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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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Filed under: Christianity • Episcopal • Gay marriage • Opinion

soundoff (15,115 Responses)
  1. Conservative Atheist

    Hah.
    You can make the Christian case for gay marriage by ignoring large sections of the Bible.
    I don't fear gay marriage, but pretending that Christianity supports it is completely redefining Christianity.

    June 6, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
  2. ruth

    One man, one woman .....the closet door was opened and this is what happens........we should also stop women having 5,6,7,8, kids and not marrying their father and taxpayers have to pay for the 5,6,7,8 kids...these people are not dumb......and our government loves this?

    June 6, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  3. Alan

    there is no such thing as gay marriage, just another communist ploy to destabilize US society.

    June 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • joe

      Well said.

      June 6, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Primewonk

      That's going to come as a big surprise to all the states and countries where gay marriage is legal, and common. It will be a huge surprise to all the gay couples who are married.

      Why do you fundiots lie?

      June 6, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
  4. Charles

    you forgot to read the read of the story, read Romans 1:18-32.
    there is hope it is in Jesus Christ the one who died for you and me and now reigns
    Hallaulah what a Savior.

    June 6, 2012 at 3:17 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "you forgot to read the read of the story, read Romans 1:18-32."

      It's about using sex to worship a pagan god. I might help if you actually picked up a history book so you understand the context of that scripture or did you just skip over 23? LOL! It has nothing to do with the committed loving gay couple as we know and understand it today. Duh!

      June 6, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • joe

      YeahRight

      “How do you explain 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 or Romans 1:26?”
      John 8:55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I ...
      If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him ... World English Bible You have not known him, but I know him. ... Such as know not God, and obey not the gospel ...You do not know God. You do not believe the bible. The truth is not in you.

      June 6, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Charles and Joe – your story is not relevant. We are not a theocracy. Your god has no standing in our civil/secular laws. Marriage is a civil contract.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him ... World English Bible You have not known him, but I know him. ... Such as know not God, and obey not the gospel ...You do not know God. You do not believe the bible. The truth is not in you."

      I explained those scriptures in a previous post, none of them are about what we now know about gays today. Those scriptures are about male prostitution, adultery, rape, idolatry and worshiping a pagan god using sex. It does NOT discuss the loving committed long term relationship of a gay couple. Duh! You're the one who is trying to deny the real truth. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured." Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  5. Bob

    Man now I know what it felt like in the day of days of Sodom when the men of the city surrounded the house of Lot and called to Lot to bring out the men who were visitors so they can have relations with them. He even tried to give them his daughters and they wouldn't have any of the daughters. He even said please do not act wickedly I guess some things never change.

    June 6, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Bippity-Boppity-Boo

      Bob,

      Yes, and there are still some mean step-mothers who treat their step-daughters poorly too.

      June 6, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Man now I know what it felt like in the day of days of Sodom when the men of the city surrounded the house of Lot and called to Lot to bring out the men who were visitors so they can have relations with them. He even tried to give them his daughters and they wouldn't have any of the daughters. He even said please do not act wickedly I guess some things never change."

      That was about rape and has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about loving committed relationships of a gay couple. Duh!

      June 6, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  6. ImLook'nUp

    I am a Christian and have as yet to find one single Scripture verse allowing the union of man + man or a woman + woman. God specifically joins male + female. Did someone rewrite a chapter while I was sleeping? –NO! It's a political move on the masses. If it should ever come up for a vote, I will always vote for male + female as I have no need to change what God already approves of. It looks good, it reads well and lives even better.

    June 6, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • John

      "God specifically joins male + female"

      Behind this pronouncement are stereotypical definitions of masculinity and femininity that reflect rigid gender categories of patriarchal society. There is nothing unnatural about any shared love, even between two of the same gender, if that experience calls both partners to a fuller state of being. Contemporary research is uncovering new facts that are producing a rising conviction that homosexuality, far from being a sickness, sin, perversion or unnatural act, is a healthy, natural and affirming form of human sexuality for some people. Findings indicate that homosexuality is a given fact in the nature of a significant portion of people, and that it is unchangeable.

      Our prejudice rejects people or things outside our understanding. But the God of creation speaks and declares, "I have looked out on everything I have made and `behold it (is) very good'." . The word (Genesis 1:31) of God in Christ says that we are loved, valued, redeemed, and counted as precious no matter how we might be valued by a prejudiced world.

      There are few biblical references to homosexuality. The first, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, is often quoted to prove that the Bible condemns homosexuality. But the real sin of Sodom was the unwillingness of the city's men to observe the laws of hospitality. The intention was to insult the stranger by forcing him to take the female role in the sex act. The biblical narrative approves Lot's offer of his virgin daughters to satisfy the sexual demands of the mob. How many would say, "This is the word of the Lord"? When the Bible is quoted literally, it might be well for the one quoting to read the text in its entirety.

      Leviticus, in the Hebrew Scriptures, condemns homosexual behaviour, at least for males. Yet, "abomination", the word Leviticus uses to describe homosexuality, is the same word used to describe a menstruating woman. Paul is the most quoted source in the battle to condemn homosexuality ( 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 and Romans 1: 26-27). But homosexual activity was regarded by Paul as a punishment visited upon idolaters by God because of their unfaithfulness. Homosexuality was not the sin but the punishment.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Paul gave a list of those who would not inherit the Kingdom of God. That list included the immoral, idolaters, adulterers, sexual perverts, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, and robbers. Sexual perverts is a translation of two words; it is possible that the juxtaposition of malakos, the soft, effeminate word, with arsenokoitus, or male prostitute, was meant to refer to the passive and active males in a homosexual liaison.

      Thus, it appears that Paul would not approve of homosexual behavior. But was Paul's opinion about homosexuality accurate, or was it limited by the lack of scientific knowledge in his day and infected by prejudice born of ignorance? An examination of some of Paul's other assumptions and conclusions will help answer this question. Who today would share Paul's anti-Semitic attitude, his belief that the authority of the state was not to be challenged, or that all women ought to be veiled? In these attitudes Paul's thinking has been challenged and transcended even by the church! Is Paul's commentary on homosexuality more absolute than some of his other antiquated, culturally conditioned ideas?

      Three other references in the New Testament (in Timothy, Jude and 2 Peter) appear to be limited to condemnation of male sex slaves in the first instance, and to showing examples (Sodom and Gomorrah) of God's destruction of unbelievers and heretics (in Jude and 2 Peter respectively).

      That is all that Scripture has to say about homosexuality. Even if one is a biblical literalist, these references do not build an ironclad case for condemnation. If one is not a biblical literalist there is no case at all, nothing but prejudice born of ignorance, that attacks people whose only crime is to be born with an unchangeable sexual predisposition toward those of their own sex

      June 6, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Your search for scripture is irrelevant because we are not a theocracy.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • ImLook'nUp

      @ John

      I stand to reason that you can't go wrong with the male + female project because God states it as fact in so many ways. The man + man or woman + woman thing does not and never will have the same support.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The man + man or woman + woman thing does not and never will have the same support."

      It is getting support especially from the hundreds of thousands of experts that have proven the Christian community is getting it wrong – AGAIN, when it comes to civil rights. LOL!

      June 6, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • ImLook'nUp

      @ YeahRight/OD'y

      There aren't hundreds and thousands of experts out there who are proving God wrong. God states a man and woman are to be joined. It's that simple.

      June 6, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "There aren't hundreds and thousands of experts out there who are proving God wrong. God states a man and woman are to be joined. It's that simple."

      The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 6, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Arvoasitis

      Sorry, I accidentally clicked on "Report abuse."
      What I really wanted to say is that you've hit upon a very interesting point. Christian morality operates between two poles, At one is the belief that what is not permitted in the Bible is not allowed. The other is that what is not disallowed in the Bible is permitted. This allows considerable freedom but seems to make some situations morally ambiguous.

      June 6, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • ImLook'nUp

      @YeahRight,

      I can fall asleep and wake up to find the word of God still prevails! It remains: male + female.

      June 6, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I can fall asleep and wake up to find the word of God still prevails! It remains: male + female."

      LOL! That's why gay marriage is already legal in some states and countries. LOL!

      June 7, 2012 at 10:52 am |
  7. Ron

    Like I said, Gays will twist everything that is printed or said to try and make thier lifestyle seem appropriate, If God himself came to earth right now and said it was wrong, The gays would say he was outdated and didn't understand modern thinking, My father always told me when a person speaks to hard and loud about thier innocence, chances are, they are guilty!! Me thinketh The gays protest to loud and to often, They know the truth!!!

    June 6, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • ThyMdeMeDoIt

      And what would you say if God came to earth right now and said YOU were wrong? Also, you are doing a great job proving your father's theory.

      June 6, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Like I said, Gays will twist everything that is printed or said to try and make thier lifestyle seem appropriate, If God himself came to earth right now and said it was wrong, The gays would say he was outdated and didn't understand modern thinking, My father always told me when a person speaks to hard and loud about thier innocence, chances are, they are guilty!! Me thinketh The gays protest to loud and to often, They know the truth!!!"

      You don't understand the real truth about gays and that is the issue!!!!!!! The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured." Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 6, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Primewonk

      " If God himself came to earth right now and said it was wrong, The gays would say he was outdated and didn't understand modern thinking, "

      I would ask your god the same thing I ask you fundiots – Give me the scientific evidence that being born gay is wrong, or immoral. Or, give me the scientific evidence that gays choose to be gay.

      You know, the same things you ignorant fundiots refuse to answer. I'll go on record as saying that your god's answers will be the same as yours, because your version of a god is just as s ientifically ignorant as you are.

      June 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  8. Primewonk

    Ron appears to be yet another ignorant, fundiot, hômophobic, môron who is unable to understand that you don't have to be gay to support gay rights.

    I wonder why Ron purposefully chooses to be ignorant about so many things?

    June 6, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Ron

      oooohh, a closet gay???

      June 6, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Ron

      GAY RIGHTS, whats gay rights? wher in our legal system since the beginning of time has there been laws stating anything about gay rights, gays people have only recently climbed out of thier hole s and started screeming about gay rights, THERE AREN"T ANY RIGHTS, ONLY A FEW LAWS PASSED BY A COULPE OF POLITICIANS WHO ARE LOOKING FOR RE-ELECTION. geezz!!

      June 6, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "GAY RIGHTS, whats gay rights? "

      It's about their civil right to get married. The U S Supreme court ruled that marriage is a civil right when they lifted the ban on biracial marriage. Duh!

      June 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  9. Ron

    Then can you explain to me why God created man and woman, and didn't create two men and then man and woman? Seems to me that his plan was for a man and a woman to be together and populate the earth!

    June 6, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Then can you explain to me why God created man and woman, and didn't create two men and then man and woman? Seems to me that his plan was for a man and a woman to be together and populate the earth!"

      That's why homosexuality has been found in over 1500 other species. So based on your lame argument then your god shouldn't have created sterile women and men too. LMAO!

      June 6, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • charlie

      If god created a man and a woman then what are all these other people doing on our planet? Get off now. You are trespassing.

      June 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • just sayin

      Ron

      Then can you explain to me why God created man and woman, and didn't create two men and then man and woman? Seems to me that his plan was for a man and a woman to be together and populate the earth!

      ---

      Please tell me you really are not that stupid?

      June 6, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • SweetGenius

      Bingo Ron!!!! Haven't seen two male whales at it yet!!!

      June 6, 2012 at 7:12 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @Ron and SweetGenius

      Prove god exists first, then it can be debated what he did and didn't "create".

      June 7, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  10. Ron

    I think tom tom sneeks out with her gay friends and has , shall we say a real good time? That why she like them!!!

    June 6, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "sneaks", bonehead. Go back to class. I have lots of gay friends; I am straight, but unlike you, I'm not narrow. Or stupid.

      June 7, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
  11. Ron

    Basically what you are saying is that no matter how hard we try, , evil is evil and we must accept it, We can't stop it so we must accept It, I don't care how many times gays say it is not there ,it is, it says in the Bible that " If a man lays with another man as he lays with a woman, they shall surely die" Say what you will, that speaks of gays! You can dress it up all you want to, the Bible says its wrong!!!

    June 6, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Janet

      The Biblical condemnation of homosexuality is based on human ignorance, suspicion of those who are different, and an overwhelming concern for ensuring the survival of the people. Since the Bible regards homosexuality as a capital crime, it clearly assumes that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, a deliberate rebellion against God. We have learned from modern science that people do not choose to be gay or straight; hence it is neither logical nor moral to condemn those whose nature it is to be gay or lesbian.

      June 6, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Jeannine

      Ron, The Scriptures were written approximately 2000 or more years ago when there was no knowledge of constitutional homosexuality. The Scripture writers believed that all people were naturally heterosexual so that they viewed homosexuality activity as unnatural. Women today are pointing out that the inferiority of women expressed in the scriptures was a product of culture and the times in which the Bible was written; it should not be followed today, now that we are beginning to appreciate the natural and God-given equality of men and women.

      Similarly, as we know that homosexuality is just as natural and God-given as heterosexuality, we realize that the Biblical injunctions against homosexuality were conditioned by the attitudes and beliefs about this form of sexual expression which were held by people without benefit of centuries of scientific knowledge and understanding.

      It is unfair of us to expect or impose a twentieth century mentality and understanding about equality of genders, races and sexual orientations on the Biblical writers. We must be able to distinguish the eternal truths the Bible is meant to convey from the cultural forms and attitudes expressed there.

      June 6, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Melvin

      The Scriptures at no point deal with homosexuality as an authentic sexual orientation, a given condition of being. The remarkably few Scriptural references to "homosexuality" deal rather with homosexual acts, not with homosexual orientation. Those acts are labeled as wrong out of the context of the times in which the writers wrote and perceived those acts to be either nonmasculine, idolatrous, exploitative, or pagan. The kind of relationships between two consenting adults of the same sex demonstrably abounding among us - relationships that are responsible and mutual, affirming and fulfilling - are not dealt with in the Scriptures..

      June 6, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Ron, Leviticus was written about 1400 BCE – almost 3500 years ago. It is based on oral stories handed down for generations. By itinerant stone/bronze age shepherds.

      Please post for us a link to a site that shows the shepherds had a scientific understanding of human sèxual orientation. Otherwise, your musing about gay folks being evil or sinners is worth exactly as much as the free bibles these lies are printed in.

      June 6, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Bob

      Where are the scripture to back up what you say I havent seen any that said to discount what it says, but we do know that it says omosxualty is wrong

      June 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "but we do know that it says omosxualty is wrong"

      No it doesn't and that's the point, the writers of that time period did not understand that heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. All mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Plus the few scriptures you are using to try and prove it's wrong are about male prostitution, idolatry, worshiping a pagan god using sex and rape. They have nothing to do with the loving committed relationships of gay couples of today. Duh!

      June 6, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • JustaNormalPerson

      Ron, if we accept your basic premise then that means slavery is ok. The bible says slavery is ok therefore God likes slavery. Do you want to make slavery legal again since God likes slavery? If you truely believe what you say then you have to say yes.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  12. Stan

    Thank you Mark, for a very intelligent and compassionate article. Honestly, you are the first religious person I've ever read, outside of the words of Christ, who has exhibited such deep understanding of biblical heart.
    I will remember your thoughts and ideas around the issue you discuss.
    Unfortunately, I also read some of the responses to your article, which show exactly what your argument presents.
    How do you get past the bigotry and hatred that drips from every word of some of these comments? How can people think that they are being "Christian", when they judge others so harshly, and pretend that they know what Gay people think and feel and want? It's amazing.

    June 6, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • Ron

      Since when is what we want importent in God great scheme of things, He has a plan and like sodom and gammorroa gay are not in it!!!

      June 6, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • ThyMdeMeDoIt

      @ Ron: I have a feeling you are not part of that "plan" either.

      June 6, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "He has a plan and like sodom and gammorroa gay are not in it!!!"

      Sodom and Gomorrah was about rape, adultery and bad hospitality, it had NOTHING to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. You obviously don't know your bible.

      June 6, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  13. TSB8C

    Gay marriage has nothing to do with 'marriage equality' or so-called freedom of choice. It's all about getting access to the government pie. Gays want to be able to file tax returns as married couples and get the same tax treatment, survivor rights, SS benefits, etc. They claim it's about expressing their form of love and so forth, but a marriage certificate is not required for that. It is required to get benefits and that is the root of this evil. But if you believe all that crap about 'marriage equality' then you have to also support the same 'equality' for other marriage definitions like polygamy, polyamory, etc.

    June 6, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • Primewonk

      Can you explain why you think gay couples having the same rights as straight couples is a bad thing?

      June 6, 2012 at 10:49 am |
  14. Leigh

    1 Corinthians 6:9&10 In the Last Days Critical times hard to deal with will be here. TV, Movies, Newspapers, Books and Video games display Immorality,Crime & Violence for peoples entertainment. This ungoldy world has raised a generation of children who have no morals. Thankfully soon, Jehovah God's KIngdom that I pray for at Matthew 6:9 & 10 will come & God's will (not man's will) shall be done on earth. Then we wil have a beautiful paradise earth with righteousness & peace, something that man will NEVER do. Psalms 37:10 & 11, Matthew 5:5, Reveleation 21:3,4. He that endures to the end, will be saved. Matt 24:13

    June 6, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • YeahRight

      ". This ungoldy world has raised a generation of children who have no morals. "

      That's the lie you have to tell yourself so you can justifiy your prejudice and bigotry toward the gay community. The Christians that came to America murdered the Native Americans and stole their land, kidnapped and enslaved the African Americans, denied African Americans and women their civil right till recently. If anything this country is slowly becoming mor moral. Gays and lesbians deserve their civil rights in marriage to protect their familes, just like straights do! The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 6, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • YeahRight

      "1 Corinthians 6:9&10 "

      Has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. The word homosexual was added later to that text the original scripture was talking about male prostitution and adultery. Duh!

      June 6, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • myweightinwords

      The most moral children I know right now are the product of a polyamorous family that includes bi.s.e.xual and gay parents.

      Those kids, ranging in age now from around 7 to 21, all volunteer at the local food bank, take turns checking on elderly neighbors and visiting with them, have straight As in school, mind their parents, are polite to strangers, and are the first to volunteer to help.

      June 6, 2012 at 10:34 am |
  15. Bob

    When Jesus cast out demons there was never discussion with them they come from their father who is the father of all lies in him there is no truth so why argue? There are some who are still on milk that dont understand that we are created in Gods image that could be influenced by wrong teaching and never come to the fullness of their relationship in Christ this is what is important. The wisdom of the world is foolishness to God set your mind and heart to know God and want spiritual gifts. God knows that we need this and gives us good gifts He is our loving Father. If you are having a hard time then like the woman with the issue of Blood persist till you get what you came for what you accepted the Lord for. He has not changed it is not a problem with power it is a heart problem. The Spirit of truth will reveal all truth to you and you will miss the trap of the enemy.

    June 6, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • YeahRight

      "The Spirit of truth will reveal all truth to you and you will miss the trap of the enemy."

      You don't understand the REAL truth about gays, which is why there are now thousands of gay churches, gay clergy along with many pastors, nuns and rabbis going on record stating that being gay as we know and understand it today is NOT a sin. Duh! Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 6, 2012 at 10:33 am |
    • Bob

      What can wash away all sin nothing but the blood of Jesus
      What can make me whole again nothing but the blood of Jesus
      Oh precious is the flow that makes me white as snow
      No other fount I know nothing but the blood of Jesus
      Thank you Lord for your mercy and might that you protect those that love you and hear your people when they pray

      June 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "What can wash away all sin nothing but the blood of Jesus"

      Being gay is NOT a sin since part of sexual orientation is biological. Being gay is not a choice, it's not a mental illness and it can't be voluntarily changed. The experts have said that to try and convert a gay person is dangerous.

      June 6, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  16. Bob

    The author of this article is also confused about accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, the baptism in water and the baptism of the Holy Spirit. These are not one event they are 3 separate events,milestones in Christian lives. We can also say that none happen without the urging of the Holy Spirit in our lives who is with us even when we are not saved. We could not even know God unless He had called us first. Jesus said its good I go the Father will send the Comforter this is the Holy Spirit. Jesus ministry didn't start till He was Baptized with the Holy Spirit He was a man but the Holy Spirit is the power of God to Him and all of us who come after Him. The acceptance of Jesus as Lord and for the water Baptism is for all those that have been moved in their hearts by the Holy Spirit to accept Jesus as Lord. Not one step is man either accepting or denying anyone to know who Jesus is not one. The most powerful thing we have is our will God will not violate it and satan cannot. This is why the insults here, if we give in and agree then we used our wills to agree with the enemy and will bring that end to pass what ever that may be. There is no agreement with the enemy its called compromise and its never a good result. Do you think Jesus when he was praying and blood was coming down off His face was not struggling with the enemy have we done the same?WE find out how easily we get influenced by satan when Jesus sitting at the table talking to Perter said get behind me satan you set your interest on mans not Gods.

    June 6, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • YeahRight

      There is a whole lists of abominations in your bible; Unclean things (Lev. 7:21) ; Cheating (Mic. 6:10) ; A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17) ; A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22) ; Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17) ; A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18) ; A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19) ; A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19) ; A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1) ; The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5) ; Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15) ; Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15) ; Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9) ; Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5) Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4) ; Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16) ; Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15) ; Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17) ; Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13) ; Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13) .

      Now it's your turn to use your prejudice and bigotry against all the people that violate these and work on denying their civil rights as well. But....we all know your not going to do that because you're a hypocrite.

      June 6, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  17. DS

    How do you explain 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 or Romans 1:26?

    June 5, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      How do you?

      June 5, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
    • YeahRight

      “How do you explain 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 or Romans 1:26?”

      1 Corinthians 6:9

      A prejudice scribe added the word homosexual to that scripture later. The experts proved that what was written about gays in the past were done by bias and prejudice people, that includes your bible. So that scripture had NOTHING to do with gays as we know and understand it today. Most theologians would say it was more about male prostitution.

      1 Timothy 1:10

      Again, a prejudice scribes added the word homosexual later and if you look at the real definition of fornicator it’s about adultery. Fornicate = to have sex with someone who you are not married to. This scripture has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today.

      Romans 1:26

      Now do your due diligence and look at 1:23 it has to do with Roman culture and worshiping a pagan god using sex. It has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today.

      Nowhere in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving long term relationsiop of a gay couple as we know and understand it today. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      June 6, 2012 at 11:44 am |
  18. Bob

    Dr Fred Berlin acknowledged that it was political activism similar to that witnessed at the conference rather than scientific considerations that successfully led to the declassification of hmxuality as a mental disorder. The reason it was taken out of the DSM is that people didnt want the government in the bedroom. He said groups like b4u act implore peds are just misunderstood community members. It is society structures on ad/child sx that are at issue and judgmental manuals like the DSM are a large part of the problem. Hence the push by peds to remove ped from the DSM

    June 5, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Dr Julie L

      Unfortunately this is true. There are groups that have been working quietly for years in many nations to make ped legal at one level or another

      June 5, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're a doctor? And that's your name? Uh-huh. And I'm Queen Elizabeth II.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:41 pm |
    • Wisdom

      I'm sure you have lots of personalities and the outfits to go with them Tomzy, but this is serious business.

      June 5, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Not if you're involved, Cletus.

      June 5, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
  19. Arvoasitis

    Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son: Just that unless there is is complete restructuring of the economy, all roads lead to polygamy or something much worse. I now see "gay" marriage as a logical stepping-stone to polygamy and a future in which parents are not constantly under physical exhaustion, mental turmoil, financial stress and forced to abandon their children in a struggle to make ends meet. (I thought there would never be a compelling argument for "gay" marriage but perhaps I have finally stumbled upon it myself).

    June 5, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You've 'stumbled' all right. You've fallen flat on your stupid face.

      June 5, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • steakman

      Good Point Arv!!! Po-lygamy is one topic no one wants to address on these blogs???? You need a triple X vomit bag to watch that show on TV where the guy has 5 wives!!! Should these people be allowed to marry??? NO NO NO

      June 5, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • Hotpepper

      Tom Tom the pic at the top of page has two brides.....are you the one on the right? She looks a bit grumpier

      June 5, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Hotpepper

      Tom Tom you are a doughhead....flour and water above the neck. Bob is the messenger and he actually has interesting comments – but whatever he writes is attacked by Team Bitter – instead of agreeing with Bob that these people should be stopped. Tommy can we all agree here that peds should be in j-ail??

      June 5, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor ignorant Hot P00p. She thinks that one must be gay to care about gay rights. Hey Po0per, I have news for you: I'm straight, I'm female, and I've been married to the same incredible man for 33 years. I have many gay friends and they're all far more intelligent than you'll ever be.

      Get a clue, Princess: your days as some sort of authority are.. oh, wait. My bad. You never HAD any authority or any clout.

      Never mind, honey. No one cares about your feelings.

      June 5, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Hotpepper

      Yes Tomette I can see it now.....you with a yellow mohawk and a pink dress and whiskers....and your husband that you yell at – when not blogging.....poor guy

      June 6, 2012 at 1:12 am |
  20. Bob

    The same group APA that helped to take the omoexuals off the list is the same group that wants to legalize pedphila

    June 5, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're lying. It makes the Baby Jesus cry.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Sources, or you're just being stupid bob.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • Really-O?

      He's just being stupid.

      June 5, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Has he ever been otherwise?

      June 5, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Hotpepper

      That should make these doughheads sick....and they should be able to say – Wow that is disgusting if true....but no they want to hurt the messenger

      June 5, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What, pray tell, are doughheads, HotP00per? What purpose would a straight, married woman have in attempting to "hurt the messenger"?

      June 5, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Wisdom

      What a surprise, how shocking...not!!!

      June 5, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your mother is the one who's shocked, Wizzpoop.

      June 5, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The same group APA that helped to take the omoexuals off the list is the same group that wants to legalize pedphila"

      Cite your source on this statement. Who wants to be we won't get it. Duh! Lying is a sin and you can't even follow your own rule book.

      June 6, 2012 at 10:39 am |
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