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May 31st, 2012
04:27 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, May 31

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Nuns' fight with Vatican highlights Catholicism's global struggle
The charges ranged from promoting “radical feminism” to espousing religious teachings out of step with the Catholic Church. Now, six weeks after many American nuns said they were blindsided by a bruising Vatican assessment, a key nuns' leadership group is meeting to decide how to respond.

CNN: Vatican shows rare public anger over leak
The Vatican expressed rare public anger Wednesday in blasting the leaking of private papers from the pope's apartment, a scandal that observers say lifts the lid on a secret power struggle going on behind the closed doors of the Catholic Church. A top Roman Catholic Church official called the theft of the documents "an immoral act of unprecedented gravity" and "despicable abuse of the relationship of trust that exists between Benedict XVI and those who turn to him."

Business Insider CEO and Editor-in-Chief Henry Blodget in New York earlier this year.

CNN: Business site raises eyebrows by asking 'Why Do Some People Hate Jews?'
The Business Insider, a popular business-focused news website, posted a curious headline on its site: “Why Do Some People Hate Jews?” Tuesday's headline and accompanying blog post, from Business Insider CEO and Editor-in-Chief Henry Blodget, wound up turning a lot of heads. The avalanche of response and criticism prompted Blodget – a high-profile former Wall Street analyst – to revise his headline and offer explanations/defenses of his post throughout the day.

CNN: Tennessee mosque's fate again up in the air
The long-running battle between a Tennessee Muslim community and its critics over a new mosque took a dramatic turn with a county judge's ruling that could bring construction to a halt. "Everyone is really shocked, many people are crying about this," Imam Osama Bahloul, leader of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, said early Wednesday.

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The New York Times: In Milwaukee Post, Cardinal Authorized Paying Abusers
Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York authorized payments of as much as $20,000 to sexually abusive priests as an incentive for them to agree to dismissal from the priesthood when he was the archbishop of Milwaukee.

Religion News Service: NYC transit workers free to wear turbans without agency logo
Sikh and Muslim transit workers in New York City are celebrating the settlement of a federal lawsuit that will allow them to wear turbans on the job, in public and without affixing Metropolitan Transit Authority logos to them. They will just have to be the same blue color as the MTA uniform.

The Independent: Dublin patron saint's heart stolen in cathedral raid
The preserved heart of Dublin's patron saint, one of Catholic Ireland's most revered relics, has been stolen from the city's Christ Church Cathedral. It is the latest in a puzzling series of thefts of religious artefacts across the country.

The Telegraph: 'Jesus is coming, better get your hair done' advert deemed not offensive
The advert for Barber Brown's hair salon, which is based in Bristol but has a string of salons across the southwest of England, featured a photo of Jesus Christ bathed in light. Text on the press advert stated: "He is coming ... Better get your hair done!" Two people complained that the advert was offensive to Christians and that the ad 'implied that Jesus would judge people on their outward appearance' and was offensive as it 'depicted the Second Coming as humorous'.

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CNN: Vatican scandals lift lid on secret power struggle
Bad luck comes in threes, even for the pope. The past week has seen his butler arrested, accused of leaking secret papers from the papal apartment; the head of his bank sacked for incompetence; and a demonstration on his front doorstep by protesters demanding that he reveal what he knows about Italy's most famous missing-person case. It's bad PR for the Vatican, but it may be more than that, experts say. It could affect who becomes the next pope.

- CNN's Laura Koran

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  1. myklds

    We, TRUE believers have lesser tendencies to commit murders and other unpardonable sins than atheists because, we believe that aside from it is logically, morally and lawfully wrong to harm our fellow beings, we also believe that they are abominable in the sight of God. In other words, we believe that in everything we do, we are answerable NOT ONLY by ourselves but ALSO to God. If our rationale fails, we still have faith in God that will enlighten, streghten and lead us back to our senses. Hence, we will never do things that would harm others even if we are in the brink to do so and being motivated by any circu.stances and even if we are in the position and capacity to do it likewise the cability to get away with it.

    On the other hand, atheists rely ONLY on their own understanding and think that they are answerable ONLY by themselves. Then, what if it (understanding) would fail? What if they are getting push by an unfortunate circu.mstance and are in the position to do so and have the capability to get away with it?

    And to be honest, we TRUELY religious people are cherry-pickers of bible because we only follow whatever good things and examples written on it that would strenghten us and improve our lives both in spiritual and temporal aspects. We ultimately disregard the opposites.

    Apparently, atheists also cherry-pick bible verses, the difference is, they follow the other way around. And that made them (atheists) what they are now.

    To conclude. Nobody commits atrocities in the name of religion but there's a lot of people that HIDE behind religion and USE the name of religion to justify their atrocities...and they are...the TRUE-BLUE & COOL BLOODDED...ATHEISTS.

    June 2, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • t3chn0ph0b3

      Your grasp on formal logic is pretty tenuous. Also, please cite a peer-reviewed article from a well-respected scientific journal that supports your atheist vs. "true-believer" crime stats. Finally, please cite bible verses that allow you to "cherry-pick" which verses were really written by God and which you get to discard as inconvenient.

      June 2, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  2. Colin

    Oh my creationist friends, proof of evolution is all around you. Now, before you declare me “stupid,” “evil” or part of a worldwide conspiracy to deny the truth of your talking snake theory of life on Earth, please take five minutes to read this.

    The classic definition of a species is that two members of the same species can breed and produce fertile offspring, but cannot mate with members of a different species. A human of any race can mate with a human of any other race, but none of us can mate with a chimpanzee, for example. So, all humans are in the same species, but we are all a different species to chimpanzees. Easy stuff.

    Indeed, it is often easy to tell that two organisms are of different species just by looking at them. Compare, for example, a dog to a horse. Where it gets a little complex, however, is where you have two organisms that look very similar, but are of different species, or two different species that look very similar. Dogs are a great example of both. Compare a lighter-coated German Shepherd to the wolf. They look very similar, but are of a different species. Likewise, a Great Dane looks very different to a Corgi, but they are of the same species, Canis lupi.s familiaris, the domestic dog.

    Why are Great Danes and Corgis considered to be the same species (along with German Shepherds) but wolves and German Shepherds not? Same reason as humans. Great Danes, German Shepherds and Corgis can and will mate and produce fertile offspring, but none of them can mate with a wolf. However, and this is where evolution kicks in, all breeds of dog alive today descended from wolves. In fact, it is likely (but not certain) that they all descended, ultimately, from a small pack of wolves that were domesticated in the Middle East some 10,000 years ago. Some research suggests Manchuria as the location, but I digress.

    What happened was that humans noticed that certain, less aggressive wolves were handy to have around. They ate pests and garbage and alerted the camp when predators lurked nearby. So, humans began to intentionally feed and try to tame them. The tamer, less aggressive wolves were less afraid of human interaction and less likely to harm their human hosts. They, therefore received more food and protection, which gave them a breeding advantage, and they passed on this favorable trait, call it “tameness,” to their offspring.

    The tamer offspring were constantly chosen (probably unknowingly) for care and support and the wilder, more aggressive members of the litter discarded, perhaps for biting or avoiding humans. After hundreds or thousands of years of inadvertent selection for “tameness” the camp wolves started to become dependent on their human hosts and to even look different to their still wild ancestors. They lost the extreme aggressiveness that helped them in the wild, became less streamlined and tooled for the kill and had less adrenaline that causes aggression. In other words, they slowly became, in a sense, fat, dumb and happy. Dough-boys. Girlie-men compared to their wild cousins, still red of fang and claw.

    These first domestic dogs were so popular with humans that their “use” spread and humans all over the globe – from Australian Aboriginals, New Zealand Maoris and other Polynesians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans all began to use dogs. Then something else happened. Humans actually noticed that, if there was a specific trait you liked about your, say male dog, you could breed it with a female with the same trait and the offspring would inherit that trait. If, for example, a hunter-gatherer only ever allows the fastest male dogs to breed with the fastest female dogs, after many years of such selective breeding the resultant dogs would differ so much in body shape, leg length and, perhaps, lung capacity from their ancestor as to be considered a separate breed.

    No one set of offspring would differ greatly from its parents, but it will differ a little more from its grandparents, and even a little more from its great-grandparents etc., until we go all the way back to the original dog, which will be quite different in appearance.

    Bang – dog breeding was born. Humans selected for speed, resulting in the Greyhound, smelling and tracking ability (Bloodhounds) ability to herd sheep (Collies and Australian Shepherds) appearance (Dalmatians and Po.odles) size (Chihuahuas and Great Danes) and a host of other traits.

    As with most human activities, as our knowledge increased, dog breeding improved and exploded in the 1900s, with the current 600 or so breeds of dogs all descendent from the original wolf. Many breeds of dog alive today evolved over the past few decades and did not even exist as late as 1900. But, every last domestic dog, from the Teacup Chihuahua in Paris Hilton’s purse to the Great Danes of European car advertisements, are the cu.mulative result of selective breeding down different paths from the original wolf.

    They can no longer breed with wolves for a variety of reasons, including basic s.exual physiology, mating rituals and genetic compatibility of the spe.rm and egg. Not only that, but put any domestic dog in the wild and it would not survive a week. A wolf is much more likely to eat a Shih Tzu than bonk it. They are separate species. In the struggle for life, the domestic dog species originated through means of selection as a favored race from the original wolf. If this last sentence sounds familiar, that is because it is. It is essentially the full ti.tle of Charles Darwin’s seminal work: “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”.

    So there you have it, my Bible-cuddling friends. Evolution in motion. Undeniable, living in every suburb, licking our face, fetching our sticks and po.oping on our sidewalks. Macro-evolution. A well recorded, docu.mented, DNA mapped and uncontroversial case of evolution of one species – Canis lupus lupus, the Eurasian wolf, into another, Canis lupus familiaris, the domestic dog.

    There are many, many others examples of evolution all around us by the way. Even the most cursory of research into any branch of horticulture or animal husbandry quickly reveals that the size, variety, health, longevity and resistance to disease of most of our domesticated plants and animals were the thing of dreams as recently as 100 years ago. Indeed, biotech companies like Monsanto would quickly fall behind the competi.tion if they did not spend millions each year on Darwinian selective breeding programs. Why do you think horse breeders spend thousands of dollars to have a fast racehorse mate with their mare?

    Wheat is another great example, as are gra.pes. The species of wheat that we in the West use for bread only developed in the last few thousand years as a result of two epi.sodes of sympatric speciation (different to selective breeding, but an agent of evolution none the less) and the various Shiraz, Char.donnay and Pinot Noir gra.pes we enjoy today, in the form of wine, were all developed and perfected in the last 100 years or so.

    So, Adam or Eve, the next time you kneel down in your church and take your weekly dose of the body and blood of your dead Jew, you might like to reflect on the fact that you are actually eating proof of evolution and washing it down with proof of evolution.

    “Body of Darwin” Amen!

    June 2, 2012 at 9:07 am |
  3. Colin

    There are many, many others examples of evolution all around us by the way. Even the most cursory of research into any branch of ho.rticulture or animal husbandry quickly reveals that the size, variety, health, longevity and resistance to disease of most of our domesticated plants and animals were the thing of dreams as recently as 100 years ago. Indeed, biotech companies like Monsanto would quickly fall behind the competi.tion if they did not spend millions each year on Darwinian selective breeding programs. Why do you think horse breeders spend thousands of dollars to have a fast racehorse mate with their mare?

    June 2, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • Leo

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJyUtbn0O5Y&w=640&h=360]

      June 2, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • Leo

      Romans 1

      18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

      19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

      21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

      22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

      June 2, 2012 at 9:04 am |
  4. Colin

    So there you have it, my Bible-cuddling friends. Evolution in motion. Undeniable, living in every suburb, licking our face, fetching our sticks and po.oping on our sidewalks. Macro-evolution. A well recorded, docu.mented, DNA mapped and uncontroversial case of evolution of one species – Canis lupus lupus, the Eurasian wolf, into another, Canis lupus familiaris, the domestic dog.

    June 2, 2012 at 9:01 am |
  5. Colin

    They can no longer breed with wolves for a variety of reasons, including basic s.exual physiology, mating rituals and genetic compatibility of the spe.rm and egg. Not only that, but put any domestic dog in the wild and it would not survive a week. A wolf is much more likely to eat a Shih Tzu than bonk it. They are separate species. In the struggle for life, the domestic dog species originated through means of selection as a favored race from the original wolf. If this last sentence sounds familiar, that is because it is. It is essentially the full ti.tle of Charles Darwin’s seminal work: “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life”.

    June 2, 2012 at 9:00 am |
  6. Colin

    Ignore post These first domestic dogs were so popular with humans that their “use” spread and humans all over the globe – from Australian Aboriginals, New Zealand Maoris and other Polynesians, Egyptians, Greeks and Romans all began to use dogs. Then something else happened. Humans actually noticed that, if there was a specific trait you liked about your, say male dog, you could breed it with a female with the same trait and the offspring would inherit that trait. If, for example, a hunter-gatherer only ever allows the fastest male dogs to breed with the fastest female dogs, after many years of such selective breeding the resultant dogs would differ so much in body shape, leg length and, perhaps, lung capacity from their ancestor as to be considered a separate breed.

    No one set of offspring would differ greatly from its parents, but it will differ a little more from its grandparents, and even a little more from its great-grandparents etc., until we go all the way back to the original dog, which will be quite different in appearance.

    Bang – dog breeding was born. Humans selected for speed, resulting in the Greyhound, smelling and tracking ability (Bloodhounds) ability to herd sheep (Collies and Australian Shepherds) appearance (Dalmatians and Po.odles) size (Chihuahuas and Great Danes) and a host of other traits.

    As with most human activities, as our knowledge increased, dog breeding improved and exploded in the 1900s, with the current 600 or so breeds of dogs all descendent from the original wolf. Many breeds of dog alive today evolved over the past few decades and did not even exist as late as 1900. But, every last domestic dog, from the Teacup Chihuahua in Paris Hilton’s purse to the Great Danes of European car advertisements, are the cu.mulative result of selective breeding down different paths from the original wolf.

    June 2, 2012 at 8:56 am |
  7. Colin

    Ignore this post trying to find a bnned word

    Why are Great Danes and Corgis considered to be the same species (along with German Shepherds) but wolves and German Shepherds not? Same reason as humans. Great Danes, German Shepherds and Corgis can and will mate and produce fertile offspring, but none of them can mate with a wolf. However, and this is where evolution kicks in, all breeds of dog alive today descended from wolves. In fact, it is likely (but not certain) that they all descended, ultimately, from a small pack of wolves that were domesticated in the Middle East some 10,000 years ago. Some research suggests Manchuria as the location, but I digress.

    What happened was that humans noticed that certain, less aggressive wolves were handy to have around. They ate pests and garbage and alerted the camp when predators lurked nearby. So, humans began to intentionally feed and try to tame them. The tamer, less aggressive wolves were less afraid of human interaction and less likely to harm their human hosts. They, therefore received more food and protection, which gave them a breeding advantage, and they passed on this favorable trait, call it “tameness,” to their offspring.

    The tamer offspring were constantly chosen (probably unknowingly) for care and support and the wilder, more aggressive members of the litter discarded, perhaps for biting or avoiding humans. After hundreds or thousands of years of inadvertent selection for “tameness” the camp wolves started to become dependent on their human hosts and to even look different to their still wild ancestors. They lost the extreme aggressiveness that helped them in the wild, became less streamlined and tooled for the kill and had less adrenaline that causes aggression. In other words, they slowly became, in a sense, fat, dumb and happy. Dough-boys. Girlie-men compared to their wild cousins, still red of fang and claw.

    June 2, 2012 at 8:55 am |
  8. Colin

    Ignore this post. Trying to find abanned word

    Oh my creationist friends, proof of evolution is all around you. Now, before you declare me “stupid,” “evil” or part of a worldwide conspiracy to deny the truth of your talking snake theory of life on Earth, please take five minutes to read this.

    The classic definition of a species is that two members of the same species can breed and produce fertile offspring, but cannot mate with members of a different species. A human of any race can mate with a human of any other race, but none of us can mate with a chimpanzee, for example. So, all humans are in the same species, but we are all a different species to chimpanzees. Easy stuff.

    Indeed, it is often easy to tell that two organisms are of different species just by looking at them. Compare, for example, a dog to a horse. Where it gets a little complex, however, is where you have two organisms that look very similar, but are of different species, or two different species that look very similar. Dogs are a great example of both. Compare a lighter-coated German Shepherd to the wolf. They look very similar, but are of a different species. Likewise, a Great Dane looks very different to a Corgi, but they are of the same species, Canis lupi.s familiaris, the domestic dog.

    June 2, 2012 at 8:55 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 1, 2012 at 8:01 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 4, 2012 at 10:54 am |
  10. hippypoet

    god does not exist in any form but those whom believes thoughts...god/s is/are just figments of our collective imagination – which i find to be ironic since organized religion seems rather bent on stomping out any and all free thought and sharing of ideas – it has been the major reason for its decline in power so they do have reason to fear the THINKING MAN!

    May 31, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • fred

      Exactly what difference is that to you since God (real or imagined) seeks only to share the love and goodness that is God with those who wish to spend eternity in unity in Christ?
      Your statement is nonsensical given that God (real or imagined) has created you to be a thinking man and encouraged those who believe to be thinking men and women. Beginning with Abraham through Jesus and Saul of Tarsus these were the top thinking men of their day. The greatest thinking men among the godless have nothing new to add as to the purpose of our existence or the origin of life then did these men of old.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, really? The posts of the fundiots on this forum do not demonstrate what you claim to be true.

      May 31, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Answer

      Oh the whack job 'fred' isn't dead yet. Such a shame.

      May 31, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      1 Timothy 4:1-2

      1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
      2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

      Amen.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • HeavenSent

      hippypoet, sorry to read that you weren't up to the challenge to learn Jesus' truth to be the best that He wants you to be. Yes, you would have experienced frustration and anger due to the sins of the flesh, but, little by little He'd challenge you to higher heights of His spiritual truth. His truth is our foundation. His wisdom proves that all things are possible as we keep His teachings close to our hearts as we walk His narrow path of righteousness.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:41 am |
  11. Hello and welcome to If You Were God Quiz

    If you were God and the species you just created just ate some fruit you told them not to, would you:
    A. Talk to them, makes them understand their error, and give them another chance, or
    B. Get angry, cast them out of your happy spot and punish them and their descendants forever for that mistake.

    If you were God and you were unhappy with the way the human race you created was behaving, would you:
    A. Appear before them and make it obvious that you are God, talk to them, set clear rules, try to make thing better, or
    B. Kill everybody without warning in a flood, except for a drunk who you have build a boat so that all species are inbred after that.

    If you were God and you a couple towns were misbehaving, would you:
    A. A. Appear before them and make it obvious that you are God, talk to them, set clear rules, try to make thing better, or
    B. Send in a pair of thug angels and have them whack everyone except for a couple travellers and the guy who offered his daughters up for rape?

    If you were God and you were making up rules for humans to live by, would you:
    A. Emphasize decency and kindness and cooperation, or
    B. Emphasize obedient servility and things like not wearing clothes with mixed fibers?

    If you were God and wanted people to believe in you, would you:
    A. Let your existence be sufficiently known throughout time and geography so that everyone had a fair chance of achieving your heavens, or
    B. Hide and create lots of other false gods so that people are confused and deceived, and make the evidence of nature show absolutely no sign of you so that intelligent people studying nature would be deceived and come to the conclusion that the universe is just a natural system?

    If you were God and you were deciding who gets to go to your heaven. would you:
    A. Base your decision on how decent and kind people were in life, or
    B. Base your decision purely on how whether they were grovelling sycophants?

    If you were God and it was time to end the universe, would you:
    A. Have a nice place to go where everyone has a good time, or
    B. Have a special place for the toadiest of your sycophants, where they get to do absolutely nothing but kiss your derriere forever, and a bad place for those who did not obey you, even though you used deception to confuse them and they may be really good people who happened to choose the wrong religion?

    If you were God and you had a lot of souls who had been bad in life, would you:
    A. Have a seminar for them to show them what was wrong and why, reform and re-educate them, then allow them to get out and go somewhere more pleasant, or
    B. Burn and torture and torment them nonstop for the rest of eternity?

    And now the special bonus question for those who chose A on every question:
    How can there be a God who created a species that was morally far superior to his own horrible behavior?

    May 31, 2012 at 3:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Same scriptures applies here ...

      1 Timothy 4:1-2

      1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
      2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

      Amen.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hello, you folks are so sad as you refuse to take the challenges Jesus gives all of us to be the best that He wants all of us to be. His spiritual truth is what you've never learned. Sad. You non-believers sink on quick sand ... no spiritual foundation of His truth ... always frustrated, angry, anxious, win/loose mentality as you view others beneath you or some sort of threat that needs removal from your path. Never to learn His win/win Spiritual truth that will set you free and allow you to spiritually grow to any height you can imagine on His narrow path of righteousness. Righteousness, what is good for you as well as all.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:51 am |
  12. Romanes eunt domus

    It's very simple: There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that any god, deity or supernatural entity exists. None. There are scriptures, but they are not evidence as their claims are unproven, there are many different scriptures which say different things, and their claims fail miserably when subjected to such logical tests as "The Problem Of Evil."

    Absolutely no evidence.

    The problem of evidence is so bad that religious people must resort to dishonest argumentation techniques due to their complete inability to legitimately support anything they are saying.

    No evidence. You have never seen any evidence that what you believe is true. You believed because someone told you it was so, and nothing more. Mommy, daddy, your buddy, whatever, but you did NOT come to believe because you actually witnessed something that cannot be explained by secular means.

    You wanted to believe so much that you started thinking that mere coincidence was the workings of God, conveniently ignoring the negative coincidences (or deciding that they were punishment for your behavior). But that was just you messing with yourself.

    No evidence. Sorry, but the universe is just a big mechanism that operates purely according to natural laws, with no manipulation by magic beings. Death is exactly what it looks like – you just stop.

    No evidence.

    May 31, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      These are your thoughts, today. I am hopeful that the day will come when you will have the opportunity, through grace, to make a choice that will change your thoughts.
      Ti.tus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

      May 31, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Romanes eunt domus

      Love the way you totally avoided the matter at hand and copped out to your fantasy delusion, Robert.

      May 31, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      It wasn’t a cope out. We have discussed evidence on here quite a bit. I just assumed you had read some of that.

      Jesus said in Matthew 12: 39 “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it…” They wanted him to show them a miracle, sign, evidence, or proof that he was the son of God. He refused. We can’t prove to you the existence of God by use of physical evidence. The witnesses of the events recorded them in the Bible and those who have been saved can give witness or testimony of their personal spiritual experience. The witnesses include the writers of the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, & Paul. They also include the other disciples, all those who were healed and saved in the narrative, those who were present at Pentecost, every person who has been saved since, and me. If you have been saved, you have experienced Jesus, and you can testify to that experience.

      My faith is based on my personal spiritual experiences. I did not require proof to believe in God. What is required is faith not evidence. It starts with an interest in God, which requires a little bit of faith or belief. As more is learned the faith grows. When the word of God is heard preached in the power of the Holy Spirit the faith can reached a point where the person feels drawn to God. Conversion or salvation occurs and the faith increases exponentially. Prayers are answered, more is learned, and faith continues to grow.

      Carnal thinking will reduce faith, spiritual thinking increases faith. Flesh and blood cannot enter God’s kingdom. God is a spirit and those who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. If your heart and mind are filled with things of this world you can’t communicate with God. It is only through God’s Holy Spirit that we are able to communicate with him and increase our faith. Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

      In Luke 16 Jesus told them the story of the rich man and the beggar. In the end he said even if one came back from the dead some would not believe.

      With the spirit the evidence or proof is all around us and is overwhelming and undeniable. Without it……..

      Are you convinced beyond any doubt that there is no God? If not, what evidence or proof would be adequate?

      May 31, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Romanes Eunt Domus

      You avoided every point I made again. Ah well.

      Had you lived in Saudi Arabia, you would be a Sunni Muslim. Had you lived in Ancient Rome, you would be a devout believer in Zeus. Had you lived in Aztec Mexico, you would firmly believe in Quetzlcoatl. That is where the progression of faith would have taken you in different times and places. The results of the development of faith you described would have led you to radically different religions, religions you are sure are false.

      You did not examine all religions before you chose, or even a few. You just conformed to the commonly accepted local religion.

      You don't like evidence, you did not choose but instead conformed, and you are dead certain you are right despite a complete and utter lack of evidence.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Non of you non-believers are as bright as you believe yourselves to be ... since, you can't figure out that Jesus teaches us how to be the best that He wants all of us to be. Life has many challenges. He never told us we would have smooth sailing as we walk through the peaks and valleys of life, He did promise us that He would always be with us, guiding our journey. Meaning, He teaches us step by step how to handle every thing that can or will occur in life. There is nothing new under the sun ... as He is our foundation that is solid, not mushy oatmeal ...

      All you non-believer fail miserably as it's all about you, you, you ... stunted from your carnal thinking ... never to experience how His spiritual truth sets us free.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:15 am |
  13. HeavenSent

    I gather no one on this blog has any functioning gray matter left to have listened to Pastor Knapps video until completion, yet, you'll post your babble not knowing what you do.

    May 31, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Jack

      I'm sure you have read and studied Dawkins and Gould, which is why I so value your opinion on evolution. So perhaps you would like to "babble" about evolution.

      May 31, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Jack, typical .... turn your back on His spiritual truth that builds you to be the best that He wants you to be. Instead, search all over for man's examples as you stay stunted in your carnal thinking. Bitter, frustrated, whiny ... comes to mind.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:19 am |
  14. Robert Brown

    Are these three religions; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam worshiping the same God?

    Adam 4000 bc
    Noah-flood 2300 bc
    Abraham 2000-1800 bc
    Ishmael-Ishmaelites
    Issac-Israelites
    Moses-Judaism 1400-1300 bc
    First 5 books of the Bible collated 500 bc
    Jesus-Christianity 30 ad
    Muhammed-Islam-Quran 600 ad

    May 31, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Ganesh

      Hinduism is older... probably back to about 7000 BC. It has most likely had more adherents over the centuries than the Middle Eastern desert religions, however they were/are not the warlike invaders and proselytizers that the Middle Easterners and the ensuing European believers.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Ganesh

      p.s. gods go nowhere that they are not carried by humans.

      May 31, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Islam does not worship Jesus. Islam has 95% of Jesus' truth, but, unfortunately, they have 5% of satan's lies thrown in as a curve ball.

      June 1, 2012 at 1:21 am |
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