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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

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Filed under: Christianity • Episcopal • Gay marriage • Opinion

soundoff (15,115 Responses)
  1. Sheila

    What if your parents believed in not breeding Kathleen ?

    "Kathleen
    Breeding has never been a requirement for marriage. Never has. Never will."

    May 19, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • momoya

      It seems that they'd be a married couple without children.. You do realize children can be wrought out of wedlock, yes?? How stupid are you?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Jesus Is Gay No Really He is

      Okay, God/Sheila, whatever you say.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • Kathleen

      They'd still qualify for a marriage license.
      Because - as any educated person understands - marriage doesn't require breeding.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • mandarax

      Sheila, you're irrational. I mean that literally.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:16 pm |
    • Larry

      Sheila is clearly one of the stupidest people to comment in this blog, but since there are so many vying for the post I will not give her an award or anything like that. She wouldn't know what to do with it anyway. Like her body. She doesn't know how it works at all. Every trip to the bathroom must be full of mystery and surprise at what happens in there.
      Go, Sheila. Begone from this place. There is no place for you here. We don't need stupid people opening their mouths at all.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • sybaris

      Well Sheila, your position uses the false premise the the listener would know..........but they wouldn't............so your little trip down non sequitur lane fails

      May 19, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • TPN51

      Sheila, Gen: 1:28 Be fruitful and multiply. If you are going to be a Bible thumper be a good one and believe in the whole book not just passages that suite your need.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Sheila does make a valid (and rather obvious) point that parenthood and marriage are interrelated, both in a practical and legal sense. Is the insti-tution of marriage not a practical element to raising children? Having a mother and a father who live with you and are emotionally and legally bound to each other? And children are born out of wedlock, and parents get divorced, which we all know happens, but i think most people agree that usually this is an inferior circu-mstance for raising children, both for the parent(s) and the children.

      Secondly, although married couples do not always have children, they often do, and once they have children there is a whole new level of commitment and love that comes about between the married couple. It might be interesting to think about the spiritual and animalistic factors at play, but even from the practical point of view; an insurance broker, the government, family members and friends recognize an additional link between the married couple who are now co-parents. If all you have to do to undo marriage is lawyer up and sign papers, then how much weight should be applied to the insti-tution of marriage in areas of insurance, property rights or anything else which differentiate on the basis of marriage? Having children builds upon what was started in marriage, and changes everything in terms of commitments, responsibilities, in terms of co-dependence (for example if a father takes on larger role raising the children while the mother does graduate school, or works longer hours, etc).

      It is certainly not necessary for married couples to have kids and vice versa, but realistically, if there really was no correlation/ cultural expectation with regard to marriage and children, then what place would marriage have in our society? Why ever would we expect 2 individuals to get married? Why not 4 or 6? Why not have mini-marriages or short-term marriages between an individual and their employer?

      May 19, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  2. Sheila

    Alien Oriface

    Foundation of the world. From the time the world was established. God created the Heavens and the Earth.

    May 19, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • sybaris

      which god?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Observer

      Sheila,

      That's your theory. There are plenty of others that are similarly unproveable.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • mandarax

      Actually, in the scientific meaning of the word, that doesn't even qualify as a theory.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • mandarax

      It's an assertion. It could be stated as a hypothesis, and has been, but that hypothesis is immediately disproven. That's why they don't do it that way.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • momoya

      If the description is not precise enough to be falsified or verified than it's worthless.. The earth rests on the back of a giant turtle, only we can't detect the turtle by any method whatsoever... WHAT?!? You don't believe?!?! Where's your faith?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Sheila,

      Can you even describe, in the most simplist terms, how the Earth formed? How the starts formed? Our own sun?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
  3. Holly in CA

    Seriously CNN, twice in one week...another liberal twisting the language of the Bible to conform to his beliefs? You are giving FOX another reason to declare you unfair and unbalanced.

    May 19, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • mandarax

      Wow Holly, if you don't recognize that every Christian twists the bible to conform to their beliefs you need to pay more attention.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • Jesus Is Gay No Really He is

      It's the bible, dummy, and as such it's open to interpretation! Your interpretation is no more valid than someone else's interpretation so mind your own damn business and worry about yourself. What others do in their bedrooms is NOT your concern, so shut yer pie=hole

      May 19, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
  4. TPN51

    Momoya, Thanks, what you say is so true.

    May 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
  5. Sheila

    SusieKJ,

    Marriage was not around before Christianity. Jesus Christ existed before the foundation of the world was created. The Bible teaches that God created the world through Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was here to serve his father and to teach the words of his father in the flesh. Jesus Christ was the "word of God" made manifest into the flesh. He was the living walking word of God. He lived the word, he proved the word and he taught the word, demonstrating the wisdom and love of the Holy Father. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. They are in perfect agreement on everything. So the son who Christians call themselves was an example of God the Holy Father, who created you. Therefore Christianity existed before the creation of the world we live in. God planned Jesus' birth, life and resurrection from the beginning.

    Marriage was created between bio male and bio female in the beginning of the earth after it was created. The purpose of marriage was unity as "one body spiritually" and in the creation of more of the same species Holy unto God.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • Jesus Is Gay No Really He is

      Sweetie, why don't you be a good christian and stop judging others - that is god's job, NOT YOURS, and he doesn't need YOU to do it for him, so mind your own damn business.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Sheila, can you please define the "foundation of the world" so I can understand your post?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • TPN51

      Sheila, sorry but you are very misinformed and tunnel visioned. Please research before quoting. You sound like a sound bite from a preachers sermon.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • PDX James

      Yes, and this happened 6000 years ago right before God planted fake dinosaur bones to test our faith. There are other cultures with older writings than Christianity which also had Gods and marriage.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • sybaris

      You really need to take a college level class in anthropology and world history.

      You sound like the same people who made up the stories of the bible, they thought the universe revolved around the earth.

      Freakin' idiot.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • momoya

      This one may just be a shell for the invasive brain virus it contains.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      @ alien the core

      May 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • JWT

      You can believe that if you want sheila but that doesn;t make it right. And that must mean you and I are from different universes. Which is excellent news since I was not created by your god.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
  6. momoya

    If these hypocrites REALLY cared about the sanct.ity of marriage, they'd want to outlaw divorce first and foremost.. How's that legislation coming along?

    May 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • VanHagar

      Not well...people like you are in charge.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • momoya

      People like me are obviously not in charge or we'd be making a lot smarter decision at a much faster pace..

      Are you really implying that if christians were "in charge" there'd be anti-divorce laws on the books that christians would follow?? Because I seem to remember that every single president has been christian and about 95% of the politicians are christian, so that'd be pretty stupid of you to assert..

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
  7. Alien Orifice

    I have decided to convert from atheism to Solipsism. The ceremony is going to be a blast, I will be having all my friends and family over and un-validating their existence. Then it will just be a free-for-all. I will also be getting a tattoo of my own face on my a.s.s.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  8. momoya

    Dam, Drew is cleaning up!! yay for reason!!

    May 19, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
  9. Sheila

    Oh Anne, no true Christian will support gay unions falsely called marriage. Marriage can only happen between a bio male and a bio female. Otherwise it is not "marriage" as defined by God. Those who do not follow the teachings of God's word who call themselves Christian will not be recognized by Christ at the time of his coming. Christ said he will say to those who are a lie "I know you not".

    May 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • Drew

      So approximately half of all catholics and almost half of all protestants are not Xtian? good to know

      May 19, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • Observer

      Sheila,

      Marriage is LEGAL matter with optional religious involvement.

      When a marriage falls apart, NO ONE returns with their family and friends and stand at the altar in front of God to explain why they LIED to God when they promised God to stay married "until death do us part". Nope. NEVER. Instead they head to a LAWYER.

      Welcome to the REAL world.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • Jesus Is Gay No Really He is

      Sweetie, god also says that we are made in his own image and he's invisible and we're NOT invisible, so god is pretty much full of BS, just like you are.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • sybaris

      Wow, how christocentric of you. So using your logic sheila if a buddhist couple who are married in Thailand come to your neighborhood they are not really married.

      Freakin' idiot.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • mandarax

      That's right Anne, don't be tempted to be nice to people or understanding of other people's situations. Jesus will hate you for that. Remember to hate who Jesus hates (which always just happens to be exactly who it's convenient to hate, isn't that nice?). If you are kind to people who aren't like you Jesus will not know ye.

      In Christ's perfect love,
      Sheila

      May 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • Kathleen

      Your religious sect doesn't determine the civil rights of Americans.
      Keep your Jesus on cheap art and out of our government.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Sheila..Human beings were staying together long before religion invented the current group of gods, your included. Why would your god, if he made us and presumably the gay folks, discount them as his creation and ascribe them lesser rights.. is he not the god of love? Other than you may feel uncomfortable, what exactly is you problem with gay folks anyway?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • carlos alvarez

      as an atheist i agree with you, although i am for gay marriage.
      but, i don't know here he is getting at?!
      the bible doesn't like gays
      Leviticus 20:13, and Romans 1:26-28
      so yeah.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
  10. jim kee

    I do not know who reads the comments, but they are definitely read and anything the reader does not like is culled out.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  11. Sheila

    PDX God said to "be fruitful and multiply" to produce Holy Children unto God. After all it is HIS universe.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Drew

      gay and lesbian couples can still produce children, they just need a little help from science and someone of the opposite gender

      May 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Drew

      And, there are already WAY too many people in the world, and if god is truly omniscient he knows that

      May 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
    • PDX James

      Do you not think that we have already been fruitful and multipled? Perhaps God thought we'd have enough sense to know when to stop. Or perhaps God was speaking to a few people on an otherwise supposedly empty planet, not to 7 billion people, many of them starving, some alleged 6000 years later. Also, there was no word for multiply in the source language. The more likely translation should have been prosperous.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • TPN51

      I have a Gay sister. Her mate did exactly that, had a child through insemination. They now have two wonderful boys, well educated and well rounded. Sure they take a ribbing about having to mom's but they have been taught how to non violently handle it. I support gay marriages or unions if you prefer. Marriage was only designed to stop indiscriminate fornication under Mosaic Law. (Ref: Way of Life Encyclopedia of the Bible and Christianity)

      May 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • momoya

      That's really fantastic and all, TPN, but most folks on the other side of the aisle don't really care about actual loving families and facts and critical reasoning.. We do, and recognize the sense in it, but you just can't account for brainwashing and all.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Kathleen

      Breeding has never been a requirement for marriage. Never has. Never will.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:05 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Breeding required for survival

      May 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • momoya

      Wow, Bama said something half-way intelligent.. Wonders never cease.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • Steve DL

      Breeding has never been required for survival. Once you are born, you only need to eat and excrete to survive.
      Why anyone would want to encourage retards to have children is beyond me. Survival has nothing to do with s.ex.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • Really-O?

      @BamaDaniel – "Breeding required for survival"

      Sloth love Chunk!

      May 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • momoya

      I assumed he meant survival of the bloodline.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
  12. sybaris

    From the author: "holy inst-itutions like baptism, communion, and marriage"

    Here's the problem. Which of those three is not just for christians?

    Using the authors logic, if you are not christian your marriage is not holy, not that that matters but it illustrates the myopic mindset of christards.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • PDX James

      Marriage did not become a sacrament of the church until the 16th century. Look it up.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
  13. Anne

    Bravo to this article! There are are so many reasons for christians to support gay marriage, and only the ragings of the pharisees against.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
  14. Alan

    Alright, for all of you who don't know the difference between gay and str8 marriage, I'm going to tell you,
    print this reply and put it in your wallet, frame it, or enshrine it with a tattoo:

    Boy/Girl=sperm/egg=baby
    Boy/Boy=sperm/sperm=0
    Girl/Girl=egg/egg=0

    There you have it, you have received a free education in common sense today!!!!!!

    May 19, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • PDX James

      So who here has ever said anything about gay marriages creating babies? And where in anyone's definition of marriage does it say a marriage has to create babies? You really thought you made a clever point, didn't you?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Observer

      Alan,

      Speaking of education, gays and lesbians can reproduce. Basic Biology 101.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Drew

      Thanks to you Xtians and your disdain for birth control, there are a lot of unwanted children in the world. A gay couple can provide a loving home for one of these kids

      May 19, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • NoTheism

      What about sterile couples, should they not be allowed to marry because he or she isn't able to conceive? Your "education" is lacking what an actual education usually offers.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • mandarax

      Alan:
      Marriage + no baby = Marriage

      May 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • sybaris

      Alan you REALLY need to read about invitro fertilization, only been around about 30 years. Surrogate mothers, been happening for quite some time as well.

      I know a lesbian who gave birth to triplets earlier this year. She and her partner are raising the children in much more stable and loving home than most of the christian inhabitants of your regional maximum security prison came from.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Not with each other. Let me explain adulty for once. The opposition to gay marriage is that marriage has long been seen as the symbol of a man and woman together forming the core of their family unit. Gay relationships don't represent that to traditional families.I'm truly sorry you have to live feeling less than whole,but we're going to need a lot of time to change,alot.sometimes it takes centuries .

      May 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • Kathleen

      Sorry but marriage doesn't require breeding, and breeding doesn't require marriage.
      Two different things - as you'd know if you had gone to a real college instead of a Bible school.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
  15. Alien Orifice

    Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe?

    Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement?

    If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author?

    Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight?

    Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet? In short, if someone has to explain a book to me because it is so poorly written that I can’t “understand” it or “put it in context” than it is a worthless book.

    Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains.

    If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. The examples showed above barely scratch the surface of the Bible's numerous problems. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.

    The reason why the Bible contains so much nonsense is because God is imaginary. The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • PDX James

      The old testament god lived in a tent behind a curtain and loved the smell of burnt ritual sacrifices.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • mandarax

      Excellent points. Good post.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • InNebraska

      And that is extremism at the other end of the spectrum of this debate. I would suggest studying these texts as though they are alive but can be changed and reinterpreted over time. The Bible is far from nonsense There is much wisdom in it; however, one must whether he be liberal or conservative be open-minded to it.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @AO
      If you can read John chapter One of th Bible, and you're not filled with awe, and then if you read the rest of the Book, if it does not down on you that the Bible is about a PERSON, and without that Person there would be no Bible... If you can't see that Jesus Christ is the LIVING WORD OF GOD, then you might as well look for "awe" in your own made up fairy tales.
      There are many "shepherds" and many groups of "believers' of "your choice" out there, but there is only ONE TRUE Shepherd. The rest are impostors.
      Because there is ONLY ONE CREATOR, who sent His Son to become like us, in all things except in sin, so that He would bear our sins and our iniquities and make the way to the Father for us. And the Bible is all about Him!
      If this does not cause your heart to be filled with awe, you're dead, dear soul. But Christ came to give you life.
      Yet, He veils Himself from the proud and those who look for Him in wrong places!

      May 19, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
    • mandarax

      @InNebraska, I agree there are some good parables in there. There is also some absolute crap. People have done a mostly decent job of sifting the pearls from the manure (and then pretending there is only the pearls), but the fact that there is both and that we are intuitively capable of telling the difference sort of rules the idea that it is divine.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:08 pm |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Maybe because the bible wasn't written by an omniscient being. Who ever told you that Christians thought God wrote the bible.

      Besides people are often deeply moved by scripture.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Jesus died a long time ago.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • momoya

      Many of your own faith would call you a heretic for those statements Blackadder.. Everyone is a heretic to somebody.. Everyone is an agnostic atheist in relation to most gods.. Go all the way and step out into the light.. It's really nice, here.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      "Jesus died a long time ago"
      You did too.
      He arose from the dead, His tomb is empty.
      Yours is a living tomb, because you've allowed the part of you created to know God to die ....
      If it were not so, you could see what you can't see now!

      May 19, 2012 at 8:35 pm |
  16. Charlie

    (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10) 9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.

    Enough Said.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
    • Observer

      So all Christians who drink or party too much or are greedy aren't going to heaven.

      Gonna be REALLY empty in heaven.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:33 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      Where is God's kingdom again?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:34 pm |
    • Jesus Is Gay No Really He is

      Be a good christian and stop judging others, that is god's job and he doesn't need YOU doing it for him, so mind your own damn business.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Sheila

      Amen

      May 19, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
    • SusieKJ

      @Observer – And divorcees are considered fornicators in the eyes of the bible, so it's really really going to be empty heh.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • Observer

      SusieKJ,

      There are few Christians that pass the tests, so you'd think they'd try to help all their fellow Christians get to heaven first.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • PDX James

      Jesus said that all men are sinners. So I guess nobody gets to go and this was all just a scam.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • Dan

      So why is a drunkard allowed to get married in a church? Even when he is drunk?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:51 pm |
  17. clinky

    If a gay zombie bites you which do you become?

    If you could choose, which would you want to?

    May 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
  18. Alien Orifice

    When you look at different religions, they usually contain "magic." For example:

    • The Mormon religion contains the magical golden plates, the magical angel, the magical seer stones, the magical ascension of the plates into heaven, etc.

    • The Muslim faith contains the magical angel, the magical flying horse, the magical voices, the magical prophet, etc.

    • The Christian faith contains the magical insemination, the magical star, the magical dreams, the magical miracles, the magical resurrection, the magical ascension and so on.

    The presence of "magic" is a clear marker for "imaginary." For example, how do we know that Santa is imaginary? Because (among other things) he has eight magical flying reindeer. How do we know that Jack and the Beanstalk is a fairy tale? Because (among other things) the story contains magical seeds. In the same way, how do we know that God is make believe? Because God is surrounded by magic.

    According to believers, God is an all-powerful being who has the divine, magical power to do anything. How do we know that this belief is a fairy tale? One way to know is to try to invoke God's magical power. For example the Bible tells us in many places that God answers prayers. However, whenever we try to pray, we notice that nothing happens. That tells us that God is completely imaginary. The magical powers ascribed to him are a fairy tale.

    Another way to know is to read the stories of magical events in the Bible. There is the magical flood, yet we know with certainty that the flood never happened. There are the magical miracles of Jesus, but (predictably) none of these miracles left behind any tangible evidence. There is the magical resurrection, yet there is zero evidence that it ever occurred and no reason to believe it.

    God is identical to Leprechauns, mermaids and Santa. God is a magical fairy tale creature. The magic surrounding God tells us that God is imaginary.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • Sheila

      In Christianity it isn't magic. It is a demonstration of God's awesome power. He created the whole earth, the universe, all creatures...do you not realize how awesome God is ?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Except black magic.it's real.the fallen taught it to early man turn them away from El

      May 19, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • Alien Orifice

      He created the whole Earth? What in the world does that mean. Are you 5 years old?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • logan5

      @Sheila
      And why are you so convinced it is the Christian deity that is behind all creation and not some other as of yet UNKNOWN source? When you automatically ascribe everything to your god simply because no other options have been proven to be the cause you are committing a logical fallacy called an "argument from ignorance."

      May 19, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • PDX James

      Yes, when God made Adam and Eve and kept them naive and ignorant and then left them untended in the garden with his other creation, the god of lies, that was some awesome parenting right there. If he had tried that today, Child services would have taken Adam and Eve away and locked God up for child negligence.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • old Hag

      When we ask for something, sometimes God says NO. We know not why, but that NO is given for our benefit, like a parent who says NO to a harmful toy, or treat, or situation. By the way, God has a special prophecy of punishment for child molesters. Better that they .... Look it up.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      The Elohim was around before Christians

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
  19. Observer

    Can anyone find where the Bible calls child molesting a sin or even an "abomination"?

    Hypocrisy.

    May 19, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Observer

      12 minutes gone. Zero reply.

      The Bible apparently cares MORE about what two consenting adults do in private than child molesters.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Bshort

      It is pretty broad, but we use this verse at our church as a launching point when speaking on the importance of protecting kids from predators on church grounds. And when helping those who have been abused. This verse includes any abuses of children. Mark 9:42 it refers to basically getting in the way of a child's relationship with God. Pretty powerful statement, and a good one. As I know well, those who are abused often struggle in faith because they feel as though they were alone. This is a result of abuse and a lie from the enemy. God hates it. But one can survive and live well after abuse. It is not the end. Does that help?

      May 19, 2012 at 7:49 pm |
    • Observer

      Bshort,

      If that is the best the Bible can offer, it's obvious that the Bible is more concerned about what two consenting adults do in private than people who molest children. Pathetic.

      May 19, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • mandarax

      Well, at least now we know that Catholic priests are being consistent with scripture!

      May 19, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
    • Steve DL

      Bshort "God hates it"? So you're God now? You spoke to a voice in your head? Why aren't you calling for the Catholic Church to be obliterated since you say "God hates it"?
      Oh, don't tell me, let me guess. You think it's okay when priests do it for hundreds of years.
      Yeah, we can see your "God hates it" so much he doesn't do a damn thing about it and you won't even do anything about it.
      Thanks for showing us your worthlessness and the worthlessness of your "God". Big surprise there. Yeah.

      May 19, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
  20. Jesus

    Who the hell is this goyim dog?
    I came to speak to my people, not a bunch of smelly, filthy goyim!
    I don't know any of you people. I never knew you. You are all going to burn in hell forever.
    I hate goyim. They smell of unclean food.
    And when I come back I'm going to wipe out all the goyim except for the ones who pay me enough money.
    Rivers of blood! So much blood! Bwaahhhaahahaaahahaha!

    May 19, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • logan5

      This is why I'm totally against mental patients having to computers!

      May 19, 2012 at 7:52 pm |
    • logan6

      Don't listen to my stupid brother. He can't even type a rational sentence. "having to computers". What does that even mean?

      May 19, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
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