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May 28th, 2012
05:36 PM ET

Conservative leader agrees to visit home of married gay couple for first time

By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor

(CNN) - A conservative Christian leader who opposes same-sex marriage has agreed to the idea of dining at the home of a married gay couple, after saying he had never done so in an interview with CNN.

Tony Perkins, who heads the Family Research Council in Washington, received the invitation after telling CNN’s Brooke Baldwin on Thursday that he’d never been to the home of a married same-sex couple.

"My wife and I will be glad to respond when we receive the invitation to find a time that works," Perkins said in a statement to CNN on Monday, referring to the invitation.

The Family Research Council has helped lead a national movement to ban same-sex marriage, helping pass anti-same-sex marriage laws in dozens of states.

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The invitation to Perkins came from Jennifer Chrisler, the executive director of a gay rights group called Family Equality Council. Chrisler and her wife have twin 10-year-old boys, with another child on the way.

“I would like to extend an open invitation for you and your family to visit my home and have dinner with my spouse and children with the full hope that you will witness the love that exists in our families,” Chrisler wrote in her invitation, which was sent to the Family Research Council by certified mail on Friday, according to a spokesman with Family Equality Council.

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“While I recognize it may not change your mind, I hope that it might soften your heart,” Chrisler said in her invitation, which was sent to news media. “As Christians, I think we can both agree that ours is not to judge and that we must live by the golden rule.”

In an interview with Baldwin on Monday, Chrisler said she was surprised that Perkins accepted her invitation. She said she had been inspired to send it after seeing President Barack Obama announce his personal support for same-sex marriage earlier this month.

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She noted that Obama and Vice President Joe Biden said that getting to know same-sex couples who are raising kids played a big role in their decisions to support same-sex marriage.

“I tell my 10-year-olds, if you’re having problems with somebody, if you don’t understand them and they don’t understand you, talking to each other is the first step,” Chrisler said Monday.

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soundoff (937 Responses)
  1. QS

    If religion were any average person, gay people could sue religion on the grounds of slander and defamation of character...sadly, religion negotiated its special rights early on in this country's history which allows them to believe they have every right to discriminate freely against others.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • niknak

      And get tax exempt status in the process.
      If I were king the first thing I would do is recind that tax free status.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Christians should sue you for being anti-social and miserable to boot.

      May 30, 2012 at 11:56 am |
  2. Ken Margo

    If you want to get religion out of politics, tell people to stop supporting the catholic church. The catholic church is no different than kkk, taliban etc.. If any other organization molested children and defended the pedophiles, that organization would be condemned and put out of business. Why does the church view on gay marriage matter? There is supposed to separation of church and state. You don't need a church to get married. It's time to put the church back where it belongs, in the basement.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • niknak

      Why are you just singling out the catholic church?
      All religions are just like the taliban.
      When you believe in imaginary creatures over cold hard science and fact, then you are the taliban.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:23 pm |
    • J.W

      Why are all religions just like the Taliban?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:26 pm |
    • Evangelical

      niknak,

      Science is nothing but theories made by man. And the Bible has proven many of these theories wrong (e.g., evolution).

      May 29, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • Jen

      So you believe in Adam and eve? So you believe that they had two sons and then hmmmm.....how to keep the world going? Well Eve had to get busy with one of her kids.

      And you believe in Noah's Ark? Seriously? You don't think that was disproven?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • JWT

      How is evolution wrong ? Or do you just mean that humans have never evolved ?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Evangelical

      Have you ever been to a doctor or a dentist, have you taken medication when you were ill?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • tb63

      The Bible PROVES science to be wrong? 'splain please.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
    • Evangelical

      tb63,

      Read the Bible. If you do you will see that man was created in his present form in the image of God. No where does it say anything about evolution. That is just one instance. There are many other things science puts forth that are impossible if viewed from a Biblical standpoint. Just pick up a Bible and read it.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:59 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "And the Bible has proven many of these theories wrong"

      The bible has been proven not to be an historical document.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • JWT

      Since I am not a biblical believer the biblical view point does not mean anything. It has some interesting things to say about life and all that but last time I checked man is an animal and prone to all the same evolutionary traits. Which makesa lot more common sense than man has not evolved in some odd million years.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • tb63

      Nice try Evangelical, that is not proof of anything.

      May 30, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Goodby Ken. You have no clue how gone you are.

      Sad,
      Sad,
      Sad.

      May 30, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  3. FrayedJeff

    Although I don't agree with their lifestyles, I would be glad to have Christians come to dinner at my Gay Atheist house.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Tom

      Throwing heat rocks tonight, dude.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
    • FrayedJeff

      Tonight is lemon chicken, red beans and rice, and steamed baby broccoli florets.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  4. Mike in NJ

    Perhaps this should become a trend. Gay families invite clergy to their household to break bread. Hmm. Naah, too crazy-liberal, right? Nuts.

    May 29, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  5. Christian God a FAILURE

    the VAST majority of souls ever created – or ever WILL BE created are not Christian. That means God's battle with Lucifer over souls has been lost: God loses – Satan wins. Poor pathetic Christians – they chose the wrong god.

    HA HA!

    May 29, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • jared

      actually God knew in advance who would accept his invitation to believe... You're either in the club or you aren't..

      May 29, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Jen

      Then why do Christians try to convert people? If god already chose people then they would not need convincing.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • just sayin

      jared

      actually God knew in advance who would accept his invitation to believe... You're either in the club or you aren't..

      --–
      One club I am glad I left.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Jared

      The Bible is very clear on this point.. God asks Christians to be part of the process of inviting everybody to particpiate in the good news.. However only God knows in advance who will accept the invitation. It is God who softens the heard of disbelief. If you have a hard heart toward Christianity then you are basically like Pharoah in Genesis... It didn't matter how many miracles got performed, ultimately his heart got harder and harder.. That story is an excellent analogy of disbelief in our culture today..

      May 29, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Jared

      at the end of the day I'm not here to convince people to belive in the Christian worldview, I'm very aware that many will not follow the christian world view.. However I'm not going to kid myself into thinking that there aren't other world views that have opposing ideology (ie. Muslim, Secular, other faiths etc...). there is NO neutral world view. So as long as this is the case I will be voting and supporting any view that matches most closely the views of Christianity becuase I'm certain our world would be better for it.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
    • Jen

      So god only chose Christians? Not Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Sikhs, Hindus, etc, etc. He only picked certain geographic locations?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • tb63

      Oh I see, it's a club. Star-bellied Sneetches.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • fred

      Truth is some souls simply belong in Heaven. There is nothing you could do to change them as they want to be with God and they want to give thanks for all that God has done. These souls could not breath anywhere else anymore than a fish is comfortable outside of water.
      On the other hand you have those souls that want nothing to do with God or believers. These godless ones have a certain way and disposition of the heart where the last place they would want to be for eterntiy is with God or with believers.
      Only God could design a Garden that would allow every soul to choose freely and become everything they were destined to be for eternity.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • J.W

      Jared so you believe God intentionally picked certain people to believe and already planned to send the rest to hell? I could not force myself to believe that no matter how hard I try.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Truth is some souls simply belong in Heaven. There is nothing you could do to change them as they want to be with God and they want to give thanks for all that God has done. These souls could not breath anywhere else anymore than a fish is comfortable outside of water.
      On the other hand you have those souls that want nothing to do with God or believers. These godless ones have a certain way and disposition of the heart where the last place they would want to be for eterntiy is with God or with believers."

      That's not true at all. It all has to do with a certain part of your brain gets stimulated and releases a chemical when you meditate or believe in a god. For some they get addicted to that chemical release in their brain. An meditating Atheist and a praying Christian can achieve the same effect and there is no god necessary for it. It's all in your head.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      You are explaining a chemical reaction. All kinds of chemical reactions are involved in emotion etc. Certainly it is true that we are a product of our genes and environment. Certainly it is true some people are not inside the normal distribution curve regarding genes and chemestry makeup. This does not change the soul generally that is inclined towards seeking after the promised land compared with the soul that wants nothing to do with it.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "This does not change the soul generally that is inclined towards seeking after the promised land compared with the soul that wants nothing to do with it."

      Keep making excuses cause you've been proven wrong by science.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      Science does not cross over to the area of faith as they look at different areas. God blessed us with both and both are needed for a balanced life. Even evolution ends up a point where the origin of life is a matter of faith. You cannot escape it. Perhpas you made your decision based on chemicals but, acceptance or rejection of God goes deeper than chemicals. Highs lows may be chemical as well as chose left or right path. Please find a scientist that says your faith is based on chemicals

      May 29, 2012 at 6:42 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "Perhpas you made your decision based on chemicals but, acceptance or rejection of God goes deeper than chemicals. Highs lows may be chemical as well as chose left or right path. Please find a scientist that says your faith is based on chemicals"

      Nope, it's just your brain and since you can't understand the "chemicals" you're claiming it's a god when there is no proof of a god- it's all in your head. If there was proof it would have been found by now. LOL!

      May 29, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
    • fred

      YeahRight
      The Bible says our witness as to what God has done in our lives is our proof. No matter how many people, suffering chemical reactions appear at your door, tell you what God has done in their lives you will continue to reject God. This is all we can offer as proof. Your soul and the soul of believer have a different perspective. One perspective is towards an eternal life with God and that remains the focus of many. Our perspective is not limited by God rather it is broadened by faith. We see what a closed perspective cannot. If I were to deny my faith I have made a choice to limit my perspective to that which is material. In that case the only possibility is chemical and organic interactions.
      Looking at a dead human and a dead frog then concluding both have completed their chemical and organic purpose in life appears very empty where only the physical and material exist and soul is absent.

      May 29, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Only to people like you, fred, whose current lives suck frogs.

      May 29, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • fred

      Tom Tom
      Without a metaphysical extension exactly how does the chemical reaction on organic matter differ between a dead frog and a human such that alternated purpose for existence can be detected? Oh, wait you are going to tell me there is a greater purpose under heaven for a frog or human without essence of some sort outside the physical and material which can be measured and observed ?
      Get ready Yeah Right Tom Tom is going to give you the proof you are looking for.

      May 29, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
  6. Ran

    A lot of hate coming out of churches today. Makes me glad not to be a part of them.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Funny how standing up for traditional morality now equals hate. Since when is it hate to tell a lost sinner that he is sinning? Since when is it hate to not want to see sin run amok in society?

      The ho-mos-exuals are wanting to redefine everything including traditional morality, and they try to stifle debate by throwing out words like "hate" and "bigot," etc. Well, if standing up for God means being called names, so be it. The Bible tells us that we will be despised just as the Son of Man was despised. I will stand by God what God says and not what the most depraved in society say. This is indeed a moment in history that tries men's souls. Let us pray that people make the right choice.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • just sayin

      Evangelical

      Funny how standing up for traditional morality now equals hate. Since when is it hate to tell a lost sinner that he is sinning? Since when is it hate to not want to see sin run amok in society?

      ---
      Fruitcake....it is hate and control when you pass laws imposing your view of sin on others. Now go back to dancing with rattlesnakes and slapping your woman around.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • just sayin

      "I will stand by God what God says and not what the most depraved in society say."
      ......
      And when you are a traitor to our freedoms I am sure you will recieve the right response.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • just sayin

      I have no problem with people who wish to worship a delusional/insane man who wore diapers and hung on a piece of wood...just don't tread on others.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:39 pm |
    • Evangelical

      just sayn',

      What about the hate coming from you? You attack me personally and call me names and pure vitriol comes from your fingertips. And you call the religious haters?

      But it doesn't matter. Jesus said it would be so for those who walk in righteousness.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Jen

      Do you tell fat people they are sinners? Because make no mistake, anyone that is even slightly overweight is committing the sin of gluttony and need to hear the truth.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
    • just sayin

      McFly, I am not the one creating or trying to pass laws restricting rights of others....work with me here...see the difference???? If you want to dance around in diapers and cry on Easter that is your choice..you are free to do that.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Jen,

      Nobody would try to make the case that being overweight is normal. It is proven to be bad for your health and is a leading cause of premature death and numerous associated illnesses. So, yes, I would tell them that they are wrong.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "The ho-mos-exuals are wanting to redefine everything including traditional morality, and they try to stifle debate by throwing out words like "hate" and "bigot," etc."

      It might help if you look at the history of Christians sometime, it ain't pretty. First they came here stole the land from the Native Americans, murdered them including children, murdered innocent people because of their intolerance of witches, brought over slaves and treated them like crap, denied them their civil rights, exploited women in the home while denying them their civil rights. So you can take your "traditional" morality and shove it because it's appalling. Gays deserve the same civil rights as straight people and the US supreme court ruled it is a civil right. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 29, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • Jen

      So you are in support of laws that would restrict fat people from marrying then (as statistics have shown that fat people produce more fat people )? Have you lobbied the government to start enacting those laws?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I will stand by God what God says and not what the most depraved in society say"

      One of the repeated themes in your bible is adultery, yet the divorce rate is at 50% today. Are you going to try and get laws passed that make it illegal to get a divorce and deny those people their civil right to get remarried? Probably not because only prejudice people cherry pick the bible to block the civil rights of gays while turning a blind eye to everything else. Duh!

      May 29, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Jen,

      There is no connection between marriage and being overweight. If there were, then yes, I would be in favor of such laws. But ho-mos-exual marriage is just enabling sin and a sinful lifestyle.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "But ho-mos-exual marriage is just enabling sin and a sinful lifestyle."

      Now this is where your real prejudice is showing. Your bible states you are ALL sinners, and there are many sinning lifestyles out there, yet you are only choosing the gay lifestyle to block their civil rights. Duh! The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 29, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • Evangelical

      Yeah right,

      No where have I ever said that ho-mos-exuality is a mental disease. It is a moral disease.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:10 pm |
    • Jen

      Isn't marriage for reproduction? Shouldn't we be trying to stop reproduction of fat people to ensure far fewer sinful fat people are born?

      Here's another example. I lived with my husband before we got married. Immoral in the church's view. The absolute best idea ever in my mind! Would you propose a law to ensure that I can't do this?

      May 29, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "No where have I ever said that ho-mos-exuality is a mental disease. It is a moral disease."

      No it's not only prejudice bigots think that. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      Evangelical.....the "bigot" lable fits you well. As does "coward".

      May 29, 2012 at 8:45 pm |
  7. Solo

    Gee, is this considered a religious pilgrimage or something?

    May 29, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
  8. niknak

    F$%# god!

    May 29, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Mike R

      really?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Christian God a FAILURE

      Mike R: Really.

      Honestly.

      Fer sure.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
  9. jack

    they are probably good people and god loves them as much as he loves those of us who follow gods plan better. but god loves smokers, alcoholics, perverts, and tax collectors to even though they are sinning according to his plan.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
    • Bob

      Uh right, jack. god loves you but he'll torture you forever if you put a foot wrong in your short mortal life or if you so much as doubt his existence or think a different god exists.

      Any modern human court would consider such punishment barbaric, to say the least. And the threats of torture purportedly by your god could consti-tute criminal assault.

      That's one very nasty god you've made for yourself there.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • jlaylor

      and pork eaters too. and, ummm.... those of us who don't treat our slaves and wives properly.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Mike R

      Bob, very, very well said.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
  10. Brad

    I've posted many times about this, but I have yet to get an answer. Why must we label anyone who opposes gay marriage legislation as "anti-gay"? It does nothing but drive a wedge between people and force those on the fence to choose sides. And, btw, that is not really working in favor of gay marriage so far. It's causing more harm than good.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • Cooper

      ...Because people are too quick to judge.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • QS

      You're right....anti-equality would be more accurate.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Another who wants us to smile as the knife goes in the back

      We will not give up so easily. We will not smile while you stick the knife in our backs.

      We're Americans. We fight for what is right.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • beelzabarber

      you have yet to get a response because you are the phuking Riddler! If you are against gay marriage, then it stands to reason you are anti gay. Are you Anti Black marriage? Blond Mariage? So whats the difference then in your mind?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • geeky

      I have hope that someday, I'll be able to marry my partner, and enjoy the same protections of our joint assets that married couples enjoy. This will mean I will worry less, and we'll be able to enjoy life more. if you're against that, then you are against me and my interests. How can you say you're against my right to be as happy and secure as you, but you're not anti-gay?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • joels2000

      Because that's exactly what it is....when it's ok with one group to have a certain thing but not another group – it's (we don't think YOUR kind/group is worthy to receive the same thing).

      and yes, it is working to benefit marriage equality, that is why 54% of the american population is in favor of marriage equality. The only reason why it didn't pass in North Carolina is because it was an election night for republicans – it was planned that way because democrates would have no reason to go to a Republican primary election.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:03 pm |
    • religion; a way to control the weak minded

      "Why must we label anyone who opposes gay marriage legislation as "anti-gay"?"

      Oh, I dont know....maybe because you are discr...iminated against a group of people based on their se..x.ual orientation? BTW, marriage is not a religious inst...it...ution no matter how much christians believe it is. It was around much longer than christianity and in this country, marriage is defined as a legal agreement between two consenting adults.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Nah

      religion: "BTW, marriage is not a religious inst...it...ution no matter how much christians believe it is. It was around much longer than christianity and in this country, marriage is defined as a legal agreement between two consenting adults."

      Nah, it isn't. In fact, marriage has a very specific historical and legal definition.

      But regardless, your new definition would include ince.estuous and polygamous couples to marry. I mean, who are you to deny two or three people the right to marry "who they love"?

      Imbecile.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
  11. glorydays

    He's just another get rich quick through Christianity creep...

    May 29, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Petercha

      Judge much, Glorydays?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • Bob

      So petercha, you draw no conclusions yourself? How do you live?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
  12. kenlink

    Some people get love and desire mixed up. I love my wife but I do not always desire her.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • upstatenyman

      "Some people get love and desire mixed up. I love my wife but I do not always desire her."
      So in your logic Gays always desire each other, but do not always love them. I bet she is proud to have you as a husband. You don't always desire her. Are you sure the love you speak of isn't just plain love, and not "in love"?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Miriz

      Me too! I always love my wife too but I don't always desire her. For so many people they think the "ga-y lifestyle" is all about wild s3x and crazy hedonism– I will tell you what– my wife and I, out "ga-y lifestyle" is all about getting the kids to school on time and making sure they have their shin-guards and water bottles at soccer practice. We make sure homework is done, lunches are packed, and birthday invites are sent on time.We worry about how much private school tuition is setting us back on retirement planning. My wife and I fret over letting the 13 year old boy go to the mall with friends. We make car payments and credit card bills. We do lots and lots of laundry. Sometimes if the kids spend a Saturday night at Grandma's house my wife and I go out to eat at Olive Garden and go to see a movie. I bet it doesn't sound all that different from what you do! Why? Because it isn't.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • tb63

      I can vouch for Miriz. We're pretty much as boring as everybody else, really.

      Our cruises are more fun though.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • DrJStrangepork

      I hope your wife doesn't read your post.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • QS

      "Some people get love and desire mixed up."

      Christians being the largest group.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
  13. Fifi

    Doesn't religious freedom not give me the write NOT to believe in religion? Therefore, do those gays that do not believe in religion need to hear this CRAP????????

    May 29, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Fifi

      I MEANT RIGHT...NO WRITE. THANK YOU!
      CRAPOLA!!!!!!!

      May 29, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      They just need to hear that God loves them and wants them to love him.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • january2454

      Absolutely, Fifi.

      Don't listen, if that's your choice. No one is forcing you.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • JohnBoy

      Yes you have the right... but not the write. Please do as little writing as possible if you do not know the difference. As for Biblical quotes – there are quotes attacking everyone and everything if you look closely enough. The right (not write) thing to do is ignore those who blame their bigotry on the Bible.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @Robert

      Question, if a person goes to church every sunday, prays every night, gives to charity, leads by all account a virtuous christian life EXCEPT for the fact that he's gay, does that mean he's still going to hell? What can cancel out the sin of being gay?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Jen

      John boy. Learn how to read!

      May 29, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Nothing according to Leviticus 20:13.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Petercha

      Sad but True –
      Being attracted to others of the same gender is not a sin. We are all tempted in different ways. Even Jesus was tempted in the desert. It's when one ACTS on that temptation, that it becomes sin.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • xyx25

      @Sad but True

      Question, if a person goes to church every sunday, prays every night, gives to charity, leads by all account a virtuous christian life EXCEPT for the fact that he's gay, does that mean he's still going to hell? What can cancel out the sin of being gay?
      Answer, "if a person goes to church every sunday, prays every night, gives to charity, leads by all account a virtuous christian life", he still goes to hell unless he becomes born-again by the Grace of God. Not by our good works but by His Grace we are saved.

      I know your next question. Answer is, a person cannot lead a gay life after becoming born-again because he/she will be sensitive to God's Word and will recognize sin as sin and seek God's Grace to come out of it. Not go on justifying and continuing. This is the case with any kind of sin. By the way, the definition of sin is : "transgression of God's commands".

      May 29, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @Peter

      You didn't answer my question, whether or not you believe that being gay is a sin and is giving into temptation, what if the only "temptation" a person falls into is that he's in a loving committed relationship with another man? Would god punish a person for love?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      You didn't answer my question either. You can rant and rave about how being gay is a sin, but at the end of the day if a person follows the quintessential idea of a perfect christian life except for being gay, will god punish him/her more or less than the adulterer? the murderer? the ra.pist? If being gay was such a huge sin, wouldn't that have gone into the "big ten" and would have been written on the tablets?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • xyx25

      @Sad but True, you are just looking for justification for your sin. A sin is a sin, no matter how sugar coated. God's commands are not just "big Ten". It is the whole Bible. God is not saying to Gay that he has no hope but calling to come to him, so that he can help the gay to come out of it. This is the case with any sin not just gays. See the verse below, it covers every kind of sin.
      1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
      9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
      10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
      Galatians 5:19-21:
      19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
      21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Hamlet

      @sad but true
      To answer your question of what can cancel out the sin of being gay. nothing cancels it out but if the person believes in Christ according to John 3:16 (any many other New Testiment verses) they will be forgiven and be accepted into Heaven. Now they will have to stand before God on Judgement day just like the rest of us and be exposed, but then forgiven.

      Technically I don't think being Gay is any more of a sin than lying, adultery etc. but if you are a believer of the Old Testiment only and not believe in the New Testiment then it is quite clear what will happen for all of these sins

      May 29, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "1 Corinthians 6:9-10:
      9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
      10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
      Galatians 5:19-21:
      19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
      21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

      When a gay couple is married before their god, this scripture does not apply to them. Plus the original Greek was talking about male prostitution and not what we now know and understand about gays today. Only prejudice bigots read the condemnation of gays in that scripture. Duh!

      May 29, 2012 at 4:53 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      You're just proving my point. By avoiding actually answering the question what you really are saying is that of course your "all loving " god would forgive any gay person, especially in that situation, but by even giving up that much hurts your position to indiscriminately hate while still being able to completely rationalize it.

      Also, lets look at what you just quoted. At no point does it actually say "gay" people, but it does mention that regardless of my orientation apparently since I enjoy drinking, masturbation, and envy other people I'm already screwed.... because hey, I'm human.

      Thanks for proving my point!

      May 29, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @Hamlet

      Thanks for addressing my question, also, growing up in a jewish household, a.k.a. being one of the people that only goes with the original torah I can tell you it's actually quite unclear what will happen to you if you sin. The most we know is that if you don't get into heaven then you are in limbo which honestly, just sounds really boring and slightly unpleasant.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • xyx25

      @sad but true, you are absolutely right. We are all human and totally screwed which is why we need a saviour. God doesn't allow screwed people into heaven. He will forgive them, cleanse them in his own blood and then will let you into heaven. we just need to go to him and confess our sins. This is such a comforting verse. Hope you will find comfort and conviction in it too.
      1 John 1:9
      If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      Ok, you're getting closer to it. Now take the leap. If you think that since we're all screwed and we need a savior and blah blah blah, then why worry about a specific set of people and try to stop them? If god is supposed to be the only judge then why have any opinion on it, why not leave it be?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • xyx25

      @sad but true, I posed comment to your reply but for some reason, they are disappearing.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      Look for words within words in your post. If it contains words like, t.it (like consti.tution), or va.g like in va.gue, or ho.mo like ho.mose.xual (also the word se.x), and so on. Look for naughty words within words.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:34 pm |
    • xyx25

      @sad but true,I am not judging you my friend. I am in the same boat as you are, if not for your sin, other sin.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • xyx25

      @Sad But True, the only problem with you is you are trying to pass your wrong as "alternate life style" and trying to change the marriage insttution and forcing it on all the people. My friend this is how Satan tempts. It twists God's Word and make you think Sin is not a Sin.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      And now the hardest part of all, acceptance. If you believe you are not judging and sin just as bad as me or what have you, then why have any strong opinion about ho.mo.se.xuality at all? I mean, no one can stop a person from a feeling. If they think being gay is icky, you can't outlaw people feeling grossed out over an action BUT why go any further? Why support and or help enact laws that aggressively judge another person?

      May 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      I didn't catch your last post, but you're wrong. How would allowing for ga.y couples to marry force anyone to marry who wouldn't want to? First and foremost, marriage is an inst.itution that has already been changed and cor.rupted more times than we can count, to put your foot down now over something that in re.ality would only allow people the same rights that you and I already pos.sess. Secondly, If Sat.an is looking to "tempt" don't you think it would make more sense to tem.pt people to you know, mur.de.r, ra.p.e and so on instead of love?

      May 29, 2012 at 6:00 pm |
    • xyx25

      yes, Since we are all sinners and since no body can judge anyone, we ought to accept the people, regardless. But accepting people is different from accepting sin, my friend. If I love you and am concerned about your soul, I will bring you the truth of the Bible.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:04 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "But accepting people is different from accepting sin, my friend. If I love you and am concerned about your soul, I will bring you the truth of the Bible."

      You are only choosing to block the civil rights of the gays since you are personally prejudice. Your bible states you are ALL sinners. There are greed, drunkards, adulterers etc... but you are going out of your way to deny them their civil rights now are you. The experts have proven that being gay is NOT a choice, it's NOT a mental illness and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • xyx25

      Satan in the last days is more concerned about people going in the way of the Bible. It is more interested in deception not in the obvious sins. Remember how it tempted Adam and Eve? it said, did God say so? it tried the same on Jesus with verses from the Bible.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • xyx25

      2 Timothy 3:13
      But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:11 pm |
    • xyx25

      @YeahRight, who are the experts?!!!
      Romans 1:22-32:
      22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
      23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
      24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
      25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
      26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
      27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
      28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
      29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
      30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
      31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
      32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • xyx25

      @yeahright,
      2 Thessalonians 2:10-12:
      10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:15 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "@YeahRight, who are the experts?!!!
      Romans 1:22-32:"

      That is about using sex to worship a pagan god, notice #23. It has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. Nowhere in your bible does your god condemn the saved loving long-term relationship of a gay couple. Only prejudice people read condemnation in those scriptures. Part of reading comprehension 101 is putting it into historical context to get the real meaning.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
    • Sad but True

      @xyx

      Personal prejudice allows you to blame satan and "sin" but blocking gay people from getting married won't block the sin, and using the government as a tool to try and push your own ag.enda isn't what I think god had in mind. Fine, be against sin, dislike mur.der, and ra..pe and so on and if you really feel strongly about gay se..x, toss that in there too, but why aren't you fighting as ardently for say, jailing adul.terers? or banning divorce? @YeahRight is.... well he's right, you're using your religion to bolster your own prej/.udice. If you can get past that then you can understand why there's a national conversation these days that's moving towards allowing free rights for everyone.

      May 29, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "2 Thessalonians 2:10-12:
      10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
      11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
      12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

      This has nothing to do with what we now know and understand about gays today. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      May 29, 2012 at 6:21 pm |
  14. Dave

    Fail? You've got to be kidding! I passed with flying colors! A+ 4.0

    May 29, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Jack

      And I'm a Harvard proffessor with a super hot wife and a flying car.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
  15. Fifi

    How many more GAYS does "GOD" have to put on this earth, in order to convince YOU that "GOD" wants them here on this earth!!!!??

    May 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Fifi

      "GOD"=for those who believe in GOD Jesus Bible etc

      May 29, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • Petercha

      Everyone is tempted to commit one form of sin or another, Fifi. That doesn't mean that God is doing the tempting, or that committing the sin is right.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Sree

      As many as Bin Ladens or Al Assads are needed. God didnt put, it was their choice. Get bk to work.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      Fifi: Perhaps they do not see it as a sin.

      May 30, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • sam stone

      That last comment was directed to Petercha, not Fifi.

      May 30, 2012 at 9:38 am |
  16. Jimmy G.

    Since your god does not exist, all of that crap isn't even worth reading.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  17. libfreak48

    The FRC is racism repackaged.

    May 29, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Petercha

      Gimme a break. The "racism" card is WAY overplayed.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
  18. divejoy

    jewish people are orthodox conservative reform deconstructionist 5 percent are orthodox and their rabbis won't marry gays the other 95% of rabbis will and their are woman rabbis too in that 95%

    May 29, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • Miriz

      It is "Reconstructionist" and I am not sure about their movement, but the URJ- the National Association of Reform Jewry's stance is that it is up to the individual Rabbi and their congragation. I was married (to another woman) in a Reform ceremony performed by 2 Rabbis and a Cantor (one of the Rabbis is retirement age and very highly respected in the URJ nationally). A friend of mine who happens to be a Baptist minister, who has performed many many straight marriages, said it was the most beautiful ceremony he had ever seen.

      May 29, 2012 at 5:12 pm |
    • Peter

      reformist jews are the lazy jews that dont want to follow everything the bible says,they follow what is convinient for them,thats why theyre not taken seriously.a normal rabbi would not marry a gay couple

      May 29, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  19. Dave

    Anybody with common sense knows that 2 males or 2 females do not fit. Take, for instance, in plumbing, 2 male adapters
    just do not work. Likewise, 2 female adapters do not work together. Pick up a male adapter, then a female adapter, get
    yourself a little glue, screw them together, and bam, they work. No water leaks!

    May 29, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • D

      Plumbing is not the same as brain chemistry and hormonal levels. You, sir, FAIL.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • tb63

      Your point?

      May 29, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Lexagon

      Yes, because love, the centerpiece of human experience, is all about water leaks or the lack thereof. Brilliant!

      May 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Jim in KC

      Thanks Dave, I didnt realize until now that sociology can be drilled down to plumbing. With such insightful comments as yours, I can sleep better in the knowledge that there are those individuals who have such a grasp on all issues in the world that they can distill them into so easy to understand thoughts. Thanks again Dave, now can you do string theory and equate it to peanut butter, evolution and equate it to my navel. Your concise thoughts are so greatly appreciated...

      May 29, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • WoeIsMe

      Actually – "man" has made adapters to fit together two male and/or female ends – in plumbing. This is so "adaptive" measures can happen allowing for newer or different engineered plumbing requirements to work. Although your plumbing anology is lame – the use of "adapters" in plumbing also applies to your premise. Note – the key word here is "adapters" and "adaptation" – to allow for new or innovative ideas to work – and work well. Now can you see? Also, why do folks as you want to keep peeking into everyone else's bedrooms? There are laws against "peeping"

      May 29, 2012 at 4:27 pm |
    • january2454

      I agree with your point, Dave.

      It is clear that the physiological purpose of the rear chute is elimination of waste. Other uses damage the chute - often to such an extent that surgical repair is necessary.

      Similarly, the birth canal is designed solely for purposes having to do with reproduction. And, yes, I am aware that some women cannot have children. That does not change the fact that a woman's g enitals are clearly designed for reproduction; the fact that a particular individual's organs are not functioning as intended does not negate the obvious purpose of the design - just as the fact that some people are blind does not negate the fact that eyes were clearly designed for seeing.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Derek

      Also Dave, it occurs to me that apples cannot breed with oranges, and therefore it should be wrong for two people of different races to play poker together.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
    • bigbendjc

      DUCT TAPE!!! Duct tape will cure all the world's ills; even intolerance.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  20. Petercha

    Be warned.... Jude 1:7 (NIV) says:
    "In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sèxual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."

    May 29, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Veronica Sidwell

      If you believe that, that's nice for you. People came to this country to practice religious freedom, and in my Bible, I'd like to quote Veronica 5:29 that says: Keep your beliefs off my civil rights.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • JT

      Spare us the quotes from a novel. Quoting the bible is so useless.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Ignorant putz.

      Ezekiel 16:49 Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.

      Do you see anything about being gay in there? No. Instead it perfectly describes every religious right (oxymoron) ignorant talibangelical tea baggers to a "T".

      May 29, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • Petercha

      Genesis 19:4-5 (NIV) says "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodomm —both young and old—surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sèx with them.” Hmmmmm...... men wanting to have sèx with men...... Sounds like a sèxual sin to me, Primewonk.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • J.W

      In modern times we call what happened in that verse rap3.

      May 29, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • QS

      LMFAO!

      May 29, 2012 at 5:17 pm |
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