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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. n8263

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality, seek comfort or are trying to find meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  2. allenwoll

    I could NOT care less about what the Bible, the Quran or ANY OTHER "Holy Book" says about anything. . I have a working mind and can find MY OWN WAY thru the thicket of Life ! ! !

    Bible Thumpers need to CUT the apron strings ! !

    May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  3. AA

    Both articles miss the point completely. It does not really matter what the original translation is – the point should be that people living in the 21st century should no be taking social cues from a book cobbled together from multiple authors ~2000 years ago

    May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      there's a lot more wisdom and knowledge in Dr. Seuss books than the bible.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I often refer to my Book of Unicorns for wisdom and knowledge. The First Ever Unicorn had the combined knowledge and wisdom of Jesus, The Father, AND the Holy Spirit AND THEN some! He was just plain AWESOME!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • Cq

      So, if the author is correct, and the biblical wisdom of 2000 plus years ago did not, in fact, condemn gays, then people would be justified in being bigoted, wouldn't they?

      The Bible isn't going away any time soon. It has been demonstrated that the Bible can be interpreted to justify anything a person wants to do. Most people are happy with this for themselves, but have a problem with how other people interpret it. It's not the Bible that needs to change, but the people using it, right?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
  4. MK

    "and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives)." By this logic the only time people should be having 'relations' is when it is intended to create children. And further, if it is a mortal sin to deny the possibility of conceiving, then the 'pull out' method is not allowed either. If you are going in, you go in for the full meal deal and only when you have the intent to procreate. ABSURD!

    May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Cq

      Since men can remain fertile for decades after women can, elderly men should ditch their old wives for younger women who can still give them babies then. Pat Robinson may want to have a little talk with his wife.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  5. john jaun

    Lev. 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. seems pretty clear cut to me.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Observer

      Leviticus also says (Lev. 20:9) "If there is anyone who curses his father or his mother, he shall surely be put to death”.

      So what was your point, if any?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • GodPot

      john jaun obviously adheres strictly to Leviticus since it is so clear on so many things...

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      "Thou shalt not eat shellfish blah blah blah abomination blah blah blah." Let's burn down all the Red Lobsters ! ! ! for they are clearly an abomination unto the "Lord"! ! ! Damn you Red Lobster, you will be the death of this country and all of humanity for making the Judeo-Christian God really really mad ! ! !

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      don't forget to kill all non-virgin brides! buh-bye 98% of females in this country. hmmm... sounds like if we did what the bible said, there'd be so few females left this country would be the g.ayest in the world. lol.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Not capable of thinking for yourself?
      Something from 2000 years ago you accept as truth opposed to numerous peer reviewed studies done within our lifetime that prove otherwise?
      It's bigotry and wrong...read a science book, it is healthier for the brain.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • john jaun

      I was referencing the article. The subject in the article is claiming that references to gays in the Bible are ambiguous. I cited a verse that is conflicting with his point of view. Nothing more nothing less. It is an observation.

      May 18, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Christians don't follow Leviticus anymore, it's part of the Holiness Code, a ritual manual for Israel's priests.. So are you going to tell women now they have to marry their rapists and all the other sins listed in that particular scriptures? Duh!

      May 18, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
  6. HSum

    Keep your Bible out of my marriage. Call it something different like "Bible partership" or something. You and your "Bible-partner" can do whatever you want but leave it out of my business. Since when is marriage an individually Christian thing? This viewpoint is not just bigoted against gays, but against most of the world. As long as Christians are that self-centered, they will never reach an understanding with the rest of the world. No wonder al Qaeda attacks us.

    May 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • john jaun

      marriage has always been a religious thing. Still is. even Humanist such as your self want to be married.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Observer

      Marriage is a LEGAL matter. When it fails, NO ONE goes back to church. They go to a LAWYER.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      marriage is a legal device, not a religious one.

      get married in a church with church approval but without a gov't issued marriage license = not legally married
      get married in a courthouse without church approval but with a gov't issued marriage license = legally married

      you can add ritual and ceremony to a marriage, but it's not necessary. marriage is a legally binding contract between two people.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • WANT SUM

      U DUM

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • sam stone

      "marriage has always been a religious thing."

      then do it without a government license

      May 18, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • john jaun

      You are all right. Since the beginning of time people have been going to the courthouse to get married.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • mooseinfmp

      When the radical Is lam ists take over because you and your kind have weakened society with your per ver ted ways, you will wish with your dy ing breath that you had Christ ians to deal with...

      May 18, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      john, even back in Bible times marriage was a legal matter. It was pretty much a contract saying "this woman belongs to me". It was also a way of making sure inheritances got passed on legally in the event of death.

      May 18, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  7. Jim456

    Well,, the bible makes it clear: It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. So you maybe can ignore the bible anyhow in this respect

    May 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Observer

      Jim456.

      It took a man to start humanity. Eve was just a rib from Adam.

      Since it takes a man to start it all, who started the parallel civilization of Nod? I say it was Steve. You can't prove it wasn't.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Oh and don't forget the talking snake. . . and Adam and Eve's pet dinosaurs which I'm sure were playing chase and peacefully munching on grass in the background in the "Garden of Eden". LMFAO

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      Jim, you sound like an ignorant sheep mouthing off that ridiculous cr@p.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      Eve was incorrectly translated from the ancient Hebrew. It was actually 'Adam and Yves'.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      And if I were religious, I don't think I'd be brining Eve's name up very often. She gave birth to a homicidal (or fratricidal) maniac who killed his brother because of greed.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • Jim456

      @ Voxovreeson: LOL! This could be as well 🙂

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      did adam or eve have s.ex with their children? or both? the bible claims we are all products of incest.

      the bible is disgusting.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Voxoreason, and if you believe in what Mormon founder Joseph Smith said, then now we all know how Blacks inherited their dark skin. . .it's because they descended for a murderer in the "bible" and as their punishment were given dark skin. . .since we all know that the human race began a white race. . .as opposed to what scientists say, that humans began in S. East Africa. . . but what do those silly scientists know with all their facts, evidence and such. . . .

      May 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • sam stone

      jimbo: straight people continue to birth gay children. how do you know that this is NOT god's plan

      May 18, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
  8. TruthBeTold

    Truth be told, everyone dies and will stand before God. Our sins will be revealed and we will find out if our names are written in the Book of Life. If you believe in the Word, you have to believe in that. Man makes sins acceptable, but in the eyes of God all sin is equal. To say something is of God, when it isnt and convince others to believe it is discussed in the Bible. Truth be told..... Everyone dies.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • GodPot

      "Truth be told, everyone dies" You can just stop there. The rest of your comment is pure unobjective opinion.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      That's your truth, not mine. I don't make you believe in my truth; stop trying to impose yours on the rest of us.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the truth is there is no such thing as god. sin and hell are there to promote guilt and fear, two of the pillars of christianity. the third is ignorance.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Kirk

      Yes, everyone dies, but what happens after that is highly debatable.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Truth be told, everyone dies and will stand before God."

      Well, part of it is right....

      May 18, 2012 at 1:18 pm |
  9. just thinking

    why is CNN always posting articles about religion. As far as I'm concerned, this is not news, its opinion. Lets stick to news CNN and not trying to sway social opinion.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • SkepticOne

      When that "opinion" spills over into laws restricting the rights of our fellow citizens; I think CNN should cover the hell out of it.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Mike

      Going out on a limb here, but if it's posted in the Religion blog, you could always just not read it.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
  10. DeeCee1000

    Hey "Christians", look up Horus, Mithra, and Osiris (just to name a few). Tell me if you don't see something strangely similar in THOSE gods compared to YOUR "god". Your "blood sacrifice" thingy is so bronze age too. Who the heck still believes in a "god" that requires a "blood sacrifice"?

    May 18, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • john jaun

      Yep. The amazing part is that Catholics to this day still worship these gods and they don't even realize it. Thank God for protestants who seek the truth.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  11. dennis

    Just do not forget, there is an end coming, we will all face the Lord. It doesn't matter whether you believe this or not. God does not wring His hands when we decide against His Word. It is still the Truth and will last until the end. So, get on board by getting born again. This alone will answer many questions the devil confuses you on. haJd, tSias, pd

    May 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Sarah

      Didn't that end come twice last year??

      May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      Love the logic. "It doesn't matter if you believe it or not, what I believe is right and it is going to happen to you." Thanks for the heads up, Papa.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      but if i don't go to Hell, i'll miss all my friends...

      May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Duh, "there is an end coming". Go read a science book PLEASE! Are you so brainwashed that you can't think for yourself? Even scientists who don't believe in the Judeo-Christian "god" know more than the Judeo-Christian "god" when it comes to how long it took for this planet and solar system to form into what it is today.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      @Sarah: There is new date. Some group in Toronto, ON, Canada that uses 'SSS' and '666' and claim to be christian (based out of Texas) are saying the date in now June 30. http://life.nationalpost.com/2012/05/01/the-time-is-finished-religious-sect-erects-billboards-in-toronto-ahead-of-the-transformation/

      May 18, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Voxovreeson

      June 30?? Oh NO!!! Now I have to change all my vacation plans AGAIN!!!

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Just do not forget, there is an end coming, we will all face the Lord."

      Gee, another opinion

      May 18, 2012 at 1:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      beware of those who capitalize "truth"

      May 18, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
  12. Rodolfo

    what is wrong and what is rigth, Who are you to judge others ideas and viciversa?Better than thousand hollow words,is
    one word that brings peace. relax and use your common sense if you have one a this time.Do not be followers just used
    you brain and do not play games. Comment others important things.The rights of one started when you respect the others
    rigths.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  13. RG

    Go to william branham . com and search for the answers.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  14. Observer

    The Bible supports slavery.
    The Bible supports the inferiority of women.
    The Bible supports discrimination against the handicapped.

    The Bible supports discrimination against gays. At least it is consistent.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Kiss

      Your right the old testament has all of that. but we live by the new testament. But what is worse to real cristians is not gays it is more of a sin to change the bible and interperate it to suit someone's personal agenda.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • Observer

      Kiss,

      Is it the SAME God in both testaments?

      Did God support ALL of those?

      Is God "unchanging" like the Bible says?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Observer:
      Jesus came to set the prisoner free. In Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile (Gal.3:28). Check out William Wilberforce.
      Jesus did not hesitate to flip social norms on women. Even the first witnesses to the resurrection were women – when women's testimony was not considered valid in Jewish courts.
      Jesus came to heal the lame. Much of his miraculous ministry was to the handicapped – as many such Christian folks will attest today (i.e., Joni Eareckson Tada).

      Here's what is consistent: the Bible is univocal on the condemnation of ho.mo.se.xuality as a sin. Wilberforce & MLK were able to get theological conservatives who valued the Bible to listen to clear portions of Scripture that challenged their abuses of the Bible. For the ga.y lobby, there exists no such passages.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      well, kiss, sounds like you're going to hell then. jesus himself says you cannot drop a single letter from the OT. so if you're not following the OT, you're gonna burn. the OT doesn't replace the NT, it just adds to it. follow the 10 commandments? that's OT.

      also, jesus believed in slavery, so OT or NT, the bible supports slavery, the most evil inst.itution ever inflicted on man by his fellow man.

      Luke 12:37-38
      37 "Blessed are those slaves whom the master will find on the alert when he comes; truly I say to you, that he will gird himself to serve, and have them recline at the table, and will come up and wait on them.
      38 "Whether he comes in the second watch, or even in the third, and finds them so, blessed are those slaves.”

      May 18, 2012 at 1:00 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Kiss: google Marcion & the Marcionite heresy.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Russ

      @ bootyfunk: you're interpretation of Luke 12 fails on this basic level: Jesus is talking about himself as the master. That compared to God, we are the slaves/servants, and he is the master. It's why even Paul repeatedly calls himself a "slave of Christ."

      May 18, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • junior

      you all dont get it. the bible clearly thinks it a sin yes. but the bible doesnt give us the right to dictate what another human being can do with his or her life. GOD gave us a choice to do not sin purely out of love for him and nothing else. He also says dont judge others but cause no one is perfect. and ONLY ONLY ONLY him deserve the right to judge.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • sam stone

      "interperate it to suit someone's personal agenda."

      how many different christian sects are there? seems to me that many people have interpreted the bible for their own agenda

      May 18, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Junior: read the passage again. the Mt.7:2 verse to which you're appealing actually is a call to judge fairly – not to avoid judging at all. Read the paragraph. Jesus calls his followers to deal w/ their own "log" in their eye – and THEN help their brother remove the splinter in his. The way you read it, no one would ever remove a log from their own eye. Jesus is saying "be consistent!", not "avoid judging."

      It is a given that Christians need to use discernment – and "judge rightly" between what is good & evil according to what God says.

      And read Rom.13. The state is clearly called to judge – and is expected to judge fairly according to God... or at that point God's people should disobey the state: Acts 5:29. So clearly, the people are expected to discern at what point they should *judge* even those who have been put over them for the sake of justice.

      May 18, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Russ

      @ Sam Stone: do you stop using the Const.itution because some people have misused it for their own agenda? or do you seek to use it according the author's/founders' intent?

      May 18, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
  15. David

    so I'm still not clear on how and why to kill my wife and daughter or if it's OK in this day and age to have slaves.....and oh Jeeezus, masturbations a problem now? wow they shoulda told that to me when I was 8, hey dont judge, I was a precocious kid 🙂

    May 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      I think the buybull says you have to stone them.
      Slaves? Isn't that what teenagers think they are when asked to do something? 🙂
      As for the masturbation...careful, they'll doom you to hell for that one. 🙂

      Btw: Are you wearing something made of 2 materials today? When you're at work are you looking at the ground when you are speaking to someone of of the opposite gender-wouldn't want you to be guilty of being lustful?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
  16. translationtutor

    If pure evil exists in this world... and I believe it does, is it that far off to believe pure Good exists? Wether you believe in the Bible, Heaven, Hell, God, Lucifer, or not... You will still be judged for your actions here on this world. You'll remember this very instance of being told it would happen. (& no, I'm no saint/exempt from this either) God speaks, we just choose not to listen – or dismiss it as coincidence. Regardless of your views Gay or Straight... God Bless

    May 18, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      no such thing as god.

      next.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • birch please

      You may be judged on this world... But there are no such things as ghost so when you die, you are dead, thats it.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • sam stone

      "Wether you believe in the Bible, Heaven, Hell, God, Lucifer, or not... You will still be judged for your actions here on this world"

      Empty proxy threats are for those who have no rational argument

      May 18, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
  17. CCC

    Those people are the reason we need to add some bleach to the gene pool. Everything that people in this country want is automatically a right. We've the universities and the stupid community collegs in this country to blame for pushing moral relativism and 'right' to never be made to adhere to standards, never be challenged in any way, never be told that we are stupid or not performing at an acceptable level, and the right to dress, look, and act like buttholes.....and expect to be hired by companies for good salaries and not be looked on as buttholes....

    May 18, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      stop for a minute and think. try to drop your h.omophobia just for a minute. the right to get married IS a civil right. you would think differently if you were told you could not get married to the person you love.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • GodPot

      "universities and the stupid community collegs in this country to blame for pushing moral relativism and 'right'"

      Exactly, those stupid schools giving people access to information to help them be better informed and make decisions for themselves, when it should be God making those decisions, through his church servants of course who never sin or make mistakes or mislead people. If only we had kept more people away from schools we wouldn't have such a huge problem with brown children being born to all these mixed race couples, and we wouldn't have to worry about women making the same money as a man because they would be where they belong, in the kitchen. And we wouldn't have to worry about other religions around the world taking ground here in the US, we would simply bomb the ignorant muslims praying to the false God Allah and everyone would be happy, that is if you are a white male Christian..

      May 18, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • sam stone

      CCC: Equal protection under the law IS a right.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  18. WASP

    @ms.torres: i can use your own book to prove god did make 2 males and 2 females. lmfao i love when this comes up.
    genesis 1
    " 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
    27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
    28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
    ok now i'm counting 2 unnamed humans that god just told to go and be fruitful.
    genesis 2
    " 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
    8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."
    now he just created adam, a human by name from the dirt. still with me on this?
    " 21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
    22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
    23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."
    ok now god has taken the rib from adam and made eve, the first named female.......question what were the first two humans doing during this time?
    now by my count god created two sets of humans, so if my math doesn't fail me two plus two equals.............4. lmfao now before the christians go and say well that is god making adam and eve, then telling us how he made them......bs because he made the first pair at the same time and set them both in the garden of eden, then he created adam and eve. ever wonder what happen to the first set?

    May 18, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    May 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Lilith

      I was there, and was on equal footing with Steve, but then God decided equality was not what he prefered, so he sent me away and made for Steves younger brother Adam a more subservient woman, who was so weak willed as to be fooled by a snake. You humans are silly.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      most christians don't realize there are two separate stories of creation. the bible goes over the same thing twice, basically. the accounts are inconsistent. which is right? neither, of course.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Flatpicker

      One is a general description of what happened the second a more detailed description of the same event. Would that be terrible writing to give an overview then a detailed description ?

      May 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • Deborah Torres

      I read your first sentenced and puked. I am back now. Not interested in your conversation... Just not

      May 18, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • GodPot

      "Not interested in your conversation... Just not"

      It's funny how fragile some people faith is and yet they cling to it like a child does their security blanket. Even suggesting they let go of it and grow up get's an angry outburst and tears and often a full on tantrum.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  19. CCC

    And your expert commentator is an ex-roman-catholic-priest. A 'former' priest who obviously has differences of opinion with his church is hardly a fair and balanced commentator.

    May 18, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Hmmm

      "has differences of opinion with his church is hardly a fair and balanced commentator."

      So you are not allowed to have a difference of opinion and be fair and balanced? You need to totally agree with the discriminatory position of the Church to be "fair & balanced"? I think you might have gotten your definition of those two words from an eroneous source, aka FOX & friends.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  20. Deborah Torres

    This book that we all hate and Love ( I love it) is the oldest book, and has been a best seller for thousands of years! Is that not another reason to say HHMM. No we choose not to belive it still right? Yeah.... We have other greast books we prefer . Read Romans 2 people many answers there....

    May 18, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • CCC

      You are soooooooo right. If it FEELS good it just MUST BE GOOD....RIGHT? Wrong! It's an abomination before GOD and before all their fellow NORMAL men and women.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Dagger_32

      Man, I love the Lord of the Rings but that doesn't mean I am going to start worshiping Gandalf.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • daveh32

      ah yes, the old "it's been around a long time so it must be true". The Quran has been around a pretty long time, so I guess you're saying that's true too? Let me guess, you go through and pick and choose your favorite passages and use them to justify your prejudices. Then those pesky little passages that specifically tell you not to do what you're doing (judging people, not loving your neighbor, etc) are just so inconvenient, you choose to ignore them. You, and every other religious person I've ever met, are hypocrites.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • lunchbreaker

      Considering the Bible was not completed until some point after 01 A.D., that would be a false statement.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Kandric

      The Christian bible is not even in the top ten oldest books...

      "Instructions of Shuruppak" was written in 3000 BCE. "Epic of Etana" was 2600 BCE. Pyramid Texts in Egypt were popular from 2400 BCE to 2300 BCE (people buried with books). "Code of Urukagina" c. 2380 BCE. "Palermo Stone" c. 2300 BCE. "The Wisdom of Ptah-Hotep" c. 2400 BCE. "En-hedu-ana’s Hymns" 2285 BCE. "The Epic of Gilgamesh" c 2000 BCE. "The Code of Ur-Nammu" 2050 BCE. Coffin Texts, similar to Pyramid Texts, were popular from 2200-1800 BCE.

      I have listed ten books that come 2000 years before the book you claim as the oldest.

      Please educate yourself.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • WASP

      @torres: cave paintings have been around for 30,000 years far outdating your book of only 2000 years.............so thank you for just agreeing humans evolved; because they exsist it shows humans started from an earlier ancestor thus being that old it must be right, right? lmao

      May 18, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      there are many writings/books older than the bible. do you believe in Gilgamesh?

      you're logic is terrible. there is no such thing as god. grow up.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "It's an abomination before GOD and before all their fellow NORMAL men and women."

      What is an abomination is the stupid comments like this. What your bible condemns is male prostitution, idolatry and worshiping a pagan god using sex. It has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. There is a whole list of abominations in your bible: Unclean things (Lev. 7:21) ; Cheating (Mic. 6:10) ; A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17) ; A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22) ; Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17) ; A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18) ; A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19) ; A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19) ; A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1) ; The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5) ; Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15) ; Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15) ; Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9) ; Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4) ; Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16) ; Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15) ; Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17) ; Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13) – So are you going to condemn all of the people that do these things, are you going to try and block their civil rights too? What a hypocrite.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "before all their fellow NORMAL men and women."

      Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      May 18, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      "This book that we all hate and Love ( I love it) is the oldest book, and has been a best seller for thousands of years!"

      Another unsupportable statement. You sure are full of them, aren't you Deborah?

      May 18, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • sam stone

      CCC: Speaking for god, are ya? Nothing arrogant about that

      May 18, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
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