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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. DrBoB

    So Christians can't agree on what the bible means? Who cares. The bible has no place in politics. To use it do justify bigotry and hatred is disgusting. I don't understand why the bible is EVER brought up when we discuss equal rights. Are Christians so narcissistic that everyone must do what they believe regardless of what anyone else believes?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Mike McVay

      AGREE!! I guess so many forget one of our main rights as Americans (From the founding fathers) FREEDOM OF RELIGION. They think there religion is the only one and we must all resort to these suppressive attacks. All I have to say is LOVE LOVE LOVE. Regardless of the religion. Love will change you!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Rob

      Before the 1800's goverement was not involved in marraige. Seperation of church and state. Let get it back to the way it was before the goverment got involved. The government would have to recoginze civil unions (preferably between to unrelated adults) for benifits. They there would have to be laws for disolving civil unions-similar to divorce. Leave marriage to the church.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  2. DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire

    It ceases to amaze me with all this gibberish going on this past week over the gay issue that these so called † Christians† seem to want to focus on, like it's the last hope of salvation to the holy land if this passes the law books, that the continent that has the MOST practicing † Christians†, the one continent that lives like it's still in the stone age also has the highest HIV and AIDS is Africa.

    Why do you think that? Why do you think that pretty much a whole continent is behind the modern times, poor, lacking basic necessities in life continue to struggle with starvation and diseases? SIMPLE ANSWER....because they are brought up (I would say more brainwashed..but) to believe in a deity and a book will bring them the riches in heaven and here on Earth they are to just do "His" barbaric teachings to prove they are worthy of God and heaven. They do kill if you are Gay, they do rape women and marry them, and you can say they do keep true to the Bible than Americans and other † Christian† countries. But would you want to live there??? They are the majority.

    It's plan insanity. and anyone who has truly found out the truth realizes that putting your "Faith" into a religion and believing that a God will bring you everything in Heaven misinforms people to know and seek the truth outside their walls. People die every day because they are ignorant to getting the proper information and education to properly live. And their religious organizations just continue the tradition of keeping the blinders on because if their practitioners realized the truth, then they would be truly enlightened and stop praying for their miracles and start seeking modern medicine and education.

    This is no real difference here in North America. We are filled with so many opportunities to show we are a great place with so much to look forward to but religion STILL keeps people ignorant to what truly is the real truth. That what you practice "hurts" people. Believe in your God, read your book and have your ignorance if you choose to have it, but realize that others found THEIR own path, THEIR own beliefs and THEIR own salvation. Some people CHOOSE not to be like AFRICA.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Mike McVay

      Ok....I agree. But you should lay off the coffee today...LOL

      May 18, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • SueRH

      I think I agree with you, but I really can't tell. What is all of that gibberish mixed in to your post??

      May 18, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  3. Roary

    I'm confused. If gay people aren't allowed to get married because marriage is "sacred". Then why are atheist and agnostic people allowed to get married?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Good point! Think of all the married atheists creating babies.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • myweightinwords

      Not to mention Muslims and Pagans and Buddhists and Hindus....I mean really, where are the laws preventing THAT if marriage is such a sacred Christian inst.itution?

      May 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • rcc7vcc

      Because that has nothing to do with their being STRAIGHT.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Mike McVay

      Great Post!! Totally agree. Muslim also and most Christians think Muslims are evil and non-christian

      May 18, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  4. Peteyroo

    How does God decide which prayers to answer and which prayers to ignore?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • SAS6907

      He answers them all....we need to learn to listen.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Peteyroo

      SAS6907

      He answers them all....we need to learn to listen.

      Really? Did no one pray for the chiuldren of the Holocaust?

      May 18, 2012 at 10:25 am |
    • ImgonnaClapMyHands

      I'm pretty sure people prayed for the children of Holocaust, if they knew what was going on, but God is never of the world, and we cannot think that God does things by which we think is justice. In fact, justice may be completely different to God than what we think. Think about the many families who have had their children mauled by a criminal but still forgave the criminal because they thought it was justice. However, if it was other family, their justice must have been to put that criminal in the jail under a life sentence. You may have chosen the latter because it is what you think is justice. However, we can never be positive for certain that God thinks the latter choice is justice. Oh, and also, in the Bible, it states that the Jews were willing to take the blood of the guilt on their hands when Jesus was being crucified: Matthew 27: 25 says, "Let his blood be on us and on our children!" God gave them that, and so the children suffered as well.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Rob

      Becuase of mankinds fall and freewill. If all ciminals were stopped by God, then there would be no such thing as freewill.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:15 pm |
  5. Ugh

    Religious zelots are just like Star Trek fans. You all get dressed up to hang out at conventions and celebrate a fictional story. The best thing about the Trekkies, at least they know when to turn it off, they don't let a fictional story control their minds and choose their lives for them with herd mentality.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • Mike McVay

      Love your post! Very True!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • BRC

      @Ugh,
      Unfortunately, some trekkies don't know when to turn it off. BUT, unlike the really devoted christians, they generally don't breed.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  6. notatall

    Why are we spending so much energy on the "sins" of gays and so silent on the "sins" of the corporate world? The greed in amassing a fortune and hurting and cheating and lying to others is no less sinful than two men lying together. When Christians start fighting this,as vocally, I will know they are true.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  7. SAS6907

    When I was a child and did something wrong, I was punished for it immediately. I didn't do it again.
    When I wasn't caught doing something wrong and the longer I got away with it, it became apart of me.
    I thank God everyday for His grace, and showing me through His Holy Spirit, what doing things that hurt
    me or others really does to the heart and mind. I listened and repented and wept and was healed, from
    the inside out. Thank you Father for Jesus, my healer, redeemer, Lord my God, and friend.
    Amen

    May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Peteyroo

      Does your mommy know you're playing with the computer?

      May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Yow

      Elwood P. Dowd had an invisible friend too, a 6 ft. tall pooka rabbit he called Harvey.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • Mike McVay

      O-Boy....Same with me but it was my Mom that thought me how to life a good life, love people and respect all no matter what. Not Jesus

      May 18, 2012 at 10:35 am |
  8. digitalclips

    Who cares? Why not ask what Peter Pan or The Hobbit think. What have works of fiction got to do with this subject?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  9. Mike McVay

    Come on people. Wars are because of Religion alone. If we take the Bible literal we would burn gays at the stake, women would be repressed and have to worship men and we should kill anyone that goes against our religion. Not the same God that created me !!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • SueRH

      Amen!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • Rob

      Yeah, they have nothing to do with that thing called Oil!

      May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  10. Thank God

    May 18, 2012 at 10:18 am |
    • God

      You're welcome.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  11. olga79

    No matter what the argument is...let the one without sin cast the first stone.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Zack

      Stop it your sounding like Jesus.... and obviously all the other things in the Bible are way more important than what GOD himself said... You must not be a Christian!! 😉

      May 18, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • A Servant

      To Olga79 – The bible is very clear that righteous judgement (according to God's word) is mandated to expose what is contrary to His word. This is evident by the 40 authors of the 66 books of the bible calling on repentence as well as proclamation of judgement to those who mock His word. Ask for understanding of scripture (through sincere prayer) and the mind of Christ will be given. Blessings

      May 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
  12. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    May 18, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • DrJStrangepork

      If we could only covert squirrels to Christianity instead of worshiping their pagan squirrel gods.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • jeff

      give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to pray for fish, watch him starve while the fish swim.
      If prayer worked, explain the suffering in the world? Prayer only makes you feel better about about yourself while you do nothing to help those who need help. If you want to stop the suffering, make a donation, go to the needy yourself, do something. kneeling at your bedpost wont change anything but yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Mike McVay

      Wrong. All should look at all religions and non-religions. Keeping a closed mind to one thing will not allow you to learn from all what our creator has intended for us here on earth. Borden you horizons and make your own choices. Don't close your mind to things you have not tried.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • just sayin

      Squirrels like all of creation already know and obey God. Only man is given the choice. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • just sayin

      @jeff
      and when they cast the net they had more fish than they could pull in. God Bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • just sayin

      @jeff
      and Jesus was on the beach with a fire and fish cooking on it. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • just sayin

      @jeff
      and from loaves and two small fish Jesus fed 4000 and they were all satisfied, later the disciples gather 12 baskets full of leftovers. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      I prayed to God, but He keeps touching his private parts and watching me. Proven.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:32 am |
    • just sayin

      @jeff
      and Jesus blessed the fish and fed 5000 seated in companies not counting women and children. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • just sayin

      What the fool who stole Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things fails to recognize it that it must first declare Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things, before it posts its stupidity. God bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Rob

      jeff

      give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime. Teach a man to pray for fish, watch him starve while the fish swim. " teach him to listen for God's answer and he will never go hungry.
      There is suffering becasue of the curse of the garden and free will. If God were to stop all murders, then he would stop the free will of murders.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  13. Jenn

    I find it amazing that people get use words like "fact" when speaking of "The Bible" passages/stories. Did I miss a video recording of the actual events that was used to write the passage or interrupt this passage?The Bible was written by MEN (who are flawed and rarely impartial/bias), not by an all knowing god or even Jesus using his direct words. They are stories that were passed down for 500 years before the Bible was written (and voted on by a group of men). Language changes over years, the definition of the words change over time, based on societies usage.You add in several different languages and translations between cultures and foreign languages and I'm sure nothing is exactly or even close as to what happened or what was said. It's very plausible that the meaning was misinterpreted over the years. The stories were camp stories/bed time stories parents told there children, I'm sure in that time period there were hundreds of versions. They choose 1 version of each story to put in the Bible and some stories (lots of stories) never made it into the Bible. People believe so much in the "words of the bible" that they take it as fact and/or a direct quote". Whether you agree or disagree with the gay lifestyle, don't use the "word of the bible" as you're reason to condemn another man or woman.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • Deborah Torres

      Written by men yes, but inspired by the Holyghost given by God to us to lead us to rightousness. God Bless

      May 18, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • Madtown

      Exactly Jenn. Hardly the "word of God". More accurately the "word of man – about his interpretation of God".

      May 18, 2012 at 10:20 am |
    • allcreatedequal1

      awesome post Jenn.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • Madtown

      , but inspired by the Holyghost
      -----
      Of course, but so said the people who wrote the word!!! I'm sure if you wrote the word, you'd like your word to be widely accepted as well. What better way to accomplish this, than to say your word is divinely inspired.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • BoldGeorge

      "I find it amazing that people get use words like "fact" when speaking of "The Bible""

      I find it amazing how mostly everyone has been duped into receiving the evolutionary as fact as well, being that most of it, if not all of it, has not been proven to be true. Don't let the media, the school system (mainly ours) and popular belief fool you into thinking that every single scientist claims that the evolutionary theory is a fact. Scientists who don't agree with evolution or at least admit that there is no concrete evidence to back it up, generally get overshadowed (in layman's terms–shutout) by science organizations that dominate the scientific community. And it's been known that new, fresh out-of-school scientists approach the evolutionary topic with their minds already made up. They build their knowledge and form their conclusions with the already presupposed 'common belief', which really means "popular demand".

      May 18, 2012 at 10:29 am |
    • Jeff

      Very well said Jenn. I recently finished reading the old testament for myself. In my opinion the old testament is very unsuitable for children (and metally chanllenged adults). It boggles the mind to think anyone would think anything in our society should be based on that collection of books. I think the world would be a better place if all the bible thumpers would actually read the books, instead of listening to preachers, ministers, priests, etc..
      "God save me from your followers!"

      May 18, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • A Servant

      Jenn – All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work" 2 Timothy 3: 16-17

      The bible was written over a 3500 year period by over 40 authors and is the only book where 1/3 is prophetic – Most already having come to pass. Blessings

      May 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Jenn

      Bold_ The scientific theory of evolution explains the causes of evolution, as distinct from the more straightforward factual claim that the process of evolution occurs. A true scientist will never use the word fact when speaking of this, they use "working theory" Scientists do not construct facts, but make observations about things that refer to or represent the facts through theory. Scientists do not accept facts as absolute truth and in some cases even observations have been defined "as low-level hypotheses that exist only as interpretations of the facts of nature in light of present theories, not as the facts of nature themselves. Yes, media tends to misuse and overstate everything and I ignore most of it as anyone will common sense.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:37 am |
    • Madtown

      A Servant
      Jenn – All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,
      ------–
      Yes, this is what the human authors that wrote the word suggested. But, how do you know this to be true? I mean, tons of really bad things are done under the supposed inspiration of God. Planes fly into buildings under the supposed inspiration of God(I know...not YOUR God). But still, how can you say that the bible is the inspired word of God, when the people telling you this are the authors themselves? Use your brain.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Jenn

      Jeff- I agree. The Bible (if that is what one wants to follow in the religion of their choice) should be read from cover to cover and follow the spirit of it as it was meant to be. I don't believe this was a "manual". The 1st testament was very harsh. It was a very strict and unforgiving god. The new testament, he is nice and forgiving. It's all a matter of what was going on during that time period. I understand the need of religion, but it was always used to control the masses (and I think it's necessary). However people today, don't read it they blindly follow the interrupters (Priest, preachers, etc) instead of following their own heart and spirit of the book. Let's be real, the Roman Catholic Church was one of the most criminal organizations in the world for centuries and they had power to twist and turn the "word of the bible" into whatever they wanted. Was the original intention good (aren't most), but people (man) have free will and enjoy power and that is the biggest problem. Believe in your god, trust in your god, follow your god that is in your heart.. but by all that is mighty..don't believe that a "written word" by men is 100% truth and use it to justify hating/condemning of others.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:55 am |
    • Chi

      I completely agree. Even if there was truth to the words 500 years ago, it did change through misinterpretation and how someone else saw the stories. Regardless of if they were truth or fiction. Things were left out, and I'm sure other things were added to exaggerate the greatness of it. We can categorize fiction and non-fiction now, maybe back then there was no such thing. And even if the entire thing is 100% real, the only FACT is that 500 years later things have changed. People are more accepting to different things, at least people who don't go to church are. Before, maybe people really feared god, and really did want to be better people so that they can get to heaven. But it doesn't work that way anymore. We have murderers on death row who have gone to church every sunday, and murdered their family because god told them to. Yes, they are unstable, maybe mentally ill... but they learned it at some point.

      I have to say that until I was 15 or 16, I went to church, every sunday with my family. That's when i really started to listen to it, pay attention to it, and being a person who has a very vast knowledge of common sense, I found it absurd.
      I think the last time I went was just disturbing... The priest talked for 45 minutes about a 'lesson' from the bible about giving to the poor, about giving even when you yourself don't have much, to help the ones who really need help. Good lesson. Started to talk about how many bills the church needs help with. Ok... still in the ok area... THEN he goes to mention that they're raising money so that a few of the priests can go to Italy this summer, and it's thousands of dollars per person for the 5 day trip.... Yes... well I've never been to Italy, but you don't see me going around w a bowl to have people pay for my trip... I have what's called a job, and I do what's called being responsible and don't use a 'higher power' to guilt people into giving money and then taking it for a damn trip.

      It disgusted me and honestly I haven't gone back since. Anyone with a half decent mind can see that all church is, is control over a crowd of people who chose to still believe in it. We have 'miracles' that come and go because it's something we can't explain. And they're getting rarer because we can explain it... And Christianity is freaking out because they're losing control. Banning certain things is just a last resort and desperate attempt at control.

      If gay marriages is such a bad thing, then why don't we ban lobster dinners too? I mean there's things in the bible about eating any fish without scales being a sin. But I can bet you those rich and overpowered religious freaks eat a lobster dinner every other week. Gay marriages are rarer than lobster thou, so I'm sure it's a matter of just picking on the minority of the things that the bible has issues with.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Jenn

      Jeff_ * interpreters.. not interrupters. (Fraudian slip lol)

      May 18, 2012 at 10:59 am |
    • Rob

      So Chi, you base all churches, christians, and religion on your experaince at one (assuming Catholic) church. Yet, you want us to listen as if you were enlightened and the voice of reason. Seems a little short sited, don't you think?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  14. BuschCheiney

    Non-christians are just watching and enjoying the debate among confused so-called christians trying to twist facts to suit their views. Ha! Ha! Ha!!! Modern-day so-called christians have been good at twisting facts, now they cannot even be bold and honest enough to revert to the true teaching of their religion. What a global clossal JOKE?

    May 18, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • pervert alert

      Fact :qu-eers gave AIDS to the world.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:14 am |
  15. pervert alert

    The three best locations for ho mo se xuals
    1. In the grave, preferably before they have infected anyone
    2. in a maximum security prison, preferably in solitary confinement for life so as not to corrupt honest criminals
    3. in a hospital for the criminally insane, preferably restrained and gagged and in solitary confinement

    May 18, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • DrJStrangepork

      I feel the same way about reality tv celebrities.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • Mike McVay

      So Sad! I guess you follow the bible teachings also. What is your life like? Hummmm. Love will make you happy and you will be a better person. So sad for you

      May 18, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • Tom

      I feel the same way about conservatives.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • U Tool

      I have you m om here. She is saying the same 3 things about you!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:52 am |
  16. women

    And yes, the Bible was written by men. Does God really hate women so much? If so, we are truly sinful in allowing them to be more than mere slaves as most were in the OT. A "Word" without a woman's sanction is not the whole truth.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • RFBJR

      Genisis 6:16 – To the woman he (God) said,

      “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
      with painful labor you will give birth to children.
      Your desire will be for your husband,
      and he will rule over you."

      Do you think this curse has come to pass? It was the result of Eve's sin.

      I'm just sayin'.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • William

      When it says that the Bible was writtne by Man, be cuatious to observe that Mankind is the driving force, not man himself! God used women just as much as men to bring his word and works throughout the world. A Man wrote pages based off the influence and guidance of God, but i am more than certain that women played there part!

      May 18, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • RFBJR

      My bad, typo...it's 3:16

      May 18, 2012 at 10:24 am |
  17. DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire

    May 18, 2012 at 10:10 am |
  18. Mary

    How about women's place and the bible. Bible vs. slavery.....

    May 18, 2012 at 10:10 am |
  19. Dentson

    The ECONOMY people, let's keep our focus on the ECONOMY.... sheeez!

    May 18, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • DrJStrangepork

      Gay Marriage is about the Economy. Somebody somewhere said something about Gay Marriage causes the Economy to collapse because of the gay polarity or whatever. It's science.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:13 am |
    • jeff

      Economies do better with more marriages. in fact, increased marriage rates can contribute to economic boom because of shared income (and a lot of other factors). Gay marriage would see, in theory, a 3% rise in marriages in a very short amount of time, which could translate very well for our economy.
      So yes, it's the economy stupid.

      May 18, 2012 at 10:26 am |
  20. FollowerofChrist

    Tossing around the bible and judging everyone for what they do or dont do is never our place to say.

    May 18, 2012 at 10:08 am |
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