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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. WASP

    @Um, yeah
    First, no Christian believes God approved of the behavior you quote from the Bible. Second, if you are an atheist, tell me why what they did was wrong, because you want it to be? Tell me what moral standard you point to in order to condemn such behavior? Your own subjective thoughts? The Bible?"
    May 18, 2012 at 8:17 am "

    1) appearently christians were ok with what adam,eve,noah and lot did because all those people are held in high regards with god along with their offspring.
    2) atheists have morality due to the fact we view things from a "would i want them to do that to me or my family" i wouldn't ever think or ever condone abusing a child in such a manner, second the offspring of such a union would be a hinderance to the community as a whole.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Yes, some atheists want to portray the image of being good, so they adopt the religious "do unto others" Golden Rule. What they won't admit in public is that there is absolutely no reason for them to hold this view, and in fact they can choose with no remorse I might add to no "do unto others" with whomever they choose. For instance, atheists certainly don't "do unto Christians". The fact is that there is no sky-daddy, FSM, or anything else to hold an athiest to the Golden Rule for everyone, just for who they happen to like or agree with.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      it really kills you that people can have morals with no religion doesnt it? you just refuse to accept it dont you?

      May 18, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • Um, yeah

      What moral code do you follow? Will you please point me to it? Then it wouldn't bother me so much that atheism is so immoral and evil.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:38 am |
    • maff

      morals without consequence? thats like saying people would drive the speed limit with no law. I drive on the roads with christians, muslims, buddist, and atheist, and I dont see too many people "doing unto others". I think that human behavior in traffic is one of the perfect examples. It is in our nature to do what is best for us. Im not saying that we have no compassion in our nature, but self comes first.
      So for atheist to think that they are the most devine beings on the planet,
      living by morals without consequence... Its rubbish. There are plenty of things you would do different right now, if you could get away with it.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:50 am |
  2. Keith

    Anyone who knows the history of the bible and believes it is the unerring word of God is an idi ot. So, I really don't care if they agree with me or not.

    If your God owns a hell where he sends people I can assure you that my God doesnt' believe in your God

    May 18, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • Um, yeah

      And anyone who doesn't believe is a fool. LOL Says so in the Bible, too, and I don't care if you agree with me either.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:11 am |
      • Keith

        Send me another referance and I might discuss such a silly belief. Proving your bible using your bible is pretty silly.

        I will see you in heaven if you are a good person, good luck

        May 18, 2012 at 9:19 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      so the book says that those that dont believe in the book are fools.
      thats almost as suprising as the people that wrote the book saying they are also the chosen race.
      lol.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:23 am |
      • Keith

        I always thought that was curious.

        May 18, 2012 at 9:34 am |
  3. mom23boys

    The fact that anyone is using the bible to support their case that gay marriage shouldn't be legal is only proving that it violates the first amendment.

    May 18, 2012 at 9:00 am |
    • prideworks

      Not one of the Ten Commandants has, "unless you're gay" attached to it.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Ben

      Amen.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:21 am |
  4. Yeah Go Do it

    Ok...Let's try THIS......Suppose Christians are wrong.....Would it hurt you to live by a moral code? Ok......Let's try THIS......Suppose Christians are CORRECT.......Think about how you would feel when you're standing before GOD and he's about to condemn you to HELL for all eternity......At that point it's a little too late to change your mind. I think there will be millions who will be in this boat...........GOD knows that his people tried to tell them......

    May 18, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • Pascal's Wager

      Can we please lay Pascal's Wager to rest? For those who do not know it is the totally irrational idea of believing in Christianity "just in case," because you have nothing to lose and everything to gain, and if you do not believe then you have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

      Here is a sampling of the many responses these comments get back:

      ME II: That's Pascal's Wager and do you really think God wants you to 'play the odds' on eternity?

      n8263: What if it turns out Islam is true? You better hope you did not pick the wrong god!

      scott: ...and I worry about YOU choosing a religion of convenience (Christianity) based on where you were born and raised. Clearly, the one true religion is Hinduism. Prove me wrong.

      Cedar Rapids: yeah, as someone said...better hope that the god you worship is the right one else you will be just as much out of luck, maybe you should worship them all to cover your bases

      sam stone: Gee, you must think that god is pretty stupid for not seeing that you are just playing the odds.

      Kevin: It is an outrage for a fellow Christian to justify their faith by essentially saying it is a safety net ... either you believe or you don't ... you are only doing yourself and everyone else a disservice by saying that you believe just in case there is a heaven you want to make sure you get in.

      n8263: What are the odds the one true religion is even around right now? Maybe it already died out, or is yet to be established. Today's major religions including Christianity have been around for less than 1% of human history. The world has seen thousands of gods come and go. You might have been born at the wrong time.

      rAmen: um, what if you're wrong and Gandalf is the real god?

      HawaiiGuest: If I am wrong, and specifically the christian bible is correct, then that god is not worthy of worship, or devotion. The god the bible paints is a vain, jealous, sadistic, and really a very inefficient god.

      Me: What you are referring to is called "Pascal's Wager" but a HUGE possibility is missed in that...what if the God/ afterlife you are worshipping/ awaiting is the wrong one? Pascal's Wager is putting all the "Eggs" in one "Basket", aka the christian god, so you are taking just as big a gamble, if not a bigger one, in believing in one of the many possibilities, instead of all or none of the

      Marcus Aurelius: Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • If horses had Gods ... their Gods would be horses

      I would also give a God(s) credit for being smarter than that. Don't you think a God(s) knows you're just playing along to hedge your bets ... God may not play dice with the universe but God is also likely not to like people playing a hand at poker with their suppossed "belief".

      May 18, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • Keith

      I have a feeling that the Christians are going to have a lot to answer for on Judgement day.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "Would it hurt you to live by a moral code?"

      why do you think non-christians dont have morals? just because they dont match the one you are told by a book you should have doesnt mean there is no moral code.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • Uruk-hai

      Of course, your God is based on fear. Great religion you got there. Believe in me or burn!

      May 18, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • C. Higby

      It really tells me the authenticity of whether a person is a "Christian:"in name only or really a believer and practiser of the faith when when someon claiming to be a Christian basicaly says that they are a Christian "just in case" they are right.it also indicates the stupidity level and laziness level of that person.... No ; YOU DO NOT joina religion :"Just in case." You study religions understand them fully and determine fo r your self if it speaks truth to you. there atre many religions thwey have good "road maps " for life that people can follow and I think some religions ar good for people that need roadmaps in life, but you can also conduct your self in a repectful manner and "do the right thing" and NOT be a Christina. I love how Christins claim the definition of :"morality." In thier opinion they are the only ones who define what morality is or is not. Christianity is the most arrogant, narcissistic, juegemental , misguided religion in America today.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:12 am |
    • Robert

      I call myself a Christian, and I DO live by a moral code ...one that doesn't discriminate, one that leaves the judging to God, and one that choses to love rather than fear.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • UncleM

      People other than Cristians do live by a moral code, just not one that is 2000 years old and based on a brutal made-up god.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • sam stone

      Your empty proxy threats are laughable

      May 18, 2012 at 9:25 am |
  5. jaybird

    RELIGION IS THE VERY EVIL IT PRETENDS TO PROTEST.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:59 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Yes, Mr. Capps, Religion is horrible, they feed the poor, take care of widows and orphans, give more to charity according to statistics than non-religious. That's just evil.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • sam stone

      And they do it all with tax free money

      May 18, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • Um, yeah

      It's horrible that the country doesn't tax all those church people on the money they donate to charity. It's great, though, that atheists and the non-religious get to keep all their money. What do you buy with all that money statistics say you keep for yourself?

      May 18, 2012 at 9:41 am |
  6. child of midian

    I love the notion that Atheist have killed more people than all wars combined since Atheist rhymes with Pacifist which is what most of us are when it comes to war. Christians OTOH often LOVE war with a passion, they take great pleasure in mass destruction and mass death.

    What Christians can't do is reconcile the gentle, loving teachings of Christ with the brimstone and fire teachings of the Old Testament. The way the bible is written God, as God, is a vindictive, jealous, petty, angry and murderous dictator in the old testament, then born as Christ in the new testament is a peace and love hippie.

    God made us all the way we are and accepts us all the way we are... right??? THEN WHY CAN"T YOU!!!

    May 18, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire

      because we're NOT God!!! Pretty simple answer to that. But since I don't believe in God, who cares.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • dispatcher911

      God does love all of us. We are his children. But just like our own children, we still love even when they do wrong.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:55 am |
  7. lowdive9

    wasn't part of the reason for leaving to the "New World" to escape religious persecution? at the very least, denial of anything to another human on the basis of religion is exactly that... persecution.

    Religious persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group of individuals as a response to their religious beliefs or affiliations or lack thereof.

    on that alone, no one in the U.S. should be denied the same rights others are allowed.

    further: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    religion should not be allowed to interfere with these rights.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Every male and female have exactly the same rights.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  8. Dave

    I am so tired about hearing the religious and/or biblical accounts for gay marriage. It isn't, and has never been about religion. It is about civil rights, equality, for the gay community. Whether you like it or not doesn't matter. Their rights as US citizens are what matter.

    The overly-offended christians need to get over themselves. Stop looking for a battle. Stop digging for a reason to proliferate your hatred. Your bible says to not judge or you will be judged. Your bible says to do to others as you would want done to you. Your bible says to render to government what is governments, and to god what is gods. Stop cherry-picking the negativity of your faith, and leave it out of the lives of those who don't share your flavor of god.

    Let me be clear: I have NO desire to change your views, nor do I wish to challenge your belief. This is not a "war" on your religion. This is merely letting you practice FREELY what you believe, while letting everyone else also practice FREELY what they believe.

    Quit trying to stifle freedom in the name of religion.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Kevin

      Great comment!

      May 18, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Let's see. If one tries to promote immorality and bring it up for a vote. Then, if one tries to find out why people are against said immorality, a discussion of religious condemnation of said immorality ensues.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Dave

      YOU consider it immoral – due to a faith-based belief system that other don't have to adhere to. Don't assume it simply is. That is nothing more than your opinion...based on religious teaching. Nobody is trying to change your mind, nor is anyone trying to force you to be immoral. It has NO effect on you directly. If you don't like gay, then don't be gay. Leave the rest of them alone. Your rights end where your views start infringing on the rights of others.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • angel

      i agree-its their life–not ours-we are not perfect–and ppl judge each other all the time for any reason -if their hair is purple, or they have too many tattoos-we need to keep our nose out of ppls business-and let God be the judge of all!!!! its between us and God-no one else!

      May 18, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • Frustratedtexan

      Exactly! Gay marriage has nothing to do with religion at all. If two people get married in a church they are still not legally married in the eyes of the state until they are licensed and wed in the eyes of the state. This is a legal/civil issue not a religious issue. The US is not a theocracy, and religious laws have no authority. Many of the same arguments were used for slavery, against women's rights, right to choose and prohibition. What is always so ludicrous about conservative religious people is what they really have the viewpoint that because "I" don't think it is right "you" can not do it either. This is more evident than ever now with gay marriage and women's reproductive issues. It really feels as if the US is actually regressing in some ways relating to civil liberties.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Dave, the question was asked why religion comes into it. You have proven my point. I believe it is immoral based on the Bible. You don't have to agree, but if you put it up to a vote before me, I will vote it as immorality. By the way, it has been condemned throughout history by both reilgious and non-religious alike, so what makes it perfectly moral today is beyond me. I guess kids these days know better than thousands of years of evolutionary morality.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:28 am |
  9. PTFREDA

    PEOPLE WAKE UP,THERE IS WAY TO MUCH HATE IN THIS WORLD,IF TO PEOPLE LOVE EACH OTHER GOOD FOR THEM NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE,GAY OR NOT THE BIBLE IS JUST A BOOK THAT OTHER PEOPLE,INTERPRET,IF GOD WANTED MAN TO BELIVE IN HIM HE WOULD OF WROTE IT HIMSELF,NOT LEVE IT TO OTHER PEOPLE TO WRITE THE WAY THEY WANTED TO BE WRTTEN

    May 18, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Wow, those caps were pretty hateful. LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • maff

      I think that the Bible is gettin alot of shine in the media lately due to this issue because the time of his return is near. Not like 2 days away, or even 2 years, but our generation perhaps. Its time for people to wake up. Alot of you say, its just a book, and say that God is mythological, but have you ever thought that maybe your wrong? maybe your making those statements to convince yourself of your "religion" or world view. After all, its all religion. No matter what you believe. Because everything you believe is based on nothing at all. Look at quantum physics. Science can only paint the picture. cant tell you where the paint brush and canvas came from though. So I'd be careful making statements about God, as if he is not listening. Because you really do not know. And any finite being that claims to know, is most clearly wrong. think about it

      May 18, 2012 at 9:30 am |
  10. jaybird

    PEOPLE KNOW THIS... for your own good and enlightenment, understand the bible as a book of both wisdom and ignorance, for that is precisely what it is! It's a testament of man's knowledge possessed thousands of years ago during a time when stoning people to death was considered acceptable as well as other barbaric hedonistic notions. It's pure ignorance to adhere to the teachings of these neanderthals!

    May 18, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • Um, yeah

      After all, everyone knows its much better and more humane to throw offenders into prison to rot for decades.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • cptpooppants

      Are you saying we shouldn't be worshiping a dead carpenter from thousands of years ago? lol

      May 18, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Dead? Oh, you haven't yet received the Good News? LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 8:59 am |
  11. vdanker

    How many critics of Helminiak's article are divorced, or have committed adultery, or have dishonored their parents? How many of those critics wear clothing of mixed fabrics? How many of those critics eat shellfish? These things are also considered abominations. Menu Christians are at it again.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Um, yeah

      You miss the point. No one is promoting adultery as something that should be acceptable to society. You promote sin, you'll get that reaction. Go ahead and start proclaiming that everyone should accept your adultery and see if you get the same reaction.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • Kevin

      Way to once again pick out adultery again and ignore the rest. You just don't get it do you! I'm going to write an article promoting Red Lobster or the blended fabrics industry and say how the Bible really doesn't say how these things are wrong. Would you have the same reaction??? I think not. Why, sin is sin afterall?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Ignore what? There are traditional and theological reasons for not worrying about the things you erroneously call sin. Where is the condemnation of mixed fabrics in the New Testament? If people would read the Bible in context it would help.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:02 am |
    • Kevin

      Then why do you always point to the old testament to condemn gays? And please, let us leave Paul on the sidelines because we all know that he had a beef with just about everyone. You don't like gays so you use your theology to discriminate against them, plain and simple

      May 18, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "Where is the condemnation of mixed fabrics in the New Testament?"

      hey when those that are anti-gay start pointing a finger, the first thing they go for is leviticus, dont blame us if we start pointing out other leviticus no-nos.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Kevin, "why do you always"? Where do I always point to the Old Testament on this subject? Where have I ever pointed to the Old Testament? Read the 1st chapter of Romans if you want to know my views.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:29 am |
  12. Mattski

    Religious figures cherry pick phrases from the bible when it suits their pusposes, and never flinch when they us it again in a completely self-contradictory way. It's really silly. I don't believe in system whereby some supreme being punishes us for how we live. I see bad things happen to good people all the time. I hear Christian leaders speak of divine retribution in cases of Katrina and AIDS, but no mention of divine retribution when bad things happen to people they don't want to attack.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:42 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Unlike atheists, many Christians know tradition and theology, which only makes it appear to atheists who know no better that cherry-picking is going on.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Yeah Go Do it

      What? Where did you try to learn how to TYPE?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Um, No

      Actually, studies have shown that atheists are more educated when it comes to theology and the Bible. But don't let the facts get in the way of your ignorance.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • subtleserpeant

      "Unlike atheists, many Christians know tradition and theology, which only makes it appear to atheists who know no better that cherry-picking is going on"

      Yes exactly, atheists like Hitler weren't steeped in tradition and knowledge of theology. Seriously that is the best that you can do? No he was not an Atheist before you even start spewing lies. Read up on your tradition and theology, add some history to it, it might just surprise you what you are unaware of.

      Religion is like any other organization, they do what they want, change things when they deem it fit. Your book was written long after Jesus and the Apostles died. Your editing staff? Pope Sylvester and Emperor Constantine headed the council of Nicaea. They even had the nerve to tamper with Flavius Josephus' first historical account from 90ad. The bible is the "Prime" example of Religion 'Cherry Picking"

      May 18, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "many Christians know tradition and theology, which only makes it appear to atheists who know no better that cherry-picking is going on."

      so when christians pick anti-gay phrases from leviticus but ignore the other condemnations from leviticus, they arent cherry picking but using their advanced knowledge? uh huh, ok then.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Um, no. Apparently the ones posting here aren't more well-versed in theology, because they're making a lot of poor mistakes.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Um, yeah

      See what I mean? Is Leviticus all that atheists know? Read the New Testament for heaven's sake, especially Romans.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:32 am |
  13. cptpooppants

    It sure is strange that God would make a mistake like making a gay person. Wait, I don't think God is capable of making mistakes. So if God doesn't make mistakes then what? Seeing as how God only teaches to love thy neighbor then it stands to think that the Bible is not only God's word, but also includes Man's word. Mankind is capable of hatred, God is not. Therefore, the parts in the Bible that preach Hatred towards others were added by mankind, not God. People of faith need to stop thinking they know better than their God. Stop the Hatred, it is the Devil's way.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:37 am |
    • pervert alert

      Qu-eer is a sin developed in life not a birth defect.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • PulTab

      Stu-pid is a trait developed in life and usually not a birth defect.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • Kevin

      Why don't you go away pervert, you think it's fun to hide behind your computer and make inflammatory statements of hate toward others. But really it just shows how immature you are and how much of a low-life you are. God is pretty clear about where people like you are going, btw.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Um, yeah

      God doesn't make mistakes. We do. A person who is born with a genetic predisposition toward violence yet acts on that predisposition is still doing the wrong thing. God and Jesus promote love, but the Bible is quite clear that they hate sin.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • cptpooppants

      Um yeah: God and Jesus don't HATE anything. Pity, maybe, not hate.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "Kevin – Why don't you go away pervert, you think it's fun to hide behind your computer and make inflammatory statements of hate toward others. But really it just shows how immature you are and how much of a low-life you are. God is pretty clear about where people like you are going, btw."

      sarcasm right? i mean making a comment about people spouting hate and then you use comments like 'pervert', 'immature', 'low-life' and then making an obvious comment about how they will burn in hell.
      too funny.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Read the Bible. It states in many places that God "hates" sin.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:33 am |
  14. bananaspy

    Why should we care what the Bible says about anything, it's just a book. If we took it literally, we'd all have to believe that we're somehow born sick, commanded to be well, and punished for not complying, because of the actions of people thousands of years ago. It's a reward/punishment system that plays off a person's most basic fears, and offers little in the way of actual hope to a reasonable person.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • maff

      Thats because you have no clue what you are, who you are, or why you are here. Your scope is too small and you call it 'reason'. It is not impossible to understand. You just dont understand, so you assume you're the one who is right, rather than the opposite, which is the only thing you truly fear.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • jaybird

      So true, so true but try getting that logic and wisdom into a dumb backwoods hick who knows nothing else but what his preacher tells him.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Let's try your concept in society. People should just be good for the sake of being good (whatever that means and whoever can actually do it), so let's get rid of all law enforcement and see what happens. Sorry, hell is necessary, if unliked.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Elizabeth

      Maybe you should try reading it. It may save your life.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:52 am |
    • jungleboo

      So, Um, you have revealed finally that "hell" is necessary, in other words, a human construct to keep people in line. Don't tell me your divine creator ab-fabbed a place called hell to erase the evidence that he had made mistakes! Oh, but it's not "his mistake", it's ours? In other words, I'm not doing what you want, so I burn in your fertile imagination? THAT is exactly what ancient tribe leaders understood when they cobbled these Buy Bull Stories together. It's all about controlling the masses. Do it in your head and do it in your church, but don't do it to America. We are better than that, and plan to keep it that way.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Jungle, yes, I believe in hell. Why? Because I know what people, including you, are like. EVERYONE is selfish (especially if you have an evolutionary view of things), and that selfishness causes them to wrong others. That's why we have jails and punishments. Do you really think we could live peacefully if there were no repercussions for bad things? There was a time when I didn't want to believe in hell. I still don't like it, but I understand that we make our own choices and that there must be consequences for our freedom to choose.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:07 am |
  15. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 18, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • diurnalremission

      How is atheism not healthy? Seems like just another way of living to me. Who are you to decide what is and isn't healthy if you believe that a dead carpenter ascended to paradise after 3 days of rotting in a tomb?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • avgthinker

      Really? What has prayer changed? Tell me one solid undisputed thing that prayer has changed? Tell me how having blind faith in a half Jewish zombie who will grant you eternal life if you telepathically submit to him and symbolically drink his blood and eat his flesh so that he can remove the sin that has been on everyone since a woman was tricked into eating magical fruit by a talking snake makes sense?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      like rain dances change the weather.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:16 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Atheism is evil. For all the talk of modern day atheists about atheism just being a lack of belief, it is hard to understand how they've formed groups based on non-belief about anything. What exactly is the glue that holds them together? Hatred of religion?

      May 18, 2012 at 9:43 am |
  16. The TRUTH

    Travolta framed as SCAPEGOAT by mormon temple again in collusion with the vatican! Scientology centers are all safehouses for gay men and are the target of LDS oppression. Please READ and wake up!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/05/17/john-travolta-accused-trying-to-grope-late-grease-co-star-jeff-conaway/?intcmp=features

    May 18, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • PulTab

      The day I read anything on fauxnews is the day I have given up on reality. Kind of like believing in the sky fairy.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:32 am |
    • sybaris

      Yeah, Foxnews.com, that's like watching a game of liars poker.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:33 am |
  17. nate the great

    2 Timothy 4:3
    Look it up.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • Uh

      Why?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • sybaris

      It is amazing how fundies think that just by quoting their book of fantasy somehow it will miraculously trump all reason and logic.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • just sayin

      All reason and logic are found in God. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • JKR79

      If I came up with a great story that I wanted everyone to believe and no one to question I would add the same comment. You have to assume that everyone beleives in the Bible in the first place for that to have any relevance on anyone other than yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Cedar Rapids

      "All reason and logic are found in God"

      they call that an oxymoron

      May 18, 2012 at 9:17 am |
  18. firebird9999

    I don't care what the bible says or doesn't say about anything. LGBT people are people first and their civil rights should be no less than anyone else's. What two consenting adults do in the privacy of their homes is no one's business but their own.

    May 18, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • common sense

      yeah i just wish theyd stop announcing who they screw

      they wanna be gay then they need to keep it in the closet where it belong

      May 18, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Um, yeah

      They have the same rights every other male and female have. They desire extra benefits.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire

      I think they would say the same thing as religious please... keep your in-saneness in the christian closet

      May 18, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • just a thought

      Civil rights are to protect pepole grups that are bourn with certin trates. Chooseing to let a man defile you digestive track is not defenibal

      May 18, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Kevin

      I wish straight guys would stop talking about their wives and girlfriends, too!

      May 18, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • JKR79

      Here's some "common sense" for ya. I hear my straight friends talk about who they are with way more than my gay friends. I think you need to get back in the bigot closet.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:43 am |
    • PulTab

      just a thought
      Civil rights are to protect pepole grups that are bourn with certin trates. Chooseing to let a man defile you digestive track is not defenibal
      ______________________________________________

      Obviously a graduate of liberty university.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Gay marriage is not a civil right.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:53 am |
    • jungleboo

      Dear common sense: Like walking down the aisle in fancy dress is NOT announcing who you are screwing? Ludicrous post. We want our civil rights, which has nothing to do with the screwing part.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • Primewonk

      @ Um Yeah – They do not have the same rights as straight people. In some states they can be fired or lose their job, just because they are gay. They do not have the right to marry in most states. And please don't spew the typical bullshît that they can marry a person of the opposite sèx. Having ignorant hômophobic fundiots say this, must make your god so pleased. The want no special rights or benefits.

      just a thought wrote, "Civil rights are to protect pepole grups that are bourn with certin trates." You have a civil right to be protected from discrimination in your religion. Your religious preference is a choice. You were not born a fundamentalist or a catholic or a muslim or a jew. And by the way, gays are born gay.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • jungleboo

      Um, the federal and state issues involving marriage and partner rights are Civil Rights. Hide from the issue much? Come out of the closet and breath some fresh air. Logic, civil rights, and liberty and justice for all is the last word. Buy Bull not on the radar screen in this discussion. And please don't dwell on what will happen to me at my last judgement. My last judgement as a human being will (I hope) be, "Gee, the world is so beautiful. Gosh, this was fun. Wow, what a trip!" Sound druggy? No. It's why I was born into this world, and i have enjoyed every minute, with my friends and with my family.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:05 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Every male and female have the same rights. Gay activists want extra benefits.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • Primewonk

      Um, yeah wrote, "Gay marriage is not a civil right."

      Mr. Chief Justice Warren, writing for the unanamous decision in Loving v. Virginia said, "Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man,"

      They didn't say straight marriage, or gay marriage, or interracial marriage, or intraracial marriage, or mixed handedness marriage, or Catholic-Jewish marriage, or atheist marriage.

      All they said was marriage is a fundamental civil right.

      May 18, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Are you reading? Every male and female have exactly the same rights. Every male may marry a female, and every female may marry a male. Equal rights for both s.e.x.e.s. Is there a third s.e.x. of which I am unaware?

      May 18, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • just a thought

      Civil rights are to protect people groups that are born with certain traits. Choosing to let a man defile your digestive track is not defensible

      May 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  19. Gordon Ackerman

    Don't overlook the Biblical injunction, "If thou be Catholic thou shalt offer cute choir boys cookies and take them in the bushes."

    May 18, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Oh, good one. How long did it take you to come up with that?

      May 18, 2012 at 8:30 am |
    • PulTab

      LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 8:36 am |
  20. KIP

    RELIGION HAS BEEN AT THE HEART OF EVERY SINGLE WAR THAT HAS EVER TAKEN PLACE

    HITLER IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST EXAMPLES AS HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL DEAD IN WORLDWAR 2 AT AROUND 50 MILLION BECAUSE HE WAS A CATHOLIC! RELIGION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MORE DEATHS THAN ANY NATURAL CAUSE COMBINED!!!RELIGION IS THE CAUSE OF ALL AND EACH AND EVERY SINGLE WAR AND BATTLE AS HISTORY HAS PROVED!!!!! THE BIBLE SECRETLY COMMANDS MEN TO COMMIT TO HOMOSEX AND CHRISTARDS ALWAYS SAY THE OPPOSITE THEY DON'T READ THERE BIBLES!! THE BIBLE IS THE SAME AS MUSLIM FAITH!!!

    May 18, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • political analist

      We learn from your post that history is not your strong point.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • Um, yeah

      Brother! First, Hitler was an atheist who used God (only when convenient, kind of like Obama) to pull people into line behind him. Second, atheist regimes who forced atheism on their people have killed more people than all of histories' wars combined. In fact, atheism is utterly evil, because there is no all-knowing judge to hold anyone to any moral standard. For the atheist, there is no behavior to "feel bad" about, because there is no "sky daddy" or famed FSM that is going to punish them for not sticking to some moral code (which is obviously non-existent because the FSM didn't see fit to leave any moral codes behind). No one wants your atheism.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • PulTab

      Not all KIP, but many.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • JKR79

      KIP, you would have a very strong argument if you made sure all your facts were correct. Without that your only discrediting yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 8:46 am |
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