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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

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  1. needNewGov

    If I was going to err on one side or other on this debate, I believe that God loves us all and that two consenting adults who love each other and want to get married is better than hating on people. God wants love to live in this world not hate. I doubt God will condemn anyone who wants to live in a loving relationship.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • JM

      Jesus wasn't critical of anyone except for the self-righteous religouis hypocrites who judged everyone but themselves.

      He talked about the kingdom of God, not his plans for the kingdom of America.

      Personally, I'm looking forward to heaven....peace and quiet, beauty and love...no more arguing and hate! (Call me crazy.)

      May 18, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I personally don't really care what "god" you wanna worship. You can worship Zeus for all I care, but when people actually start believing that their belief is reason to impose demented idiotic laws that are based on fairy tales and ignorance, THEN I have a big problem with your belief in your "god".

      May 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      JM, judging from how Christians behave, discriminate against other human beings and hate others for idiotic reasons. . .the Christian "heaven" would resemble more of a hell by anyone's standards if all of these "Christians" ended up there. Yikes. And to think that all those hateful bigoted people would have to spend all eternity with each other. . .sounds like the worst possible punishment ever conceived against any human being.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Magic

      JM, "Personally, I'm looking forward to heaven....peace and quiet, beauty and love...no more arguing and hate! "

      Fantasies are pleasurable.

      You are welcome to have yours, as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights and happiness of others.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  2. smk

    In Quran God speaks to the whole humanity ....

    “Proclaim, He is the One and only GOD. The Absolute GOD. Never did He beget. Nor was He begotten. None equals Him." [112:1]

    “They even attribute to Him sons and daughters, without any knowledge. Be He glorified. He is the Most High, far above their claims.” Quran [6:100]

    “The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” Quran [3:59]

    “No soul can carry the sins of another soul. If a soul that is loaded with sins implores another to bear part of its load, no other soul can carry any part of it, even if they were related. ... [35:18]

    It does not befit God that He begets a son, be He glorified. To have anything done, He simply says to it, "Be," and it is. [19:35]

    God will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside God?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.[5:116]

    The Messiah, son of Mary is no more than a messenger like the messengers before him, and his mother was a saint. Both of them used to eat the food. Note how we explain the revelations for them, and note how they still deviate! [5:75]

    Thanks for taking time to read my post. Please take a moment to clear your misconception by going to whyIslam org website.

    When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me, in order to be guided. Quran [2:186]

    May 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • sweebach

      yes, I do not believe Jesus wanted himself to be propped up as the idol he has become in Christianity.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Howdy

      A very nice post. I enjoyed reading that. Thanks.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • me

      The only problem is that the Koran came over 500 years after the new Testament books were writen by first hand witnesses and thousands of years AFTER the books of the OLD testament were writen (Including Isaiah that talks and predicted the comming and sufferings of Messaiah in great details – ~700 years before Jesus came )....

      Koran sounds "religious" (in some parts) but far from the reality of things concerning Jesus Christ the Messiah. Jesus said the "I AM" before Abraham was. (only one time this "I AM" was reference by God who sent Moses back to Egipt). Jesus – the Word incarnated, who was with God and is GOD and everything that was made was made by him and through HIM. (John 1). This sounds to me like John is refering to Jesus as He is God. (But, indeed he was a man and a servant and a profet and a good teacher etc...)

      Obviously, since Mahomad could not read on his own, he heard something about Jesus' story from other people – while sitting around the bedouin fire ) and formed his own story (full of errors by comparison). Mohamad's uninformed version of the story got into the Koran and now considered by many muslims – the ultimate truth.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  3. Dan Ari

    Jesus preached a loving God, not the vengeful Old Testament God.

    But supposed "Christians" choose hate. That was not what Jesus preached.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • me

      He also preach hell. He is the Way the Truth and the Life no one comes to the Father only by Him. (Jesus said) "Go and sin no more" and Jesus said " For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?
      He was kind of narrow minded, I guess and excuded the other combinations and permutatins and mutations/mutilations

      May 18, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  4. edmundburkeson

    The responses are more interesting than the article. Avoidance! Denial! Why do gays hate the Bible?

    May 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Vaughn

      It has been used to bash them up side the head one too many times? It is the roadblock to their peaceful existence? It was written by the same type of men who would today use it as a tool to withhold inalienable rights? Let me count the ways.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Primewonk

      You wrote, "Why do gays hate the Bible?"

      Possibly because your sick, twisted, psychotic, schizophrenic, putz, of god commands you followers go and kill gay folks?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Why do gays hate the Bible?"

      LMAO – that's why there are 1000's of gay churches and gay clergy. LOL! Your prejudice is showing. LOL!

      May 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  5. Jonboy

    The bible also said that we should kill our neighbors if they worked on Sunday, how to properly beat our slaves, that we could sell our daughters and how to burn an bull in our yards to make a proper sacrifice for the Lord. And God forbid (literally) we should stand anywhere near a women who is menstruating. Funny how conservatives don't go out of their way to defend any of these ridiculous practices and argue that "times have changed," However they love the Old Testament when it comes to letting them continue to hate a small group of people.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
  6. Lilith

    Sometimes I eat tacos twice in the same day, what does the Bible say about that? Is it biblically sound to do so? Dang, I should consult the Bible before I do that, otherwise how would I know what to do?!

    May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Teddy

      You should do like the Muslims and consult the religious text every time you go to the potty. It instructs you on which hand to use.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Primewonk

      As long as you don't put sour cream or cheese on your tacos you should be fine. We all know that eating meat and dairy together will send you to hell just as fast as being gay.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  7. Heinz Doofenshmirtz

    Having faith in the bible requires suspension of reason.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Dan W

      Reason leads to faith and faith leads to knowing G-d and having a personal relationship with 'Him'. Science can prove religion if it so chooses.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • JM

      You should listen to Ravi Zacharias. He discusses faith v. reason.

      http://www.rzim.org/resources.aspx

      May 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Mark from Middle River

      ....hey, where's Perry?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Elaine

      It requires you to be megalomaniacal, elitist, and a finger pointer.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz

      @ Mark...Doobie doobie doo wah Perry

      May 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz

      And arguing with someone with no reason is a waste.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      @Dan W – "Science can prove religion if it so chooses."

      It hasn't been able to prove a single metaphysical thing about religion in hundreds of years. Saying otherwise is simply retarded.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " Science can prove religion if it so chooses."

      In science we don't prove things, we explain things. Proofs are foor maths and ethanol.

      Additionally, science only deals with the natural realm. Science ignores the supernatural realm because once you claim that "goddidit" and "poof, then another miracle occurs", are valid answers, the issue is no longer falsifiable. And if it isn't falsifiable, it isn't science.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
  8. Dan W

    Love thy neighbor as thy self does not equal; hate thy neighbor and chase them to the ends of the earth.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
  9. Dragon68

    The essense of Jesus teachings was not to judge others, but to be concerned with how you treat others. Jesus embraced those who the conventional religious authorities at the time shunned and condemned. The bible is not a gauge by which to determine the riteousness of others. It is supposed to be a guide for how we lead our own lives.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Howdy

      Biblethumpers are today's Pharisees. Try getting them to see that.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz

      Also well said and if all of his followers felt that way we would live in a much better world.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      "Jesus" is just a rehashed "god" that a number other cultures worshiped many many centuries before. Look it up.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  10. Heinz Doofenshmirtz

    It doesn't matter what the bible says. It's a book written by men.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Dan W

      That's because it was written for men who need to be corrected for our original sin of facing evil when G-d told us not to look. Eve and woman were created to help correct men and our evil inclination.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Howdy

      I'm intrigued by this point of view–are you saying because men do not matter, a book written by men doesn't matter? If a book is meaningless because it is written by men, then what matters?

      May 18, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      LET's Religiosity Law #1 – If you use words and phrases like: "it was written for men who need to be corrected for our original sin of facing evil when G-d told us not to look. Eve and woman were created to help correct men and our evil inclination."

      Then you are definitely mentally retarded.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Dan W

      Look into Kabbalah, it tells a much different story of creation and original sin.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • jeanine

      Yes the bible was written by men over a 1600 year period but not one of them claimed to be the author. The bible does matter, it's gods word.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      "Original Sin" was dreamed up by evil men in their efforts to make their "god" look like a good god. Why would any good "god" make human-kind and place them in this existence we live in where death and suffering occur? They tried to say that "god" would not do this without reason. Of course, this was written down before anyone knew of Evolution or that the planet was billions of yrs old. . .so they had no idea that death and suffering are just a part of the life cycle of all living animals including humans. You will also find the "created in 6 days" crap holds no water when you consider that other planets have different amounts of days in their years. . . .unless of course you choose to believe that this unimaginably enormous universe was all created because of the 6 days of the current calendars we use. It's all so dumb that I can't believe people in the 21st century still believe any of it.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      "The bible does matter, it's gods word." I'm sure Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc, etc, totally agree with you.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Get Real

      jeanine,
      "Yes the bible was written by men over a 1600 year period but not one of them claimed to be the author. The bible does matter, it's gods word."

      No human author is given or claimed for all of the Egyptian "god" stories... the Hindu ones... the Greek & Roman ones. That must mean that they are true, eh? Leprechaun tales have uncredited authorship too.

      There is no verified evidence that the Bible was supernaturally authored.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  11. Norm

    I find it amusing when people say Helminiak is "twisting" the Bible interpretation to fit his agenda.
    That's exactly what the opposite side does too.
    The point being....the Bible was written by man...not God.
    And then it was translated by men with an agenda.
    People that live by the word of the Bible...do not in any sense live by the word of God.
    They live by the word of men that used the fear of eternal damnation to control other men.
    Put your Bibles away and listen to your hearts.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Heinz Doofenshmirtz

      Well said

      May 18, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Madtown

      If this were Facebook, I'd "like" your post.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • Howdy

      Exactly right–either live "by the Bible" like the Pharisees or live like Christ taught, from the heart.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • needNewGov

      Very true and very sad.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
  12. Religion is for sheep

    And Moab, he lay us upon the band of the Canaanites, and yea, though the Hindus speak of karma, I implore you: give US a break.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  13. Alexis

    I absolutely despise when when people proclaim Christianity as king in this country. Last time I checked, we did not have a state religion. Stay out of other people's relationships.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • JM

      "there is nothing new under the sun" (Ecclesiastes)

      Jesus condemns anger, judgmentalism, unforgiveness. If we were to really apply His teachings to the nation, we would have to outlaw this as well. He equated anger with murder.

      He didn't come and overthrow governments. He told the people who were listening/following Him to go tell people all over the world that God loved them and to proclaim the "kingdom of God".

      May 18, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Howdy

      How did you check this? Is there actually a list?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      JM, so when your mythical "Jesus" was overturning the moneychanger tables at the Temple. . .he did it because he was happy? Hmmmmm. . . .what kind of emotion would be required to go through a crowd and start upturning every table you see? Joy? Happiness? According to what Jesus taught, Jesus was guilty of murder since his anger is equal to murder. . . according to "Jesus".

      May 18, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • JM

      There is anger that comes from hate and righteous anger.

      If someone is beating a kid, that's righteous anger (to step in and save the kid).

      If God is holy, Jesus was angry that the religious were using his dad's temple for their own gain.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:10 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      JM, Jesus is a recycled "god" that was created by other cultures long before the Jesus "god" was created in the minds of men. Even the guys that wrote the NT took several decades to write anything down. . .and some of them never even met the myth in person. Jeeze people, move on, your silly myths and faith in myths is making the human race look bad.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  14. Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

    This quote from Epicurus says it all: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

    May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Duh. . .the Greeks figured it out 2000+ yrs ago and were able to figure out that all things are composed of tinier things. . .then came the greedy Christian political leaders setting back humanity's intelligence a couple thousand years.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  15. palintwit

    I just finished reading "Not Afraid of Life" by Bristol Palin for about the sixth time. It is thoughtfully written, relevant and riveting all at the same time. Once you pick it up you won't want to put it down. And such a bright young woman! We can all learn from her. (I bought 10 copies and passed them out to friends).

    P.S. Keep up the good work Bristol !! We all hope to see you in the house or the senate someday !!

    May 18, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  16. Robrob

    Who cares what a book of fairy tales can be interpreted to say?

    May 18, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Edith

      Every time I turn around, another Christian is having his mistress exposed in the media.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Godfearing

      Hope you believe in Hell because that where you are going with that comment.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      If hell exists... i'm sure it's packed to the brim with christians

      May 18, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • Ben

      You might find it interesting that there is quite a lot of historical validity to the Bible and its events. I'm not sure who told you it was a book of fairy tales. Have you ever READ the book you so ardently denounce?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ Ben – many works of fiction contain historically correct facts. That doesn't mean they are real. For instance, in Stephen King's epic "The Stand", Trashcan Man walks on Interstate 80 in Des Moines and sets fire to a gasoline storage tank farm. I've been on I-80 in Des Moines many times. There are tank farms. They haven't burned down.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  17. B.Russell

    Ok, here it is friends. No one will be able to convince any of you who's right or wrong. In the end, God will sort it all out. If there is no God as some have claimed then there will be no issues. Your'e dead and thats it. If there is a God then those who don't believe will perish. Simple, cut and dry. So do what you wish, sin if you want, in the end we will all see what may or may not be. Have a nice day!

    May 18, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Lilith

      All Christians already sin, but I'm sure they appreciate the go ahead. Have great day!
      BTW, why do you state "God will sort it out" as though it's a fact?

      May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • B.Russell

      it's my own belief. However, I will not attempt to compel anyone to see things as I do.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • J.W

      Dont worry no matter how nice you say things on here someone will get upset.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Ah, But B.Russell, what if the real god is a completely different god than you have chosen to worship? Then you are as screwed as the folks you now dàmn to hell.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  18. NEOhio

    Every knee shall bow. Choose to bow now or be compelled to bow later- I choose to bow now.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      coward

      May 18, 2012 at 11:51 am |
    • Norm

      Just be sure you bow to the Lord and not to the agenda of other men.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:55 am |
    • Anotherview

      Bow? How about you doing some bow-wowing? It's people like you that have been so brainwashed that your jeans are ultra clean.

      If you really believe in your man made god, how about getting it to move Mt. Everest to the US? We'll get the iced tea and popcorn for the show.

      However, I'm sure the party will be long gone before your man made god will ever do anything at all.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • BRC

      @NEOhio,
      Supposedly "God" gave man free will. I choose not to bow my knee now or ever, what about that?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:04 pm |
    • MadZagyg

      Coward is right.

      This is one of the more revolting opinions in a vast and endless sea of revolting religious opinions.

      If this god were real it would be necessary to slay him.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:09 pm |
  19. Joe Sixpack

    I wrote a book that says mind your own beezwax.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:47 am |
  20. BoldGeorge

    I did not want to comment on this topic anymore because CNN is evidently part of this agenda: to bring in opinioners to write articles in favor of Bible distorting for the sake of propagating immorality. I will, nonetheless, comment for the sake of those who are confused concerning Bible matters, but I'm sure some of you have made up your minds long time ago whether or not to believe and accept God's word for what it means by what it says.

    The author of this article, Mr. Helminiak, has either gotten his ordination papers from the free prize that comes in a crac.ker jack box or he has been seriously misled by his superiors/professors/denomination/etc., and now is in the business of misleading others all in the name of lust. He is a classic Biblical example of what the bible describes false teachers to be.

    To start, where in the Bible does adultery mean "the use of another man’s property"? As a matter of fact, where in the world did adultery ever mean anything other than an extra-marital affair or spiritual adultery which means to be associated with the world instead of with God??? This is suppose to be Bible Knowledge 101.

    Furthermore, Mr. Helminiak wrote: "Stoic philosophers did use para physin to mean unnatural, but this term also had a widespread popular meaning. It is this latter meaning that informs Paul's writing. It carries no ethical condemnation."

    What is this 'latter widespread popular meaning'? What else could it possibly mean? No, this is the thing, all through the ages, there's never been any other meaning. Why change the meaning now? I know, it's to suit the lustful desires of our times. I'm not stating here that the ho.mo.se.xu.al issue is recent issue, because it is not. It has been around forever, but what IS recent is the redefining of marriage. And to state that "it carries no ethical condemnation" is basically in it of itself condemning people to eternal punishment (and to think that we get branded as 'condemners'). What kind of love is that?
    Please read the CAPS:
    Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God GAVE THEM UP to "DISHONORABLE" passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the DUE PENALTY for their error.

    If this is not convicting and condemning enough, I don't know what is. Please, if I've said it once I must've said it a thousand times, I DO NOT believe ho.mo.se.xu.als are the enemy. Now, who are the enemies are the Bible distorters. By the way, the devil is the father of all lies and twisting God's word was and is his forte since the beginning. Just a reminder, Jesus really despised hypocrisy and falsehood.

    May 18, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • AverageJoe76

      And imagine how dissappointed Jesus would be of his flock. Expoliting his name and supporting symbolism with the cross. It's been a pathetic show for a long, long time.

      May 18, 2012 at 11:54 am |
    • Victor

      I thank you for your post.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Dragon68

      Jesus message to love all of God's children, because we all sin in one way or another. The Bible also warns us not to presume to know the face of God (in other words, his intentions or judgements), as that is also a sin. It is not for us to condemn each other, but to focus on being better people ourselves. (Judge not, lest ye be judged.)

      May 18, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • jeanine

      Bold george.
      Psalms 83:18.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Romans 1:26-27 – For this reason God GAVE THEM UP to "DISHONORABLE" passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the DUE PENALTY for their error.'

      Nice cherry picking now be a good christian and read 23 so you understand the full scripture. They were worshiping a pagan god using sex! Duh! That has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about the loving respectful relationship of a gay couples. You're the one cherry picking and distorting the bible to justify your prejudice towards gays. Grow up.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
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