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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

My Take: Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality

It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

Your Take: Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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  1. Yeahright

    "dont give a dam about the gays"

    Funny how you won't recognize that gay couples are in loving and respecting long term relationships with children and is NOT condemned in your bible..

    Social science has shown that the concerns often raised about children of lesbian and gay parents—concerns that are generally grounded in prejudice against and stereotypes about gay people—are unfounded. Overall, the research indicates that the children of lesbian and gay parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in their development, adjustment, or overall well-being.

    July 17, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  2. Yeahright

    "dont give a dam about the gays"

    That's why you continue to lie about them over and over again while trying to justify your prejudice and bigotry. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    July 17, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  3. Yeahright

    "These people that are posting this bs against the Bible dont give a dam about the gays"

    That's why we are fighting for their civil rights and you are not. Marriage was defined by the US Supreme Court as a civil right. Recognized federal civil rights law in the United States is grounded in the U.S. Constitution as interpreted by the Supreme Court. By this standard, marriage has long been established as a civil right.

    The operative constitutional text is section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment, which was ratified in 1868. The relevant passages read as follows:

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

    A federal appeals court on May 31st ruled that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional because it denies equal rights for legally married same-sex couples, making it likely that the Supreme Court will consider the politically divisive issue for the first time in its next term. This most likely will be decided in the courts and since most courts keep ruling in gays favor they should be able to over turn all the unconstitutional laws prejudice bigots have been trying to pass.

    July 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  4. Bob

    These people that are posting this bs against the Bible dont give a dam about the gays they are atheists or socialists dont feed the trolls.

    July 17, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Drunk again Bob?

      July 17, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Sorry Bob – but we aren't the ones who choose to worship a sick, sadistic, schizophrenic, psychotic, putz of a god, who demands his ignorant fundiot followers kill gay folks.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  5. Melvin

    The Scriptures at no point deal with homosexuality as an authentic sexual orientation, a given condition of being. The remarkably few Scriptural references to "homosexuality" deal rather with homosexual acts, not with homosexual orientation. Those acts are labeled as wrong out of the context of the times in which the writers wrote and perceived those acts to be either nonmasculine, idolatrous, exploitative, or pagan. The kind of relationships between two consenting adults of the same sex demonstrably abounding among us – relationships that are responsible and mutual, affirming and fulfilling – are not dealt with in the Scriptures.

    July 17, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  6. Shawn

    Let me start this off with a quote from a famous lesbian, Lynn Lavner:

    "There are 6 admonishments in the Bible concerning homosexual activity, and our enemies are always throwing them up to us – usually in a vicious way and very much out of context.

    What they don't want us to remember is that there are 362 admonishments in the Bible concerning heterosexual activity. I don't mean to imply by this that God doesn't love straight people, only that they seem to require a great deal more supervision."

    I am going to attempt to keep this short and simple, so here we go.

    Some claim that Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 clearly say that homosexual sex is an abomination. In fact, it merits death. Isn't it obvious that God hates homosexuality?

    Yes, depending on which translation you are using, Leviticus does say, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female, it's an abomination." However, a few points must be made about this statement:

    a) It appears in Leviticus, which was given to preserve the distinctive characteristics of the religion and culture of Israel. However, as stated in Galatians 3:22-55, Christians are no longer bound by these Jewish laws. Even if you, for some reason, argue that these "laws" are still important, then you surely follow all of them, right?

    It is interesting that people who use Leviticus against the gay community forget the part that talks about religious sacrifices, making women sleep in tents outside during their period, the dietary restrictions placed on them and how to cleanse a leper, all of which appear in Leviticus.

    The laws of Leviticus are completely obsolete for today's Christian; however, even if you do claim to live by the laws of Leviticus, it is not fair to pick and choose which laws you are going to live by, or condemn a people by, if you are not going to follow the others. You should not need any more convincing evidence than this; but if you do, be my guest.

    b) The word that was in the original work, "to'ebah," which was translated into Greek as "bdglygma" actually means "ritual impurity" rather than abomination (or enormous sin). These passages in Leviticus can be translated to not mean homosexual sex generally, but only limiting homosexual sex in Pagan temples.

    c) This passage does not denounce homosexual behavior as a whole, but just the specific act of anal sex. This was meant for the prevention of disease. It was ruled unclean because it was physically unclean; however, hygiene has made wonderful advances since that time.

    d) These passages in Leviticus can be interpreted in many ways. I have seen it interpreted by scholars and priests to mean: "don't have sex with another man in your wife's bed;" "don't have sex with another man in the temple;" and "don't have sex with another man and pretend he is a woman," just to name a few.

    I have never seen an interpretation in any Bible, or from any scholar, that specifically says to never have sex with a man.

    Some claim the Bible simply does not support gay marriage. Chapter two of Genesis defines marriage as a holy union between a man and a woman. And later, in Matthew 19:4-5, Jesus himself reiterates the traits of a traditional marriage. How can you argue that anything other than celibacy is honorable for gay and lesbian people?

    Yes, marriage is a holy union. However, in these passages, while Jesus reiterates (but does not require) the traditional marriage, he also provides an exception for eunuchs (castrated men – or otherwise impotent men, in today's terms), and allowed them to be married, saying that this law is given to those to whom it applies.

    Because these eunuchs were born sexless, God made an exception for them because it was natural. The same applies to the Gay community today. Science has proven homosexuality is completely natural, so it seems God would allow for homosexual marriages.

    In Matthew 19: 4-5, Jesus encourages a traditional path, but does not discourage alternatives, except in the case of divorce.

    Jesus did stress purity of marriage, but not in regard to the sexes of the people within it. It can be seen that the reason that churches are against homosexual marriage is not because it is explicitly said by God, but because of a lack of instruction to specifically allow it.

    In the time that the Bible was written it would have been impossible to foresee the future to be able to specifically allow or forbid homosexual marriage.

    Some claim, in Paul's letter to the Corinthians, he lists homosexuals amongst the many sinners who will not inherit the kingdom of God. Doesn't that make God's position on this vice very clear?

    If we look at the other types of people listed in this passage, we can understand what it is actually talking about. Law breakers, thieves, adulterers and drunks are specifically mentioned. The word "homosexual" was not found until the 1890s, so it would have been impossible for it to be in the original version.

    What actually appears in the original is Paul condemning those who are "effeminate" and "abusers of themselves with mankind." In this context, the original Greek word, "malakos," is translated into effeminate, or soft, which, more than likely, refers to someone who lacks discipline or moral control.

    In this passage, when Paul condemns "abusers of themselves with mankind," he is speaking of male prostitutes.

    Then there are the people who claim that, even though science has proven that people don't choose their sexual orientation, the fact remains that homosexuality is unnatural. Romans 1:26-27 tells us that humans have a sinful nature, and therefore commit sins against God. Certain people are predisposed to be alcoholics and pedophiles, but that doesn't make their actions any less immoral. God tells us to "tear out your eye" if it makes you stumble. Why can't you just accept homosexuality as the part of your nature you must deny?

    Because the Bible has gone through so many translations, and through the hands of many people (some being non-believers), it is not surprising that the meaning has become a little fuzzy in parts.

    Homosexuality is normal. The phrase "para physin" appears in the original text for this verse. This term is often translated to mean "unnatural;" however, more accurate translation would be unconventional.

    Proof for this can be found in 1 Corinthians 11:14 where Paul uses this phrase to refer to men with long hair (unconventional, not unnatural) and in Romans 11:24 where Paul uses this phrase to refer to the positive action God made to bring together the Jews and Gentiles.

    All in all, homosexuality is obviously not a sin, unless you take passages from the Bible and add your own words or you just try really hard to interpret it that way. Let's just remember Galatians 5:14; where Paul stated, "the whole Law is fulfilled in one Statement, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

    July 17, 2012 at 10:38 am |
  7. Janet

    "they originated in hell and will be judged by God for what they are and not how they appear."

    The Biblical condemnation of homosexuality is based on human ignorance, suspicion of those who are different, and an overwhelming concern for ensuring the survival of the people. Since the Bible regards homosexuality as a capital crime, it clearly assumes that homosexuality is a matter of free choice, a deliberate rebellion against God. We have learned from modern science that people do not choose to be gay or straight; hence it is neither logical nor moral to condemn those whose nature it is to be gay or lesbian.

    July 17, 2012 at 10:37 am |
  8. John

    "against gay marriage."

    Some argue that since homosexual behavior is "unnatural" it is contrary to the order of creation. Behind this pronouncement are stereotypical definitions of masculinity and femininity that reflect rigid gender categories of patriarchal society. There is nothing unnatural about any shared love, even between two of the same gender, if that experience calls both partners to a fuller state of being. Contemporary research is uncovering new facts that are producing a rising conviction that homosexuality, far from being a sickness, sin, perversion or unnatural act, is a healthy, natural and affirming form of human sexuality for some people. Findings indicate that homosexuality is a given fact in the nature of a significant portion of people, and that it is unchangeable.

    Our prejudice rejects people or things outside our understanding. But the God of creation speaks and declares, "I have looked out on everything I have made and `behold it (is) very good'." . The word (Genesis 1:31) of God in Christ says that we are loved, valued, redeemed, and counted as precious no matter how we might be valued by a prejudiced world.

    There are few biblical references to homosexuality. The first, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, is often quoted to prove that the Bible condemns homosexuality. But the real sin of Sodom was the unwillingness of the city's men to observe the laws of hospitality. The intention was to insult the stranger by forcing him to take the female role in the sex act. The biblical narrative approves Lot's offer of his virgin daughters to satisfy the sexual demands of the mob. How many would say, "This is the word of the Lord"? When the Bible is quoted literally, it might be well for the one quoting to read the text in its entirety.

    Leviticus, in the Hebrew Scriptures, condemns homosexual behaviour, at least for males. Yet, "abomination", the word Leviticus uses to describe homosexuality, is the same word used to describe a menstruating woman. Paul is the most quoted source in the battle to condemn homosexuality ( 1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 and Romans 1: 26-27). But homosexual activity was regarded by Paul as a punishment visited upon idolaters by God because of their unfaithfulness. Homosexuality was not the sin but the punishment.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Paul gave a list of those who would not inherit the Kingdom of God. That list included the immoral, idolaters, adulterers, sexual perverts, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, and robbers. Sexual perverts is a translation of two words; it is possible that the juxtaposition of malakos, the soft, effeminate word, with arsenokoitus, or male prostitute, was meant to refer to the passive and active males in a homosexual liaison.

    Thus, it appears that Paul would not approve of homosexual behavior. But was Paul's opinion about homosexuality accurate, or was it limited by the lack of scientific knowledge in his day and infected by prejudice born of ignorance? An examination of some of Paul's other assumptions and conclusions will help answer this question. Who today would share Paul's anti-Semitic attitude, his belief that the authority of the state was not to be challenged, or that all women ought to be veiled? In these attitudes Paul's thinking has been challenged and transcended even by the church! Is Paul's commentary on homosexuality more absolute than some of his other antiquated, culturally conditioned ideas?

    Three other references in the New Testament (in Timothy, Jude and 2 Peter) appear to be limited to condemnation of male sex slaves in the first instance, and to showing examples (Sodom and Gomorrah) of God's destruction of unbelievers and heretics (in Jude and 2 Peter respectively).

    That is all that Scripture has to say about homosexuality. Even if one is a biblical literalist, these references do not build an ironclad case for condemnation. If one is not a biblical literalist there is no case at all, nothing but prejudice born of ignorance, that attacks people whose only crime is to be born with an unchangeable sexual predisposition toward those of their own sex.

    July 17, 2012 at 10:33 am |
  9. YeahRight

    "Because I'm a Christian and against gay marriage."

    That's why there are thousands of churches that are now performing gay marriages and stating being gay is NOT a sin. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

    July 17, 2012 at 10:32 am |
  10. RiadaKram

    "If a man is found lying with a man, he shall be put to death." It takes a pervert or a lawyer to misinterpreted that.

    July 17, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Who invited me?

      ANd I thought your bible says thou shalt NOT kill....didn't know there was an exception for people you don't like....

      July 17, 2012 at 9:09 am |
    • YeahRight

      ""If a man is found lying with a man, he shall be put to death.""

      You have no clue about the bible do you. What an idiot. Christians don't follow Leviticus anymore, it's part of the Holiness Code, a ritual manual for Israel's priests. Duh!

      July 17, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • sam stone

      Go ahead living your life according to Iron Age mythology. Kill someone for being ho-mo-se-xual and expect to sodomized in prison

      July 17, 2012 at 10:43 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, it just takes a narrow-minded hypocrite like you. You ignore any laws that don't support your hatred and prejudice and instead focus on those that excuse your cruddy views of anyone different from you. Get bent.

      July 17, 2012 at 10:50 am |
  11. RiadaKram

    "If a man is found lying with a man, he shall be put to death." Not thats there anything wrong with that.

    July 17, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • sam stone

      Go ahead and try it, big mouth

      July 17, 2012 at 10:44 am |
  12. Bob

    Jesus endured the assault of the tempter at its most furious intensity. Matthew and Luke describe these three assaults of temptation by the devil in which Jesus was tempted to distrust His Father and to abandon His own integrity and ministry. The devil used the very language of faith in an attempt to tempt Him. (The devil quoted from Psalm 91 in order to draw Jesus away from the pathway He and the Father had planned for Him, attempting to entice Him to take a leap from the temple roof). The devil's intention was to direct Jesus toward the abandonment of His own freedom and toward a distrust of His Father's faithfulness. The method and the goal of the tempter's attack on Jesus gives us insight into the strategy and intentions of temptation. There are three key questions we must ask concerning all tests that come to us: 1st what is the goal of the test or experience? 2nd is it to strengthen my life? 3rd is it to draw me closer to Jesus, to others or to my real self? Here we have the difference between the ministry of conviction of the Holy Spirit and the temptation of the devil. If the drawing that I am feeling is leading me to the conclusion that my life is sinful and I have no hope in God, then this is not the conviction of the Holy Spirit; it is the temptation of the devil who is trying to get me to distrust God' love and faithfulness. The conviction of the Holy Spirit always leads me to the Redeemer and to hope. Despair is the end result of temptation's line of questions. It is also possible for the tempter to devise a line of reasoning that leads in the opposite direction. But the end is death. I may be tempted toward self-pride, just as I may be tempted to self-disgust. Each approach may appear opposite in purpose but each will lead me away from God and toward aloneness. In one case I don't think I need God because of a false perception of my greatness and in the other case I am afraid to need Him because of my sinfulness which is beyond His forgiveness.

    July 17, 2012 at 7:37 am |
    • Chad

      The effects of prejudice and racism are all around–constant fighting in Israel and Palestine, wars in the Middle East because of religion and killings in big cities and small towns all over the world because of the color of someone's skin or sexual orientation. This affects mankind deeply and can lead to cynicism and hopelessness. Unfortunately, many people misinterpret the Bible and use it to support their violence and prejudice against others. They take portions of verses and use them out of context so they can feel better about the horrible way they treat others.

      July 17, 2012 at 10:43 am |
  13. Bob

    Because I'm a Christian and against gay marriage.

    July 16, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      And do you want gay marriage banned based on your religious beliefs?

      July 16, 2012 at 10:38 pm |
    • Gay Blade

      Honey I’m going out now but these people are mean; it looks like only Myweightinwords is for us the rest sound like atheists don't boar yourself with them dear it’s not worth it. They are only out for themselves, good night Bob honey.

      July 16, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • JWT

      The only thing your religious beliefs mean bobby is that you should not get married to another man. Nothing more.

      July 17, 2012 at 5:53 am |
    • sam stone

      Good for you, Bob. Keep it's licensing out of government and then you and the rest of your inbred church members can discriminate in any manner you feel is pleasing to your god

      July 17, 2012 at 10:46 am |
  14. Bob

    "Temptation" is a fierce and frightening word. In the Greek it means to destroy by degrees; it means to place someone under the peril of intense and gradual stress. In some cases it may mean "to test" in the positive sense, but it is made all the more intense in the way it is used in the New Testament where the words context is not positive, but clearly hostile.
    TEMPTATION and Its SOURCE: the peril of temptation is not the same as the danger of a frontal attack by an enemy who has openly announced his motives: "your destruction." Instead of such an open challenge, this temptation is a much more subtle kind of stress that encourages its victims to make their own false moves so that in the end they destroy themselves. It is a temptation because its goal is not to test skill but rather to bring harm. With this temptation it looks as if a person who is tempted destroyed himself. Temptation is usually not aimed at physical harm; it is usually designed to cause moral harm. In John 6 Jesus asked His disciples how they would feed the 5,000. This was not to discredit them but to cause them to think "faith." When Andrew found the boy with the lunch it was not an answer in itself but a means to an end, the miraculous feeding of the crowd. This did not destroy the disciples. They were permanently conditioned to think "faith." This was the positive use of this word but temptation is altogether different. According to the Bible, temptation is always evil. In Matthew 4:3 the devil is called "the tempter." The "question" that intends to arrange for another person's self destruction, or the physical "adventure" that draws a person into harm's way are both acts of temptation. Regardless of how pure or innocent they may appear, the fact is, they originated in hell and will be judged by God for what they are and not how they appear.

    July 16, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • JWT

      You have faith bobby we get that. Personally I think your faith is full of sh!t but it's yours and you are welcome to it. Please keep it close and don't pollute the rest of the world with it.

      July 16, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Gay Blade

      Bob honey why don't they like you, they sound so mean?

      July 16, 2012 at 10:25 pm |
  15. Bob

    Stop using my name looser

    July 16, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • Bob's 4th Grade Teacher

      Stop spelling "loser" wrong. Now write it 100 times, please.

      loser = one who has lost something, as a game (slang: one who has lost competence or usefulness)

      looser = less tight or less restrictive.

      July 16, 2012 at 10:02 pm |
  16. Gay blade

    Why wont any of you dears talk to me, I am so lonely.

    July 16, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Bob

      They are to busy arguing and don't know anything.

      July 16, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Bob

      Thanks Bob honey but they are imposters and arguing for themselves dear. You sound so cute I like you.

      July 16, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Bob's 4th Grade Teacher

      "They are to busy arguing and don't know anything."

      Stop misusing to and too.

      to = toward that place
      too = very

      July 16, 2012 at 10:05 pm |
  17. Gsy blade

    Why Honey why dont we have any more gays here arguing for My rights we just have these imposters who sound cute but are not gay. If anyone of you is gay tell me I need someone to shag with tonight I dont think Bob is up to it.

    July 16, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
  18. Gay blade

    Oh Like leave Bob alone Hes so cute I could just hug him to death. I'm going to a club tonight are you anywhere around Miami honey I could meet up with you and we could talk.

    July 16, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
  19. Bob

    Please be careful of yeah he doesn't know what hole to use. Maybe that's why hes gay he just doesn't know the right hole that could be all the problems with all gays maybe if we had instructions on copulation we can eliminate gays, thanks yeah but your to confused to talk to.
    Gen 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make human beings in Our image, to be like Us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground."
    Gen 1:27 So God created human beings in His own image. In the image of God He created them; male and female He created them.
    Gen 1:28 Then God blessed them and said, "Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth and govern it. Reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, and all the animals that scurry along the ground."
    Gen 2:22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib, and He brought her to the man.
    Gen 2:23 "At last!" the man exclaimed. "This one is bone from my bone, and flesh from my flesh! She will be called 'woman,' because she was taken from 'man.'"
    Gen 2:24 This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.
    Gen 2:25 Now the man and his wife were both naked, but they felt no shame.
    Gen_2:24 This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.
    Eph 5:31 As the Scriptures say, "A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one."
    Mar 10:7 'This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife,
    Mar 10:8 and the two are united into one.' Since they are no longer two but one,
    Mar 10:9 let no one split apart what God has joined together."

    July 16, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Posting bible verses doesn't make you a Christian, Bob. Your behavior on this topic has painted you as a contemporary faux Christian, the prototypical one, at that.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Bob

      Thanks coming from you who doesn't have any idea of what a real Christian would look like I will consider that a compliment thanks :)

      July 16, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Snarky answer accepted Bob. It tells me you know I'm right, so you've defaulted to that rather than attempting to refute it. If you attempted to reconcile your behavior and statements here with the actions of Christ in the bible, you'd fail miserably. Congratulations, faux Christian.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • Bob

      Other Bob, if you are going to dump bible quotes here like so many other Christian wingnuts, at least be fair and include the nasty bits too, from your book of horrors AKA the bible. Fine stuff like this, OT and NT:

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Revelations 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • Bob

      OH my the evil Bob has surfaced again oh no lions and tigers and bears oh my what am I ever gong to do??? They all have such terrible;e points and and I'm so alllloooonnnnneeee what am I ever gong to do?? :) Maybe I, I, I, I, am a fact Christian OOHH My 'what am I ever going to dooo

      July 16, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Bob

      Oh Middy you are just to much for me I don't know what I can do against such logic and strength and overwhelming logic its just so hard to be a foxy Christian I just don't know what to do. Maybe if I turn around and bend over you'll stop the verbal onslaught so I can go on living again pleases stop its just to much oh oh oh oh baby baby oh baby oh baby baby oh oh. D)

      July 16, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Bob

      Hey middy you better straighten out your boy yeah he doesn't know what hole to use for what.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:48 pm |
    • midwest rail

      You are correct for once, faux Christian – you have no idea what to do when you are challenged, so you revert to responses that amount to sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting LA LA LA LA LA.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Bob

      Oh midday given the fact that I have answered that same post 5 times already with different applicable verses and proved you wrong 100 percent of the time I think that's good enough to prove you are full of feces. I'm happy with that. Why dont you go play in the sandbox till time out is over.

      July 16, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Keith

      midwest rail, Go back to PSU.

      July 16, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Bob

      Dont worry Ill tell you when you can come out again.

      July 16, 2012 at 9:02 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Bob, you've been proven wrong on these blogs more than any single poster in recent memory. Keep feeding that delusion of yours, though, I suspect it's all you have to hang onto. You can put your fingers back in your ears now.

      July 17, 2012 at 6:50 am |
    • sam stone

      Bobby: Jeebus is waiting for the silky goodness of your mouth

      July 17, 2012 at 10:48 am |
  20. Matthew

    Homosexuality is not a sin according to the Bible. Any educated Christian would know that. Scholars who have studied the Bible in context of the times and in relation to other passages have shown those passages (Leviticus, Corinthians, Romans, etc) have nothing to do with homosexuality. These passages often cherry-picked while ignoring the rest of the Bible. The sins theses passages are referring to are idolatry, prostitution, and rape, not homosexuality. That’s why Jesus never mentions it as well. There is nothing immoral, wrong, or sinful about being gay. Jesus, however, clearly states he HATES hypocrites. If you preach goodness, then promote hate and twist the words of the Bible, you are a hypocrite, and will be judged and sent to hell. Homosexuals will not go to hell, hypocrites will. This is very similar to the religious bigots of the past, where they took Bible passages to condone slavery, keep women down, and used Bible passages to claim blacks as curses who should be enslaved by the white man. People used God to claim that blacks marrying whites was unnatural, and not of God's will!

    July 16, 2012 at 4:39 pm |
    • Bob

      So how come Christian god couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily prone to being misinterpreted and mistranslated?

      It's a pretty weak excuse for a "god" that you've made for yourselves there, Christians.

      July 16, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
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