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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

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  1. z rat

    Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

    and that is the way the gov should make it

    May 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • QS

      With a 50% divorce rate, first you have to convince me that marriage is "sacred".

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Bev Hills

      Because it is a work of fiction.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • z rat

      its not about sacred its about saying that gay marriage is not the same thing as marriage and should go by a diffrent name

      May 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • YeahRight

      The U S Supreme court views it as a civil right, there is nothing "sacred" about it.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  2. FrayedJeff

    How is it that religious people of today believe that people of the past are so much wiser/smarter than we are today?

    May 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Vincent

      Because people like you prove the point.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Huebert

      Well, they know that they themselves aren't that bright so they as.sume...

      May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • DoofenChrist Evil Incorporated

      Realization of their own intense stupidity. On a relative basis, the people before must have been smarter or they never would have been able to invent TV and lip gloss.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  3. mikey

    @CedarRapids

    called that one, lol you're like every other non-believer.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      sorry mikey but that is just what it sounds like....easily led.....so what got you into drink and drugs? peer pressure? the idea that it was cool? the thought it might help with your problems?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
  4. ghost

    the bible is a book of lies written to keep the weak minded in line. comic books have more credibility.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • jmac121

      wow ... sound argument ... think i'll just give up my faith ... thanks

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
  5. Josef Bleaux

    Top Ten Signs You're a Christian
    10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
    9 – You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
    8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
    7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
    6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
    5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
    4 – You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs – though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
    3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
    2 – You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
    1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Observer

      Amen.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • apostate

      @josef b. sounds about right.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • Believer

      u know ur generalizing and are way off on some of our beliefs, and u can't go around saying religion is stupid just because it isnt urs, im christian, but i respect atheists and jews and muslims and every one else

      May 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • jmac121

      yawn ... never seen that before ... please try cut and copying something new

      May 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Puzzled in Peoria

      Quit copying and pasting the same dreck. You do this every time there's an article about Christianity.

      This is the top sign you don't have anything new and relevant.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Jesse

      Your argument has much merit. It saddens me when people take things to the extreme. I am a Christian, a true one. Jesus hung out with "da bad peoples" for a reason. The inner circle made up their own minds and refused to listen. Hence, the crucifixion.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • read the bible

      It look like you don’t believe in the bible and look to science - question where did the “stuff” come from that made the earth in the big bang theory (getting something from nothing is kinda hard to explain scientifically)

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • MB2011

      This the the best comment I have read in a long time......simply awesome...kudos to you

      May 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Josef Bleaux

      The bible is nothing but ancient mythology. I'll take modern science over ancient mythology any day. Thousands of gods have been worshiped since the beginning of history but of course YOURS is the only one that's real. I have some news for you. NONE of them are real. Ancient mythology. Period. End of story.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • RLM

      ROFL, I liked that (And I am Christian)

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Joeb

      Im a catholic, but that was well said.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • willr

      You express yourself as if you hold the truth about others.. Who is more ignorant is the question here.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
  6. xyx25

    I may not be able to practice everything that is taught in the Bible. That is my shortcoming. Just because, I may not be able to keep, doesn't justify my sin nor make the Bible wrong. I am not able to keep them makes me a sinner and I need a Savior (Jesus) to rescue me from my sin. If we confess our sins, he will forgive us and cleanse us from that sin.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Observer

      As a sinner, then, why not concentrate on your problems rather than telling other people about their "abominations" like eating lobster?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Huebert

      You don't need a savior. Their is nothing to be saved from. Sin, an offence against god, is a man made concept. Just like god.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • QS

      OooOooOoo....siiiiiiin....quick, everybody kneel! ;-p

      May 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • ironman59

      Your failings are your own issue and not the failings of someone else. Your book of fairytales is nothing but fantasy that was written at time when it was easy to keep people in line with fear or salvation. Today, education and enlightenment are the achilles heal of your fairytales. It is so absurd that to make his counter point the commentor in this article recites the New Standard REVISED Version of the 100+ versions of the bible. The point the original article made was that if you look at the original Greek text with the meaning of words at that time, all of this " it's a sin " nonsense doesn't hold water.

      The reason we know that is because we can look at other non-biblical writings of the time that use the same word in similiar context. Unlike your the fairytales in your little book, significant events and people in history actually show up in works by historians. They also show up as works written at the time of the event and not 200-400 yeras later.

      It is time for religion to go away. You can feel bad about your own failings but that is not grounds for you or this NSRV nut-job to push those rules on the secular world.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  7. Observer

    The Bible supports slavery.
    The Bible supports the inferiority of women.
    The Bible supports discrimination against the handicapped.

    The Bible supports discrimination against gays. No surprise, but at least it is consistent.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • jmac121

      Perhaps you should actually read and study what the Bible says instead of taking passages out of context?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • Observer

      jmac121,

      Obviously, you have read little of the Bible or remember little. Everything is FACT as far as what the Bible says and does.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • jmac121

      I do believe in the inspired Word of God ... but we there are things called figures of speech and context ... that's the problem, too many people rip passages out of context to serve their own purposes.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • mhklein

      The Bible supports discrimination against the handicapped? How so?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Observer

      jmac121,

      Telling people how badly they can injure their slaves without being punished is not a figure of speech. Get serious.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • Observer

      mhklein,

      – Leviticus 21:16-20 “Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "Speak to Aaron, saying, 'No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God. For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb, or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand, or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema or scabs or crushed testicles."

      May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • jmac121

      context ... was written to the hebrews of that time ... not to you and i today ... come on, really?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • Josef Bleaux

      The bible is not the word of god. It's just ancient mythology, nothing more. Written thousands of years ago by members of a primitive culture. They believed in all kinds of nonsense. I'll take modern science over ancient mythology any day.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Observer

      jmac121

      "context ... was written to the hebrews of that time ... not to you and i today ... come on, really?"

      So were they the words of God? YES or NO?
      lol.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • jmac121

      @ Josef Bleaux

      Well, thank your for enlightening all of us ... and whose against sound science? I follow Christ and am not ... the truth of science is his truth

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • Bev Hills

      jmac121...who is taking what out of context??? You are!!!

      May 17, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • jmac121

      you know, the pharasies tried to trap Jesus too ... no answer i give you will matter as you already have your heart/mind made up ... at the end of the day God is God, I am not and I am wise enough to know I don't understand all of the mysteries of the universe .... my child doesn't understand why I put him to be at a certain time, don't let him play with the burner or drive the car

      May 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • jmac121

      Bev Hills

      what am i taking out of context?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • Observer

      jmac121,

      You haven't really given an answer at all. I quoted God and you said he wasn't talking to us. By the same logic the Ten Commandments should be ignored in this country. You haven't thought this through at all.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • jmac121

      do you understand that there are universal principles that we can glean from scripture and that it was also written to a certain people at a certain time? were you there three thousand years ago – knowing what was going on in that time? no? perhaps approach things a little more humbly then.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Observer

      jmac121,

      I think you are catching on. No one believes every word of the Bible. They just pick and choose what they like and ignor the rest.

      That's how so many Christian hypocrites can pick on gays while ignoring the MUCH GREATER number of fellow Christians who commit adultery by divorcing and remarrying.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • jmac121

      i agree ... many do indeed proof text scripture ... i also agree that it is easy for the 'majority' to point out 'sins' they themselves don't struggle with, while continuing to commit their own ... it doesn't make any of them right however

      May 17, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • jmac121

      btw ... i do believe in God's Word ... if read properly and humbly ... also believe that those who follow Christ shouldn't be judging those who – but we are called to examine each other as believers

      May 17, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • jmac121

      Observer,

      I have to get going ... good chatting with you ... another time I suppose

      May 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • willr

      jajajaj joojojo jiiijijiji what a wise comment jojojojojijiji This is more true than nothing!!!

      May 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  8. Bibletruth

    The concept of original sin as say Catholicism holds is unbiblical. The bible is crystal clear that the children do not inherit guilt due to the sin(s) of the parent. The soul that sinneth, it shall die (and die means die as in dead, it does not mean life in any form). Regarding the truth of the bible, how could God convince every person on earth that the bible is true? Consider it. Specifically, what could God do that noone could gainsay, that no one could argue with? Yes, I know one can always reject , but what could God do that will convince (100%) those that will recive truth? This is what God said: I will tell you what will happen before it happens. And Peter said, I and the other apostles have been with Christ from the beginning of his ministry, we were daily eye witnesses...but we have a more sure word of prophecy.. .

    May 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • Observer

      Or God could take 5 seconds out from watching the football games with the Christians talking to him and just announce in a loud voice to the world "I am God. Follow my Bible".

      Five seconds. Is that asking too much?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • jmac121

      He has but because of people's hard hearts they refuse to take notice ... has happened throughout history – continues today ...

      "If God had a face what would it look like
      And would you want to see
      If seeing meant that you would have to believe
      In things like heaven and injesus and the saints and all the prophets" ... great lines ... of course not from the Bible 😛

      May 17, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
  9. Colleen

    The funny thing about this debate is that the Bible was written by men. I'm sure these men felt extremely inspired by God...and yet, they are still only men. History has shown us what men do in the name of religion, so why do we keep referring to a book written by fallible men to prove the morality of anything? Why can't we just let God do the judging and be done with it?

    May 17, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • jmac121

      That would be your opinion though

      May 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • SurelyUjest

      @jmac121 – I would argue it is not Colleens opinion but a fact men with their hands did write the Bible, you can argue they wrote these words "inspired by god" or "under the watchful eye of the holy spirit" or what ever justification you want. One could also argue much of the old testiment such as the story of the great flood, the Hebrew exodus from Eygpt, the parting of the red sea etc.....were also pre-bibilical babalonian stories predating Abraham by 1000 yrs. Which is historical fact unless you want to deny carbon dating, historical texts and other civilization (Greek and Roman included) references to these early stories which also include the "son of god" or "sun god" rising from the dead to purify all. All these were written by men should acknowledge that it is possible the holy scriptures of the Torah, Bible and Koran have been tainted by opinion, cultural motives and political ideology of their own day. Then let your GOD decide when we all die instead of arguing what is opinion what is "fact" by YOUR or MY standards after all it is not ours to decide.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • jmac121

      SurelyUjest

      So you've taken an intro class on readings of the ancient world I see ... honestly, kind of bored with the same rhetoric from both camps ... yes God will decide ... the thing about it is that nothing will happen if I'm wrong but ...

      May 17, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @jmac

      But what if your particular brand of christianity is wrong? What if judaism is correct, or islam, or the myriad of other religions all around the world? Pascal's Wager at it's finest.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
  10. Andrew Maletta

    You know it's funny how MAN & WOMAN our always trying to interpret the bible. You have GOD telling what not to do, but MAN tries to tell GOD what to do. What that famous line people are always using "THY SHALL NOT JUDGE", if two men are sharing penises shall I say you are gay, you are a disgrace to GOD and the same applies to the women. The bible starts off say GOD created man, and GOD saw that he was lonely so the man slept and from the rib of that man HE MADE A WOMAN SO MAN WOULD HAVE A WIFE AND NOT ALONE. That why the Catholic Priest are in the situation they are in touching boys, they are taught they could not married that goes against everything GOD says. Do you see why this world is in the condition it's in GOD is left out of everything. REMEMBER YOU ONLY GET ONE SHOT AT LIFE, WHAT YOU DO WITH IT DETERMINES YOUR ETERNAL FAITH, OR SHALL I SAY YOUR DESTINY. Once this life is over there is not a second chance, so think about what you are doing cause your soul will pay the price.

    Thank You
    Andrew Maletta

    May 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • QS

      Everybody say it with me now....indoctrination.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Regardless of your view points the experts have shown that being gay is NORMAL and they deserve the same equal civil rights as straights. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 17, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      Andrew...Man invented god. But you are right about one thing. You only get one shot at life. When you die it's over. No afterlife. Make the best of this one life you have by abandoning your little black book of hate.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • htc

      Freethinker and yahright one day and that could be very soon you will bow you knees to GOD but not with joy but in utter shame and disgrace so while you still have the breath of life in your nostrils bow you knees to him now

      May 17, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • tnfreethinker

      “Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
      ― Marcus Aurelius

      May 17, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • JWT

      those concepts of your bible only ally to you and not to me or most other people.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  11. Iceman6161

    The" modern" black man has been on this earth for over 200,000 years+ and how old the bible say the earth is, my point BUT if you want to listen to the bible then do it don't worry about this world BECAUSE WE ARE SINFUL!!! Your God's have prepared a place for you up there so just ride it out.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
  12. AverageJoe76

    What will happen to solidify our views into something agreed upon between all people? I hope it doesn't involve the near annihilation of mankind. Atheists and agnostics have more than likely explored faith, and left unsatisfied with the answers. On the other hand, how many atheists/ agnostics have moved to a religion? I'd be curious to find out. I'd bet it's a very small number. If you ask me, atheists and agnostics seem to struggle internally for a long time, pondering the universe and whether the information they're getting is correct. I'm agnostic, and although I know next to nothing where the universe is concerned, I believe it lies within a system of logic. Mankind is still in it's infancy, we can only perceive the universe from our view of Earth and the probes we've sent out. Let's not be arrogant in our approach to life. And let's not demean those who clearly haven't grasped the scale of all there is.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • QS

      Self-fulfilling prophecy.

      I'm convinced that if mankind is to be annihilated, it will be at the hands of reilgious zealots who are so sure of their own religions' "prophecies" about the end time that they will somehow find a way to make those prophecies come true out of some sick, twisted sense of vindication.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Unfortunately, that may be true QS. If so, that would just suck. I have hope in humans. I really do. And I believe we will be the cosmic explorers you see in the movies.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • QS

      I'm with ya Joe, it just keeps a constant reminder in my mind to remain vigilant against those religious forces that seek to rule and control rather than serve humanity....so, pretty much all of them!

      May 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  13. d

    people were just as gay in Jesus' day. Did Jesus devote his time to oppressing them? no he didn't! instead, he told Christians to sell all they had an follow him. Pretty much the opposite of what Christians are doing today.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • jmac121

      hm, think your missing lots of what Jesus did say ... he actaully spoke lots about sin, judgment and hell

      May 17, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • d

      Indeed he did. But did he spend his time trying to get Caesar to litigate it? No he didn't did he?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • HM

      I am sorry but you need to get out more. Much good is being done through Christian churches. I have seen many good works done in the name of God. You seem to want to judge but I can tell you do this from afar.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • jmac121

      No he didn't but he also did not live in a culture where he had freedom of speach and a vote ... we do. Really I could care little about what most do, but my concern is to the discrimnation Christians will be forced to endure if things keep moving in this direction ... and, what my kids will be taught.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • d

      If you're worried about what your kids will be taught, then teach them yourselves. This is what my parents did and what I intend to do for my kids. Don't impose your beliefs on me and my family however by abusing litigation.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • jmac121

      sorry 'd' ... my post did not go up from before ... gotta run, but it's been good chatting with you

      May 17, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  14. Unafiliated

    The issue is not what the Bible says or doesn't say. People in our country are allowed to believe what they believe, without having to justify it. Believe what you want, you are only expected to live according to the laws of the land, and those laws are established by the people and their elected representatives. If you don't like the laws, try to change them. But arguing with people about WHY they think a certain way is not only divisive, but it is arrogant and hypocritical. No matter which side of the issue you are on, if you automatically dismiss everyone else as moronic, then you are part of the problem.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
  15. d

    I am fully convinced that if prohibition was once again introduced, a large number of Christians today would support it. This is extremely disturbing. Just because getting drunk is wrong according to the bible doesn't mean lawmakers should ban it!

    geeze

    May 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • xyx25

      but shouldn't approve drunk driving.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • Bibletruth

      Someone said, in essence: Just because something is wrong (sin) according to the bible, doesnt mean lawmakers should ban it.

      Agree...and just because something is wrong (sin) according to the bible, doesnt mean lawmakers should not ban it. lol

      May 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • Huebert

      @bibletruth

      Absolutely true. Law makers should completely ignore the bible when writing laws. There now everyone is happy.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
  16. n8263

    People should care as much about what the Bible says regarding homosexuality as it does about stoning your disobedient children to death.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  17. xyx25

    All the translations can be found here. Interpret however you want!
    http://scripturetext.com/romans/1-27.htm

    May 17, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Observer

      xyx25,

      So do you believe and practice EVERYTHING in Romans or just pick-and-choose?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • YeahRight

      Duh to get the true meaning of scripture you have to look at whole context so when you read 23 and the rest of it they were worshiping a pagan god using sex. It has NOTHING to do with what we now know and understand about gays today.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • xyx25

      I may not be able to practice everything. That is my shortcoming. Just because, I may not be able to keep, doesn't justify my sin nor make the Bible wrong. I am not able to keep them makes me a sinner and I need a Savior (Jesus) to rescue me from my sin. If we confess our sins, he will forgive us and cleanse us from that sin.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I may not be able to practice everything. That is my shortcoming. Just because, I may not be able to keep, doesn't justify my sin nor make the Bible wrong. I am not able to keep them makes me a sinner and I need a Savior (Jesus) to rescue me from my sin. If we confess our sins, he will forgive us and cleanse us from that sin."

      Adultery is discussed far more as a sin in the bible but you aren't denying those sinners their civil rights now are you. What a hypocrite.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Josef Bleaux

      I've read both the old and new testaments cover to cover. Ancient mythology, nothing more.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  18. Ed123

    Knowing the Bible pretty well myself, I am always concerned about people taking their pet peeves out of the Bible and making it doctrine. In the Bible in 1COR 11 it says that women should have their head covered when they pray to God. It even goes as far as to elude that women having short hair and men having long hair would be an abomination before God. This is new testament scripture that Paul dedicates half a chapter to, the same chapter he reaffirms Christian belief in taking Holy Communion. But I am sure the writer of this article explain away women having short hair and men having long hair as not being rejected in the Bible. He will use cultural explanations of the day to show how I was wrong in asserting that. Jesus does not mention gays in the Bible. Paul eludes to something about effeminate men. But he writes have a chapter on hair. My take on the whole position is that this is the reason I do not believe in a god. I realized that these books and teachings were written to advance the agenda of those writing it.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
  19. Potion4

    Amazing, I've always found it funny how the animals have it right; even the insects. What in the world is wrong with the human race geez people. God gave you free will if you choose to do what you do than do it but dont think that its acceptable to God and he should accept it.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • QS

      "What in the world is wrong with the human race..."

      That's easy...we continue to believe in gods.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Cedar Rapids

      'Amazing, I've always found it funny how the animals have it right; even the insects"

      true, we are the only ones that seem to create supernatural beings to explain things.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      Lets not go that far. Look at it like this; the knowledge you wield was given to you by those before you. Our knowledge base was rather small when these religions were conceived. Now, we have 'new' knowledge to counter our old way of doing things. Humans are so intelligent, we've let our minds play tricks with us. We conjured beings out of thin air, and will give our lives to them. Really fascinating stuff when you think about it. I'm just thankful to not be born in the Dark Ages or something. I wouldn't be agnostic, and I honestly love the freedom of thought.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
  20. QS

    Unless and until government gets out of marriage altogether, it remains discriminatory for the government to provide benefits to married couples and then pick and choose which couples are allowed to get married.

    May 17, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • htc

      Hey smarty pants marriage is for a man and women?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • QS

      Is that a question?

      May 17, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • Iceman6161

      Christians has caused more pain in this world than any other group in history. So we should listen to what they have to say about life. SHUT THE FUC4 UP!!!! REsearch your own book , find the paper trail, guess what there is one. Find out where they get most of their stories from, find out who they base Jesus off of " if you think Jesus was the only man to be born of a virgin then you are an azz just like i was."

      May 17, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • sjenner

      Nicely put. It would also be refreshing if a single religious conservative here could pars the difference between CIVIL and SACRAMENTAL marriage. Given their penchant for fervently insisting that they're one and the same, and on their right to use dogma to formulate policy, I suppose they'd be equally happy for a majority referendum on what their doctrines are supposed to be.

      May 17, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • jmac121

      "Christians has caused more pain in this world than any other group in history" ... really??? read history much?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Hey smarty pants marriage is for a man and women?"

      Actually that is going to be challenged. Marriage is a civil right and based on the fact that gays have been shown to be normal people they deserve that same civil rights.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
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