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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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  1. Bob

    One of the best scientific ways to prove the bible and God is through prophecy that comes true this is only one of many.
    In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah. The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history. Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 10 to the 5th power. How would anyone explain this one fact of coming true and this is only one of many Bible prophesies that have come true.

    June 13, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ahhh, Bob, there you are! Now, where are those "old studies" you mentioned? You've been looking for them for hours! I'm sure you wouldn't have come back here without them. Because then you'd be outed as a complete liar.

      June 13, 2012 at 10:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bob?

      June 13, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      YOOO HOOOO, oh Bo-ob?

      June 13, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Douglas

      Celibate gay/lesbian relations bring no condemnation upon the individual because they are
      consistent with Biblical instruction. GLBTQ folks practicing celibacy should be respected and
      honored.
      Best,
      Douglas

      June 14, 2012 at 2:04 am |
    • JWT

      There is nothing with non-celibate gay relationships either. If you don't like it yourself don't do it.

      June 14, 2012 at 6:54 am |
  2. Bob

    Without the biased sarcasm it was pretty good. Id like to know how much research you have done to establish that God doesn't hear everyone all the time. You made a statement so how do you back it up? Science boy.
    One of the most fascinating things is the design and building of the temple that went with the children of Israel that God gave Moses exact dimensions for. God even told Moses what to build each layer out of and what to make in different metals and if you do the research you begin to discover how detailed God is. Becasue its not only why He used the materials, because each material represented something as well as its placement and design also being important and representing the Kingdom of God along with Christs atoning power. So the whole story is told in the building of the Temple. Its not only a temple but a story and prophecy and laws and the very structure on how we are figured into the Kingdom of God. I dare you to research it. I cant imagine how to explain God to someone who has no desire to know Him much less has the ability to see beyond his own small world.

    June 13, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
  3. Dave

    A few questions should help shed light on the relationship between religion and rational thought.

    The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the field of:

    (a) Children’s fairytales;

    (b) Medieval mythology;

    (c) New age pseudo science; or

    (d) Christianity

    You are about 70% likely to believe the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with only one man, one woman and a talking snake if you are a:

    (a) historian;

    (b) geologist;

    (c) NASA astronomer; or

    (d) Christian

    I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am

    (a) a delusional schizophrenic;

    (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly

    (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or

    (d) your average Christian

    I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am

    (a) A gifted psychologist

    (b) A well respected geneticist

    (c) A highly educated sociologist

    (d) A Christian with the remarkable ability to ignore inconvenient facts.

    Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:

    (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;

    (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;

    (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or

    (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.

    I believe that an all powerful being, capable of creating the entire cosmos watches me have $ex to make sure I don't do anything "naughty". I am

    (a) A victim of child molestation

    (b) A r.ape victim trying to recover

    (c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions

    (d) A Christian

    The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:

    (a) Architecture;

    (b) Philosophy;

    (c) Archeology; or

    (d) Religion

    What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:

    (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they are morally obliged to believe on pain of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;

    (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “there is a composite god comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;

    (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas religion is regional and a person’s religious conviction, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than an accident of birth; or

    (d) All of the above.

    If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:

    (a) a deep psychiatric issue;

    (b) an irrational fear or phobia;

    (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or

    (d) my religious belief.

    Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free and my own salary is also tax free, at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am

    (a) A sleazy Wall Street banker

    (b) A mafia boss

    (c) A drug pusher; or

    (d) A Catholic Priest, Protestant Minister or Jewish Rabbi.

    What do the following authors all have in common – Jean Paul Sartre, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, John Milton, John Locke, and Blaise Pascal:

    (a) They are among the most gifted writers the World has known;

    (b) They concentrated on opposing dogma and opening the human mind and spirit to the wonders of free thought and intellectual freedom;

    (c) They were intimidated by the Catholic Church and put on the Church’s list of prohibited authors; or

    (d) All of the above.

    The AIDS epidemic will kill tens of millions in poor African and South American countries before we defeat it. Condoms are an effective way to curtail its spread. As the Pope still has significant influence over the less educated masses in these parts of the World, he has exercised this power by:

    (a) Using some of the Vatican’s incomprehensible wealth to educate these vulnerable people on health family planning and condom use;

    (b) Supporting government programs that distribute condoms to high risk groups;

    (c) Using its myriad of churches in these regions to distribute condoms; or

    (d) Scaring people into NOT using condoms, based upon his disdainful and aloof view that it is better that a person die than go against the Vatican’s position on contraceptive use.

    June 13, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
  4. Felix El Gato

    I am a Christian. I think it should be legal for two adult U.S. citizens to get married in this country. If they can find a church willing to along, so much the better.

    June 13, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Lorraine Voss

      Gay is not accepted in the book of remembrance; its true named, and was taught to us in Malachi 3v16, not at all. It is considered an abomination, but just as a liar, a thief, nor a murder, or an adulterer, or perversions, can be entered into the kingdom of righteousness, and peace, the gays cannot be judged no more than the rest of these sinners, wrong doers, only YHWH the King will have the final say so of all that is right, or wrong, therefore until then, all those who are made of flesh, and blood will just have to check in the mirror each day, and ask themselves, that are they at all perfect? To be married gay may as well be added to the laws of man, as if any of the others has done us any good in this world, especially the minorities. And all this too will be judged by YHWH in His day of vengeance, in Isaiah 34v8. Yes let them experience the fate of divorce like everyone else who has, it’s not all that anymore anyhow, who truly honors it? Not many do these days.

      June 13, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • JWT

      You have it right felix – the moral thing to do.

      June 13, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
  5. Jack

    Hello everyone. If you have some time, please visit my web site... thestarofkaduri.com

    June 13, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
  6. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Why do you continue to post inanities, Bob, and ignore the opportunity to prove your case?

    Or are you in reality a proponent of gay marriage?

    June 13, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • JWT

      He's a troll. Anything to make drama.

      June 13, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  7. Bob

    Ok so Jerry Sandusky is he gay a ped

    June 13, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Are you 14?

      June 13, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Good grief, could you be more clueless ?

      June 13, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  8. YeahRight

    "So you want me to believe your scientists but you dont want to believe mine and call me a liar."

    Oh you mean all the hundreds of thousands of experts that you have no proof of disputing since it hasn't been disputed in 30 years. LMAO

    Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    June 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Erik

      You can add to that the 24,000 members of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. http://www.aamft.org/imis15/Content/About_AAMFT/About_AAMFT.aspx

      June 13, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "You can add to that the 24,000 members of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. http://www.aamft.org/imis15/Content/About_AAMFT/About_AAMFT.aspx"

      I'll have to check that out at some point but I am using a direct quote from the bullying information they have out on gays. They are fighting hard to educated people on this subject to try and deter what is happening to people in schools and colleges. As the saying goes prejudice is based on fear and ignorance.

      June 13, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  9. YeahRight

    "So you want me to believe your scientists but you dont want to believe mine and call me a liar. "

    You have produced one shred of evidence which is why you are a liar and a TROLL on this site. LMAO.

    * In 1993, the National Institute of Health’ Dean Hamer illustrated that homosexuality might be inherited from the mother by her sons through a specific region of the X chromosome (Xq28). Hamer demonstrated this by noting that 33 out of 40 pairs of homosexual brothers whom he studied showed the same variation in the tip of the chromosome.

    - Hamer DH, Hu S, Magnuson VL, Hu N. and Pattatucci AML. A linkage between DNA markers on the X chromosome and male sexual orientation. Science 1993; 261:320-326.

    * A June 2006 Canadian study published in the journal, “Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences,” said that nature, instead of nurture, explains the origins of homosexuality. The study’ author, Prof. Anthony F. Bogaert, at Brock University in Ontario, explored the causes behind what is known as the fraternal birth order. The research showed a correlation between the number of biological older brothers a man has and his sexual orientation. Dividing his sample of more than 900 heterosexual and homosexual men into four groups, Bogaert examined the impact of all types of older brothers, including step and adopted siblings, and the amount of time brothers spent together while growing up.His research found that only the number of biological brothers had an impact on sexuality, regardless of whether the boys were raised together.

    - Bogaert, A.F. 2006. Biological versus nonbiological older brothers and men’s sexual orientation. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences 103 July 11 2006.

    * A study released in May 2006 by Swedish scientists demonstrates that biology plays a key role in determining a person’ sexuality. The research shows that the portion of the brain that helps regulate sexuality — the hypothalamus – reacted the exact same way in straight women and gay men when exposed to male pheromones, which are chemicals designed to provoke a behavior, such as sexual arousal. The same area of the brain only became stimulated in heterosexual men when introduced to female pheromones.

    - by Ivanka Savic article in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, (PNAS) “Brain Response To Putative Pheromones In Homosexual Men,” (Vol. 102 No. 19) May 10, 2005.

    * In 2005, Dr. Brian Mustanski of the University of Illinois at Chicago published a study in the esteemed biomedical journal Human Genetics, claiming he identified three chromosomal regions linked to sexual orientation in men: 7q36, 8p12 and 10q26.

    - “A Genomewide Scan of Male Sexual Orientation”, Human Genetics, Vol. 116, No. 4, pp. 272-278, 2005.

    * In 2003, University of Texas psychoacoustics specialist Dennis McFadden found that when measuring the way the brain reacts to sound, lesbians fell in between heterosexual men and straight women, suggesting they might be exposed to higher than normal levels of male hormone in utero.

    - Loehlin, John C.; McFadden, David. “Otoacoustic emissions, auditory evoked potentials, and traits related to sex and sexual orientation”. Archives of Sexual Behavior. 1 April 2003.

    * In 2003, University of Liverpool biologist John T. Manning found that the lesbians whom he studied have a hand pattern that resembles a man’ more than a straight female’. Manning concluded from his study that this “strongly tells us that female homosexuals have had higher levels of exposure to testosterone before birth.”

    - Neave, N., Laing, S., Fink, B., Manning, J.T (2003) Second to fourth digit ratio, testosterone, and perceived male dominance. Proceedings of the Royal Society B (Lond), 270, 2167-2172.

    * A 1991 study by Dr. Simon LeVay found that a specific region of the hypothalamus is twice as large in heterosexual men as it is in women or gay men. This strongly points the role of biology in sexual orientation.

    - Levay, Simon “A difference in hypothalamic structure between homosexual and heterosexual men” Science. 1991 Volume 253, Issue 5023, pp. 1034-1037.

    * Another 1991 study by scientists Richard Pillard and John M. Baily studied homosexuality among brothers and found that 53 percent of identical twins were both gay. In adoptive brothers, 11 percent were both homosexual. Of non-twin biological siblings, 9 percent were gay. Again, this points to solid evidence that homosexuality is a matter of nature.

    - Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48, 1089-1096.

    Thanks for allowing me to post the real facts over and over again to prove your unfounded prejudice and bigotry towards this minority group. LMAO!

    June 13, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  10. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    I think Bob may actually be trolling because he is a supporter of gay marriage and is simply posting the most ridiculous possible nonsense to create some sort of response.

    What a moron.

    June 13, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  11. Bob

    So you want me to believe your scientists but you dont want to believe mine and call me a liar. Im sure you are qualified what a joke I dont want to drink the coolaid your offering me. I know what has been done for me thats a fact I know where immorality leads society thats a fact and I have seen more of the gay community both good and bad and make the decisions for myself.

    June 13, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yet you cannot or will not even post a single truthful answer when you are asked to explain how, exactly, what 3% of the population does in their bedrooms affects you, or how gay marriage has any impact on a sing aspect of your life.

      Thanks for proving yet again that you're just a troll, and not one with a lick of sense or education.

      June 13, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Jen

      Where are your studies from Bob?? Even you can admit that studies done by such organizations as the Family Research Council don't qualify as legitimate scientific studies correct?

      You say you have seen the gay community. What does that mean? How many family members and friends do you have that are gay? I have family and friends that are gay and can confirm they are NO different than me. I don't ask them what they do in the bedroom just like I don't ask my hetero friends what they do in their bedrooms.

      June 13, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • TC

      Well, there is no "gay society", since all gay folks lead the same variaty of lifestyles that straight folks lead, So I'm a little confused as to what you base your knowledge on.

      Are you trying to say that you personally know hundreds of gay folks from all walks life, and all ages, religions, and socieo-economic groups, and have made your personal observations based on this data?

      June 13, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
  12. Bob

    Oh I was bullied as a kid and am not gay so whats up with that? Of course once I learned to stand up for myself then its funny how that all disappeared. But now we have to make laws and have the courts involved and kids have to be diagnosed put on drugs and told their not normal partly because they dont understand how to act. We have to have hate laws to protect gays

    June 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So what?

      June 13, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • TC

      Were you bullied for weeks and even years on end? Bullied in school, outside of school, and on the internet? Ifo so, It might explain why you came out as you did, and you then become the poster boy for anti0bullying laws.

      June 13, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
  13. Bob

    Ok so if I look to you for all the answers why did they discount all the older studies,what was the criteria change that put the gays off the DSM and although you want me to acknowledge that all the experts agree that being gay is not a problem I have seen to many so called experts kill people make wrong decisions have train wreck lives and still dont know what changed from all the old studies till now. Also why did it have to be done in Sanfransico? The gay capital of the US.

    June 13, 2012 at 12:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why do people no longer believe that infections are caused by bad humours in the blood, Bob? Why do we know longer assume the world is flat? That the sun revolves around the earth?

      Why don't you READ the studies for yourself? Why don't you look for information that isn't posted by ridiculous organizations like Narth and Focus on the Family? Why don't you grow up and get an education?

      June 13, 2012 at 12:05 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-frank-same-s3x-regnerus-family-20120613,0,392991.story

      June 13, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Bob – still waiting for you to post the citations.

      June 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      That makes two of us.

      June 13, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Gee, Bob, it's taking you an awfully long time to find those studies and post the cites. Maybe your pals "YellowFeather" and "Sweet Genius" can help you out.

      June 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  14. YeahRight

    "No actually what you are doing is saying all the studies which are favorable to your point of view. Omission is lying"

    LMAO! It's all the major organizations in our country that are saying that, there is NO omission. LMAO! The only thing I have omitted it the other world organizations that also believe the same as our experts. Duh.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    It's because of the lying of people like you that the experts made this joint statement because the lies that are being told is trickling down into the schools and causing the bullying that is happening, which is also immoral! DUUUHHHH!

    June 13, 2012 at 11:57 am |
  15. Bob

    No actually what you are doing is saying all the studies which are favorable to your point of view. Omission is lying

    June 13, 2012 at 11:46 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why don't you produce some evidence for YOUR point of view, Bob? Why don't you cite any studies using widely-accepted sources that prove anything you've claimed? Can you? Will they be less than 10 years old? Don't bother with the Bible, since it is not a valid source of facts.

      June 13, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Primewonk

      Bob wrote, "No actually what you are doing is saying all the studies which are favorable to your point of view. Omission is lying"

      Here's the thing Bob – Over the past 15 years on these interwebz, I have asked the ignorant, fundamentalist, idiot, hômophobic, bigots – such as yourself – literally tens of thousands of times to post your science. To post the citations to peer-reviewed scientific research that supports your contentions.

      Hell, I've personally asked you to do this numerous times.

      Now, here's the kicker – neither you, nor any other ignorant, fundamentalist, idiot, hômophobic, bigot has ever posted a single solitary peer-reviewed citation supporting your contentions. Not once.

      Why is this, Bob?

      June 13, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  16. YeahRight

    "So the morally deceived, liar calls me a liar who decides, certainly not you and its kinds funny how you know exactly what the Bible says and can call the shots on that too. NOW thats really funny! what a waste of skin."

    I am posting what the experts are saying so therefore I am not a liar. You on the other hand are making unfounded claims about gays without a shred of evidence, that makes you immoral. Duh! What a hypocrite. LMAO!

    Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    Come on now prove the hundreds of thousands of experts wrong since no one has been able to do that in over 30 years. LMAO!

    June 13, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • Erik

      You can add to that the 24,000 members of the American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. http://www.aamft.org/iMIS15/AAMFT/MFT_Resources/MFT_Resources/Content/Resources/Position_On_Couples.aspx

      June 13, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  17. Bob

    So the morally deceived, liar calls me a liar who decides, certainly not you and its kinds funny how you know exactly what the Bible says and can call the shots on that too. NOW thats really funny! what a waste of skin.

    June 13, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • Jen

      That's funny. I think poorly educated people who have worse writing skills than my three year old are a waste of skin. Who doesn't know the difference between loose and lose????? Answer – someone with an IQ of less than 70.

      June 13, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Bravo, Jen.

      June 13, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  18. YeahRight

    "We have scientists/psychologists who worship science as god trying to evaluate the benefits of knowing Christ or even the advantages or disadvantages of a gay lifestyle. "

    The experts have stated that heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

    The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    Plus social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.

    So the experts have proven that the gay lifestyle is normal, it's NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed. Your unfounded prejudice and bigotry is what is bringing this country into the toilet by fueling the hatred and bigotry toward this group with your LIES! DUH!

    June 13, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Bob

      yeah new incomplete inconclusive studies but let me ask why did all the old studies get thrown out? Who on any of those boards believes in God or is even a Christian? Seems pretty one sided to me. Oh so 80 percent are Christians huh so that means that they should not be in favor of gay marriage correct but I think you said that most favor gay marriage whats up with that? HOW DO YOU STUDY THE EFFECTS OF GAY MARRIAGE ON CHILDREN IF IT HAS ONLY BEEN A SHORT WHILE GAYS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO ADOPT AND NOT EVEN MARRY IN MOST STATES. You want answers so do I join the club.

      June 13, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • YeahRight

      "yeah new incomplete inconclusive studies but let me ask why did all the old studies get thrown out? Who on any of those boards believes in God or is even a Christian? Seems pretty one sided to me. Oh so 80 percent are Christians huh so that means that they should not be in favor of gay marriage correct but I think you said that most favor gay marriage whats up with that? HOW DO YOU STUDY THE EFFECTS OF GAY MARRIAGE ON CHILDREN IF IT HAS ONLY BEEN A SHORT WHILE GAYS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO ADOPT AND NOT EVEN MARRY IN MOST STATES. You want answers so do I join the club."

      Here's a person claiming to be a Christian yet continues to post lie after lie after lie proving they are incompetent to even comprehend their own bible. You have to lie like this because you have no evidence against the hundreds of thousands of experts that have proven you wrong. Duh!

      June 13, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • Primewonk

      Bob – Why don't you post the citations to those old studies? Then we can open them up and look at what they said.

      June 13, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
  19. Bob

    We have scientists/psychologists who worship science as god trying to evaluate the benefits of knowing Christ or even the advantages or disadvantages of a gay lifestyle. How can a no god,except science, hating Christians, scientist ever going to come up with anything but that being gay is ok. Now that is stacked deck against Christians. We have the government taking out the simplest of things as BC and AD or not providing the funding to put a cross back up in the desert that was torn down by vandals and court ordered to be put back up and we stand there and listen to dribble. Do you know why all the old studies have been thrown out because the scientists still had some morals and portrayed gays in the real light. You can not like a lifestyle without hating the person either so dont start that bs either.

    June 13, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • JWT

      It's called hom-ophobia bob. You are ranting.

      June 13, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Ranting" is right. Bob, you have yet to give an answer the questions I've posed. Why is that? Here they are again: How does gay marriage affect you? How does it affect anyone you know who isn't gay? How does what 3% of the population does in their bedrooms have any affect on your life?

      When are you going to grow a set and answer?

      June 13, 2012 at 10:08 am |
  20. Bob

    The fact that we are at this point in US history even considering the idea of gay unions means society is in the toilet. No society that approves of gay marriage has survived. It in itself isn't the problem society not finding peace and joy and the promises of the Lord lead to the lack of conviction and looking for something to fill that spot. We have tv shows where 16 year olds are shown living with children they have out of marriage and we are questioning why is this happening. Its sick society is sick and if we are so concerned with our own lives that we let 2 percent of the population tell us what is ok then maybe we are getting what we deserve. Stand or fall make politicians and courts responsible to the people once more and show that Jesus is not just plastic.

    June 13, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • Primewonk

      Again, being born gay is no more immoral than being born left-handed. Or black. Oh...Wait...It wasn't that long ago that religious idiots said that being left-handed was a sign of the devil, and being black was the mark of Cain.

      Sorry Bob. But this is just one more thing, in a long list of things, your god got completely wrong. Perhaps if he had spent more time studying the biology of sèxual orientation, and less time smiting people he created, he wouldn't be this big a putz?

      June 13, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • JWT

      It is sick in your mind Bob- so what. It is harmless to people and society. Live and let live.

      June 13, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Bob

      prime and jwt so you want me to take your moral judgment the one who are either in the lifestyle or who see nothing wrong with it who curse god and say not only that there is no god but that we make Him up and say!!!! Oh Im so sorry you guys are right society is so much better off today with the filth and raping of the financial system by men who dont care with no moral conscience. Tell that to me while we have to pay for birth control, abortions, families loosing homes, 16 years olds that cant support themselves with no problem taking hand outs from the government, the government bailing out and not prosecuting the fat cats on wall st while the homeowner is left high and dry that my friends is only the tip of the ice berg the real science that is the truth of no morals im ok your ok society

      June 13, 2012 at 9:04 am |
    • JWT

      We are talking about ho-mose-xuality bob. It does no harm to anyone. It may be immoral to you but thats your issue in life. I have no problem with it and my view is as important as yours is. Society is for all people not just those that some subset of christianity.

      June 13, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • JWT

      And god is not a requirement to have morals.

      June 13, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • YeahRight

      "Tell that to me while we have to pay for birth control, abortions, families loosing homes, 16 years olds that cant support themselves with no problem taking hand outs from the government, the government bailing out and not prosecuting the fat cats on wall st while the homeowner is left high and dry that my friends is only the tip of the ice berg the real science that is the truth of no morals im ok your ok society"

      Since supposedly 80% of the people in America claim to be Christians then you need to take that up with your religion. LMAO!

      June 13, 2012 at 10:46 am |
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