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Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality
What does the Bible really say about homosexuality? Readers responded to a professor's views on the issue.
May 17th, 2012
02:10 PM ET

Your Take: Rebuttals to rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality - and, by extension, same-sex marriage - right?

A guest "My Take" post we ran this week from a college psychology professor who has a background in religion (he was ordained a Roman Catholic priest, for instance) challenged that conventional wisdom.

The professor, Daniel A. Helminiak, argues that foes of same-sex marriage have assigned modern, ethics-laden meanings to biblical passages on homosexuality to make it seem like the Bible unequivocally condemns it. In fact, Helminiak proposes, the original meanings of such passages about gays are at the very least ambiguous.

The piece has generated an avalanche of response: 10,000 Facebook shares, 6,000 comments, 200 tweets and a couple of blog posts.  Giving the other side its say, here's a rebuttal roundup of critical reactions from across the Internet:

Kevin DeYoung, a conservative Christian blogger, calls Helminiak's piece "amazing for including so many bad arguments in so little space." DeYoung, who leads a Reformed Church in Michigan, challenges Helminiak's argument that the biblical tale of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't condemn homosexuality per se.

"Jude 7 states that Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities 'indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire,' " DeYoung writes.

"Even the NRSV, translation of choice for the mainline (and the version Helminiak seems to be using), says 'pursued unnatural lust,' ” he continues, referring to the New Revised Standard Version of the Bible.

"Clearly, the sins of Sodom lived in infamy not simply because of violent aggression or the lack of hospitality, but because men pursued sex with other men."

DeYoung also takes issue with our guest blogger's argument that the Greek term the New Testament writer Paul uses when describing homosexuality, para physin, has been misconstrued by modern translators to mean "unnatural." Helminiak says that the original term does not contain ethical judgment and should be translated instead as "atypical" or "unusual."

Absurd, says DeYoung. "We know Paul considered same-sex intercourse an ethical violation, and not simply something uncommon. ... (N)otice what Paul goes on to say: 'Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error' (NRSV)."

DeYoung writes, "When you read the whole verse, Helminiak’s 'nonethical' argument becomes implausible. Paul thought homosexuality not just unusual, but wrong, a sinful error deserving of a 'due penalty.' '"

On Facebook, Helminiak’s piece, "My Take: What the Bible really says about homosexuality," provoked a mix of positive and negative response. Some of the latter was very, very negative.

"The following article appeared on the front page of CNN. ... I was so grieved and troubled, I had to respond to the writer," Vince Smith wrote on his Facebook page Thursday. "This is what is most tragic and terrifying about beliefs on homosexuality in this nation.

"When you take Scripture and twist it to 'reinterpet' what it means, and then teach others, you are literally playing with fire ... eternal fire," Smith continued. "I pray that The Lord has mercy on Mr. Helminiak."

Readers' comments on the piece included much criticism, too (although there was plenty of support for Helminiak’s argument).

"Daniel's argument misses the glaringly obvious condemnation of gay sex in the Bible," writes a commenter named Mike Blackadder. "Catholics believe it is a mortal sin when it is premarital, masturbatory, and when we deny the possibility of conceiving children (i.e., through the use of contraceptives).

"Unfortunately, the faith suggests that gay sex falls under the same category as these others and if we interpret differently for gays, then we must accept a new interpretation of these other acts for the same reason," Blackadder writes. "The corollary is that if your faith accepts hetero impurities (such as contraceptives or [masturbation]) but condemns gays, then you may be rightfully accused of hypocrisy."

Many commenters avoided quibbling with Helminiak’s logic, instead taking aim at the piece's very existence.

"Why can't gays leave other people's sacred things alone?" asks a commenter named iqueue120. "Instead of redefining 'marriage,' just call your pervert juncture 'pirripipirripi.' We will grant you and your 'pirripipirripi-other' all the 'rights' that you want.

"You can write your own sacred book, call it, for instance, 'Pirripipirripible,' and make it teach how awesome is 'pirripipirripi,'" this commenter continues. "... All we ask in exchange is that you leave 'marriage' and 'Holy Bible' as they are."

On Twitter, most RTs, or retweets, endorsed the piece, but not all. "Another pastor,"  tweeted @BarbRoyal "trying to pretend the ugly parts out of the Xtian (Christian) bible. ..."

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Bible • Comments • Gay marriage

soundoff (3,580 Responses)
  1. Ray

    Marriage is between a man and woman. It's in the bible! Anything else is not from GOD!

    May 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • Observer

      Yep. And they never should get divorced unless for adultery. It doesn't matter if your spouse beats you or mistreats you in any way as long as they don't cheat on you.

      You have read the Bible, right?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • Dante

      Nonsense

      May 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • brian

      @ ray PREACH !

      May 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • Shazaam

      Well, I guess if that unsupported assertion of fact is proof enough for you then it should be good enough for anybody. Thanks for settling the issue

      May 17, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • El Lobo

      In the Bible? so is taking your children to the town center to be buried to their necks for misbehaving. Then the town elders shall drop large stones on their skulls until they are dead. You sure do know how to pick and choose your arguments.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
    • JWT

      God does not apply to all people. Marriage does to all that want it.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  2. Dante

    I am so sick of christians. We need a purge.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
  3. brian

    Where did AIDS come from then hmmm is it not the temporary punishment for gays? cmon now... and dont say a monkey

    May 17, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • Observer

      brian,

      Where did the Ten Commandment sin of adultery come from? You know God says everyone should die for that. How many Christians are going to hell?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • El Lobo

      Yeah let's ignore genetic testing results and empirical evidence that says it came from an african monkey hunter because it doesnt suit your argument. What else would we expect from someone who beleives in fairy tales?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
    • Logic

      The last time I checked, AIDS (or more specifically HIV) is a virus. It has NO moral judgement. Last time I checked even God fearing people become infected. We don’t live in the dark ages where people still believe disseizes are a judgement form God, or to make people ‘pay’ for their sins. Ignorant people should refrain from commenting.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
  4. brian

    ...And all flesh will have to know that I, Jehovah, am your Savior and your Repurchaser, the Powerful One of Jacob.”
    isa 49:26

    one day ALL will know

    May 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • El Lobo

      You are way lost dude. They wrote it to control people just like you! One day you may know true freedom, but first you have to learn to think for yourself. Stop letting an old book of fairy tales control you.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • L

      @Brian our faith is foolishness to those who don't believe. Christians should not be surprised or shocked by disagreement with what we believe. As you have a free choice to believe the BIble. Others have a free choice to not believe it. Hold fast to what you believe and be above reproach to others.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:42 pm |
    • JP0

      Circular logic will keep you locked in. No thinking required.

      May 18, 2012 at 1:06 am |
  5. gregg

    As I have said on here many times, do not impose your beliefs on me.
    Religions are the crutch of society, created by Man, to control the society of the time or to justify atrocities and aggression.
    Fear and the hope of salvation used to describe and make excuses for man's injustice to man.

    And then the Christian concept of "not man is perfect" and the free will argument.

    If there were a caring and omnipotent God he/she would not allow the things that happen in the world throughout history.
    Natural disasters, famine, flesh eating bacteria, accidents, evolution, global warming......

    May 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
  6. Ron D-

    Marriage is recognized by Christians that it is NOT a purely "Christian" activity because they have no history of objecting to atheists marrying, much less Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and others marrying.

    Christians have every right to be offended by actions they deplore, but they have no historical or contemporary right to define "marriage".

    May 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • QS

      Well said. And as I've been trying to explain to many religious people – you have every right to be offended by gay marriage, but our laws are not based on what offends others but what actually harms others. Thus, there is no rational basis for banning gay marriage as there is no evidence that gay marriage harms anything or anybody.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • Miki

      I totally agree. Well said.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      I harms the continuation of life

      May 17, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Kevin

      agree, which is why the gov't should not be in it and let individuals decide. Where would the C.Right go if all of the sudden we pulled the rug out from under them and the gov't no longer recognized the word marriage.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Kevin

      BAMA since it is proven that higher levels of industialzation and education lead to a leveling or decrease in birth rate I think we should outlaw them also. What do you think?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • steveO

      just curious if you guys know of any evidence of nambla folks actually resulting in hurting of anyone. what about bestialiy... no person is hurt in that perversity. What about polygamy... I doubt youc can find evidence of any "hurt" created by that.

      So what of those?

      The underlying issue to gay marriage is whether or not gay is disordered or not. The APA isn't the only authority.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What are you, stupid? Do you not get the concept of "informed consent"?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
  7. Kevin

    Why dont we end this all right now.
    Everyone agree to have the government ONLY recognize civil unions. If you want your relationship recognized by the gov't for legal reasons everyone must go to a gov't office and fill out the forms. IF you want to be MARRIED go to YOUR place of PERSONAL beliefs and take your vows. If I want to recognize you as MARRIED that is my choice, IF you want to recognize me as married that is YOUR choice.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • Tad

      Simple solution and I love it!! And it makes total sense to me.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • El Lobo

      sadly it's too simple for today's society.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • Logic

      Finally, a voice of reason!

      May 17, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  8. PRISM 1234

    For those who keep justifying those who practice h/mo/se/xuality and defend it saying God approves of their deeds.... ....The fact that you keep lullabying yourself does not change who God is, His nature, His character and His standard of righteousness. You've bitten the bite of satan, and swallowed it hook, line and sinker. But your sin will remain because you have gone despite the Spirit of God testifying to the truth in your own conscience which you have denied. That's what happens when people reject the truth for long time.Their hearts become numb and hardened, and God turns them over to reprobate minds. Jesus spoke much about this condition of man. But thy mobbed Him , just like you mob us who speak truth to you. He said "If they hated Me, they will hate you too". What a tragedy of human race!

    May 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Kevin

      When did you meet god?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • QS

      LMAO!

      May 17, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
    • Carl

      And the Koran says that both of us are doomed because we aren't following Islam. Neither of us is worried about that because it is obvious nonsense. The question is, why are you so gullible when you read the Christian bible?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Their hearts become numb and hardened,"

      You're the one who is numb and hardened. The experts have shown that being gay is not a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. You're a great example of what is so wrong with your cult because of your bitter judgmental attitude towards others.

      The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • Observer

      PRISM 1234,

      NO ONE has said that the Bible says that "God approves of their deeds"

      You have ignored the hypocrisy. No one believes everything in the Bible. You are just picking and choosing what you like and IGNORING all the things the Bible says that you don't agree with.

      Don't trash others by using the Bible as your EXCUSE when you don't believe everything in it either.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Tom

      Last time I checked – the Bible was written by men years before Jesus (Old Testament), and at least 30 years after Jesus was believed to have been crucified (New Testament). Unless there is a Gospel of Jesus written 25AD, I doubt God objects to who he created. Right wing screwballs like yourself are the ones messing up faith!

      May 17, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Thomas R. McCormick

      Was it Lot that slept with his daughters after the desctrution of Sodom ect.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • gregg

      How dare you try to predispose your beliefs on me or anyone else, you are just an arrogant oaf espousing your set of believes as the truth. How is this any different than a Muslim Jihadist decalring his beliefs as truths.

      I will defend with my life your and others rights to believe in whatever you chose to believe, but will fight you all the way when you attempt to impose those beliefs on others.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
    • A Servant

      Very wise indeed PRISM 1234 – The bible clearly states the the natural man thinks that the things of God are foolishness. I used to think that way to but when one finds the truth the temporal things of this world really just doesn't matter

      May 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  9. Arizona Lonnie

    Please read liviitcus chapter 18 verses 22-23. I believe this is what this dear Priest forgot to read prior to writing his openion.
    Or maybe he is one of the many Priests that likes alter boys. I will pray for Jesus to forgive him as I also ask forgivness for my many failures. God Bless one and all.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Roger

      "Please read liviitcus chapter 18 verses 22-23"

      Hey look the same lame argument again. What about the rest of Leviticus you going to follow those?

      Leviticus 19:19 says, "Do not wear clothing of different kinds of material." But surely you have worn a polyester shirt before.

      Leviticus 19:27 says, "Do not cut your hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard." Have you ever cut your hair or shaved your beard?

      Leviticus 19:33 says, "When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born."

      Leviticus 21:13 says "The woman he (a man) marries must be a virgin. He must not marry a widow, a divorced woman...".

      Have you eaten pork? Have you eaten shellfish? Do you believe that a farmer who plants two crops in one field is going to hell? Have you ever thought something bad about your parents? The Bible says that the punishment for that is to put you to death in the center of the city.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • Observer

      Arizona,

      Since you don't believe and support all of Leviticus, why not instead pray for the milllons and millions of hypocritical Christians who commit adultery by divorcing and remarrying? There's FAR FAR MORE of them than gays.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • az momma e

      "Please read liviitcus chapter 18 verses 22-23"
      it also says in this chapter that shrimp are an abomination.
      seriously, just stop being so self-righteous about the whole issue.
      you're not my god.
      i don't and won't answer to you.
      if you don't want to marry a gay person–then. don't.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  10. really?

    why do so many religious people insist that i live by their scripture?

    May 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • Tad

      Exactly! Thomas Jefferson fought years ago for Religious Freedom in Virginia and it's one of the 3 things he wanted to be remember for...he is surely rolling over in his grave about how abusiive we have become about other people's freedom.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Dave A

      because they are control freaks

      May 17, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
    • JWT

      Very few christians, relatively speaking, insist that non-christians live their lives as if they were christian. As for the rest – Complete and utter stupidity cannot be ruled out – though brainwashing may be in effect,

      May 17, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
  11. Aesop

    I love when people say things are "Clear" when referring to a multi thousand year old rewritten, retranslated, and reinterpreted series of collected stories that were heavily edited periodically to fit the political climate of the times. Remember the bible also condemns eating shellfish and shaving... maybe ... just maybe we should take these stories as just that stories and let people pursue their happiness.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:35 pm |
    • Tom

      THANK YOU!

      May 17, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • az momma e

      thank you X 2 !!!

      May 17, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  12. Brian W.

    If we are made in God's image does this not mean God is at the very least bi-curious? ...think about it.... there are so many GLBT people and why are they not made in God's image any less than I a straight man ?.....So thus God is slightly Gay...easy.. next question...

    May 17, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • JP0

      Good point!

      May 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • gregg

      Bravo, I like the argument

      May 17, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • TheTruth

      How stupid can you get. People are blind to the truth

      May 17, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • steveO

      "so many". How many would you say there are? I think it's very, very few.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And? What does the number matter?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • htc

      Hellow is any body home?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not at your house, dumbbell.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  13. JP0

    Whatever became of one of the oldest and simplest moral principles, the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

    May 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Rico

      that disappeared a long time ago my friend. now it's only discrimination if it happens to them.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:37 pm |
  14. MennoKnight

    I believe that hom ose xua lity is an unhealthy lifestyle because the number of partners is much higher than the rest of the general population.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I believe flacid mennonites are a danger to our freedoms. Any parasite is.

      Amen.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • Observer

      MennoKnight,

      Without any doubt, marriage reduces promiscuity.

      Excellent argument to support gay marriage. Well done.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I believe that hom ose xua lity is an unhealthy lifestyle because the number of partners is much higher than the rest of the general population."

      You could say the same lies about straights too. Your hatred towards gays is not founded on real facts.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      HeavenSent:
      My response to you comes from the great Theologian (WEIRD) AL YANKOVIC:
      A local boy kicked me in the butt last week
      I just smiled at him, and I turned the other cheek
      I really don't care, in fact I wish him well
      'Cause I'll be laughin' my head off when he's burnin' in hell

      And thanks, you made me laugh! 🙂

      May 17, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Weird how the phony heavensent steals my handle each time the gay issue is debated (LOL).

      May 17, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Aesop

      really? that's what you think? I see your unfounded speculation and raise you... Straight people are the only ones who commit adultery... Its that whole being the only ones who can marry thing. You're argument is ridiculous.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Aesop

      Blast see what you did there ... my English professor is rolling over in his grave right now. I must hang my head in shame.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • MennoKnight

      http://www.mbconf.ca/home/products_and_services/resources/theology/pamplet_series/hom ose xua lity_a_compassionate_yet_firm_response/

      May 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  15. HeavenSent

    Anybody else like the smell of fish across thier face?

    May 17, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Observer

      Grow up. Let the real HeavenSent speak for themself. They shouldn't let children on here.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Phony heavensent on the war path again. I wonder what's irking you this time? Could it be your conscience that God gave you?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • htc

      Hellow any body home?

      May 17, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
  16. QS

    The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't exist.

    I say – The greatest trick man ever played was convincing the world god DOES exist.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • JP0

      The devil exists in the minds of those who believe in him. He does not exist in my mind.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      JP0, how nice that you've never crossed paths with pure evil. I'm sure the survivors of evil will disagree with you.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're such a boob, HS.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm |
    • htc

      QS willingly ignorant,

      May 17, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
  17. Phil

    Since when is civil marriage made by Christians? The argument against gay marriage is 100% flawed. Atheists can get married, so can Buddhists, Satanists, Muslims, Taoists, Jews, Wicca, and any other crazy denomination. Why, then, is the Christian bigotry suddenly being allowed to infuse marriage laws? What gives?

    May 17, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Steve

      Marriage has been around many centuries before Jews or Christians. Religion really had nothing to do with marriage. It is just like the Christian holidays were not Christian before they coop'd it. This BS about God created marriage for man and woman is only religious propaganda. There were marriages in Greece prior to the year 6800 BC (Before Christ). If you take the time for the creation of the earth as put forth in the Bible, this was occurring prior to God creating this planet. Marriage (or civil unions) is a human right and a civil matter without any input from religion.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • Smarty pants

      Do these other faith's you listed screw each other in the butt hole?

      May 17, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Phil all those groups produce life

      May 17, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • htc

      Willfuly ignorant

      May 17, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
  18. MySlant

    The bible is a collection of literary works by mankind (and womankind) dealing with experiences and philosophical viewpoints as they relate to the age old quest for the highest happiness (or abolition of pain) as well as a solution to the enigma of existence. It is simply a book created a very long time ago by us humans on the subject of “GOD.” Our knowledge about the world has grown tremendously since then, particularly in the sciences. Among other things, our knowledge in the field of evolution is inconsistent with the belief of an anthropomorphic GOD. Could you imagine a million years or so in the future (if the human race is still around), when our physical form would have evolved significantly (become further refined from where it is at present), how primitive in appearance Jesus would seem. Such would be tantamount to worshiping an ape today. I personably believe that there is a spiritual underpinning to existence . While the enigma of existence is, of course, far from solved, and there is still much pain in the world, we have progressed far enough in our knowledge to know that religion does a very poor job at explaining “GOD.”

    May 17, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      MySlant, next you're going to tell us that mad scientists created all (LOL).

      May 17, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
  19. n8263

    It is immoral to impose your religious superstition on others.

    You do not believe in religion because you honestly think it is true, you believe in it because you fear mortality, seek comfort or are trying to find meaning in your life. It does not take a genius to figure out all religion is man made, so for humanity's sake, please stop lying to yourself.

    Deluding yourself in religion does not change reality. Lying to yourself is probably the worst possible way to try to find meaning.

    May 17, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • JWT

      Exactly people can recognize or believe as they will. But in the end it is all marriage,

      May 17, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • JWT

      Was meant as a reply to kevin up above.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      n8263, you deny the creator. You deny living a righteous life. You deny His truth about life and the hereafter. Now you're telling righteous folks that we're immoral because we're telling you His truth that you're going to be blotted out. No eternity for you. That's like saying if you head for that brick wall at over a 100 mph, hit it, you're not going to get hurt and your vehicle won't be damaged.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @HeavenSent

      First prove your god exists, then we can talk about the sources of your beliefs and whether they are really divinely inspired. Your little veiled threats are useless to people who don't even believe in what your talking about. Bringing up an afterlife to those who don't believe there is one is merely a way for you to feel good about your own beliefs and feel all self-righteous.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Now you're telling righteous folks that we're immoral because we're telling you His truth "

      That's why Christians had to be shown slavery was wrong, that women deserve to have the same equal rights as men. Your version of the truth has been proven wrong throughout history. This is just another example of you being proven wrong about gays.

      The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • L

      As humans we have the unique ability to chose what we believe. For some that choice embraces God, and for others it does not. To you my choices may seem irrational and delusional. To me, they are sound. The truth is not one argument we make back and forth here, is going to dissuade any of us from what we believe so strongly. I choose to believe in God and I am unapologetic about that. You may not agree. I can respect that fact without disrespecting you.

      May 17, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
  20. One one

    The bible is full of non-sense. Who cares what it says about anything ?

    May 17, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      If you believe the Bible is full of nonsense, then, you have issues you need to deal with.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Sisi

      The bible is not full of non-sense, many of the passages relate to life now and teach really great lessons (some that the world has clearly forgotten) .My take is that society is changing and starting to bend the rules to what WE think is right, which is truly sad.

      May 17, 2012 at 6:54 pm |
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