By Anna-Maja Rappard and Nina Melendez
NEW YORK (CNN) - A group of Catholic activists gathered in front of a Manhattan cathedral Tuesday for the latest protest over a Vatican reprimand of America's largest organization of Catholic nuns.
About two dozen parishioners and former clergy gathered in front of St. Patrick's Cathedral, protesting last month's controversial report from the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith, the church's doctrinal watchdog.
Following a years-long "doctrinal assessment" investigation of the Leadership Conference of Women Religious - which represents 80% of the Catholic nuns in United States - the report found "serious doctrinal problems" and called for major reforms.
It accused the LCWR of sponsoring "certain radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith in some of the programs and presentations."
"The sisters are wonderful people who work very hard, and yes, they do care about the poor, and they do care about social concerns, and the congregation of the dogma of the faith has come down on them really hard," said Eileen Sammon, one of the protesters gathered outside St. Patrick's. "It is unfair, unjust, unconscionable, and I'm here to support them."
Wow I have been so enlightened. I can now throw away my beliefs becuase REALITY possesses the truth! I mean one man 2000 years ago has influenced the whole world and changed coutless lives for the better. Christianity has built schools, hospitals, churches, feed the hungry, took care of orphans and widiows and the poor and done countless good deeds in the name of Jesus. But wait REALITY has the real truth...lol. Tell me this, where is the Atheist food bank? How about the Atheist shelter for the homeless? Any Atheist hospitals? Any Atheist schools? Take your worthless Atheism and go away, your beliefs have helped NO ONE.
Why so angry? WHY so angry?
Why let the men in the Vatican, who have no REASON to censure the nuns get all the spotlight? Nuns go quietly (without much financial support from those gilded birds in the Vatican) about doing good. They feed the hungry, they lend shoulders to cry on, they hug the despondent, they work tirelessly and ceaselessly in the name of Jesus. Leave them ALONE.
*Go Sister Tess... now in Rome to straighten up those bad boys!*
If 24 people is all the anti-Catholic side can muster, then the RCC has won.
By contrast, tens or hundreds of thousands of people come out to cheer the Pope whenever he visits anywhere. Sometimes, it is even in the millions in a pious Catholic area.
It would have been 25, but I didn't hear about it till CNN....
CNN, stop blowing up tiny protests out of proportion. This is not news.
Prayer changes things
Yes, Nuns are wonderful people that work very hard, help the poor, and care about the society they live in, but that society can not change the Faith they were taught. If they need a "refresher course" so be it.
oh my, 7 protestors. boy those fake nuns really got some support. They have made up their own religion just like Henry the VIII when he couldn't get his divorce. they are not catholic but protestant, always protesting when they are told to obey God, and don't want to. just like EVE.
As long as CNN maintains its Anti-Catholic policies you will continue to see attacks on the Church.
Exactly! Meanwhile all we younger Catholics are glad to see some action being taken, and just pray that these sisters receive the grace to do the right thing and come back in accord with the Faith where they have departed from it, which, sadly, a good number have.
CNN needs to discontinue this 'Religion' section. No one there know's anything about Religion, at least Christianity, except the kind that makes it up as they go along. And the commentors here know even less. No true Christian would take anything here seriously. It;s a joke. go back to doing what you do best. destorying the culture with your hedonism.
Why should this be a surprise? It's a propaganda machine, just like CNN on TV.
More protests of this ridiculous, predatory cult should be taking place.
Yep.. Until no such more are needed.
So thought the Pharisees, the Romans, and countless others throughout the 2000+ years of the Church. You are just the latest and will have about as much effect.
If you think that the god believed in and the christianity practiced by the early jesus cult was anything like the pauline cult or the various evolved mutations throughout history or is anything like the god or religion that "christians" believe or practice today. then you are delusional..
Please disregard my comment.. After reading more of your posts, I have no wish to discuss any of your blatant stupidity..
This is a lame excuse for reporting. It doesn't even try to give facts as to anything- just that some feels a certain way. Personally, I have no empathy for people who choose a religious life and then find it isn't for them. If the Catholic Church is not what they want, become a social worker- God can be served just as well that way.
Proof Religious people are not so smart! Creationism -> HELLO Idiots look at everything with a vertebrae, 2 eyes and 2 lungs, this kinda proves it was not blinked into existence by an old bearded man but evolved from same original thing that crawled out of ocean. HINT 2+2=4 NOT 2+2=MAGIC
Is man able to create new life forms? Would we call that creationsim or evolution...the life forms we are creating that did not before exist? As a scientist, could I not deduce that an intelligent being, man, which can create a life form prove creationsim is POSSIBLE? The big question is, if there is a God, why would this God not employ evolution as a manner by which life was created? I am not one to assume man has any knowledge as to HOW God does things- if you are a fundamentalist then you probably refer to the Bible ina literal way? Maybe that is the problem? Didn't check my spelling- I'm not one to care about it- I am pretty good at understanding what people mean with mis=spellings- sorry.
I thought we had made life forms in the lab?! In that case you could look at it either way.. In one sense, it is creationism because from our perspective it was designed and brought to fruition, but in another sense, it is evolution because it was produced by an evolved life form.
As I was taught, The Catholic Church takes no position on the Creationism vs. Evolution argument, since no one was there to say otherwise. All we claim is that however God did it, it was His idea.
As with RCC priests, there are not many RCC nuns left to bully.
Thank God the number of so called Atheists never grows and some of their offspring become Priests.
Christianity ……………………..2.1 billion
Islam…………………………… 1.5 billion
Irreligious/agnostic/atheism…… 1.1 billion
Hinduism 900 million
Chinese traditional religion 394 million
Buddhism 376 million
Animist religions 300 million
African traditional/diasporic religions 100 million
Sikhism 23 million
Juche 19 million
Spiritism 15 million
Judaism…………………………………….. 14 million
Baha'i 7 million
Jainism 4.2 million
Shinto 4 million
Cao Dai 4 million
Zoroastrianism 2.6 million
Tenrikyo 2 million
Neo-Paganism 1 million
Unitarian Universalism 800,000
Rastafari Movement 600,000
Actually, Southern Celt is either ignorant or lying.. Atheism is increasing its numbers by record amounts across the globe and especially in EVERY STATE in the US.. People are leaving the catholic church in unprecedented numbers.. Facts are so cool.
Saving a lot of time protesting about religious matters: A PowerPoint slide for your refrigerator doors-
SAVING 1.5 BILLION LOST MUSLIMS:
THERE NEVER WERE AND NEVER WILL BE ANY ANGELS I.E. NO GABRIEL, NO ISLAM AND THEREFORE NO MORE KORANIC-DRIVEN ACTS OF HORROR AND TERROR LIKE 9/11.
SAVING 2 BILLION LOST CHRISTIANS:
THERE WERE NEVER ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS AND THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY BODILY RESURRECTIONS I.E. NO EASTER, NO CHRISTIANITY.
SAVING 15.5 MILLION FOLLOWERS OF JUDAISM:
ABRAHAM AND MOSES PROBABLY NEVER EXISTED.
Added details upon request.
Yeah...get rid of all the religions and then we can just count the people we all murder and not have to worry about the accuracy of labels. We will still kill with or without religion- that's reality.
Recognizing the flaws, follies and frauds in the foundations of Islam, Judaism and Christianity, the "bowers", kneelers" and "pew peasants" are converging these religions into some simple rules of life. (e.g. Do No Harm!!!) No koran, bible, clerics, nuns, monks, imams, evangelicals, ayatollahs, rabbis, professors of religion or priests needed or desired.
Ditto for houses of "worthless worship" aka mosques, churches, basilicas, cathedrals, temples and synagogues.
How sad, another lost soul bereft of Hope.
Free Will and Future are inherent to all the thinking beings in the Universe. This being the case, it is not possible to alter life with prayers. Statistically, your request might come true but it is simply the result of the variability/randomness of Nature..
So put down your rosaries and prayer beads and stop worshiping/revering cows or bowing to Mecca five times a day. Instead work hard at your job, take care of aging parents, volunteer at a soup kitchen, donate to charities and the poor and continue to follow the proper rules of your religion or any good rules of living as gracious and good human beings.
I LEARNED SOMETHING INTERESTING ABOUT NUNS A FEW YEARS BACK.
NEVER PULL OUT.
This is a human. It has nothing to do with religion.
Putting all the major religions into proper 21st century perspective:
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1. origin: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E1EFE35540C7A8CDDAA0894DA404482
“New Torah For Modern Minds
Abraham, the Jewish patriarch, probably never existed. Nor did Moses. The entire Exodus story as recounted in the Bible probably never occurred. The same is true of the tumbling of the walls of Jericho. And David, far from being the fearless king who built Jerusalem into a mighty capital, was more likely a provincial leader whose reputation was later magnified to provide a rallying point for a fledgling nation.
Such startling propositions – the product of findings by archaeologists digging in Israel and its environs over the last 25 years – have gained wide acceptance among non-Orthodox rabbis. But there has been no attempt to disseminate these ideas or to discuss them with the laity – until now.
The United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism, which represents the 1.5 million Conservative Jews in the United States, has just issued a new Torah and commentary, the first for Conservatives in more than 60 years. Called "Etz Hayim" ("Tree of Life" in Hebrew), it offers an interpretation that incorporates the latest findings from archaeology, philology, anthropology and the study of ancient cultures. To the editors who worked on the book, it represents one of the boldest efforts ever to introduce into the religious mainstream a view of the Bible as a human rather than divine docu-ment. “
Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
2. Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".
Current RCC problems:
Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!
2 b., Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).
Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,
3. Mohammed was an illiterate, womanizing, lust and greed-driven, warmongering, hallucinating Arab, who also had embellishing/hallucinating/plagiarizing scribal biographers who not only added "angels" and flying chariots to the koran but also a militaristic agenda to support the plundering and looting of the lands of non-believers.
This agenda continues as shown by the ma-ssacre in Mumbai, the as-sas-sinations of Bhutto and Theo Van Gogh, the conduct of the seven Muslim doctors in the UK, the 9/11 terrorists, the 24/7 Sunni suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the 24/7 Shiite suicide/roadside/market/mosque bombers, the Islamic bombers of the trains in the UK and Spain, the Bali crazies, the Kenya crazies, the Pakistani “koranics”, the Palestine suicide bombers/rocketeers, the Lebanese nutcases, the Taliban nut jobs, the Ft. Hood follower of the koran, and the Filipino “koranics”.
And who funds this muck and stench of terror? The warmongering, Islamic, Shiite terror and torture theocracy of Iran aka the Third Axis of Evil and also the Sunni "Wannabees" of Saudi Arabia.
The Sunni-Shiite blood feud and the warmongering, womanizing (11 wives), hallucinating founder.
4. Hinduism (from an online Hindu site) – "Hinduism cannot be described as an organized religion. It is not founded by any individual. Hinduism is God centered and therefore one can call Hinduism as founded by God, because the answer to the question ‘Who is behind the eternal principles and who makes them work?’ will have to be ‘Cosmic power, Divine power, God’."
The caste/laborer system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence are problems when saying a fair and rational God founded Hinduism."
The caste system, reincarnation and cow worship/reverence.
5. Buddhism- "Buddhism began in India about 500 years before the birth of Christ. The people living at that time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system, which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts (those who did not belong to any particular caste) was continuing to grow."
"However, in Buddhism, like so many other religions, fanciful stories arose concerning events in the life of the founder, Siddhartha Gautama (fifth century B.C.):"
Archaeological discoveries have proved, beyond a doubt, his historical character, but apart from the legends we know very little about the circu-mstances of his life. e.g. Buddha by one legend was supposedly talking when he came out of his mother's womb.
Bottom line: There are many good ways of living but be aware of the hallucinations, embellishments, lies, and myths surrounding the founders and foundations of said rules of life.
Then, apply the Five F rule: "First Find the Flaws, then Fix the Foundations". And finally there will be religious peace and religious awareness in the world!!!!!
This is SO fantastic. The old farts in red dresses have no idea the can of worms they opened up. :twisted:
Good to see you! Where have you been?
And, yes, those old farts had better watch out. Their criminal organization is doomed. May they all be put in prison soon.
As for the nuns, they need to simply leave the RCC en mass.
Glad to see you back. 8)
Darn these smilies! :twisted:
Re-writing my book, (after the editors got it for round 1) goin ta school. Did my Olympic trials. Thanks !
As for leaving en-"mass", pun intended .. they ain't gonna leave this time.
That's what bugs the ole guys so much. Most of the orders are financially independent.
The ole guys can't touch em. :twisted:
Sorry it took so long to respond. I had to run errands right after posting.
I can't even remember if you said anything about a book. What genre? A science book I should hope?
I've got a book and a half I kick around from time to time and have rewritten the beginning over a hundred times. *sigh*
So when I want to have more fun I come here to attack fundies.
As to the nuns, I really don't understand, beyond the money thing, why they'd even bother staying in a cult that was written by and for misogynists.
To me, leaving en mass(yes I pun in twelve did) is their only intelligent and self-respecting course of action.
But hey what do I know I'm not a nun with Stockholm Syndrome so I am doubtlessly missing some esoteric point that totally escapes me unless I think of them as mental patients, which they sort of are...
Time for the Church to tidy up and get rid of the dissenters. It will be stronger in the long run for it.
Time for the Church to tidy up and get rid of the dissenters. It will be stronger in the long run for it.
Yes the Catholon Church needs to get rid of the wistle blowers and people pointing out the child r a p ists
Historical fiction...murder of JPI, late 1980's.
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The fact is, the Roman Church DOES approve birth control. They all USE it. The Pope was about to say "ok", but got done in for almost doing it. How very Christian of them.
Keep writing ! Very good fer ya :) great ta see you're still here. Love it here. Shooting fish in a barrel.
The "nun thing" is very complex. Good article this week in Catholic Magazine, "America". Sr. Mary Luke is wise !
The Vatican II Pastoral Consti'tution “The Church in the Modem World" stated, "With respect to the fundamental rights of the person, every type of discrimination, whether social or cultural, whether based on se'x, race, color, social condition, language or religion, is to be overcome and eradicated as contrary to God's intent".
I have no interest in Kathleen Sebelius' attacks on religion or yours either. The Catholic Faith has always approved of Birth Control, just not the chemical kind that kills the life just created. There are natural methods that don't poison a woman's body.
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