By Michael Martinez, CNN
(CNN)–The showdown between the Vatican and America's largest group of Catholic nuns is expected to peak this week when group leaders will meet to determine a response to the Vatican's reprimand for the group's "radical feminist themes."
The church also demands major reforms from the nuns' group.
The Leadership Conference of Women Religious, initially surprised by the Vatican's report last month, "plans to move slowly, not rushing to judgment" when the group's 21-member board meets for three days in Washington, D.C., beginning Tuesday.
"The board will conduct its meeting in an atmosphere of prayer, contemplation and dialogue and will develop a plan to involve LCWR membership in similar processes," the group said in a statement. "We will engage in dialogue where possible and be open to the movement of the Holy Spirit. We ask your prayer for us and for the Church in this critical time."
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This is my experience... Thank you.
MY personal testimony.
A thought to consider without an ego response
I Accepted Jesus christ as my lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
The world denounces truth....
Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.
Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.
The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.
Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners. Even once we are saved by christs merciful grace we will still experience adversity to mold us to adhering to the truth.
We will slip... But not fall of the ship ...carrying us onward to perfection in christs grace.
We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .
Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
See the truth...
do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from some other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..
Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .
Trancsend the temporal world.
Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .
Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.
Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith ....above reason in Jesus Christ.
Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....
Read Ecclesiastes. Read romans or corinthians.
You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.
Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are by faith above reason in christ.
I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .
Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?
Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.
once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it
You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus
"If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
Last eve I passed beside a blacksmith’s door,
And heard the anvil ring the vesper chime;
The, looking in, I saw upon the floor
Old hammers, worn with beating years of time.
“How many anvils have you had,” said I,
“To wear and batter all these hammers so?”
“Just one,” said he, and then with twinkling eye,
“The anvil wears the hammers out, you know.”
And so, thought I, the anvil of God’s Word,
For ages skeptic blows have beat upon;
Yet, though the noise of falling blows was heard,
The anvil is unharmed – the hammers gone.
these nuns are silly because they should not as the vatican but should ask God. Women want equality and it seems that these nuns are not believers as their egos lead them
More men are directed by ego, more women are directed by objectives.
More women take control of the situation by letting their male counterparts believe they are in control, so long as their objectives can be achieved.
When you let someone believe they are in control, it is easier to skirt past his sense and desire to control, and then being able to achieve your objectives by making him believe what you have achieved is just part-and-parcel of his grand plan.
Nude nuns with guns. Good movie.
I just saw this story on TV. Seems quite one sided - no presentation of what the Catholic Teaching is and how these nuns have vowed to follow Church teachings. The Papal intervention is present to guide these errant teachers. Should these women not want to live by the teachings of the Church or in some way think that there is a fairness and democratic vote, I would suggest they review their dissernment and rejoin the body of the Church or perhaps to continue their valuable work without accepting the mantle of and affiliation with Catholics.
So the 99% of all practicing catholics in the US that use birth control should do the same?
honey badger - this is about women who have taken a different course in life. Please stay on topic. This is about nuns and their vow to the Church. What lay persons do is a matter between themselves and their Lord.
It’s about time the Vatican exposed this corruption in our Church. Gloria Steichen tried to do it in 1991 with her book Ungodly Rage. ?http://www.amazon.com/Ungodly-Rage-Hidd?en-Catholic-Feminism/dp/0898703484
Frankly, I wish Rome wouldn’t use such kid gloves. This is a spiritual war and many of the sisters have deliberately defected to the side of the enemy.
Imagine that! Nuns being in trouble for spending too much time working with and caring for the poor, the sick, the homeless, and not enough time damning the gay folks.
Maybe I'm confused, but who did your Jesus spend his time with?
Above all Prime, don't let your animosity towards the Church and your hatred of God fearing people keep you from distorting the story
They will know them by their love. The Holy Spirit continues to work through those open to her. Working in the spirit of humility and for the people of God will lift up those who are true to their God. These women continue in the tradition of the Marys of Jesus' time. The women stood at the foot of the cross to bear witness to the truth of the evils in this world. We do not see that witness in the gold and glitter of Rome but rather in the quiet good works championed and performed by these women. The words of Rome are hollow and meaningless to the faithful, the good deeds of these women have, are, and will continue to be honored through all ages. I speak for many in the laity, the church, we stand quietly and prayerfully in solidarity with these women.
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Do you realize that the Church is much more than some gold you see on procession? The Church is all of us united under Christ and his Vicar – the Pope. Part of our family, and on a world scale this is a decreasing part, are a group of distractors and dissentors. They can still provide service to the poor and all of the other good work while not trying to pursue non-Catholic, remember we are a universal calling, secular teachings under the guise of being Catholic. Are you with us or not?
These nuns are confused with about what the church believes is best for humans and if they do not obey the church, they may leave. They can still follow their consciences and do their charitable works but they will not be part of the church. The reasons for the respect for life are very significant and we are purplexed as to why they do not get it. Madame Simon may be right that it is politics that is wedging them out and as she is saying that, obviously she is looking in the mirror.
They may not be welcome in the Catholic church; but as an Episcopalian, they are surely welcome in mine.
These Nuns need to accept that when it comes to religion, it's a mans world.
yep! men wrote the ancient myths to keep men in power. Pope clings bitterly to power and bling, because it feels SO good.
Congratulations to all uns whom have decided to do more for religion and none for politics. I guess that this Vatican reprimand will be overshadowed by the allegations of a mutiny at the Vatican and corruption at the Vatican's bank. In the meantime, the nuns will keep doing what they do best for the people whom really depend on them.
Way to oversimplify!
How do you get a nun pregnant?
Dress her up as an altar boy
Much to do about nothing as nuns and priests are near extinction.
Number on nuns in the USA, 46,000. Number of priests, 41,000. Both groups continue to have rapid loss in members..
good ... sooner=better
Well, I hope that Holy Spirit thingy works out for you. Silly notions that some people cling to.
It seems the vatican is being a bit harsh on the nuns yet when those priests were m©lesting those young b©ys they slapped them on the hand or just moved them to a new parish. Im Christian but I do not understand the heirchy of the Catholic church. How a man "pope" lets people bow before him and kiss his hand. When even Jesus while on earth humbled himself to wash the feet of the Apostals. Just saying.
There is a difference. The pedophiles who were priest are individuals committing crimes. The nuns are operating as a group outside the guidance of the Holy See. The Church is not a democracy. The Vatican has every right, indeed a duty, to require adherence to Church teachings.
Do men have more power over women or do women have more power over men. There always seems to be a power struggle ;) and the likes of ______ win the battle of the sexes!
Prayer changes things
Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!
They'll be fine. Rome is busy with the Butler-did-it thing, trying to explain all the scandals. The ole boys are lookin mighty stupid these days. The women are very wise.
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