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Vatican scandals lift lid on secret power struggle
May 29th, 2012
01:51 PM ET

Vatican scandals lift lid on secret power struggle

By Richard Allen Greene, CNN

(CNN) - Bad luck comes in threes, even for the pope.

The past week has seen his butler arrested, accused of leaking secret papers from the papal apartment; the head of his bank sacked for incompetence; and a demonstration on his front doorstep by protesters demanding that he reveal what he knows about Italy's most famous missing-person case.

It's bad PR for the Vatican, but it may be more than that, experts say. It could affect who becomes the next pope.

The arrest of the pope's trusted butler, Paolo Gabriele, came just a day before the board of the Vatican Bank fired its director, Ettore Gotti Tedeschi.

Two days after that, hundreds of people chanted "Truth, truth!" in St. Peter's Square, holding pictures of Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican employee who disappeared at the age of 15 and has not been seen in the past 29 years.

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No less a figure than the Vatican's chief exorcist said he suspected the girl had been abducted for sexual reasons, adding: "The investigation should be carried out inside the Vatican and not outside."

The timing of the demonstration was probably a coincidence, since conspiracy theories about Orlandi's disappearance have been swirling for decades and police investigations have gone nowhere, said the Rev. Thomas Reese, author of "Inside the Vatican."

But the butler and bank scandals are significant, and reveal a secret battle going on behind closed doors, he said.

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The effect of each event is the same: to weaken the authority of Pope Benedict XVI's second in command.

Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, is involved in a power struggle with his predecessor, experts say.

"The reason for this fight is that the secretary of state will have a strong influence over the next conclave which will choose the next pope," said Giacomo Galeazzi, a journalist at the Italian daily La Stampa.

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The late John Paul II's secretary of state, Cardinal Angelo Sodano, is trying to sideline Bertone and put one of his own proteges in place before Benedict dies, Galeazzi said.

"The leaks will end when Bertone is out as secretary of state," he predicted.

He said he expects that Bertone, who will be 78 in December, would be replaced at the end of the year, but not by the cardinal Sodano wants.

Sodano, the dean of the College of Cardinals, isn't the only one who doesn't like Bertone, Reese said.

Bertone "did what normally happens. He brought in his team, the people he likes, the people he trusts, and he put them in key positions in the Vatican," he said.

"There are people who had hitched their star to the previous secretary of state who thought by now they would become an archbishop or a cardinal, and they didn't," Reese said. "These people are unhappy and don't like Bertone."

Part of the reason for the butler and bank scandals is that the Vatican hasn't been run well in decades, Reese said.

"Clerics don't go to Harvard Business School. Bertone is a theologian. He doesn't have an MBA," he said.

And Benedict is no better, he said.

"He is a German professor. He's a person who is into ideas, not a manager, and yet he is running a 1.2-billion member organization," Reese said.

There's a faction within the Vatican that wants the next pope to be "a better manger who can get the shop in order," Reese said.

"A lot of people think that would be an Italian, of course," after two popes from outside of Italy, John Paul II from Poland and Benedict from Germany, he said.

But the undermining of Bertone may work against that faction, he said.

"Bertone is from the Vatican and is Italian," Reese pointed out. "People may say we need somebody from outside who can come in and knock heads together and make it work."

Reese isn't taking a position on where the next pope should be from, but he has strong views on what Benedict's successor should do: "The place really needs to be restructured and reorganized. It still operates in many ways like a 19th century European court."

- Newsdesk editor, The CNN Wire

Filed under: Catholic Church • Pope John Paul II • Scandal • Vatican

soundoff (1,326 Responses)
  1. ME II

    @SPA Knight,
    "...[Exorcism] is not magic by the way. "
    ... because magic and exorcism aren't real, right?

    May 30, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Magic isn't real but exorcisms are. Unless by magic you are rferring to black magic or the occult.

      May 31, 2012 at 11:03 am |
  2. aramis

    comments here are no more than silent farts in a crowded amphitheater

    May 30, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • I'm Realist too

      the beauty is there are so many, now heard worldwide. Hopefully we can stop this filthy organization from now polluting 3rd world countries.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      Ah yes....but enough farts and people get up and leave finally.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • ME II

      @SuZieCoyote,
      LOL. Perfect!

      May 30, 2012 at 4:46 pm |
  3. SuZieCoyote

    Here's a lovely pope for you – probably caused the black death:

    "Gregory IX endorsed the Northern Crusades and attempts to conquer Orthodox Russia (particularly the Pskov Republic and the Novgorod Republic).

    Perhaps his most lasting action was a minor item: his papal letter Vox in Rama of 1232 is credited with the vilification of cats, through its description of cult practices involving felines. This led to a great reduction in the number of cats, which, a hundred years later, may have contributed to the quick spread of the Black Death plague, which killed one-third to one-half of the population of Europe."

    The man sure hated cats, apparently..... ordained by G*d and infallible? I think not.

    May 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • TC

      Your handle suits you – coyote – trolling predator to casue chaos. Great job of finding evil people – not too hard as they are everywhere now and in history. For your next lesson, go find some holy and pious people who have done magnificent things for humanity.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      Well, yes, TC. One of my personal life missions is to help bring down the Vatican – the most evil organization to have ever existed. Words are powerful and I use them against this evil. I admit readily to this. And Coyote is a plucky survivor; I survived a violent abusive Catholic upbringing, so yes, the handle fits. Here's the question though. It isn't ME saying the pope is infallible. It is the RCC. So is he or isn't he? That's the question. You admit to this pope's evil, yet not to the organization that harbors, encourages and empowers that evil. It isn't G*d I have problems with. It is the bunch of almost entirely white men, involved in a corrupt cartel that only really serves to increase the holdings in its coffers. Gold bedecked robes and jewel encrusted scepters, indeed! I have to wander what Jesus would have thought. We know his opinion of the money-changers in the church. And the RCC.....it has a bank.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      And, TC, you are the apologist here. How about *you* highlight these magnificent priests? I have yet to hear of even one I'd trust with the care of my children – alone, for even 5 minutes. And don't get me started on "Mother" Theresa – self-serving buddy of dictators teaching young, desperate women in the most overpopulated and poverty-stricken place in the world that G*d doesn't want the to have birth control. Reportedly cruel to her charges and in the end losing her faith, anyway. This is not magnificent.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Patti

      SuzyCoyte, I'm thrilled to hear you've made it your mission to bring down the Vatican (thank God!). It's organized crime at it's best and humanity at it's worst... doing evil in the name of God. Good luck with your mission. People the world over esp. Catholic children will be forever in your debit.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • I'm Realist too

      thanks, SuZieCoyote. The pope and the catholic church are the sc-um of the earth. They've destroyed so many childrens lives through the cover ups of abuse. Instead of helping the child, they threatened the child leaving the small child to fend for themselves. Then again, you can't forget the cath-aholics. They provide the donations enabling the catholic church to lobby and stop laws that would reveal the truth. We all know the truth is the greatest healer, yet these catholics prefer caring for themselves and their church over the lost lives of children. Yep, they deny the children harmed, again. Great bunch, huh?

      May 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • pastapharian

      you rock, suzie. sign m.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  4. TC

    As I always point out in all these forums on religious topics – whay are you atheists here? What do think you possibly going to post that has any validity or meaning to the topic at hand? You don't believe, so what is your goal? Yep, we know the RCC has corrupt people and so does all other organizations, so again, your point?

    May 30, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • mandarax

      A) so, for example, if CNN had a blog devoted to news stories about crime, should only criminals be allowed to participate? What about sports, should only players be allowed to comment? I'm sorry if you don't think non-religious people should be allowed to comment on religion, but that's just the way it is.

      B) By the context in which you used the words, I'm pretty sure you're mistaken about the concepts of validity and meaning.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      One should have the courage to look evil in the eye and fight it wherever it is found. Yes, there is evil in every organization – but in the case of the RCC – it claims this evil ordained by G*d. And to me, there is no worse crime that using religion to imprison minds.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • pastapharian

      TC: your posts paint you as a delusional follower of whatever you have been told throughout your life. All we "atheists" ask is that you *try* to think for yourself rather than being led blindly throuh life by the promises of some outdated fairy tale.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • sam

      A better question: why do you care, and why are you so snotty about it?

      May 30, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • sam stone

      For me, TC, it is entertaining

      May 30, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  5. pastapharian

    We must stop running our lives, our governements, and our planet based on primitive, violent, poorly written fairy tales.

    Please tell me why this is so hard to understand!

    Chief Exorcist??? OMFG!

    May 30, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • TC

      The reason you don't understand it it because you are too wrapped up in your own personal thoughts and desires to even slightly consider divine nature and you you caould care less about being compassionate to other people's situations.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • pastapharian

      TC: much like your personal religious beliefs, you have jumped to a series of misguided conclusions. Nowhere do I mention anything about my personla thoughts or desires. Nor did I ever discuss my charity work and level of compassion – both of which are great. And finally, you "COULDN'T care less", not "COULD".

      Religion is responsible for war, evil, and corruption. It is myth used as a weapon to control the masses of naive or uneducated followers to brainwashed to question the utter absurditiy of the fairy tales of magic sky people, talking snakes, virgin births, resurrections, global floods, etc.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      pastapharian, are you telling me we should let predators take over?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      Sorry, TC. pastapharian is right. You are brainwashed is all. Sad waste.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • pastapharian

      HS: where did I even imply such a ridiculous idea? You're assuming that religion is the only moral guide in existence for people today? And how's that working out for the religious gov't in Syria right now?

      Many non-religious people (including me) do the right thing because it's the right thing to do. I treat others well, help others in need, and hope to simply leave the world a better place. I do it because it's the right thing to do – not because I'm afraid that some vengeful sky creatre is going to punish me, or because I'm afraid I'll go to some mythical burning fires for eternity because I didn't follow some PERSON'S moral guidelines.

      I think I'll take my brand of morality over one ruled by fear and guilt any day. But I also understand that weaker people need that as their incentive to not go on a shooting rampage at a school, etc.

      I guess the whole suicide bomber mentality kinda ruins your argument as well, since these acts of profound cowardice are committed in the name of your same god.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
  6. BillDee

    An evil and fundamentally corrupt organization, responsible for much human misery and bloodshed since its inception.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • TC

      Typical anti catholic idiot. RCC has done more for education, medicine and missionary work than any organization in the history of the world. Yes, lots of bad stuff too but know your history.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • SuZieCoyote

      I love it. A religious organization causes no end of misery and then should get credit for helping out with a little of it?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Patti

      TC, let's not forget the BILLIONS the church has had to pay for systematically transferring hundreds of priest who have molested thousands upon thousands of children. BTW, I think the Catholic church has the honor of being the only major religion that is so nefarious it's spawned survivor groups.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  7. BigJohn

    The Vatican is like a company that only hires in-house candidates. No fresh blood, no new ideas.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Therefore, the head doesn't know what the tail does????

      May 30, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
  8. copanut

    Kevin desperately wants to convince everyone that Catholicism produces monsters that are no worse than Stalin. Is this high moral standard all one gets for giving over one's brain in trade for a belief in the unbelievable?

    May 30, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      copanutnut, and you believe yourself not to be brainwashed? You just thought of all this nonsense for complaining and whining all by yourself?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
  9. Eric

    The whole problem with all of this is the fact that the Vatican is a separate sovereign state within Italy. This is basically like Disneyland being a separate sovereign state within the United States, and the Vatican having the power to arrest someone is like Mickey Mouse having the power to arrest someone. Seriously? I think it is time for the Vatican to go the way of all the other European aristocracies, and have their power yanked. They can have some sort of symbolic power, but that should be the extent of it. The queen of England is loved by all, and is important in England, but has no real authority to dictate policy, though I am sure the influence is still there. The pope can wave his golden scepter of religious dogma and deception, while all of his followers chant and cheer, but when it comes to having any authority over anything he should have he should have his little beans snipped. Now, when one of these highly virtuous godly sorts kidnaps a young girl, or decides the take his liberties with the choir boys, or bribes some official, or commits some other unholy act, the Italian police can go in and offer the possibility of some justice.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
  10. BOBBY

    God...all those thousands of years of work to build something totally void of value....what a waste

    May 30, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Cq

      Are you talking about the Papacy, the Catholic church, or Christianity in general?

      May 30, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • BOBBY

      Cq...yes

      May 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • closet atheist

      @ cq.... i heart you

      May 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • pastapharian

      lol @ cq

      May 30, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
  11. bob dobalina

    The pope..the vatican..the religion....it all must go...there will be no peace until then.....the only difference between them and the Sopranos is that their Sanitation business is larger....

    May 30, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
  12. HEM

    Here's an idea.
    Why not just let the WHOLE THING . . . GO.
    Just . . . GO. As in, "GO AWAY."
    Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Mormonism . . . the WHOLE THING . . . GONE. Imagine it!
    An entire world devoted to helping HUMANITY based on the idea that ALL PEOPLE are worth something. Not just the ones who belong to, "OUR church." "OUR Religion." Who share, "OUR beliefs." Or, "OUR faith."
    Religion is a disease.
    It infects, destroys and inevitably kills everything it comes into contact with.
    We, the thinking and rational people of this world, have the cures.
    They're called, "Intelligence, Rationality and Reason."
    Perhaps those of you who believe in religious nonsense have heard of them and simply chosen NOT to employ them in your daily lives.
    More's the pity.
    What a wonderful world you could help build.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      no religion = know peace

      May 30, 2012 at 12:21 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Have you not learned anything about human nature? Even if there were no religion there would still be war. It would probably be a nicer place to live but it wouldn't be sunshine, rainbows, and singing around a campfire.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • BOBBY

      a true idealist...how refreshing...well said!!!

      May 30, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • closet atheist

      I have to agree with our french ball carrier, jacqes strappe, on this one. Religion is used by power-hungry individuals to manipulate followers for their own gain (prestige, money, whatever). If not religion, it'd be something else.

      That said, it would be a great fricking start...!!

      May 30, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Jelly Jellington

      I don't get it. When I say that sort of stuff everyone ignores me.
      I'm jelly, HEM. Jelly!

      May 30, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • pastapharian

      sure seems simple enough, no? stop runnng your lives, the governements, and this planet based on violent, poorly written fairy tales.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  13. Reality

    The RCC continues on its slippery slope to oblivion as do all religions because of their flawed theologies and histories.

    A review of RCC's slippery slope:

    ONLY FOR THE NEW MEMBERS OF THIS BLOG:

    Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.

    The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.

    earlychristianwritings.com/theories.html

    For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".

    Current RCC problems:

    Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!

    May 30, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • Les

      Correction. Jesus was not an illiterate person. He was a scholar who often taught in the temple precinct. Trades such as carpentry were not trades that were populated by ignorant uneducated people although many of today's "carpenters" may seem to fit that mode. A better view of Jesus' skills would be that of a woodworker which often produced intricately carved pieces at the hands of skilled workers. Besides he was the owner of the business not an employee. He was moderately well-off (he owned at least 2 homes and a thriving business).

      BTW, I am decidedly NOT a Xtian but I think that any religion that has 1,200,000,000 members will not likely disappear very soon. Vatican City is a sovereign nation and the politics there are as much of the mundane as politics everywhere.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Jimmy G.

      Les is an idiot who thinks he's got Jesus' employment records, education records, et al, when there are no first-hand accounts of Jesus or anything he did. LOL

      May 30, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Sure there is Jimmy, read the Talmud that you blindly follow.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Les, you're talking to realityNOT who never worked with his hands, only to use those fingers to post his misery.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Reality

      The illiteracy of the simple preacher man aka Jesus, as per some contemporary experts:

      From Professor Bruce Chilton's commentary in his book, Rabbi Jesus, An Intimate Biography, p. 99,

      "What Luke misses is that Jesus stood in the synagogue as an illiterate m–amzer (pp. 98-102) in his claim to be the Lord's anointed".

      Note: Luke 4: 16 is a single attestation. No where else in the NT does it say Jesus could read thereby making said passage historically unreliable. (Luke 4:16-24) has been compared to a number of other passage and found to be equivalent with the exception of Luke 4: 16 which is the only passage in the list of equivalents that mentions reading:

      http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?t-itle=022_Prophets_Own_Country (leave out the hyphen in "t-itle" if you access the reference)

      GThom. 31 & P. Oxy. 1.31
      (2) Mark 6:1-6a = Matt 13:53-58
      (3) Luke 4:16-24
      (4) John 4:44

      Professor JD Crossan notes that Jesus was illiterate coming from a landless peasant background, initially a follower of John the Baptist. e.g. The Excavation of Jesus (with Professor Reed), pp 30-31..

      The question of Jesus's literacy has also been much discussed by the Jesus Seminar and others and they note that references in the Gospels to Jesus reading and writing may well be fictions.

      The only Gospel reference to Jesus writing is John 8:6 in the Pericope Adulterae, widely considered a later addition, where it is not even clear he is forming letters in the dust, and the Greek "εγραφεν" could equally mean he was drawing.

      Luke 2: 41-52, the twelve year old Jesus in the temple- As per Professor Gerd Ludemann in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 275, " the episode is unhistorical" (again, a single attestaion). See also http://wiki.faithfutures.org/index.php?ti-tle=433_Jesus_at_Twelve

      It is very unfortunate that Jesus was illiterate for it resulted in many gospels and epistles being written years after his death by non-witnesses. This resulted in significant differences in said gospels and epistles and with many embellishments to raise Jesus to the level of a deity to compete with the Roman gods and emperors. See Raymond Brown's book, An Introduction to the New Testament, (Luke 4:16 note on p. 237) for an exhaustive review of the true writers of the gospels and epistles.

      Of course, Muslims believe that Mohammed was also illiterate. This way, they can claim that the only way he could have received the "angelic", koranic passages of death to all infidels and Islamic domination of the globe by any means, was orally since he could not read and write.

      May 30, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
  14. desstro

    Pope Church == Mulla Madrassa. Church has been a criminal enterprise since middle ages. They even sided with the Nazis for the most part. Those hard core christians are just to dumb to realize these simple facts. They are now starting to look like those brainwashed muslim teenage suicide bombers.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      So, desstro, you're trying to tell us that you haven't been indoctrinated in any way, shape or form ... into the whiner and complainer family?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
  15. Kay

    Reading this article was another reminder that being religious by no means implies spirituality or wisdom.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
  16. Bootyfunk

    the real power struggle is for who will be head child molester...

    May 30, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • Les

      Your ignorance is remarkable. The ev(il)angelicans are just as guilty of this sort of behavior as any other religion. A little research would allow you to argue more effectively instead of spewing utter nonsense.

      The conservative right is just as guilty with their child brides, male escort services, boy scout escapades and the r-ape of wives who say no. Let he who is without blame cast the first stone.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Les: The differene between the groups you mentioned and the RCC is that the groups you mentioned do not hide the perps from the law like the RCC does.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      TruthP, could it be that Jesus told us to send rapists back to Him?

      May 30, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Could it be that outside of the NT there is no evidence that Jesus said anything? Everything written about him was done so 30-40 years after he apparently died. It's very possible that he could have existed but that in no way proves he performed miracles or was born of virgin mother or is the son of god (in order for that to be accurate you need to prove your god exists or did exist). The whole Jesus stories sounds more like the making of a mountain from a mole pill. Back then the easier form of communication usually was travelers walking from town to town and a long the way they would talk to people and tell stories...it was how information traveled. So to most people, it would make sense that as the story got carried on it would change because everyone is unique and remembers things differently. History has proven that right numerous times, what makes the Jesus story any different?
      You can't possibly be that dumb as to believe in a virgin birth...it's just simply absurd.

      May 30, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • Scott

      @Les Let he who is without blame cast the first stone.

      Typical ass hole Christian. They love to hide behind this saying when they are being criticized for doing wrong but pay no attention to it at all when they are doing the criticizing

      May 30, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  17. BoyHowdie

    How Medieval....

    May 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
  18. PeachesforJesus

    If you think this story is without bias, your lying to yourself. Don't forget that Judas walked with Jesus to assist in our salvation. Also, the Church will endure "until the end of time" despite cnn's best efforts. For reals, how about a story about the Church suing the government or some of its national / international charity works or its endlessly numbered members changing the world or standing up to this culture of death?

    May 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • Leviticus 18&20

      or how about a story about how the bible was edited by the Catholic church in the 1350s, removing multiple passages and books. or the consistent shuffling of priests who have ripped the innocence from little boys? or how any of these people are doing the work of Jesus, since it looks like they're serving themselves...

      May 30, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      They had a bunch of articles about the lawsuits last week. There is probably nothing new to report because most of the talks are happening behind closed doors out of the public/media view.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Les

      How about a story about how King James changed the bible because it didn't give people a sense of obedience to government?

      Protestant or Catholic. Its merely two different sides of the same rotten apple.

      May 30, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • pastapharian

      peaches: you do realize that your bold statements have absolutely no basis in fact, don't you?

      just curious.

      May 30, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • TR6

      “the Church will endure "until the end of time" despite cnn's best efforts”

      The catholic church is just as eternal as the church of Zeus or the church of Ra or the church of Thor

      May 30, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  19. rick1948

    The Catholic Church is nothing but a big corporation with secrets and agendas that no one knows about – except the inner circle. In a regular corporation, it's the board of directors. In the Catholic Church, it's the Cardinals. Same BS – different wrapper.

    May 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      rick1948 – and you know this because you spent time inside the Vatican as you formed this opinion? The organization of the Vatican is certainly beaurocratic but it's unlike any corporation with a board of directors. They are an independent City/State government that is also a religious body. That is why they have a Secretary of State like other nations.

      May 30, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
  20. Scuromondo

    Wow! The fact that, in the 21st century, any organization has a "chief exorcist," is absolutely inconceivable. If anyone with power in the Roman Church truly still believes in exorcisms and other forms of magic, it is totally incompatible with life in the modern world. How can anyone pretend to believe what is impossible to believe anymore?

    May 30, 2012 at 12:11 pm |
    • pastapharian

      I assume these are all rhetorical questions? lol

      May 30, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Scuromondo – The Catholic Church has always maintained priests trained in exorcism. In fact, I believe that each diocese is required to have at least one priest that is trained in this area which is not magic by the way. There is an increase in the interest of the occult and demonic possessions in our present times and this will probably continue to rise as morality continues to decline in the so called "modern world"

      May 30, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • Jacques Strappe, World Famous French Ball Juggler

      Wow SPA Knight. You honestly believe that? If demons would take over people you would think we would have some proof of their existence.

      May 30, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • SPA Knight

      Jacques – Plenty of proof available on this blog don't you think?

      May 30, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
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