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My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage
The author backs same-sex marriage because of his faith, not in spite of it.
May 19th, 2012
02:00 AM ET

My Take: The Christian case for gay marriage

Editor's Note: Mark Osler is a Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

By Mark Osler, Special to CNN

I am a Christian, and I am in favor of gay marriage. The reason I am for gay marriage is because of my faith.

What I see in the Bible’s accounts of Jesus and his followers is an insistence that we don’t have the moral authority to deny others the blessing of holy institutions like baptism, communion, and marriage. God, through the Holy Spirit, infuses those moments with life, and it is not ours to either give or deny to others.

A clear instruction on this comes from Simon Peter, the “rock” on whom the church is built. Peter is a captivating figure in the Christian story. Jesus plucks him out of a fishing boat to become a disciple, and time and again he represents us all in learning at the feet of Christ.

During their time together, Peter is often naïve and clueless – he is a follower, constantly learning.

After Jesus is crucified, though, a different Peter emerges, one who is forceful and bold. This is the Peter we see in the Acts of the Apostles, during a fevered debate over whether or not Gentiles should be baptized. Peter was harshly criticized for even eating a meal with those who were uncircumcised; that is, those who did not follow the commands of the Old Testament.

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Peter, though, is strong in confronting those who would deny the sacrament of baptism to the Gentiles, and argues for an acceptance of believers who do not follow the circumcision rules of Leviticus (which is also where we find a condemnation of homosexuality).

His challenge is stark and stunning: Before ordering that the Gentiles be baptized Peter asks “Can anyone withhold the water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”

None of us, Peter says, has the moral authority to deny baptism to those who seek it, even if they do not follow the ancient laws. It is the flooding love of the Holy Spirit, which fell over that entire crowd, sinners and saints alike, that directs otherwise.

My Take: Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality

It is not our place, it seems, to sort out who should be denied a bond with God and the Holy Spirit of the kind that we find through baptism, communion, and marriage. The water will flow where it will.

Intriguingly, this rule will apply whether we see homosexuality as a sin or not. The water is for all of us. We see the same thing at the Last Supper, as Jesus gives the bread and wine to all who are there—even to Peter, who Jesus said would deny him, and to Judas, who would betray him.

The question before us now is not whether homosexuality is a sin, but whether being gay should be a bar to baptism or communion or marriage.

Your Take: Rethinking the Bible on homosexuality

The answer is in the Bible. Peter and Jesus offer a strikingly inclusive form of love and engagement. They hold out the symbols of Gods’ love to all. How arrogant that we think it is ours to parse out stingily!

I worship at St. Stephens, an Episcopal church in Edina, Minnesota. There is a river that flows around the back and side of that church with a delightful name: Minnehaha Creek. That is where we do baptisms.

The Rector stands in the creek in his robes, the cool water coursing by his feet, and takes an infant into his arms and baptizes her with that same cool water. The congregation sits on the grassy bank and watches, a gentle army.

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At the bottom of the creek, in exactly that spot, is a floor of smooth pebbles. The water rushing by has rubbed off the rough edges, bit by bit, day by day. The pebbles have been transformed by that water into something new.

I suppose that, as Peter put it, someone could try to withhold the waters of baptism there. They could try to stop the river, to keep the water from some of the stones, like a child in the gutter building a barrier against the stream.

It won’t last, though. I would say this to those who would withhold the water of baptism, the joy of worship, or the bonds of marriage: You are less strong than the water, which will flow around you, find its path, and gently erode each wall you try to erect.

The redeeming power of that creek, and of the Holy Spirit, is relentless, making us all into something better and new.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Mark Osler.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Christianity • Episcopal • Gay marriage • My Take • Opinion

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  1. A Serpent's Thought

    C'mon people of right-mindedness! Call perverts what they truly are! Perverts! Why does one have to be politically correct to not call sensual gayness sodomy, an Act of perversion? Call a pervert a pervert in any action that does not adhere to the naturalnesses of "heteralism"! You "heteralists" who act out in ways of sodomy are giving way to the LGBT crowds who are the viled manifested perverts of sensualisms! Respect your woman and do not violate her in such abnormal and unnatural reletavisms of the sensual kind! I do await the banter of perverse sensualists who in their vanities will want to protest my words! I await your heretcal words of disruptions wickedness!

    May 20, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • Hey Serpent

      An incestuous child molester calling other people perverts?
      lol just.....lol

      May 20, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Hitting the hard liquor again I see?

      May 20, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Hey Serpent

      You are a fvcking liar, I am no child molester! Never was and never will be you perverted slanderer!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Voice of Reason

      Gotta hit the bottle every once in a while!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      He's probably some two bit pastor that will eventually get caught with a male pro sti tute. . .that's how these over-zealous guys usually end up.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You must hit the bottle quite a lot, Serpent's Anus. Probably whenever you wish you could 'hit' some boy and can't get a nibble.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  2. RJ

    I'm increasingly convinced CNN's Belief Blog isn't about covering "the faith angles of the day's biggest stories" but about finding as many angles as possible to attack the Christian Faith. Personally, I'm sick of it.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • momoya

      Interesting perspective.. I wish they were doing more to get rid of such a disgusting belief as one in a horrible, torturing dictator like bible god.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • sam stone

      awwww.......feeling a bit put upon little fella? tell you what, you stop denying people CIVIL rights and we will stop hurting your feelings. okay, time to put on your big boy pants and realize we are in the 21st century, and iron age myths do not apply anymore.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
    • Old Timer

      RJ,

      Gosh, you should have seen the blogs way back about 500 years ago when the geocentrism folks went at it! Maybe we'll get this faith in supernatural stuff one ironed out one day too.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • nexus974

      Then don't read it.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Here Sam Stone, pass the Kleenex to "RJ". . .it's the right thing to do whenever we see a fellow grown adult sobbing like a little girl who just had her lollipop taken away. Don't worry RJ, the world will continue despite the fact that your religion is no longer able to torture and kill the nonbelievers. Life goes on. Why don't you make yourself useful and go feed the poor, clothe the needy and such.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:09 pm |
    • sybaris

      Sorry RJ, if you just want pablum only hear what promotes your fantasy then you're more than welcome to spend your time on the forums of CARM. You won't learn anything of value there but maybe you'll feel more comfortable.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:10 pm |
    • BlackCalvinist

      RJ – pretty much. The people who write these articles and approve them really don't READ their bibles nor believe them. It's just more foolishness to make a bunch of other 60-watt thinkers like themselves believe they are the dawn.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:13 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Black Calvinist

      I guess it's decidedly inconvenient for you that the majority of really intelligent people around the world are atheists, huh?

      May 20, 2012 at 7:19 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      What's the difference between most atheists and most Christians? Most atheists have actually read and studied the bible.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • momoya

      @ sybaris

      LOL, Carm.. I almost forgot about that place!. What a shining example of religious indoctrination AGAINST rational thought.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
  3. Phillco

    Religion has no place in making laws for the united states. It shouldn't make a difference what the bible says about gay or straight marriage. It is a matter if equality and fairness period.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
  4. A Serpent's Thought

    @ sam stone,"Triston: Equal rights always bother bigots. Whether they are wrapped up in a flag or a bible, it is still bigotry. I dare you to put forth a secular reason to deny marriage equality. Go ahead, I dare you."

    Is this a loaded question? Secularism,,,,,,,,,,,,,,? I'm a low-balled Xtian and I take my views very seriously! THE LGBT-heads should be below the heads of the hetero-crowds! It's kinda like I hate their actions of sensualism in their corn-holing agendas! Although they might get pleasure from such actions, I would surely hate to see the whole world becoming gay perverts!

    May 20, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Don't you become one and you'll have me and other straight people to live in society with.or go to the moon I here it's nice this time of year

      May 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      I want to have rough secks with both of you butt holes via a broken broom handle.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • sam stone

      interesting that you think about it so much.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Hey Serpent

      News flash–
      Nobody gives a rat's dick what some illiterate schizophrenic child molesting jackass thinks about social and ethical questions.
      kthx bai!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:07 pm |
    • momoya

      He saw those priests keep getting forgiveness from his Jesus and he figured he didn't have a thing to lose.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • A Serpent's Thought

      @ Hey Serpent

      Lie all you want, I ain't scared of you or anyone! My brothers and sisters will help me out if ever I am in a jam!

      May 20, 2012 at 7:31 pm |
  5. Timothy

    Cnn you suck! Why don't you let me post! Its because you know my Christian views go against your Liberal ideology!

    May 20, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • momoya

      Yes, it's either a personal vendetta against your incredible logic and the political views you have, or it's a three-letter combination that the word filter automatically detects.

      Const itution "t i t"
      V a gue "v a g i n a"

      May 20, 2012 at 6:48 pm |
    • Helpful Hints

      No, Timmy, you are not being 'persecuted'.

      Bad letter combinations / words to avoid if you want to get past the CNN automatic filter:
      Many, if not most, are buried within other words, so use your imagination.
      You can use dashes, spaces, or other characters or some html tricks to modify or the "offending" letter combinations.
      ---
      ar-se.....as in ar-senic.
      co-ck.....as in co-ckatiel, co-ckatrice, co-ckleshell, co-ckles, etc.
      co-on.....as in rac-oon, coc-oon, etc.
      cu-m......as in doc-ument, accu-mulate, circu-mnavigate, circu-mstances, cu-mbersome, cuc-umber, etc.
      cu-nt.....as in Scu-nthorpe, a city in the UK famous for having problems with filters...!
      ef-fing...as in ef-fing filter
      ft-w......as in soft-ware, delft-ware, swift-water, drift-wood, etc.
      ho-mo.....as in ho-mo sapiens or ho-mose-xual, ho-mogenous, etc.
      ho-rny....as in tho-rny, etc.
      hu-mp… as in th-ump, th-umper, th-umping
      jacka-ss...yet "ass" is allowed by itself.....
      ja-p......as in j-apanese, ja-pan, j-ape, etc.
      koo-ch....as in koo-chie koo..!
      nip-ple
      o-rgy….as in po-rgy, zo-rgy, etc.
      pi-s......as in pi-stol, lapi-s, pi-ssed, therapi-st, etc.
      p-orn… as in p-ornography
      pr-ick....as in pri-ckling, pri-ckles, etc.
      que-er
      ra-pe.....as in scra-pe, tra-peze, gr-ape, thera-peutic, sara-pe, etc.
      se-x......as in Ess-ex, s-exual, etc.
      sl-ut
      sn-atch
      sp-ank
      sp-ic.....as in desp-icable, hosp-ice, consp-icuous, susp-icious, sp-icule, sp-ice, etc.
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      sp-ook… as in sp-ooky, sp-ooked
      strip-per
      ti-t......as in const-itution, att-itude, ent-ities, alt-itude, beat-itude, etc.
      tw-at.....as in wristw-atch, nightw-atchman, etc.
      va-g......as in extrava-gant, va-gina, va-grant, va-gue, sava-ge, etc.
      who-re....as in who're you kidding / don't forget to put in that apostrophe!
      wt-f....also!!!!!!!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Timmy, I'm sure CNN would never ban you from posting for being a "Conservative". On the contrary, I'm sure they welcome people like you. . . .it gives people like us the opportunity to crush your beliefs in myths and fairy tales into oblivion.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
  6. Answer4yrself

    And the point of this discussion is to determine what?

    May 20, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  7. John

    Persinally I don't have a problem with Gay Mariage.I do have a problem with it being in church. It's like the church is ripping out pages of The Bible to increase the size of their congrigation, and increase money.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      The church makes money you say? Like a company? Don't companies and businesses pay taxes?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • Ting

      It's like the church is ripping out pages of The Bible to increase the size of their congrigation, and increase money

      In other words, status quo?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • sam stone

      government determines legal marriage. church can have religious marriage. government is bound to treat all citizens equally. churches can discriminate in any way they feel is pleasing to their god. it won't matter. church ceremonies should have NO leagal status.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
  8. Wrath of Zeus

    Did you know Jesus was known to give the best rusty trombone in all the land? He would even perform the miracle of the Cleveland steamer on the faithful peoples chests. True story.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • LOL

      Do this is Remembrance of Me........all hail the Cleveland steamer.....splat, amen.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      His butt licking and shaft jerking simultaneously were 2nd to none.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  9. Jez

    I cannot believe so many people try to run their lives by an archaic book that has nothing to do with today. That is scary. Most cultures were tortured into "accepting" Christianity. That there is still such an ardent following is pathetic.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      Agreed. Religion is such bunk.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:33 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Ask the natives of the Americas

      May 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • Joe from CT, not Lieberman

      The real problem is most people who claim to follow the Bible have never read it. Or if they have, they tend to only read the passages that others have told them will reinforce what they already believe. Back in the 1830s to 1850s, Christian churches were using the exact same books, chapters and verses to support both slavery and abolition. As I have often posted in other comments on this blog section. 99.9% of the people who claim to have read the Bible have only read a currently available translation, and not the original Greek or Hebrew. The nuances of not only the words used, but the contexts the are used in have significantly different meanings in those two languages than they do in the English of the KJV, the NRSV, the Douay, or the Jerusalem (to name four of the more popular English versions). Without that knowledge, they are incapable of truly understanding the words of the evangelists. While I admit that I cannot read those languages, I have read what the original verses said along with critical analysis of the words in context of the timeframe that they were written in. Based on that, even Justice Scalia would be hard pressed to follow the chapter and verse of Rome given the nuances of the meanings from the 1st Century AD.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • BamaDaniel

      Misunderstood natural disasters.and er visits

      May 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Joe from CT, Christianity is the biggest mess in this world's history. . . .thousands of denominations all believing they have THE truth because they found it in the bible while all disagreeing with each other. If the bible is so clear, why so many denominations interpreting the bible differently? They're a HUGE mess.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
  10. christopher ryan cook

    if all Christians held beliefs like this, the world would be a much better place. i see all the people with "what would Jesus do?" bracelets. Jesus would do the following (in the U.S.A.): medicare for all, legalize all drugs, legalize gay marriage, destroy the wall between the U.S.A. and Mexico and consequently give the U.S. border patrol agents something useful and productive to do, end U.S. military aggression around the world, direct election of U.S. presidents, the national initiative for democracy, urge Christians to be more productive on Sundays instead of seeing who can wear the nicest clothes to church.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  11. Voice of Reason

    I was contemplating ordering satellite television (Dish) but upon perusing the basic or lower tier I found that it is loaded with religious channels. I don't want to pay one cent to have this programing coming into my home. Does anyone know if you can have religious channels removed?

    May 20, 2012 at 6:24 pm |
    • Nice

      That is a great question. I wish cable company's would mirror Sushi order slips. You get a paper that has all the channels available, you check mark the ones you what and pay for the channels itself. You pick 24, you pay for 24 and so on. You truly pay for what you want. Just my take.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      I am a bit concerned that if I cannot get rid of the religious channels I'll throw something at my new 60".

      May 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • n8263

      Your money will not go to those religious institutions. The reason they are on the lowest pricing tier is because it is free content for the provider.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • One one

      Actually they can be entertaining to watch. They always ask for money. Many promise miracles from god if you send money. Some go so far as to imply you will displease god if you don't send money. Others claim if you send $1000 dollars, you will receive a "financial anointing" within 7 days. It's cute what Christians believe.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:34 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      Isn't all of that a sin in Christianity? The making money off god part.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Wrath of Zeus, the Christian bible clearly states that only the rich will get to heaven. . .Jesus totally hated the poor. . .if I remember correctly, he used to call them lazy bums and would regularly spit on the beggars as he drove past them on the streets of Jerusalem while driving in his Rolls Royce. . . .it's all in the bible. Conservatives follow it word for word.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      Thanks for that info. Very enlightening. Isn't there a passage about giving away all earthly possessions as well?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:56 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Wrath of Zeus, I was being totally serious!. . .I'm just kidding. I was trying to be funny. Anytime I see how the pope and televangelists live in obscene luxury while kids are starving to death in the world, I see it as some type of really perverted joke. It's as if these religious leaders are mocking everything their "savior" supposedly said about poverty while still making themselves out to be the authority on the bible.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
  12. Reality

    Only for the those interested in a religious update:
    1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482

    “New Torah For Modern Minds

    Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.

    Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.

    The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
    prob•a•bly
    Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

    2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).

    Current problems:
    Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,

    3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.

    This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.

    And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.

    Current crises:

    The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.

    4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."

    The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."

    Current problems:

    The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.

    5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."

    "However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"

    Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.

    Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.

    Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!

    May 20, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • Wow...

      you've must have been waiting for this topic for weeks. That's a lot of reading, most people won't get past the first paragraph, just saying.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Thank you "Reality", that was very informative. Usually, when people post these really long posts, they are religious fanatics who cut and paste the same things over and over directly from their book of myths as if we are somehow supposed to believe it just because they found it in their bibles.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:39 pm |
    • .....

      It is always the same bull crap. Hit report abuse on it and move on.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Reality

      For those who are reading challenged: A PowerPoint slide-

      SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
      THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.

      SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
      THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.

      SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
      ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.

      Added details upon request.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
  13. be

    The conservatives rarely like to see a mirror put up to their face. Not surprising.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:13 pm |
  14. Triston

    CNN, I dare you to ask Rick Warren, James Dobson, or Billy Graham to write an article on this topic. You probably won't because they will oppose your obvious pro-gay agenda. But, in the spirit of fair reporting, I dare you.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • momoya

      Umm. w. t f??

      CNN I dare you to get a really short haircut!! I dare you!!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • True Story

      Yeah, um, maybe this word "agenda" should be shelved for a few decades.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • just sayin

      Two of the three cited I would not follow to a dog fight. God bless

      May 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • sam stone

      Triston: Equal rights always bother bigots. Whether they are wrapped up in a flag or a bible, it is still bigotry. I dare you to put forth a secular reason to deny marriage equality. Go ahead, I dare you.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • just sayin

      There is no equal rights issue. No one has the right to sin. God bless

      May 20, 2012 at 6:17 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      I would prefer to see Rev. Fred Phelps. . . .he's more interesting than the guys you named.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Momoya, that was funny!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Wrath of Zeus

      No ones regardless of religious beliefs should have their civil rights denied to them. Fvck you.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
    • Real Deal

      Triston,

      There were two, TWO, articles in the past week or so regarding Billy Graham's viewpoint on this:

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/10/my-take-on-gay-marriage-obama-billy-graham-and-a-tale-of-2-christianities/comment-page-4/#comment-1273078

      http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/03/billy-graham-backs-north-carolinas-gay-marriage-ban/comment-page-45/?replytocom=1272156#respond

      Quit it with the persecution complex, will ya'?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • One one

      @justsayin: wrong again. No believing in your god is a "sin" according to your bible. Not believing is everyone's right.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:26 pm |
    • Real Deal

      Triston,

      Also, all viewpoints are allowed here, unlike so many Christian web sites, where they delete posts and ban posters with opposing comments.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • LOL

      What is a "pro-gay agenda?" Is that like a pro New Yorker agenda? Pro Coloradoan agenda? If someone defends the rights of New Yorkers to marry, will it make my Coloradoan marriage any less significant? Does the creator of the universe have an issue with Coloradoans getting married that we better take into account here?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • just sayin

      There is no equal rights issue . No one has the right to criminal activity. God bless

      May 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • LOL

      What is criminal about marrying the person you love. This is a civil rights issue.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      just sayin': this is certainly a civil rights issue. and we have a spiritual duty to rid ourselves from iron age fables we feel are immoral.

      May 20, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
  15. 77777

    15 When one of those at the table with him heard this, he said to Jesus, “Blessed is the one who will eat at the feast in the kingdom of God.”

    16 Jesus replied: “A certain man was preparing a great banquet and invited many guests. 17 At the time of the banquet he sent his servant to tell those who had been invited, ‘Come, for everything is now ready.’

    18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’

    19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’

    20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’

    21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’

    22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’

    23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”

    May 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • True Story

      That story sucks

      May 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • Reality

      "Thum-ptations" are a two-way street:

      For example:

      JC's family and friends had it right 2000 years ago ( Mark 3: 21 "And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him: for they said, He is beside himself.")

      Said passage is one of the few judged to be authentic by most contemporary NT scholars. e.g. See Professor Ludemann's conclusion in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 24 and p. 694.

      Actually, Jesus was a bit "touched". After all he thought he spoke to Satan, thought he changed water into wine, thought he raised Lazarus from the dead etc. In today's world, said Jesus would be declared legally insane.

      Or did P, M, M, L and J simply make him into a first century magic-man via their epistles and gospels of semi-fiction? Many contemporary NT experts after thorough analyses of all the scriptures go with the latter magic-man conclusion with J's gospel being mostly fiction.

      Obviously, today's followers of Paul et al's "magic-man" are also a bit on the odd side believing in all the Christian mumbo jumbo about bodies resurrecting, and exorcisms, and miracles, and "magic-man atonement, and infallible, old, European/Utah white men, and 24/7 body/blood sacrifices followed by consumption of said sacrifices. Yummy!!!!

      So why do we really care what a first century CE, illiterate, long-dead, preacher/magic man would do or say?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      "Reality", the Jesus story was VERY obviously embellished with earlier god myths and stories. All of the "miracles" found the NT can be found in other earlier gods. . .the writers of the NT had several decades after Jesus supposedly lived to embellish these Jesus stories. All Christians should be required to do research on earlier gods just so they can see for themselves how fake these Jesus stories really are.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:53 pm |
  16. n8263

    Christians should care about as much what the Bible says regarding homosexuality as they do about how it commands parents to stone their disobedient children to death.

    May 20, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      Are you a broken record? Just because you changed your screen name doesn't mean we don't recognize your trite comment that you keep blogging over and over. It didn't make sense the first time I saw it, and it still doesn't now. CNN should pay you pitifully.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • n8263

      What are you talking about?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • be

      It is interesting that anything you don't agree with (and can't argue againsts) Gauis, you dismiss as a "broken record."

      May 20, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
  17. manofgod

    WE ARE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH! CHRISTIANS AND JEWS UNDERSTAND THIS!

    May 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Wrong again

      When did Noah not only had the time to go to both North and South poles to get Polar bears, penguins etc, but have time to build a cooling system to keep them alive?? Noah's story is a myth, told to children, no different than a Brothers Grimm.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      OMG! Quick! Round up all the animals! Don't forget the dinosaurs, two of each!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • Ting

      You guys are leaving out a very important detail. Noah was 500 to 600 years old when he built the ark. Everyone knows that a 500 year old can accomplish much more than the average 30 year old man.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:41 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      Well you know that "manofgod" is really serious about this if he's typing his message to the world in ALL CAPS.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things, .

    May 20, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      No, going from dial-up to fiber optic changes everything!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Wrong

      Abraham Lincoln was an atheist....he freed the slaves.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • nope

      @voice of reason?
      nope

      May 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • nope

      @wrong
      nope

      May 20, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @nope

      nope

      May 20, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • is nope yet another herbie handle?

      yep

      May 20, 2012 at 6:31 pm |
    • herbie

      There is no herbie, nope

      May 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
  19. be

    The "religious right" agenda: 1) Control women's reproductive rights. 2) Keep ministers out of jail for illicit se x ual conduct. 3) Protect our material possessions from lawsuits and taxes.
    The "gay agenda" 1) Marry and live in legally recognized monogamous relationships. 2) Form loving families in which we can raise children (often adopted from straights who did not want them) in a stable home as a couple. 3) Serve our country in the military.
    Seems pretty obvious to me which of those agendas a loving God would smile upon and which He would take his chain to in the temple.

    May 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      You are misrepresenting a few points here, so it is obvious that your comment is garbage. Anyone that has to misrepresent someone's position doesn't have the high ground, and is hiding from the truth. If you have to lie about something to persuade someone, your product is garbage.

      May 20, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • GauisCaesar

      Also, you have blogged this exact same trite comment about 10 times on this site in the past 2 days. Quite unoriginal, leading to me to ask if this is even your work, or are you believing someone else's unresearched and unknowledgable comments.

      May 20, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • be

      Tell me what is misrepresented.....seems pretty factual to me.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Troy

      With comments like those it is no wonder it is hard to have an intelluctual disucssion with a a liberal. If that is truly you believe in your heat, that is what a conservative stands for, then you truly are misguided.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • momoya

      @ Troy

      Could you try that again in English, please?

      May 20, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • be

      Hey....these are the issues currently being debated in courts by both sides. Those are the facts. It is not based on an interpretation of a book........it is simply what is happening. That you find it disconcerting to have to defend facts rather than your (mis)interpretation of a book is what truly is misguided.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • True Story

      Learn to write English like you have a semi-functioning brain, thanks!

      May 20, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • DeeCee1000

      "be", how true, how true. Thank you for putting it so simply for everyone to read and understand. I don't think Conservatives realize how evil they have become. They make their own religions look like something the human race should be avoiding like the plague.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • be

      Thank you DeeCee. The religious right usually hate having this mirror held up to their face.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  20. travissimmons

    Reblogged this on Travis Simmons.

    May 20, 2012 at 5:54 pm |
    • True Story

      Sweet. We can all breathe easy now.

      May 20, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
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