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May 28th, 2012
05:36 PM ET

Conservative leader agrees to visit home of married gay couple for first time

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A conservative Christian leader who opposes same-sex marriage has agreed to the idea of dining at the home of a married gay couple, after saying he had never done so in an interview with CNN.

Tony Perkins, who heads the Family Research Council in Washington, received the invitation after telling CNN’s Brooke Baldwin on Thursday that he’d never been to the home of a married same-sex couple.

"My wife and I will be glad to respond when we receive the invitation to find a time that works," Perkins said in a statement to CNN on Monday, referring to the invitation.

The Family Research Council has helped lead a national movement to ban same-sex marriage, helping pass anti-same-sex marriage laws in dozens of states.

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The invitation to Perkins came from Jennifer Chrisler, the executive director of a gay rights group called Family Equality Council. Chrisler and her wife have twin 10-year-old boys, with another child on the way.

“I would like to extend an open invitation for you and your family to visit my home and have dinner with my spouse and children with the full hope that you will witness the love that exists in our families,” Chrisler wrote in her invitation, which was sent to the Family Research Council by certified mail on Friday, according to a spokesman with Family Equality Council.

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“While I recognize it may not change your mind, I hope that it might soften your heart,” Chrisler said in her invitation, which was sent to news media. “As Christians, I think we can both agree that ours is not to judge and that we must live by the golden rule.”

In an interview with Baldwin on Monday, Chrisler said she was surprised that Perkins accepted her invitation. She said she had been inspired to send it after seeing President Barack Obama announce his personal support for same-sex marriage earlier this month.

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She noted that Obama and Vice President Joe Biden said that getting to know same-sex couples who are raising kids played a big role in their decisions to support same-sex marriage.

“I tell my 10-year-olds, if you’re having problems with somebody, if you don’t understand them and they don’t understand you, talking to each other is the first step,” Chrisler said Monday.

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  1. Hot Carl

    Dey turk er jerbs!

    May 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  2. WDinDallas

    Well the chicken is great, so, do you understand the word "No"? Did your Mom and Dad ever say "no" to you?

    May 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  3. Just sayin'

    I bet dinner will be FABULOUS!!!

    May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
  4. Michelle

    Frankly, I wish they'd forcus on something else that MATTERS, and that they would have real, honest answers for. Instead of focusing on the gay population, why not focus on those who have the least chance of getting decent jobs – the population of ex-offenders. Funny they won't focus on what this administration has done for helping ex-offeders get back on their feet, find/keep their jobs and stop a cycle of going back in/out of prison. I'm sure no one knows/cares that due to the 'negligent hiring' clause, businesses CAN and DO discriminate against ex-offenders. Even if an ex-offender has had a job, they are often one of the first to be fired, even if they've done an excellent job honestly in the workplace, because of the discrimination against ex-offenders. At least gays/lesbians has the power to sue if they feel that their 'poor little feelings' have been hurt if they don't get the job/promotion they want. Ex-offenders however, have no legal protection whatsoever. Why not try writing the truth about that, CNN editors?!!! Why not try to show the truth about that, POTUS/Senators/Congresspeople, BOTH Relieorats/Demonrats? They won't – because in society, ex-offenders 'arent' worthy of their time, effort, and help'.

    May 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Terri

      It may not be important to you but it certainly is very important to thousands and thousands of others. I am not sure why we can not accomplish many things at once, it isn't as though there is only one person to do the many tasks we have needing attention.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  5. Bob

    HeavenSent, you keep referencing your Christian book of nasty AKA the bible, so let's have a look at what's really in that horrid book. Fine demands from your jerk of a god such as these:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Now, since you keep spewing about your bible, note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Please, stop referencing that Christian book of nasty, AKA the bible, as a guide to, well, anything.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    May 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Nii

      Beautiful that u know what is nasty! now apply those same principles to yourself. Discover how nasty you are! I know u think it is the Bible telling u that u r wrong or Xtians maybe. Unfortunately its not but u won't know this till you relax and learn to love others as yourself. I love u as myself!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Aaron

      Bob,
      You need to put things into perspective. You can't insult the Bible and only quote Old Testament Scripture meant for a certain people. Those Levitical laws were established to show that man can't even reach the standard of Holiness, and that the just reaction to unlawful acts is quite simply soemthing horrific, even to God. Seriously, your spouts of misinformation about the subject truly are annoying.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, you're the one that has issues with His spiritual teachings because you prefer to stay in carnal mode. There are many on line who have printed out the spiritual meanings to the scriptures that irk you. I suggest you start searching and get back to me with what you found. Oh, I forgot. You want Christians to jump through the hoops as you ignore the spiritual meanings just the same.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Terri

      Bob, christians just avoid the parts of the bible they can't use to suit their needs. It is very convenient, they won't admit they are instructed to kill their children when they don't obey or they curse their parents, sell daughters into slavery, not wear clothing of mixed material, not eat shell fish, kill folks working on the sabbath (the malls would have to close on Sunday) blah, blah, blah... Like any cult, their is no logic or reason to it.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @Aaron – and yet, we could copypasta a thousand posts from these threads from "good Christians" quoting Leviticus 18:22 as a reason they think gays are icky. Apparently, "good Christians" can quotemine the bible if it supports them, but related verses can't be used if it shows what ignorant cretins they are?

      May 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Bob

      Nope, HeavenSent and Nii, nice try at dodging the issues again and preserving your myths, but myth is all they are. Again, like I said, (and you should really read it this time, because I'll keep at you):

      "But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created."

      I'll post front and center again to be sure you read it. You can try to dodge again if you like, but that is your problem, not mine.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 29, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • TonyB

      I looked up some of the verses to be sure I could respond properly. It is funny that your tag line says "Ask the questions" but you don't do any research on the verses, you just quote them without trying to understand what they mean.

      In the Numbers verses, the issue is that the Midianite women were the cause for worshipping false gods. That is why Moses (not God) ordered the women to be killed. It was considered a very serious sin to worship false gods at that time, thus the capital punishment. However, like many things in the Old Testament, Jesus brought a new teaching. He taught to love your enemies, which would have been contrary to the order to kill the women.

      It isn't that the Old Testament is a mistake, it is that the New Testament is a new teaching. Mankind is always learning (yes, evolving), and as man changes, then the message may change to reflect our new understandings. It is kind of like learning math. First we learn to add, then to multiply (which is a form of addition but is evolved), then calculus, etc. It isn't that addition isn't the truth, it is just that as we learn, the teaching changes to new truths.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
  6. Tom

    He and his wife will probably wear a level 5 bio-hazard suit, so they don't "catch the gay".

    May 29, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  7. WOW

    http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/coelacanth/

    May 29, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • ME II

      Thanks. Good example of the wonders of nature and evolution. Cool!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I wonder why WOW posted a link about the Coelacanth?

      I got 2 guesses –

      First is that he/she thinks it "proves" evolution false. He/she probably thinks this because some lying fundiots creationist websites claim that the current Coelacanth is identical to the ones from 65 million years ago. They aren't. This just show how intellectually dishonest these fundiots are.

      Second is that he/she thinks it shows how little science knows – claiming the Coelacanth became extinct 65 million years ago, and then finding a living one in the ocean. Actually this shows how little we know about our current oceans. It isn't the fault of science that these are so rare.

      Perhaps WOW could now explain to us the evolutionary significance of creatures like lobe-finned fish, lung fish, and early tetrapods?

      May 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
  8. Robert Brown

    Christians are instructed to correct their Christian brothers and sisters with love and understanding. Christians should not try to correct LGBT people who do not believe in God. Not because they are LGBT, just because they are nonbelievers. We are only to share the good news of Jesus with nonbelievers.

    From Paul’s letter to the Philippians “Always be glad because of the Lord! I will say it again: Be glad. Always be gentle with others. The Lord will soon be here. Don’t worry about anything, but pray about everything. With thankful hearts offer up your prayers and requests to God. Then, because you belong to Christ Jesus, God will bless you with peace that no one can completely understand. And this peace will control the way you think and feel. Finally, my friends, keep your minds on whatever is true, pure, right, holy, friendly, and proper. Don’t ever stop thinking about what is truly worthwhile and worthy of praise. You know the teachings I gave you, and you know what you heard me say and saw me do. So follow my example. And God, who gives peace, will be with you.”

    Do you have that peace? If so, does it really matter what anyone else says or thinks? If not, please respond and I will be happy to tell you how to get it.

    May 29, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Tom

      hey you ever eaten shell fish? worked on sunday?

      May 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Fuyuko

      Not every christian believes being gay is wrong, or gay marriage is wrong, though.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • Bob

      Robert, your claims about Christians are bogus, and I'm being polite. Let's have a look at what the Christian holy book, that awful book of horrors, really demands of its followers. This isn't love and happiness, and it sure isn't "good news":

      Numbers 31:17-18
      17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
      18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

      Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

      Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

      Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

      And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.
      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      May 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Steve

      Fuyuko – those that do not are not practicing the word as provided to them.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Dan

      Tom: The shellfish argument is really cliche. You know full well that Jesus taught that he came to deliver people from the strictures of Mosaic Law. The heavy-laden come to him because they come to understand that they cannot measure up and are in need of grace.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • hilreal

      Do you let your wife wear pants? Leave the house without a double veil? Have multiple wives? Share your wife's handmaiden? Stone aldutresses? If not you need to get your house in order before confronting others.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Dan

      Bob: Amputees? Read the Bible; Jesus healed the ear of the High priests servant whose ear was cut off. Amputee healed.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Aaron

      To Fukuyomo,
      Ideally if you consider yourself Christian, that means you submit to the teachings of Christ. So, if you calim to be Christian and teach something other than Christ then you are not really his disciple. That's the way it is. If I claim to be Bhuddist, but say it's ok to kill the birds ... I wouldn't be a practicing Bhuddist. So, the teachsing of Christ is that man and woman would become one flesh. Divorse, even, was never intended by God. It just points to the fact that those who say they are Chrisitan but don't agree with his teaching are not his disciples.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • ME II

      @Aaron,
      Christ, as far as I'm aware, never said hom.os.exuality was wrong. The "one flesh" passage was in response to a divorce question, wasn't it? Not hom.os.exuality.

      In addition, perhaps God told them personally, that it's okay.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Bob,

      You are what folks describe as a troll. I have responded in detail to your cut and paste mosaic law references on at least two occassions that I can remember. I won't bother again, rather I will leave you with this thought. If, as it appears, you are absolutely convinced that there is no God then you are without hope. If you ever come to the realization that there could be a God then you will have some faith, which can be grown, and I would be happy to help anyway I can.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "Jesus taught that he came to deliver people from the strictures of Mosaic Law."

      So God tells Moses the people must live by these laws or be put to death and then God gets born as a human to deliver those people from the heavy burden he had placed on them and now lets them eat shelfish and not murder disobedient children because he has paid the price for our sins of eating shelfish and pork with his life?

      May 29, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Primewonk

      I'm not gay. I'm not your brother. I choose to not worship your ignorant, sick, twisted, psychotic, schizophrenic puts of a god. So I neither need or desire any type of "correction" from you fundiots hostages.

      May 29, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Dan wrote, " Bob: Amputees? Read the Bible; Jesus healed the ear of the High priests servant whose ear was cut off. Amputee healed."

      I just finished running a valid MESH query in PubMed looking for spontaneous regeneration of amputated limbs in humans.

      I got squat. Perhaps you could point is to the actual peer-reviewed science that shows this?

      May 29, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • TR6

      @TonyB:”In the Numbers verses, the issue is that the Midianite women were the cause for worshipping false gods. That is why Moses (not God) ordered the women to be killed. It was considered a very serious sin to worship false gods at that time, thus the capital punishment.”

      And how do you explain Moses’s command to “kill all the boys…but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man” And just what do you think they did with the little girls?

      May 29, 2012 at 6:38 pm |
  9. sativa619

    I think this is a good idea, and I'm certain that there will be no room for hate speech or judgment once Mr. Perkins sees with his own eyes that these families are just as normal as any other.

    May 29, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • CosmicC

      It's much harder for rational people to hate anyone once they meet as individuals.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Dean

      He will say some garbage about "love the sinner but hate the sin" and how they were fine folks to dine with. then he will go right back to his work spreading intolerance because zealots pay his bills. He'll just do it now in a cloak of pseudo-tolerance.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • dre

      he will still have to reconcile in his head that they stuff their weinershnitzels in the wrong hole.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • Atul Chaudhary

      So what you are saying is that this preacher will accept their life style once he sees their family. Why can't they produce their own kids to show their family?

      May 29, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • sotonohito

      Unfortunately his job depends on continuing to hate gay people, I'm betting his job will win.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • ME II

      "...they stuff their weinershnitzels in the wrong hole."

      ... and straight people never do that, do they? (be honest now)

      May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • LivinginVA

      dre: considering they are a lesbian couple, your statement is doubly ignorant.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  10. CosmicC

    Uh oh. I think I must have offended the censors. I just tried to agree that there is too much hatred being spewed by both sides and the post is now gone.

    May 29, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
  11. spangler

    "Did ye not know it is character which is judged and that love is never a sin?" HoeMowErectus 2:14

    May 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
  12. John

    probably just to observe the bedroom, that these evangelicals seem to be so freaking interested in. whats funny is Im sure it will look much much more fabulous than his.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
  13. Brickell Princess

    I fail to see how this is in any way shape or form constructive or even respectful. Gays don't have to prove ANYTHING and even less to some bible trumping hate monger who's soul is so dark and corrupted that he fails to see the good in all people. Would you invite Satan into your home for dinner just to show him the goodness in the world? You have nothing to prove to Satan and gays have nothing to prove to that hate monger either.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • CosmicC

      The invitation is a "Christian" act. Let's see if it's responded to in kind.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • rock woman

      I fail to see where the couple extending the invitation is trying to prove anything. Attempting to love their enemy, yes. s. Trying to erase ignorance and promote understanding, yes. Hoping to change "I was blind" to "but now I see," yes. Proving something, no.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • harry

      Unfortunately it is people entrenched in any position and spewing hate (like, em, calling people Satan) that do not help people find a place to coexist. You are right that this couple has "nothing to prove" but perhaps civility in the form of inviting and accepting a dinner and having civil conversation can go a long way to making a difference. People who hate cannot be changed easily; on the other hand those that simply do not have the life experience of knowing and loving families of different configurations from the so-called norm may have room to evolve along the lines of Mr Obama and many others who once held a different view

      May 29, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Steve

      So because he believes in the bible and as such opposes your cause he is a hate monger? The only truly abstract minded people are the minority who feel we should have to accept their abnormal behavior as normal.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Dan

      Steve: you should probably stick to words whose meaning you know. Going out on a limb like that in an effort to sound smart is not working out for you.

      May 29, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  14. Sy2502

    I wouldn't invite that pastor into my house. I have standards.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • John

      right??? I would definitely never allow a pervert in my house O.o..sincerely not being sarcastic..

      May 29, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Primewonk

      @ John – you must have a pretty empty house (life).

      Gay folks do 't do anything different sèxually than we straights do, so I guess we're all perverts.

      Go Team Sodomy!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • ME II

      There's a team?!?!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • John

      hahaha no the pastor is the pervert, derp....as they can only think and talk about what people do in the bedroom. Im team sodomy...and yes there is trust me, wish there wasnt, but there is.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  15. He didn't say

    I don't see where he "accepted" this invitation. I see where he said him and his wife would be "happy to respond" to the invitation. His "respond" answer could very likely be no thank you.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  16. rjp34652

    ARE YOU NUTS?

    Why is the media constantly forcing non-issues upon us? Gay anything is personal. Abortion anytime is personal. etc. etc. etc.

    REAL ISSUES are being hidden from sight by non-issues. Personal issues. The real issues are the economic drain of constant war upon American tax payers, the increasing grid lock of a fascist congress that only acts when big corporations and financial cartels demand money, dying social programs including education and assistance to the aged and infirm and the death of American leadership abroad.

    Does anybody really care who some church mouse has dinner with or why? Does it really matter in the scheme of things?
    Let's get real and address real issues. In the name of God, pay attention to what is really going on in this country.

    Fascist politics and a poor economy affect everybody, gay straight religious atheist ... everybody – EXCEPT big business and big banks. Get the smoke out of your eyes.

    Gays are just folks. Bankers, the real snakes, won't be asking anybody over for dinner. Wanna bet?

    but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

    May 29, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • CosmicC

      It's an issue because not everyone in this country has the same rights as those in power. Until that inequity is resolve it needs to remain in focus.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Christian Messenger

      Ok you probably havent heard this but I'll give it a whirl ...it's not the media but the religious reich which has forced the issue...and those who are the proponents of gay marriage... the religious reich is pushing back ... 🙂
      I'm all for gay marriage but I feel that the chruch should never participate in it... the power is in the State...and many Christians want to deny Gays that right for their ovbious reasons...I am willing to live and let live .... but the wickedness does not enter into my house... 🙂

      So many Christians want to legelislate the lives of others but cannot even live their own lives in an honorable manner ... 🙂
      I do not want to be one of them.. 🙂

      May 29, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • geckopelli

      You're 100% right.
      The gay thing is a non-issue- who freakin' cares?

      Everybody has the right to choose their own road to h e l l, and I don't see that one way is better than another.

      See you there!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • Freedom From Religion

      Agree with every word!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Freedom From Religion

      Agree with every word of RJP - just wanted to be clear!

      May 29, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
  17. Russell

    Realizing the good intent behind this, I still have a couple of problems with this article:

    She said, “I tell my 10-year-olds, if you’re having problems with somebody, if you don’t understand them and they don’t understand you, talking to each other is the first step,” but make sure you deliver it through the national media so the guy looks like a putz if he says no or doesn't respond instead of extending it to him privately. Class.

    Also the link to this article said he was invited by "the gays." All of us? We all invited him? How about not generalizing an entire group of people, CNN? How about identifying the woman who extended the invite as a person and not simply by a label. Again, class.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Christian Messenger

      Well now you see Russel there's your problem... taking the issue to seriously being critical of the article's addressin gof Gays as if all gays are involved shows your inability to discern the difference... I'm not blaming you but ......

      May 29, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  18. Will

    I love tea baggers.

    "WHY DON'T YALL DAMN YANKYS UP IN WASHERINGTON MIND UR OWN BUDNESS A'HYUCK?? SMALLER GUBBERMENT NOW!"

    (Someone proposing removing government restrictions on behavior they don't happen to agree with.)

    "OH NO WE NEED THE GUBBERMENT TO REGULATE **THAT**."

    Tea baggers: For smaller government. Except when it comes to regulating stuff we don't agree with.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • briawinde

      You hit it right on the nose WIll! 🙂 thanks for the humor and the laugh..while speaking the truth :))

      May 29, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • ME II

      I always wonder if people who use the term "tea bagger" are jealous of those who "tea bag" or just wish that they would get "tea bagged."

      May 29, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  19. Inis Magrath

    Dear Christians: The anger you et from LGBT people is very simple. When you tell someone that you think they belong in H_ELL you should not surprised when they tell you to go to H_ELL.

    May 29, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • WOW

      Dear LGBT, The anger you get from Christian people is very simple. When you tell someone that you think they belong in H_ELL you should not be surprised when they tell you that you will be going to H_ELL with your sinful ways.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • ME II

      @WOW,
      "When you tell someone that you think they belong in H_ELL..."
      The LGBT community has said this to Christians?

      May 29, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • CosmicC

      I know a lot of Christians who do not subscribe to this philosophy, so I don't think it's fair to paint everyone with one brush. Of course there are those like WOW who profess to be Christian, but act in such a hateful manner that you must question their real beliefs.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Fuyuko

      I'm always a bit shocked at how certain (not all), christians believe they know who will end up in hell and who will not. Only god (if he exists) decides. Although, personally, I don't believe in hell, no one can ever know.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Tom

      there's no such thing as hell.....or god, angels, virgin births, etc.. Christians are just dumber on average.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • TonyB

      As a Christian, I would say a true Christian would never tell anyone they are going or should be going anywhere. It isn't up to us to decide. So anyone saying that gays belong in Hades is not a true Christian. They may disagree with the behavior, lifestyle, whatever you want to call it, but it isn't up to them to decide who belongs where.

      May 29, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
  20. WOW

    http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

    May 29, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      OK, now, what peer reviewed scientific papers do you have to back up your claims? This is just a bunch of opinion, NOT science.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Wow" has reading comprehension problems by posting this garbage. DUH! it's called a phenotype. Now go google some more because it's still biological, just like being left handed, having blonde hair, etc.... LMAO! And what you posted was from 2003! LMAO!

      May 29, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • ME II

      First, sequencing the genome does not mean that we understand what every gene does or, more importantly, how the genes and resultant proteins interact.
      Second, just because it might not be genetic does not mean it is not biological, e.g. in utero hormone levels or hormone/chemical effects during childhood and puberty. Virtually everyone is born with a tolerance for lactose and milk but a sizable portion of the world loses that tolerance by adulthood.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • WOW

      @yeah: Guess biology explains your rudeness as well? LOL

      May 29, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Primewonk

      trueorigin is a fundiot creations website. Those folks couldn't spell AP biology if we spotted them the A and the P.

      Also, the folks who actually do the science all say that there is no single gay gene in humans. Yet you ignorant fundiots keep bringing this up. It's groupings of genes – and what they code for, how they are expressed, it's hormonal baths in utero, it's neurronal plasticity. It's neuroanatomy.

      Why do you fundiots lie WOW?

      May 29, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Scott

      eesh. The first paragraph of that article shows the authors to be idiots. The HGP is over, but all the project did was sequence the genome. There are thousands of gene SNPs that we do not understand, and there are thousands of human characteristics that we have yet to identify the genes for! To say that they didn't find the "gay gene" wasn't identified shows a profound ignorance of modern genetics.

      May 29, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "@yeah: Guess biology explains your rudeness as well?"

      Keep showing the world how much you don't understand about biology. LMAO!

      May 29, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • fred

      Primewonk
      Problem is your attempt to mix orientation with choice. All the biology in the world cannot debunk choice regardless of orientation. Orientation is also not a cause to claim God is now good with ho-mo$exuality. Once you find a gene that directs choice between good and evil then we can say God made me do it.

      May 29, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Orientation is also not a cause to claim God is now good with ho-mo$exuality. Once you find a gene that directs choice between good and evil then we can say God made me do it."

      Don't you just love the excuses this person comes up with when trying to defend their prejudice and bigotry towards this minority group? LOL! Religious people find it very annoying that people don't need God to be good, as science has now incontestably proved.

      For millennia, we've been brainwashed into believing that we needed the Almighty to redeem us from an essentially corrupt nature. Left to our own devices, people would quickly devolve into beasts, more violent, tactless, aggressive, and selfish, than we already are.

      Today, we know that this isn't true. With the discovery of mirror neurons by Italian neuroscientist Giaccomo Rizzolatti in the 1990s, we now have physiological proof of why - and how - our species became hard-wired for goodness. Mirror neurons are miraculous cells in the brain whose sole purpose is to harmonize us with our environments. By reflecting the outside world inward, we actually become each other - a little bit; neurologically changed by what is happening around us. Mirror neurons are the reason that we have empathy and can feel each other's pain. It is because of mirror neurons that you blush when you see someone else humiliated, flinch when someone else is struck, and can't resist the urge to laugh when seeing a group struck with the giggles. (Indeed, people who test for "contagious yawning" tend to be more empathic.) These tiny mirrors are the key to most things noble and good inside us.

      It is through mirror neurons - not God - that we redeem ourselves, achieve salvation, and are "reborn" in virtuous ways once co-opted by religions. Evolution knew what she was doing. A group of successful cooperators has a much higher chance of thriving than a population of selfish liars. In spite of what we read in the headlines, the ratio of bad to good deeds done on any given day across our planet holds at close to zero any day of the year. Although we are ethical works-in-progress, the vast majority of us are naturally positive creatures - meaning not harmful to our environments - most of the time in most of the ways that matter. And God has nothing to do with it.

      Spirituality does but God doesn't. Evolutionary psychologists tell us that our brains are hard-wired with a five-toned moral organ that focuses on a quintet of ethical values - one of which is purity, or sacredness. In a world that can sometimes be disgusting, we evolved an upper tier of emotional longing - the aspiration for purity - to keep us balanced in this satyricon of carnal delights (where animality beckons and frequently wins). Our need for sacredness is part of our ancient survival apparatus, and manifests in what we call faith, the need to connect with that sacred dimension. This has been the primary purpose of religion, of course - to congregate people for the Greater Good - but God has been, in fact, the divine carrot. The important part was communion, a context in which to transcend ourselves, if only for an hour on Sundays. Without this ability "to turn off the Me and turn on the We," moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt tells us, our species would still be wandering around as groups of nomads, unable to create a civilization.

      Aside from mirror neurons, there's oxytocin, the molecule of connection (also known as the molecule of love). It's fascinating to learn that the vagus nerve produces more oxytocin when we witness virtuous behavior in others that makes us want to be better people ourselves. We are wired by nature to be elevated at the sight of other people's goodness, mirror neurons and oxytocin conspiring to improve the species. Miraculous though it is, this natural human phenomenon has nothing to do with theology.

      May 29, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      Thanks that was very informative!
      Why such a miraculous creature called man that continues to evolve? Why do we view evolution as a tree of life that reaches outward rather than a regressive trajectory? How could it be that thousands of years ago Genesis recorded (or the author knew) that man was made from the dust that was created in the Big Bang? How could the author have known the basic order of creation up through man? In the image of God man was made (mirror neurons etc that allow for great wonder). If the author knew this could it be we should pay greater attention to the tree of life or the reason that tree of life was placed in the Garden?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "How could it be that thousands of years ago Genesis recorded (or the author knew) that man was made from the dust that was created in the Big Bang? "

      LMAO LOL! LOL! LOL! LOL! HaHaHa LOL! LOL! wow are you one delusional fool.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • ME II

      @YeahRight,
      Interesting stuff, thanks.

      @fred,
      "How could it be that thousands of years ago Genesis recorded (or the author knew) that man was made from the dust that was created in the Big Bang?"
      The author didn't. He didn't mention anything about the atomic residue from supernova explosions light-years away and billions of years ago.

      "How could the author have known the basic order of creation up through man?"
      The author didn't. He didn't mention anything about the evolution of man from previous ancestors common to all living organisms and didn't even get the order of appearance right either.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
    • fred

      ME II
      Back it up 3,400 years and there was not a Hebrew word for divergences or speciation. The language of Genesis is symbolic and conveyed a picture. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth (spoke it into existence) big bang. Now, from the dust of earth He made man (note man was made from the material that was created in formation of the heavens of the heavens and the earth). Order of creation was basically in line with what evolutionists claim culminating with man.
      The story of creation does not change as result of microbiology since a broad outline was presented. I do not hear anyone question why didn’t Moses say god created man then animals for him to tend and plants to eat…………….or let’s make the dog then the fish.

      May 29, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
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