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May 28th, 2012
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Pastor's comments about gays draw protestersBy Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor (CNN)–Hundreds of protesters gathered this weekend in Maiden, North Carolina, to voice their displeasure with a pastor's statement that gays and lesbians should be rounded up behind electric fences. Sheriff Coy Reid estimated between 1,500 and 2,000 protestors came to the Catawba County Justice Center for a peaceful protest on Sunday. He said only two citations for noise violations were issued and there were no arrests. The protest was organized by the Catawba Valley Citizens Against Hate in response to a Mother's Day sermon by Pastor Charles Worley at Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden. "I figured a way out, a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers, but I couldn't get it past the Congress," Worley said to his congregation on May 13. A video of his comments went viral on YouTube. "Build a great big, large fence - 50 or 100 miles long - and put all the lesbians in there," Worley said. "Fly over and drop some food. Do the same thing with the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can't get out. Feed them. And you know in a few years, they'll die out. You know why? They can't reproduce." Protestors chanted, "Love not hate," as the lined the road outside the Justice Center, which is 12 miles from thechurch. CNN’s Belief Blog: The faith angles behind the biggest stories Organizers of the protest said they wanted to counter what they called the pastor's hateful words with love and stressed prior to the event that "our Peace Keepers will respond quickly and vigorously to any behavior that detracts from the peaceful, non-violent plans of this event." On Friday night, vandals targeted the Providence Road Baptist Church, Lt. Daryl McCarty of the Catawba County Sheriff's office told CNN. "It appears that someone tried to set the air conditioning unit on fire in retaliation about his remarks against homosexuals and lesbians from the pulpit." McCarty said there was "no extensive damage or anything. The incident appears to have happened on Friday night. It wasn't a big enough fire. It only burned the cover off of some wires." An electric company easily repaired the damage Saturday, according to McCarty. Sheriff Reid said trash was lit under the air conditioning unit to start the fire. The unit is up against a brick wall and he said it did not seem like the vandals were attempting to burn down the building, saying, "It appeared they were trying to disrupt the service." The local fire marshal and a sheriff's deputy are investigating the fire further, Reid said. He also noted that Worley had received death threats after his comments and his department was actively following up on them. Repeated calls by CNN to the church and to the pastor's home for comment have not been returned. When Worley was approached outside his home on Sunday by CNN's Gary Tuchman and asked whether he would take back any of his comments, the pastor declined to comment. The church's website has also been down, but it had described the house of worship as independent and fundamentalist. It represents a Baptist tradition self-described as "old-time religion" and the website said church members consider the 1611 King James Version of the Bible to be the "inerrant Word of God." The church appears to be unconnected with any broader denomination. The Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Baptist group, noted the Providence Road Baptist in Maiden is not affiliated with its 16-million member denomination and condemned the pastor's comments. Last week in Maiden, members of the church vigorously defended their pastor, who has been at the church for more than two decades. Some church members, who declined to give their names, said his words had been taken out of context. "He said he would feed them!" some church members told CNN, referring to the Worley's idea for rounding up gays. Another church member, who declined to give his name, said that "being gay and lesbian or homosexual is wrong according to the Bible. ... It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve." The sheriff said his deputies will be paying extra attention to the church building in the wake of the vandalism and threats. The church has about 300 members, he said. Reid, who has been with the sheriff's department since 1979, said the area had never seen anything quite like this. -CNN's Dan Gilgoff, Ismael Estrada, Gary Tuchman, and Rick Martin contributed to this article. soundoff (1,363 Responses)« Previous 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Next »Post a comment
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He is no better than those belonging to the Westboro Baptist Church. Hate is hate....and it's not holy....no matter how you want to spin it.
and I am sure all the owners of restaurants, gas stations and motels near Maiden, North Carolina could not be more thankful to Pastor Worley for the business he brought to town with 1500 visitors. They probably would love for him to keep saying stupid stuff like that every week from now on.
Do they serve tumbleweed soup?
It's an old argument but:
1. If god is all knowing, he/she knows prior to creation whether a human is or is not destined for hell
2. If god is all powerful, he/she has the ability to intervene and save said human from hell
3. If god is all loving, he/she will intervene to save each and every human from a torturous destiny.
Which is not true? 1, 2, or 3?
I was wondering about a black cat walking under a ladder though.
P.S.
Don't end a sentence with a preposition.
Ending a sentence with a preposition is grammatically correct, just considered bad form. Since this is not an academic essay, I'll break with convention of form
All 3 are not true for the simple fact that god does not exist. Quit looking for some imaginary being for answers and try to live by your own rules and standards.
Thanks for the pass, DSI.
Actually, I like Bill Maher's take: "Three candidates said God told them they should run for president. Doesn't that means he's messing with at least 2 of them?"
Assumption 3 is based on faulty logic, which is "If you love something, then you protect it at any cost". When I turned 18, my parents already knew they would have to let me go. Even if they love me with all their hearts, they have to let me experience life and make my own mistakes. That's part of the deal.
So your parents would not have protected you if they knew with absolute certainty that you were setting yourself up for a huge amount of suffering?
A few people have tried, to no avail, to explain to me why god would create someone that he knows with absolute certainty is bound for hell. I would love to know what the logical answer is.
Premise 3 is almost true. Change "will intervene" to "has intervened" and you've got it.
In case there is any confusion, that intervention's name is Jesus.
Welcome to America, Pastor Worley. You have every right to publicly promote whatever repellant views you choose to espouse. But so do all the people who think you're a mean-spirited, morally corrupt ignoramus – right at your doorstep.
Let me bottom-line it for you. With all the suffering going on in the world, your god either s u c k s at his job or doesn't exist. Either way, you are wasting your time praying to a non-existent loser.
No kidding. If THIS is the best kind of world that God, the ALL-mighty, ALL-powerful and PERFECT God who wants to have Heaven on Earth can come up with, he's done a crappy job. I wouldn't even hire him as a day temp.
That's a good point. If he worked for me and this was the best he could do, he would be fired without a second thought.
Christ said " I did not come into the world to bring pease but a soward".
Technically, you cannot even prove to other people that you exist (search "Solipsism" on the internet), so there's no point to the whole argument in the first place. Believe what you want to believe, but don't think for one second that you understand how the universe works.
Maybe if you weren't so ignorant and read the bible then you would understand where he is coming from. But, instead you sit there in your high place making these assumptions.
Ignorance – The state or fact of being ignorant; lack of knowledge, learning, information, etc.
Let me bottom-line it for you. With all the suffering going on in the world. You aren't doing your job as 1. a human 2. an American 3. setting a good example. How about you instead stopping bashing on others and look in the mirror.
@HaveAgoodMemorialDay
I'm already happy with what I'm doing. I don't need any validation from anyone, (or anything) else.
I like what George Carlin had to say about God.
If God is so perfect,
why is it, that everything he creates......Dies ?
@Lunias
Believe what you want to believe, but don't think for one second that you understand how the universe works.
I don't understand how the universe works yet, but I watch it on television every week. I should know by the end of the season.
So, does the persistence of suffering negate the existence of God? That argument might work if the totality of human experience was suffering. But what about the persistence of good, of pleasure, of happiness? You say that evil negates God, but I say that good confirms him. The arguments essentially cancel each other out. You need a narrative that accounts for both realities. The Christian narrative does that. The atheist narrative does not.
Whaddya know...another fat, white, rich, old conservative Christian male with a big mouth and a tiny brain. Like so many other angry Republicans. No surprise here. Some day, a gay Paramedic, doctor, nurse, cop or firefighter is going to recognize him and question whether this moron's life is worth saving. But, of course, they WILL do it, because-unlike him-they're not a selfish, bigoted jerk whose only motivation in life besides money is to denigrate others just to make himself feel and look good.
@grumpymedic
Too true.
People like you may be motivated by their faith to do good works, but thankfully that same faith doesn't preclude helping "heathens".
In my opinion, the best charities in the world are Doctors Without Borders and the Red Cross – both of which are secular.
I was engaged to a woman who I never married because her priest told her that if she divorced her abusive husband, who by the way threatened my life, she would be excommunicated and her children would be illegitimate in the eyes of god. That was about all I could take. I bailed.
Sorry that happened to you. Religion can be used to justify any sort of wrong because to Bible tells them so. Sometimes I wonder if we really are in the 21st century with religion still in the mix.
My parents are of different Christian denominations (Catholic and Protestant) and neither of the clergy who had known them all their lives would perform their wedding ceremony. My mother's pastor actually told her the relationship was doomed to failure becuase if the insurmountable religious differences and the Catholic priest balked when my father refused to promise to raise their future children Cathlic.
40 years later, they're still happily married.
Really? How could someone who transmits the infallible word of god make such an error?
My Mother went to the priest who married my parents
and told him that my father had cheated on her and beats her often.
The priest told her that "you married for better or worse".
Go home to your husband.
My mother left my father, and the church.
Smart woman.
This pastor says gay people can't reproduce. I know lots of gay people who have reproduced. I've met numerous gay people who made babies with women. Gays aren't sterile... dip-stik pastor! Heck, I personally know a guy who was once with a woman, had 2 kids, they divorced... now he's with dudes. Saying gays can't reproduce, makes this pastor a blatant liar !!
Or just stupid.....which I think he has already proven beyond any reason of a doubt......just by the way he talks.
Right. Statistically, most gay people are married at some point in their lives and many of those who do marry have children.
You show me one guy who says gays can't reproduce and I'll show you a guy who flunked school before he got a chance to reach fifth grade.
Is anyone here surprised that this lunatic preacher is endorsing Romney?
Kind of. Romney has been fairly gay friendly in the past. And he's a Mormon. But then again, this man probably believes that Obama is the anti-christ
"Some church members, who declined to give their names, said his words had been taken out of context."
Uh, his ENTIRE hate filled speech is all over the net. It literally cannot be taken out of context. All the context is there.
These people don't understand context, they can barely read
I used to be a Christian fundamentalist.
They are incredibly hateful and hypocritical people.
It's a mental illness.
There is a cure though.
It's called using your God-given gift of reason.
There is a better cure. Reject magic sky wizards as the falsehoods they are, and embrace logic.
Adam One step at a time.
Right on! Yep, I was a "Holy Roller" myself. I can't believe the amount of divisiveness, exclusionism and hatred promoted by religions. Sad, really, because they DO promote some good values that aren't necessarily Bible-driven.
Ten Ways You Know you are an Atheist.
1. You were likely brought up a theist (probably a Jew or Christian if you live in the USA) and had to do your own thinking to rise above the beliefs that still occupy the mind of the believer. This usually involved being smart and working hard at school and college so as to get a good, accurate view of the natural Universe and overcoming significant social pressure to dumb yourself down and conform. In short, you had the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. The more you came to understand the Universe, the less reason there was to believe in a god and the more you came to understand human nature, the more you understood why billions of us still do.
2. While rejecting the supernatural elements of the Bible, you nevertheless retain a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent you reject Christian morality, it is where it is mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, your basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – you just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over your head in order to act in a manner that you consider moral.
3. You know a great deal more about the Bible than most believers. This is because you took the time to read it yourself and did not rely on the primary-color simple stories you learned in Sunday school. You have also probably done some research into the historical Jesus and have a good handle on where he REALLY fit in to the broader picture of the Middle East at the time. Needless to say, his miracles and other magic powers soon started to look pretty unlikely.
4. Your knowledge of basic science and history is much stronger than that of your average believer. You likely have a basic working knowledge of physics, astronomy, evolutionary biology and cosmology and a good idea of the history of life on this planet. This acc.umulated knowledge puts you in a position to judge the claims of the Bible in a critical light and they are almost always found wanting. To the theist, this makes you “elitist” and ‘arrogant”.
5. You relish your role as a religious minority in the USA, as this gives you an impetus to fight and you understand how others with unpopular, but doubtlessly correct views have felt throughout history. There is something altogether satisfying to you about having a deep conviction you are right and being viewed with disdain for your views by the errant majority. You feel a quiet confidence that future generations will look back on you as a member of a class of trailblazers, as religious supersti.tions go into inevitable decline in popularity.
6. You are likely more environmentally aware than your theist friends and colleagues and unlikely to fall for claims of industry and wind-bag politicians concerning the impact of man’s activities on the environment. You could no more act in an environmentally irresponsible manner because “god will keep us safe” than you could jump off a ship, believing King Neptune will keep you safe.
7. You generally have a live and let live atti.tude, but will fiercely defend any attempts by theists to thrust their views on you or your children, directly or through control of school boards, the legislature or the executive. While you are prepared to debate and argue passionately with the theist on an intellectual level, you would never wish them harm or ill will. You know you are likely to be smugly told you will “burn in hell for all eternity” for your healthy skepticism. This highlights what you despise about religion, as you would not wish a bad sunburn on another, simply because they have a different religious view to you. You have never heard of an evolutionary biologist strapping a bomb to himself and running into a church yelling “Darwin-u akbar, Darwin-u akbar”.
8. You likely know more about other religions than your average theist. This makes you less fearful of them and enables you to see parallels. You realize that, if you were born in India, you would have been brought up with a totally different religion. You realize that every culture that has ever existed has had its own god(s) and they always favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams and prejudices. They cannot all exist and you see the error all faiths make of thinking only theirs exist(s). This “rising above” the regional nature of all religions was probably instrumental in your achieving atheism.
9. You likely have a deep, genuine appreciation of the fathomless beauty and unbelievable complexity of our Universe, from the 4 nucleotides that orchestrate every aspect of you, through to the distant quasars, without having to think it was all made for you. You likely get more out of being the irrelevant ant staring up at the cosmos than you do in having to pretend that it was all made to turn in majestic black-and-white pirouette about you.
10. While you have a survival instinct, you cannot fear death in the way the theist does. You know that the whole final judgment story, where you may be sent to hell if you fail, is Dark Ages nonsense meant to keep the Church’s authority. You also know that you were dead for 13,720,000,000 years before you were born. It is impossible for you to fear death, for the simple reason that you know the capacity to fell pain, or to regret or fear itself dies. You will not even know you are dead. Fear of death is as meaningless to you as is the fear of a vacuum, the fear of not being born. You feel a lot more secure, and indeed a deep comfort, in this knowledge, than you would in trying to yoke yourself to some quasi-hope from Bronze Age Palestine that every part of your intellect tells you is untenable.
Seems logical to me, now if we could only get the Republican Party to read it and use what ever intelligence they have, we might actually get something done and go along way to solving any deficit problems by taxing CHURCHES as businesses and stop this stupid argument that someone is anti faith or against the first amendment.
Well said, Colin, well said.
Although we've never met, sounds like you're describing me perfectly! It took me 40 long, hard, disillousioned years to realize this. BRAVO!
You say that atheists are more accepting of religions and more likely to understand them. You say that atheists are morally straight more often than theists. When will your very own points be applied to how you treat theists? You basically just called "most theists" all unreasonable, illogical and uneducated dullards. Please, stop pretending to be this nice, reasonable person; your words betray your thoughts.
I agree and would like to add to that my Beef! This clown gets to live in my Country tax free because of his stupid beliefs! Why isn't his church considered a hate group like the Nazis? Religion is on its deathbed thanks to bozos like this moron!
@Robert Niehaus: Maybe not tax free for much longer. He violated the separation of church and state when he preached to his congregation that he would not be voting for Obama. Just hope that the IRS investigates his bigoted ass and makes him pay.
So you took the time to type out a big long message (or copied and pasted someone else's words without citing them) about atheism on a page that has nothing to do with it, self-righteously pointing out the flaws in another system while ignoring your own. You're the reason I became the "I don't care, ask me when I'm dead" brand of agnostic. Because until you're dead, what happens to you upon death shouldn't matter. Live life, and for the love of all that is good, shut up about which side is better.
Christians have been making Christ look bad for 2,000 years.
There are several christians in my family; 3 alcoholics, 4 child abusers, one adulterer, and 2 that are actually decent people. There are several atheists in my family and all but one are successful, happy, and charitable
Atheists develop their own morality. They don't have to be told how to be moral, based on Bronze Age Middle Eastern mythology.
Obviously, that means that Christians are more immoral in general than atheists. Well, not exactly. I know plenty of theists and atheists alike who are rude, self-centered and hurtful people. I also know plenty of theists and atheists who are genuinely nice, helpful human beings. Your personal experience says nothing about either group as a whole.
My personal experience is just that. I made no other inference in this post
The preacher is clearly endorsing Romney.
Looks like Romney's got all of the crazies on his side.
Don't know why anyone is surprised about this.
This tea bagger preacher was just saying what all of them are thinking.
Prayer changes things.
like rain dances change the weather.
If you think prayer works, you've just gotta try human sacrifice
No, it doesn't.
Other living things? What the hell are you even talking about? You're an idiot. Life is a chance in the vast infinite universe where undoubtedly other intelligent life exist, but you probably believe the sun revolves around the earth right?
There is no conclusive proof that either atheism is more or less healthy than theism. Your statement is invalid.
Well I hope the people of NC realize that their recent vote against gay marriage just reinforced the lunacy and bigotry of this kind of religious zealot. If we learned nothing else from 911 we should have learned that religious zealotry is hateful and destructive and has no place in the USA. Please note.....not all religious people are zealots.
Dorothy, you are correct. The educated religious people know better. Those smart enough to read the Bible and connect the dots....
Not all religious people will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Get to know Dot here it does not sound like you will get a chance to know her there.
Sadly, Hetchena, I think you are right.....but for the wrong reason. I doubt if any of the religious zealots will be getting through the pearly gates.......their message is one of hate, death, and destruction.....which is hardly the message of God.
Stand and decry the sin of beers
Stand and absolve of all lives fears
Stand and countenance all mans tears
But never, ever
Mention qu-eers
God put me here. There is no evil spirit working through me. If there is an evil spirit working anywhere, it's working in the weak and wounded – the haters, the one who wish to divide. God gave me life. He would not give me a life and then say that I cannot live the life he has given to me. Shame on those who spew hatred and intolerance for you have blood on your hands!
Am i obligated to tolerate intolerance?
So what you are saying, Tom, is that you reject the words of this pastor and those who support him? Good for you. All decent people should reject this sort of mindless hatred.
The Easter bunny is knocking on your door.