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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

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It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

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The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Episcopal • Gay marriage • Opinion

soundoff (15,115 Responses)
  1. sybaris

    If the bible is true and Noah’s flood story happened then it doesn’t make sense that kangaroos are only in Australia and lions in Africa.

    Think christians, it's all just a bunch of hokum.

    May 20, 2012 at 8:39 am |
  2. Rainer Braendlein

    A general note to marriage:

    Some of us may assume marriage would mean that the husband rules over his wife like a master. This is not God's plan.

    God intended marriage as a kind of partnership between man and woman. They shall serve each other with their special male and female characteristics. It is a relationship of deep love and confidence.

    Seemingly the man has more the gift of governance and the wife is more the one, which needs some guidance, She should acknowledge that. But he should not want to be her master, but her strong friend, who helps her to struggle through hard life.

    May 20, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • EndThehate

      Proverbs 6:16-19

      16)These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
      17)A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
      18)An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
      >>>19)A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.<<<

      May 20, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • JWT

      What utter nonsense.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  3. Nii

    I don't know who the Atheists here are trying to convince. No! the Bible does judge a lot of things as deserving of the death penalty if we are to follow ur thinking it hates all humans. The Law is one part of the BIBLE but not the whole. If u learn it rather than cut out the parts u like u'll know

    May 20, 2012 at 8:36 am |
    • JWT

      The athists want the religious to keep their religion out of their lives. This gay marriage issue is one such thing. It is a civil matter over which a particular relgious group says is wrong. Well for them it is wrong, for the rest it is not wrong.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Nii

      To call the 2nd Greatest Command the Golden Rule and say Atheists know the Bible is unwise. Someone also thinks the Gospel defines sin when it doesn't! "What God has put together..." is part of the Law! Lastly the rate at which people swerve mercy to talk about Law just shows they are unhappy.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:45 am |
    • JWT

      There is no possible way I can care about your interpretation about yoiur books law. And none of it is a reson to foist it upon society.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:48 am |
  4. Blake

    Mark 16:16, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned."

    May 20, 2012 at 8:26 am |
    • JWT

      What nonsense. Your god has no place in my life, he may neither praise me nor condemn me.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • sybaris

      Your god sux

      May 20, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @Blake

      How do you interprete this verse?

      May 20, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • Ting

      Reason 21:12 "He who believes in the prophecies of an ancient text is wasting their time."

      May 20, 2012 at 8:33 am |
    • Blake

      Rainer- this verse is very simple that belief and baptism are necessities to salvation. If you do not believe first then of course you would not be baptized. I am not here to argue but just to tell the truth. Read it for yourself. for the rest of the responses- There is only one God and it is your choice whether you listen and obey or whether you exclude him from your life.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:58 am |
    • DeeCee1000

      Uh. . .actually Blake there have been MANY gods, many of which are much older than the Christian "god" and eerily similar to him as well. (You might want to look that one up) Horus for example was born of a virgin, walked on water, turned water into wine, had 12 disciples, was crucified, rose on the third day, ascended into heaven, on and on. Also, if your "bible" or collection of myths is so clear, why is it that there are thousands of denominations all interpreting your "bible" differently? You choose to ignore these types of things and all it does is make believers look like deniers with blinders and idiots.

      May 20, 2012 at 9:43 am |
    • Blake

      DeeCee- the inspired word of God is very clear on what we must do to be saved, what is right and wrong and how we are to live. It is man who takes away and adds to in order to maintain his current lifestyle or what he wants to hear. Following God's word is not easy but in the end it all that truly matters.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:05 am |
  5. Rainer Braendlein

    Present your body as a living sacrifice, St. Paul said.

    "I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage.", Osler said.

    This is like someone would say: "I am an ecofreak, and I am in favor of brown coal power stations without filter."

    An orderly marriage between man an woman shall represent the relationship between Christ and his Church, which is a relationship of love and joyful partnership.

    Christ (the man) is strong, and the Church (the woman) is weak in herself. The Church needs to be guided by her bridegroom Christ. The Church gladly welcomes Christ's guidance and voluntarily invites him every day to take over rule.

    It is important to note that Christ only leads us, if we ask him for that. Even after (sacramental) baptism we are no Christ-robots, but still have a free human will. Christ considers our free human will and doesn't skip over it. However, it is in our own interest to daily ask Christ for help. We can overcome our sinfulness only by Christ. We are absolutely sinful in ourselves. Only by Christ's impact we can do works of love and righteousness. Only if we have lived a life of love and righteousness, we will finally enter heaven.

    A woman, biologically seen, is weaker than a man. Hence, any wife would be wise, if she would voluntarily ask her male partner for some guidance every day. A wife should never be the limp slave of her husband, but a kind partner of him. Yet, wife and husband have different capabilities and both should consider that. They can complement each other. The husband is not the master of his wife, but her partner, who promotes the marriage by his characteristic as man. The husband puts his arm around his wife and if she is wise, she will thank him for that and enjoy it.

    I strictly reject the Islamic marriage, where the wife is a limp slave of the husband. That is not according to Christ's will and not much better than gay marriage. The Islamic marriage is an abomination in God's eyes and even demonic. It rather represents the rule of the law over the human being as long as he or she doesn't believe in the Redeemer Jesus, the kind bridegroom, who kills the bridegroom "law".

    Gay marriage is objectonable, because it is outside God's eternal order. Gay marriage is ill. It would be as ill as Christ would marry another Christ, or the Church would marry another Church. Absolutely meaningless, just mad.

    Furthermore gay marriage is a clear proof for disbelief in Christ. A gay has not returned into the confident relationship, with the Lord, the Eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Assumed one has returned into the confident relationship with God, he trusts God that he once will give him a fitting wife and up to this day he will live in abstinence for God's sake. Hence, abstinence is a clear indicator for the real faith, which saves.

    Moreover, gayness is a crime against the wife, which God had actually predetermined for someone. As long as one remains gay, he can never marry the wife, which God actually wanted to give him. Everybody could be the optimal partner for a certain person of the opposite genter. If he or she is gay, this optimal relationship will never emerge. That is a great pity and regretable.

    From the Christian sight gay marriage is to reject. It is an absolute abomination in God's eyes like gayness at all. Someone who remains gay up to the end of his life will certainly get lost, even if he blieves in a cheap-grace-Jesus, which is a false Jesus. There is no assurance of salvation seperated from a life of practical love and righteousness according to God's will.

    Yet, gays and all other sinners can return into the confident relationship with the eternal God by the gospel of Jesus Christ today:

    God, the Father, delivered God, the Son, for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification.

    Believe that, dear gay or ordinary sinner, and get sacramentally baptized. At baptism you die for the sin (for example gayness, hated, greed, revenge, mean, lie, murder, adultery, fornication, anger, insulting, condemning, cursing, etc.) and you enter Christ. You die and resurrect together with Jesus. After baptism you are no longer a slave of your sinful body, but your body becomes a slave of the Spirit (of course, this only takes place, if we daily invite the Spirit to rule our sinful body, which is the real faith, which means to present the body as a living sacrifice).

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    May 20, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • EndThehate

      Great way to convince people that you are right and they are wrong.

      Let's all re-post spam.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Name*Chedar

      Rainier you seem to master the Bible well. Did you ask yourself at least once why Jesus is not married? Maybe that should at least cross your mind if you an independent thinking. Maybe it will be best to use part of your mind to explore many un-answered statement in the scripture before you post. Otherwise, you confusing the reader here without knowing well what you are posting.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:47 am |
    • jungleboo

      Head filled with fluff.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:54 am |
  6. nobody

    I agree with the author on the basis that we shouldn't turn people away from our churches etc. but I vehemently disagree with gay marriage. it clear states in Roman 1:26b-27 men and women have exchanged natural relations with unnatural one. AS christians, it is our duty to bring them to church and let the Holy Spirit take it from there. Remember the transformation that was made in Peter after his encounter with the Holy Spirit? he came from being a coward to boldness.

    May 20, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • Rick

      how about looking at it as equal protection under the law? give to caeser what is caeser's and all that

      May 20, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • EndThehate

      You should keep reading...

      Romans 2:1
      1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • JWT

      People can be against gay marriage all they want – all it means is that should not be in a gay marriage, You duty is not to beign them to church but to leave them alone in their own faith be it christian or anythign else.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Rick

      and if you do not want to do that, when can we expect that you are going to lobby to deny adulterers, liars, drunks, etc their civil rights? perhaps hindus should be a target, what with their numerous gods

      May 20, 2012 at 8:21 am |
  7. phil

    leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them" GOD said this in the old testament doesn't sound like thought it a good thing then. new testament rev 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life " GOD apparently hadn't changed his mind since. you can "think" the bible or christianity is or says this or that but plainly it says wrong is wrong and right is right, and no amount of personal justification will change it.

    May 20, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • EndThehate

      Why do you never quote these verses?

      Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
      All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)
      If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
      A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)
      Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
      When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
      If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
      "Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)
      "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

      May 20, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • JWT

      Fortunately many christians have a better view of life and god than you do.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • N&W 1000

      End the Hate, HATING is NOT telling you the truth. The true hater is the one who deceives you.

      Also, who needs Leviticus? The same prohibition is in the New Testament, where they do not have the things you cite.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:12 am |
    • The Grandmother of 6

      It would be wise if the author of this article read and reread Romans chapter 1, read the whole chapter.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:14 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      We as Christians should not condemn the gays, but invite them to become Christians.

      If a gay repents and accepts Christ as his saviour, he is welcomed in the House of the Lord, which is the Church.

      Only Christ himself has the right to send somebody to hell. At Judgement Day all disbelievers, which lived in nasty sins, will get condemned.

      Yet, it is still a time of grace. Come, dear sinner, and get reconciled with God, the Father. God will save you from hell.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • sybaris

      JWT, that doesn't even make sense.

      A view of "life" is very subjective and people who don't believe in your god have no reason to have a view of it anyway.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • Rick

      "GOD apparently hadn't changed his mind since"

      How do you know?

      May 20, 2012 at 8:23 am |
    • EndThehate

      N&W 1000 and The Grandmother of 6

      I invite you both to read...

      Romans 2:1
      1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:24 am |
    • sybaris

      Grandmother of 6, so your interpretation of your bible is the right one and everybody needs follow YOUR direction.

      Got it.

      Why don't you believe in Ra?

      May 20, 2012 at 8:25 am |
    • Rick

      Rainy the self-loathing closet queen speaks up. Rainy, your scripture are only applicable to those who accept it. Now, get back on your knees

      May 20, 2012 at 8:25 am |
  8. Rainer Braendlein

    "I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage.", Osler said.

    This is like someone would say: "I am an ecofreak, and I am in favor of brown coal power stations without filter."

    An orderly marriage between man an woman shall represent the relationship between Christ and his Church, which is a relationship of love and joyful partnership.

    Christ (the man) is strong, and the Church (the woman) is weak in herself. The Church needs to be guided by her bridegroom Christ. The Church gladly welcomes Christ's guidance and voluntarily invites him every day to take over rule.

    It is important to note that Christ only leads us, if we ask him for that. Even after (sacramental) baptism we are no Christ-robots, but still have a free human will. Christ considers our free human will and doesn't skip over it. However, it is in our own interest to daily ask Christ for help. We can overcome our sinfulness only by Christ. We are absolutely sinful in ourselves. Only by Christ's impact we can do works of love and righteousness. Only if we have lived a life of love and righteousness, we will finally enter heaven.

    A woman, biologically seen, is weaker than a man. Hence, any wife would be wise, if she would voluntarily ask her male partner for some guidance every day. A wife should never be the limp slave of her husband, but a kind partner of him. Yet, wife and husband have different capabilities and both should consider that. They can complement each other. The husband is not the master of his wife, but her partner, who promotes the marriage by his characteristic as man. The husband puts his arm around his wife and if she is wise, she will thank him for that and enjoy it.

    I strictly reject the Islamic marriage, where the wife is a limp slave of the husband. That is not according to Christ's will and not much better than gay marriage. The Islamic marriage is an abomination in God's eyes and even demonic. It rather represents the rule of the law over the human being as long as he or she doesn't believe in the Redeemer Jesus, the kind bridegroom, who kills the bridegroom "law".

    Gay marriage is objectonable, because it is outside God's eternal order. Gay marriage is ill. It would be as ill as Christ would marry another Christ, or the Church would marry another Church. Absolutely meaningless, just mad.

    Furthermore gay marriage is a clear proof for disbelief in Christ. A gay has not returned into the confident relationship, with the Lord, the Eternal God, which has made heaven and earth. Assumed one has returned into the confident relationship with God, he trusts God that he once will give him a fitting wife and up to this day he will live in abstinence for God's sake. Hence, abstinence is a clear indicator for the real faith, which saves.

    Moreover, gayness is a crime against the wife, which God had actually predetermined for someone. As long as one remains gay, he can never marry the wife, which God actually wanted to give him. Everybody could be the optimal partner for a certain person of the opposite genter. If he or she is gay, this optimal relationship will never emerge. That is a great pity and regretable.

    From the Christian sight gay marriage is to reject. It is an absolute abomination in God's eyes like gayness at all. Someone who remains gay up to the end of his life will certainly get lost, even if he blieves in a cheap-grace-Jesus, which is a false Jesus. There is no assurance of salvation seperated from a life of practical love and righteousness according to God's will.

    Yet, gays and all other sinners can return into the confident relationship with the eternal God by the gospel of Jesus Christ today:

    God, the Father, delivered God, the Son, for our sins and raised him from the dead for our justification.

    Believe that, dear gay or ordinary sinner, and get sacramentally baptized. At baptism you die for the sin (for example gayness, hated, greed, revenge, mean, lie, murder, adultery, fornication, anger, insulting, condemning, cursing, etc.) and you enter Christ. You die and resurrect together with Jesus. After baptism you are no longer a slave of your sinful body, but your body becomes a slave of the Spirit (of course, this only takes place, if we daily invite the Spirit to rule our sinful body, which is the real faith, which means to present the body as a living sacrifice).

    http://confessingchurch.wordpress.com

    May 20, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • EndThehate

      Thank you for your sophistry.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:07 am |
    • JWT

      This would be your personal opinion – some of which is hilarious in its wrongness. Proper christians also see gaynes as proper and gay marriage as something to be embraced the exact same as non-gay marriage. There is no one christian position.

      And do remmeber that your views only apply to you. Gays cannot be sinners if they do not follow your particular religious doctrine.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:08 am |
    • Reality

      Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, founders of Christian-based religions, also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingy/horn-blowing thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

      May 20, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • N&W 1000

      Bad analogy about coal.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • SciGuy

      This post represents a far greater threat to the gospel than does the article's perversion of God's word. The article is clearly contrary to the scriptures, as anyone who will read them will see. But this article is Satan appearing as an angel of light. You will not enter heaven if you believe that your righteousness has anything to do with you being there. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone, and in Christ alone. It is only his righteousness imputed to you through faith that will qualify you to be in God's presence.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Jesus said he who hears me and doesn't believe I will not judge

      May 20, 2012 at 8:17 am |
    • Rainer Braendlein

      @SciGuy

      Are you a member of a rebaptizing Free Church? You will die in your sins.

      There is no assurance of salvation seperated from a live of love and righteousness. Just read St. Paul's Epistle to the Romans.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:18 am |
    • jungleboo

      Rainer, the Pharisee.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:57 am |
  9. A W Messenger

    But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed. By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber. For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds) then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, whereas angels, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before the Lord. But these, like natural brute beasts made to be caught and destroyed, speak evil of the things they do not understand, and will utterly perish in their own corruption, and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you, having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children. (2 Peter 2:1-14 NKJV)

    May 20, 2012 at 8:01 am |
    • EndThehate

      “This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God’s eyes.”
      Ezekiel 16:48-49

      May 20, 2012 at 8:05 am |
  10. Calvin

    "I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith."

    Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Did he write this with a 'straight' face?

    May 20, 2012 at 7:53 am |
  11. lhayes

    A beautiful understanding of how all Christians could be, if they'd only embrace the Word they profess to love.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • Lily

      How true. Even if it means being attacked for their beliefs. This goes BOTH ways.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:03 am |
  12. EndThehate

    Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat. Sincerely, tired of hearing your religious guff

    May 20, 2012 at 7:51 am |
    • DragonSlayer Lights Your Fire

      the BEST post so far

      May 20, 2012 at 8:02 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      I LOL'd....It's funny cause it's true.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:19 am |
    • BamaDaniel

      Even I gotta laugh at that.or were you seriously talking to Catholic priest.hahahaha

      May 20, 2012 at 8:40 am |
  13. Gary Kinder

    2 Timothy 4:3
    For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

    The man in the article is telling you what you want to hear instead of what is actually said in the Bible. Following him is a sure path to hell. Your call. My advice is to read the Bible and see what it really says. You are responsible for you on Judgement Day.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:50 am |
    • JWT

      Yet christians who embrace the bible are accepting of gays and gay marriage. Besides your gods words apply only to you yet you try to make them apply to others. The only person whose position needs to be reexamined is you.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • One one

      I find it am musing how so often the Christian argument boils down to BELIEVE OR BURN !!!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • sybaris

      and people that quote bible verses don't comprehend that it's no different than using the Koran as their reference.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:56 am |
    • SciGuy

      That passage nails it, Gary. Good post. And CNN loves to provide the scratchers a free platform for their perversions of God's word.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • EndThehate

      You are right many "Christians" forget these verses.

      Luke 6:37
      "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

      Romans 2:1
      1)You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

      Matthew 7:1-5
      1DO NOT judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves.
      2For just as you judge and criticize and condemn others, you will be judged and criticized and condemned, and in accordance with the measure you [use to] deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you.
      3Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in your brother's eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye?
      4Or how can you say to your brother, Let me get the tiny particle out of your eye, when there is the beam of timber in your own eye?
      5You hypocrite, first get the beam of timber out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the tiny particle out of your brother's eye.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:57 am |
    • SciGuy

      Huge difference Sybaris. The Bible is the infallible, God-breathed word of life, while the Quran is just another religious product of man.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:00 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      SciGuy has no evidence to back his ridiculous claim. Your moniker is an oxymoron.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:21 am |
    • sybaris

      Steve, SciGuy was just being facetious.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:28 am |
    • AtheistSteve

      My bad....a POE is indistinguishable from a religious fanatic.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • Blake

      Exactly right Gary. We must each examine our own lives and sin and make a decision to turn away from sin or to continue in sin.

      May 20, 2012 at 9:18 am |
  14. Reality

    ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS:–>>>>>>>>>------->>>>>>>>>>>>

    First, let us eliminate the god and Christian effects from the gay union discussion with a prayer:

    The Apostles' Creed 2011: (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen

    P.S. And how do Episcopalians moralize about anything considering Henry VIII was the founder of their church?????
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    May 20, 2012 at 7:49 am |
  15. Lily

    That so many people here hate others for their opinions and beliefs is truly alarming. Hating someone because of their beliefs or lifestyle is always wrong. If you think Christians, Muslims and others with world views different from your own deserve hatred and death, it's an old, sad story.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:34 am |
    • Sane Person

      You've got it backwards. Gays are not trying to ban hetero marriage. Gays are not attempting to stop religious people from serving in the military. Gays are not introducing legislation to ban the religious zealot lifestyle choice. That would be the other side, attempting to keep gays from thier freedoms. That is discrimination, bigotry and hatred.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Lily

      I don't have it backwards. If someone has the opinion that gay marriage should not be made legal whether it is because of their beliefs at not (yes, there actually are people who are not Christians who don't agree with gay marraige), they are pointed out as Christians deserving of hatred and death. Read some of the comments and you'll get it.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:52 am |
    • Sane Person

      Oh I've got it. No one looking for equal rights is asking for the death of "christians". It is your holy book that spouts lake of fire and eternal dam.nation drivel. As is usual, you see what you want to see, deny fact and embrace myth and magic.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Lily

      Sane person: If you consider my beliefs to be fables and fairy tales, that is your right. I won't hate you or want to kill you for it. So what do you think of those who have killed Christians for their beliefs throughout history, whether or not you agree with them? What do you say to that??? It could easily happen again, from the hatred I am seeing here. That was my point.

      May 20, 2012 at 9:11 am |
  16. sorrow

    How many will you drag to hell with you Mark? I don't know what you have, but you dont have Christ.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:30 am |
    • Sane Person

      Well, none, since it doesnt exist. I'm sure he'll be fine, and i have no doubt he thanks you for your concern.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:33 am |
    • I Love Hypocrites

      What a typically "Christian" response. I'm pretty sure Jesus, would be ashamed you call yourself his follower.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:41 am |
    • pscheuer

      That's not concern, it's condemnation. Sorrow, you are the one who has lost sight of Jesus and His command to us to love one another. It is not yours to judge.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:46 am |
    • sybaris

      Got Zeus?

      You're surely gonna burn in hell if you don't follow Zeus!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:59 am |
    • Sane Person

      No Amun is the only true god! Follow him! Or ELSE!

      May 20, 2012 at 8:16 am |
  17. One one

    Question for Christians. According to your doctrine, Everyone is a sinner (even before they are born) and god sends sinners to hell. Does that mean that before Jesus, gods plan was to send every one of his creations to hell for eternal suffering?

    May 20, 2012 at 7:23 am |
    • Damian

      No, before Jesus every one that commited a sin had to sacrife a sheep or alike depending on their situation and offer it to God, but since people constantly were commiting sins on the eyes of God he planned sending his son Jesus as the perfect sacrifice for us and to save us for the eternity since as he is perfect in everything and the only way to get us close to God is by Jesus and his love to all of us not to go to hell but to proceed to repent and follow his commandments

      May 20, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • jungleboo

      Hush, One one!! Logic is not permissible when discussing ideas with fundamentalists. That goes for fundamentalists from all three monotheisms. They will condemn you if you use logic.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:31 am |
    • One one

      So Damian, does that mean gods original plan wasn't working so he had to change his plan ? How could that be ? I thought god was perfect.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:36 am |
    • One one

      Damian, it sounds like if a person sins god requires that someone must die, either a sheep or a person.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • Calvin

      God can do what he wants to do. Bothers you much?

      May 20, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • Brian

      Things did not change because God's plan isn't perfect or that it didn't work, there are many times that the "rules" changed. Before sin (Adam and Eve) there was no reason for forgiveness. For a while God just killed everyone when they sucked at life. Then Leviticus came along. Then Jesus. You should look up dispensations.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • Mike Blackadder

      From the creed:
      He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried,
      He descended into Hell
      On the third day he rose again.

      Christ offered his saving graces to those who had died before His coming.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:51 am |
  18. _

    Blah blah blah.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:04 am |
  19. jungleboo

    I always wondered during history classes, "What kind of men were on those tall ships that traveled the globe, destroying entire native populations in the guise of converting them? Did they think about what they were doing?"

    The answer is clear. They did not think. They only acted on the vicious word of their Babble. They smiled as they cut throats, wishing their victims out of the way. What a cancer the C's are! The world needs a cure, and we will find it. But it is truly unpleasant work.

    May 20, 2012 at 7:01 am |
    • Mike Blackadder

      Jungleboo, they came for gold. I thought Christians were the ones who thought the world was flat? So which is it?

      Besides, it was mostly small-pox that killed off populations of natives. Their immune systems simply couldn't handle what the Europeans brought with them.

      May 20, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  20. Religion is not healthy for a boy's ass and other living things

    Prison changes thing.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • Atheist

      Ha ha ha. Nice goof on that idiotic troll.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:25 am |
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