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June 4th, 2012
05:43 PM ET

We don't teach hate, says church where anti-homosexual song filmed

By Ismael Estrada, CNN

Greensburg, Indiana (CNN) – About 20 protesters gathered on Sunday outside the Apostolic Truth Tabernacle here to voice opposition to a viral online video that was taped in the church and shows a young child singing song with lyrics that offer a harsh message for homosexuals.

The video, which surfaced on YouTube last week, shows a child in front of the congregation, singing "I know that God is right, and somebody's wrong... ain't no homo going to make it to heaven."

The congregation erupts in applause at those lines, which the unidentified boy repeats as the pastor looks on.

At another point in the video a voice is heard shouting,"That’s my boy."

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In the first Sunday service since the video surfaced, congregants arrived to the church as protesters jeered them over the video.

A church leader, who would not give his name, told CNN that journalists were not allowed inside the church and declined to offer anyone from church leadership to comment on the video.

The leader said that he needed to be cautious about letting outsiders into the church because it had received threats over the video and asked CNN to leave the premises.

Church videos with harsh words for gays go viral online

The local sheriff's office said the church had not reported any verifiable threats.

No one answered the door at the home of Jeff Sangl, the church's pastor.

The video of the singing boy was the latest in a string of viral anti-gay videos that have surfaced from independent churches.  Those videos have been resoundingly condemned by religious leaders, even by conservatives who believe homosexual sex is a sin.

The Apostolic Truth Tabernacle posted a statement on its website that says in part: "The Pastor and members of Apostolic Truth Tabernacle do not condone, teach, or practice hate of any person for any reason.”

The pastor's son, Josh Sangl, told CNN his father was away on vacation and that there was much more to the video than we were being told, though he wouldn’t elaborate.

The majority of the church members wouldn’t comment about the controversy or respond to questions about the parents of the young boy.

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"I think it's blown out of proportion, you know," said Robert Kirby, who is not a church member but was attending Sunday's church service in support of his daughter, who teaches Sunday School there. "They love everybody.

"They don't love sin though," he said. "It's all in the Bible."

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Filed under: Belief • Church • Homosexuality

soundoff (3,151 Responses)
  1. Jay

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    September 7, 2012 at 6:33 am |
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    September 6, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
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  5. wolfcat87

    Sounds like a bunch of idiot hicks.

    July 1, 2012 at 12:34 am |
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      September 6, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
  6. JOE BOB

    They Say we dont preach hate just intollerance.... and death if you dont believe in God the way they believe in God then by God they have the right to Kill you... That is the Christian, Morman, Muslin, Catholic belief system....

    June 21, 2012 at 11:45 am |
  7. Elizabeth Hanlon

    People have the right to worship as they please in this country. No matter how much others may be offended.

    June 20, 2012 at 10:54 pm |
    • jennymay

      You wanna explain how singing hate filled, self righteous songs is a form of worship?

      June 21, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • JOE BOB

      I can see it now a bunch of sheep singing your gay so i can kill you and at the same time saying but god loves me and wants me to preach my hate about you being gay... LALalaa

      Hate is Hate religions have always ended up with Hate being their reasoning to kill those who they deem non believers. HATE is HATE, Christians and Muslims hate everyone else regardless cause they see them as sinners to God. So their God is HATE.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Brenda

      CNN's new hires following the 2 Republicans for every Democrat model rendmis me of Phil Donahue's order from MSNBC that he feature 2 conservatives for every liberal on his show. The rationale, of course, was that the host himself, a liberal, would achieve a 2/2 balance. Donahue complained about the directive but followed it and then we all know what happened. The most successful program in its time was canceled despite its ratings for reasons having nothing to do with revenue and everything to do with the inevitable Iraq invasion.In CNN's case there appears to be a self-imposed mandate to stack the deck with rightwing commentators to balance out the perception that most media, including CNN, is liberal. This is where what I call the kiss-my-ass-I'll-only-kick-yours-harder game comes in. Jautz et. al. consciously or sub-consciously believe that if only they employ not only enough rightwingers but enough EXTREME rightwingers critics will finally stop accusing them of tilting left. They will kiss hard enough that the kicking will stop, in playbook terms. On the contrary, the harder they kiss the MORE they will be kicked in response and the only way out of this insidious closed circuit is for CNN to stop trying, ie to stop playing the game. But in order to stop one must realize that the game's being played in the first place, and that it is rigged in the second. CNN is incapable not only of coming to its senses but replacing its we're straight down the middle between FOX and MSNBC mantra with a here's the truth whatever side it's on approach.Good luck to them. If it ever happens it certainly won't be on Jautz's watch.

      July 29, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  8. Bugs Bunny

    Yes they do. They hate, hate, hate...because it makes them more money than doing what Christ commanded, and that's to love, love. love. And if money weren't involved, 99% of these religious preachers would be out of a job for being fakes.

    June 20, 2012 at 5:37 pm |
  9. PPLRWRD

    I finally got to see the video that has caused all this controversy. I have to say I support the gays oppinion on this one. Now, I am a Christian that believes being gay is a sin that will result in hell. But what I found offensive on the video is the fact that the crowd cheered when the boy said something to the effect that "aint not gay getting to heaven." The crowd cheering is what shocked me. There is absolutely nothing good about someone going to hell. Nothing to cheer about or to be happy about. Whether they are sinners for stealing, murdering, being gay, cheating on their wifes, being liars, and they deny God and his salvation it doesn't matter, it is a horrible, sad affair. So in this case I agree, this Church is teaching hate whether intentional or not.

    June 14, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • JOE BOB

      If there is a hell then a lot most i might say" of the Christians will be shocked to find that they too are in this HELL. Hate is not the way of an ultimate Deity if it is it is no GOD i will bow too. But i do hate all you people just so were clear.

      June 21, 2012 at 11:51 am |
  10. Don Canard

    Wow, what are all these people good for ? It's like most of the US is a giant low IQ sufferers convention.

    June 14, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  11. Robert

    Actions speak louder than words.
    You're bigots, you preach intolerance.
    So, yeah. You teach hate.

    June 14, 2012 at 6:41 am |
    • Just saying

      You cannot truly whole heartedly believe in God, and be a Christian, and preach intolerance. Intolerance and Christianity, at its core, are actually incompatible for the simple fact that Jesus himself ate with sinners to prove that tolerance and respect, is necessary to have peace. You have to love your brothers and sisters no matter what they are doing, no matter who they are, no matter the life style that they have chosen. Jesus, the whole time on this earth, tried to instill patience, tolerance, and love. This is not to say that there aren't a few bad apples in the Christian religion, but stop judging all by those few. That in and of itself is bigotry, therefore making you a hypocrite. So please feel free to hold yourself to the same standards that you are holding others to.

      June 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • Jhonk

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      September 6, 2012 at 9:57 pm |
  12. Just Saying

    For those who think that the saying "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is just a big lie so that people can spew hate everywhere with out regard to people or their feelings, it's exactly the opposite of that. It specifically says to love the sinner. It means that even though you may not condone everything that they are doing, or practicing, in their life, you love them with out end for who they are, a child of God, created in His holy image.

    June 13, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
    • Robert

      "Hate the sin, love the sinner" is what bigots tell themselves to avoid facing the truth.
      They're bigots.
      You have every right to be a bigot, but please spare us all the hipocrisy, you're not nice people, you're not good people, and the world will be better in your absense.

      June 14, 2012 at 6:44 am |
  13. agentxyz

    My father always had this advice to live by and I've never had reason to question it. He used to tell me "Don't forget to wipe."

    June 12, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  14. Biblical

    Hate the sin but love the sinner. In fact, pray for him/her

    Amen!

    June 11, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
    • Cq

      So, you don't want people to hate you for your hate speech; you just want people to hate the hate speech itself? What are we talking about here, some uncontrollable compulsion to hurt people? You're not responsible for your actions? Really?

      June 12, 2012 at 8:35 am |
    • midwest rail

      The Big Lie as practiced by the modern faux Christian – " love the sinner, hate the sin ". Then they go on their merry way spewing bigotry, ignorance, and hatred.

      June 12, 2012 at 10:27 am |
    • jennymay

      Nobody wants your pity filled, self righteous prayers. Save em for yourself.

      June 21, 2012 at 9:50 am |
    • Marites

      Beckel and Colmes? Right wingers! Bwah, ha, ha! Have you ever acllatuy watched these guys. They were defending Weiner AFTER he fessed up. They've never met a liberal outrage they couldn't love. Lanny Davis, Susan Estrich and Kirsten Powers are Democratic Party operatives! Did you just fall to earth?

      November 8, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
  15. Intuition

    Something tells me that there is more than one troll here, posting just to have fun. How christian are the christians? thats an open question.

    June 11, 2012 at 10:36 pm |
  16. Kindness

    Kindness
    For you.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

    June 11, 2012 at 7:27 pm |
    • Cq

      "The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence."
      Tell me, do you do this as a general rule with everything you need to evaluate, like investments and health care choices? The criticism here is that most Christians will research their choice of breakfast cereal more extensively than they will the basic tenants of their religion.

      "Evidence follows faith."
      If this were true then no one would ever loose their life savings to a con man, right?

      "Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?"
      Somehow, a belief system that teaches people that they are the center of all the universe, created in the image of the most perfect being imaginable, strikes me as a bit more of an ego trip than accepting that we aren't destined to live forever because of our "specialness", but that we live our short lifetimes and die like every other living thing on the planet, our bodies decomposing and ultimately entering the food chain once again, on a tiny speck of a planet in an ordinary, remote backwater of the universe.

      June 12, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • nonconformist

      "Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box."

      Since when is self delusion "thinking outside of the box"? Seems to me you put yourself in the exclusionary box of Christianity and the blinders are so firmly in place that you can no longer tell where the sides of the box are.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
  17. Biblical

    The slant in this whole article (and the comments on it) is a Example#1 of the attack on christians and churches for just saying and following the scripture. Look up the war on christmas too.

    June 11, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Sim34

      "following the scripture"
      The Christian equivelent of using the "I was just following orders" defence at a war crimes trial.

      Cop out!

      June 12, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • nonconformist

      That excuse was also used to justify slavery and continues to be used to oppress women as well.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
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