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Nuns' group plans bus trip to protest the Ryan budget
A group of nuns is protesting Rep. Paul Ryan's budget proposal.
June 6th, 2012
06:56 PM ET

Nuns' group plans bus trip to protest the Ryan budget

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) - American nuns are taking their opposition of the proposed Paul Ryan budget to the American people and embarking on a bus tour through some of America’s most politically important states.

NETWORK, a group founded by 47 Catholic sisters that speaks out on social justice issues in particular, will be hitting states like Iowa, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia in order to reveal “how federal budget cuts proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, (R-WI), and passed by the House of Representatives will hurt struggling families in these states,” a release by the group reads.

In interviews after unveiling his budget, Ryan said that he applied his view of Catholic social teaching in his budget proposal, a statement that Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of NETWORK, said co-opted sacred Catholic teachings.

“I think he was so direct in draping himself in the mantle of Catholic social teaching,” Campbell said. “He took the words but he took none of the meaning in the forming of the budget.”

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Campbell continued: “It is one thing to have political differences, but to try to hide a budget that will devastate people and claim that it is supported by your faith. It is unacceptable. He is wrong and he needs to be told so.”

Ryan’s $3.53 trillion dollar budget doubles down on past proposals Republicans have made to overhaul Medicare and other government programs that are seen as politically sensitive. While the budget has little chance to become law, it draws a distinct contrast with Democratic views on spending and will loom large in the 2012 race for the presidency.

Ryan was given an opportunity to respond to Catholics who have questioned his budget in a speech at Georgetown University, the oldest Catholic university in the country.

“Of course, there can be differences among faithful Catholics on this. The work I do, as a Catholic holding office, conforms to the social doctrine as best I can make of it,” said Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican. “What I have to say about the social doctrine of the church is from the viewpoint of a Catholic in politics applying my understanding of the problems of the day.”

The Georgetown speech also gave Catholic opponents an opportunity to confront Ryan with their disapproval. As Ryan delivered the remarks, he came face-to-face with protesters who unveiled a banner that read “Stop the War on the Poor.” Outside the event, Catholics United protested the event. A little over a dozen people stood outside Healy Hall, where the speech took place, and held a sign the read, “WERE YOU THERE WHEN THEY CRUCIFIED THE POOR?”

The nuns' bus trip will go through Wisconsin, Ryan’s home state, and Campbell said the nuns will meet with congressional representatives and their staffs. In particular, Campbell indicated that NETWORK is specifically targeting Catholic representatives who had voted for Ryan’s budget.

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“There are some Catholic representatives who have voted for the House budget that Representative Ryan proposed and we as Catholics believe that we should go talk to them and talk to their staffs,” Campbell said.

The trip comes during a controversial time between American nuns and their leadership in Vatican City. Recently, the Vatican has been critical of the nuns, in particular, charging the nuns of espousing “radical feminism” and straying from church teaching.

The busing nuns referenced this controversy in their announcement of the event, stating that “despite the controversy, Catholic Sisters stand with the Bishops in criticizing the Ryan budget and are committed to staying faithful to their mission to serve those in need.”

“In fact, on this issue, we stand with the bishops,” Campbell said.

And that is true. In an April release from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the bishops call on "Congress and the Administration to protect essential help for poor families and vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities.”

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Bishops • Catholic Church

soundoff (289 Responses)
  1. drp146

    The Ryan Budget Plan makes the Republican party platform very clear: Just get rich and we will take very good care of you. And we will pay for helping the rich by cutting help to those among us who need it the most. How very Christian of them.

    June 7, 2012 at 11:35 am |
  2. StandupforTruth

    Iceman
    Irenaeus was not a Roman Emperor, He was a bishop and martyr. Did Roman Emperors that persecuted christians die as martyrs?
    The name of the Roman Emperor was Domitian.
    What was your last exclamation?
    Research,

    Fides et Ratio my brother

    June 7, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • jill

      StandupforTruth, don't obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent.Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently yet unremarkably.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      I am also a fan of Dr. Seuss, may he rest eternally in peace.

      June 7, 2012 at 11:25 am |
  3. Kindness

    Kindness
    For you.
    A thought to consider without a typical ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Let go and let god".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    June 7, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • Primewonk

      Is there specific reason you are spamming the threads with this drivel? Can you ecplain how this post relates to the story above?

      June 7, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • WASP

      @kindness: "Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late."
      ok let's just iron this out; you believe out of fear of "god" possibly being real and a real fear of hell and death.......i don't think your "god" when you meet him will be too forgiving to a follower that is only following to save their own skin.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • sam stone

      kindness: your god is an impotent little punk. get off your knees

      June 7, 2012 at 10:09 am |
    • Bob

      'Kindness'. what a big load of crap you just posted. Religious faith is what people have when they aren't smart enough or brave enough to handle the evidence and draw the obvious conclusions from it: there's no god.

      If your god was so "loving", he wouldn't have loaded his holy book with such horrible instructions to murder and worse, and he wouldn't be letting millions of innocent people and children worldwide die horrid deaths from e.g. cancers and starvation and natural disasters.

      Grow some courage and get past your sickening religious delusions already.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • Topher

      For a bunch of people who proclaim to KNOW there is no God, your messages seem to be more of the persuasion of "I HATE HIM!" And if there is no God, then why waste your energy? There is so much anger coming from you. I thought atheists were supposed to be happy people.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:26 am |
    • No God

      We're not wasting energy, we are making sure your retarded religious rules are not imposed on those who do not share your archaic backwards way of thinking.
      We also do not hate a god who does not exist. Once again you have misinterpreted the situation. It would be best to keep your mouth shut if you do not have the comprehension to process what is being said.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Topher

      From the responses to just this one post ... "spamming the threads with this drivel?"; "your god is an impotent little punk."; "what a big load of crap you just posted. Religious faith is what people have when they aren't smart enough or brave enough to handle the evidence and draw the obvious conclusions from it: there's no god."; "Grow some courage and get past your sickening religious delusions already"; "retarded religious rules are not imposed on those who do not share your archaic backwards way of thinking."

      No, you're right. There's no hate going on here. 🙂

      June 7, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • sam stone

      "No, you're right. There's no hate going on here."

      Just a response to the arrogance displayed by theists, and their empty proxy threats.

      June 7, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • JustaNormalPerson

      Dude, I would seriously suggest you get off the drugs. They are seriously frying your brain. The topic deals with American nuns and their opposition to the Ryan plan.

      June 7, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • Huebert

      @Topher

      Their may be hate from some atheist, but it isn't hatred of god, atheist don't believe that god exist. I personally hate being told that I'm evil and diverse eternal punishment. I hate that some religious people would deny civil rights to h.omos.exuals, or deny healthcare access to women. I hate that some religious persons are attempting to have their creation myth taught to school children as science. I hate that religion has consistently stood in the way of scientific progress. I hate that the religious were able to ban stem cell research, which has the potential to bring about the greatest revolution in medicine since germ theory. I hate the way that religious people will dismiss evolutionary theory as "just a theory" without ever even bothering to understand what a theory is. I hate that religious groups have attempted to ban books such as Harry Potter, Fahrenheit 451, and The Golden Compass.

      You perceive my hate as being directed toward god because you believe that god has sanctioned the above actions, But god has never existed. My hate is for your behavior, and for the church that condones and protects your own hateful view. point.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
    • just sayin

      Brevity.....is your friend. No one is going to read your ramblings..just scan and see blah blah..my jesus...blah blah...in a nutshell your post is self serving to your self imposed guilt and ego. You are also clearly delusional. Praying and religion are for the weak minded.

      June 7, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • just sayin

      Most see people like you and the HeavenSents of the worlkd like Brad Pitt in 12 Monkeys

      June 7, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • just sayin

      Your faith and bible is therapy for your mental illness. The rest of us live in reality land.

      June 7, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  4. realityville

    1. You believe that the pope has personal conversations with God (that nobody else ever hears) and is infallible when speaking on matters of Church doctrine. You then wistfully ignore the fact that Church doctrine changes and that former popes therefore could not possibly have been “infallible”. Limbo, for example, was touted by pope after pope as a place where un-baptized babies who die go, until Pope Benedict XVI just eradicated it (or, more accurately, so watered it down as effectively eradicate it in a face saving way). Seems all those earlier “infallible” Popes were wrong – as they were on Adam and Eve v. evolution, heliocentricity v. egocentricity, and a host of other issues that required an amendment of official Church doctrine. You also ignore the innumerable murders, rampant corruption and other crimes committed over the centuries by your “infallible”, god-conversing popes.
    2. You reject the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. You are blissfully (or intentionally) blind to the fact, that had you been born in another part of the World, you would be defending the local god(s) and disdaining the incorrectness of Catholic beliefs.
    3. You begrudgingly accept evolution (about a century after Darwin proved it and after accepting Genesis as literally true for about 2,000 years) and that Adam and Eve was totally made up, but then conveniently ignore that fact that your justification for Jesus dying on the cross (to save us from Original Sin) has therefore been eviscerated. Official Church literature still dictates a belief in this nonsense.
    4. You disdain native beliefs as “polytheist” and somehow “inferior” but cannot explain (i) why being polytheistic is any sillier than being monotheistic. Once you make the quantum leap into Wonderland by believing in sky-fairies, what difference does if make if you believe in one or many?; nor (ii) why Christians believe they are monotheistic, given that they believe in god, the devil, guardian angels, the holy spirit, Jesus, many demons in hell, the Virgin Mary, the angel Gabriel, thousands of saints, all of whom apparently make Earthly appearances periodically, and all of whom inhabit their life-after-death lands with magic-sacred powers of some kind.
    5. You bemoan the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don`t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees or the 3,000 Israelites killed by Moses for worshipping the golden calf (or the dozen or so other slaughters condoned by the bible). You also like to look to god to for guidance in raising your children, ignoring the fact that he drowned his own – according to your Bible.
    6. You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that God impregnated Mary with himself, to give birth to himself, so he could sacrifice himself to himself to “forgive” an ”Original Sin” that we now all know never happened.
    7. You disdain gays as sinners, but have no problem when Lot got drunk and committed father-daughter in.cest (twice) or offered his daughters to a mob to be gang ra.ped, or when Moses, time and again, offered his wife up for the “pleasures” of the Egyptians to save his own skin.
    8. You believe that your god will cause anyone who does not accept your Bronze Age stories to suffer a penalty an infinite times worse than the death penalty (burning forever in excruciating torture) simply because of their healthy skepticism, yet maintain that god “loves them”.
    9. You will totally reject any scientific breakthrough that is inconsistent with your established doctrine, unless and until it is so generally accepted as to back you into a corner. While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you of the deep inanity of your silly faith, some priest doing magic hand signals over bread and wine is enough to convince you it is thereby transformed into the flesh and blood of Jesus because of the priest’s magic powers (or “sacred powers” to the extent you see a difference).
    10. You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to Lourdes, Fátima and other magic places and prayers in general. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. The remaining 99.99% failure was simply “god moving in mysterious ways”. The fact that, if you ask for something repeatedly, over and over, year after year, sooner or later that thing is bound to happen anyway, has not even occurred to you. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
    11. You accept the stories in the Bible without question, despite not having the slightest idea of who actually wrote them, how credible these people were or how long the stories were written after the alleged events they record occurred. For example, it is impossible for Moses to have written the first five books of the Old Testament, as Catholics believe. For one, they record his death and events after his death. In fact, the chance of the Bible being historically accurate in any but the broadest terms is vanishingly small.
    Heavens, I could not fit them into ten. Maybe, if they pray hard enough to their sky-fairy, the Catholics can turn them into 10

    June 7, 2012 at 6:04 am |
    • No thanks

      not reading all that garbage

      June 7, 2012 at 6:31 am |
    • RFBJR

      Dude, you must be seriously bored. No woman, huh?

      June 7, 2012 at 7:48 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Great post. Any rebuttals from the religious? Refute it if there is any thing factually wrong. Oh there isn't? Crickets from the religious...pwnd. Religion is fvcking stupid.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • WASP

      @reality: you will recieve two kinds of responses to your post, hate mail from the religious and a pat on the back from their more logical counter parts........aka atheists.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:44 am |
    • Juggling Squirrel-Jesus

      Typical – those that have no rational response simply resort to ad hominem attacks. Sad and pathetic ... and not very Jesus-like.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:42 am |
  5. Jim

    April release from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the bishops call on "Congress and the Administration to protect essential help for poor families and vulnerable children and to put the poor first in budget priorities.”

    I thought this was the churches responsibility? Maybe if the catholic church would spend more money on the poor and not on pointy hats then maybe the government wouldnt have to.

    June 7, 2012 at 5:38 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      Your comment reminded me of the passage in John's Gospel –
      Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:03 am |
    • derp

      "I thought this was the churches responsibility?"

      Right now they are spending all of their cash managing pedo philes. They can't afford to help the poor.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:10 am |
  6. FREEDOM FRIES NOT FRENCH FAHGUT FRIES

    DID YOU ALL SEE THAT OCTOMOM IS GONNA GET POUNDED RIGHT IN THE POOPER AND THEY'RE GONNA TRY TO SELL IT? HAHAHAHAHA NO ONE WANTS TO SEE THAT TRASH CAN GETTING TOOTHPICKS THROWN INTO IT.

    June 7, 2012 at 5:34 am |
  7. WWJD

    ATHEISTS UNWITTINGLY OBEY AND WORSHIP SATAN WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT

    Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you stupid, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists causes problem in our religious society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    † † Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †

    ATHEISTS WILL BURN IN HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE WHERE THEY BELONG WHEN JESUS RAPTURES ALL CHRISTIANS AND THEN ARRIVES ON HIS WHITE HORSE AND SLAUGHTERS ALL ATHEISTS AND THEIR CHILDREN IN ARMAGEDDON WITHOUT ATHEISTS THERE WILL BE FINALLY PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND

    ATHEIST ARE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR PLANETS DRUG PROBLEMS AND CHILD SLAVE LABOR AND DESERVE TO HAVE THEIR SKIN BOILED OFF IN HELL FOR ALL OF ETERNITY

    June 7, 2012 at 2:28 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      KOO-KOO!!!

      June 7, 2012 at 3:37 am |
    • Jim

      Ill have to agree with you there Funky Booty

      June 7, 2012 at 5:34 am |
    • realityville

      Ten Reasons You Know you are an Atheist.
      1. You were likely brought up a theist (probably a Christian if you live in the USA) and had to do your own thinking to rise above the beliefs that still occupy the mind of the believer. This usually involved being smart and working hard at school and college so as to get a good, accurate view of the natural Universe and overcoming significant social pressure to dumb yourself down and conform. In short, you had the guts to ask the hard questions and the brains to spot the weak answers. The more you came to understand the Universe, the less reason there was to believe in a god and the more you came to appreciate human nature, the more you understood why billions of us still do.
      2. While rejecting the supernatural elements of the Bible, you nevertheless retain a large amount of the morality taught today by mainstream Christianity. To the extent you reject Christian morality, it is where it is mean spirited – such as in the way it seeks to curtail freedoms or oppose the rights of $exual minorities. In most other respects, your basic moral outlook is indistinguishable from that of the liberal Christian – you just don’t need the mother of all carrots and sticks hanging over your head in order to act in a manner that you consider moral.
      3. You know a great deal more about the Bible than most believers. This is because you took the time to read it yourself and did not rely on the primary-color simple stories you learned in Sunday school. You have also probably done some research into the historical Jesus and have a good handle on where he REALLY fit in to the broader picture of the Middle East at the time. Needless to say, his miracles and other magic powers soon started to look pretty unlikely.
      4. Your knowledge of basic science and history is much stronger than that of your average believer. You likely have a basic working knowledge of physics, astronomy, evolutionary biology and cosmology and a good idea of the history of life on this planet. This acc.umulated knowledge puts you in a position to judge the claims of the Bible in a critical light and they are almost always found wanting. To the theist, this makes you “elitist” and ‘arrogant”.
      5. You relish your role as a religious minority in the USA, as this gives you an impetus to fight and you understand how others with unpopular, but doubtlessly correct views have felt throughout history. There is something altogether satisfying to you about having a deep conviction you are right and being viewed with disdain for your views by the errant majority. You feel a quiet confidence that future generations will look back on you as a member of a class of trailblazers, as religious supersti.tions go into inevitable decline in popularity.
      6. You are likely more environmentally aware than your theist friends and colleagues and unlikely to fall for claims of industry and wind-bag politicians concerning the impact of man’s activities on the environment. You could no more act in an environmentally irresponsible manner because “god will keep us safe” than you could jump of a ship, believing King Neptune will keep you safe.
      7. You generally have a live and let live atti.tude, but will fiercely defend any attempts by theists to thrust their views on you or your children, directly or through control of school boards, the legislature or the executive. While you are prepared to debate and argue passionately with the theist on an intellectual level, you would never wish them harm or ill will. You know you are likely to be smugly told you will “burn in hell for all eternity” for your healthy skepticism. This highlights what you despise about religion, as you would not wish a bad sunburn on another, simply because they have a different religious view to you. You have never heard of an evolutionary biologist strapping a bomb to himself and running into a church yelling “Darwin-u akbar”.
      8. You likely know more about other religions than your average theist. This makes you less fearful of them and enables you to see parallels. You realize that, if you were born in India, you would have been brought up with a totally different religion. You realize that every culture that has ever existed has had its own god(s) and they always favor that particular culture, its hopes, dreams and prejudices. They cannot all exist and you see the error all faiths make of thinking only theirs exist(s). This “rising above” the regional nature of all religions was probably instrumental in your achieving atheism.
      9. You likely have a deep, genuine appreciation of the fathomless beauty and unbelievable complexity of our Universe, from the 4 nucleotides that orchestrate every aspect of you, through to the distant quasars, without having to think it was all made for you. You likely get more out of being the irrelevant ant staring up at the cosmos than you do in having to pretend that it was all made to turn in majestic black-and-white pirouette about you.
      10. While you have a survival instinct, you cannot fear death in the way the theist does. You know that the whole final judgment story, where you may be sent to hell if you fail, is Dark Ages nonsense meant to keep the Church’s authority. You also know that you were dead for 13,700,000,000 years before you were born. It is impossible for you to fear death, for the simple reason that you know the capacity to fear (or to feel pain or discomfort) itself dies. You will not even know you are dead. Fear of death is as meaningless to you as is the fear of a vacuum, the fear of not being born. You feel a lot more secure, and indeed a deep comfort, in this knowledge, than you would in trying to yoke yourself to some quasi-hope that every part of your intellect tells you is untenable.

      June 7, 2012 at 6:06 am |
    • WASP

      @wwjd/unhealthy/george/ etc etc etc: nice to see you are still using that stolen text from an atheist.......just one minor flaw, his read that about religious people. i would love to go point for point with you but that would be a waste of time seeing all your points can easily be debunked as each atheist on here has done multiple times. now you may go back to your praying that atheists would go away, hasn't ever worked and never will because prayer changes nothing.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:34 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      WWJD? Not act like a dbag and post hate filled rants that are factually untrue....

      Oh and once again "realityville" has nailed religion yo the wall as a huge fvcking farce. Refute anything in his post religious believers. you won't because you can't.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Juggling Squirrel-Jesus

      I would argue that the original post is a Poe, but it seems so overtly sarcastic that I don't even think that classification fits – though I suppose it does validate Poe's law, given the responses.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:48 am |
    • JustaNormalPerson

      WWJD, I assume the initials stand for "What would Jesus Do?". If so, then maybe you actually need to read the teachings of Christ. Your diatribe is full of bigotry and hate. This is the opposite of the teachings of Christ. However it is reminiscient of the Pharisees. They were the persecutors of Christ.

      June 7, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • Shadowflash1522

      I dunno, Jesus didn't seem like the white-horse-and-slaughtering type...might get his white dress dirty.

      And it's Hell, not Hell's Kitchen. Skins boiled off indeed...

      June 7, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
  8. Burning Whizzer

    Nuns. Ugh. Gross.

    June 7, 2012 at 1:30 am |
  9. StandupforTruth

    For all practical purposes, Europe is secular. Ist it thriving? The economy sucks, Greece is in the news every 6 months. Are people happier? No some mentally unstable video game playing fool could not decifer graphics display of a television with the world and slaughters 77 people, such promising indicators of secular freedom. Progress?

    June 7, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      actually, it's not as universal as you're making it out. the european countries differ greatly religiously and economically. the most secular countries in europe are the happiest and generally doing the best. the ones that are doing worst are the most religious. for instance, stats show that over 80% of greeks are religious. so what you're saying is exactly opposite - the least religious countries in europe are doing the best - the most religious countries are doing the worst.

      for instance, Denmark is rated the happiest country in the world - and only 30% of the people there are religious.
      #2 is finland, at 41% religious
      #3 is norway, at 32% religious
      #4 is netherlands, at 34% religious

      so it seems the less religious the european country, the happier they are.

      June 7, 2012 at 1:35 am |
    • Jim

      Huh and all countrys that are known for there animal s.e.x videos. interesting!

      June 7, 2012 at 5:40 am |
    • Later Dude

      @ bootyfunk – So when you leaving, homeboy?

      June 7, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      But Europe is the model continent of Secular prosperity right?

      June 7, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      "Denmark is rated the happiest country in the world – and only 30% of the people there are religious.
      #2 is finland, at 41% religious
      #3 is norway, at 32% religious"
      So if Denmark rises just 2% it is capable of breeding mass murderers? If every atheist kills 77 people something will stink in Denmark.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:08 am |
    • WASP

      @stand: people have been blaming everything from rap music to video games for their violence since......well forever. tv refused to show elvis from his waist down because they believed elvis' dancing would cause people to act differently. it's always been an excuse for the weak minded.

      greece isn't happy due to corrupt policiticians running the country into the ground, then having to take away from their citizens to make up for their mistakes and greed. so now it's not the fact they are secular like america is, it's the fact that their corruption caught up to them.......kindof like it did in the vatican.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      @ WASP
      it's always been an excuse for the weak minded.
      kind of like-
      all priests are pedophiles
      The Vatican oppresses women
      Catholicism is antiquated
      God doesn't exist

      June 7, 2012 at 9:29 am |
    • Jen

      Canada is a happier country than the US and is secular and allows gay marriage. It's economy is also much better than that of the US and the average Canadian makes more money and lives longer than the average American.

      Oh let me guess what your reply is. There's a killer from Montreal in the headlines right now. So that must mean Canada is full of evil atheists. So by that token, the average American is exactly like Timothy McVey or Jeffrey Dahmer.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:36 am |
    • Jen

      While not every priest is a pedophile, there is no QUESTION that the Vatican and the Catholic religion oppresses women. Women's inferiority is pretty clearly stated in the bible. If you don't think that women are oppressed by Christianity than you are the stupidest person on the planet.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • WASP

      @Stand:
      "it's always been an excuse for the weak minded.
      kind of like-
      all priests are pedophiles
      The Vatican oppresses women
      Catholicism is antiquated
      God doesn't exist
      June 7, 2012 at 9:29 am"

      one never grouped all catholic etc etc etc into a single group.
      yes your torah, bible/ koran speaks lowly of females even refering to them as property.
      i love this one from you "God doesn't exist" implying that having a logical outlook on how the world is around us and seeing no god of any kind present is weak minded? i love it, it's easier to just say "god did it" then do nothing at all........because if god did everything and when you die your going to be with your god then why really care what happens to your children or anyone you will leave behind on earth; why care if your grandchildren grow up in a toxic mess because eventually your own personal maid will come swooping in and clean up after you. ROFLMFAO! sure that takes so much more thought than to invent a microscope to examine particules you can't see with the eye alone......or inventing the cure for small pox that was killing millions, so yeah you just sit and wait for your god thinking he is coming to save you.
      wanna know they first lesson in surviving a catastorphy?................save yourself!

      June 7, 2012 at 10:07 am |
    • derp

      "But Europe is the model continent of Secular prosperity right?"

      Actually yes.

      Look at where the problems are economically in Europe.

      Italy, Catholic
      Spain, Catholic
      Ireland, Catholic
      Portugal, Catholic
      Greece, Primarily Greek orthodox.

      The most religious countries in Europe are the countries with economic problems. The more secular countries in Europe are doing just fine.

      So yes, secular Europe is the model of prosperity. Religious Europe is the model for failed economic policy.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:17 am |
  10. Bootyfunk

    "to reveal “how federal budget cuts proposed by Rep. Paul Ryan, (R-WI), and passed by the House of Representatives will hurt struggling families in these states"

    news flash: he's a republican - of course he doesn't care about struggling families

    June 7, 2012 at 12:55 am |
  11. why?

    In a similar case which stinks of the Bible story of God telling Abraham to kill his son, Deanna Laney murdered two of her little boys by stoning them to death and then severely handicapped her third little boy. She did this because she thought God wanted her to do it to "prove her complete and unconditional faith in Him." Of course, God never told Abraham or Mrs. Laney or anyone else to murder their children! THE BIBLE IS WRONG!!! Our God-given reason tells us that the Bible is wrong! Unfortunately, the billions of people who are currently suffering from "revealed" religion put the teachings of the men who wrote the Bible and the men who voted it to be the word of God.

    PLEASE PEOPLE, USE THE GOD GIVEN GIFT OF REASON!!
    HE GAVE YOU THIS GIFT, USE IT!!
    LET GO OF THE "MAN WRITTEN" BIBLE!!
    WAKE UP FROM THE ZOMBIE STATE THAT RELIGION HAS PUT YOU IN!!

    STOP BEING A ZOMBIE!!

    June 7, 2012 at 12:28 am |
    • Jim

      Brains!!!!! Get some dude and then use it for something else other than smoking weed and concocting up hate filled rehtoric. If you say it a thousand times and it wrong saying it 1001 times wont make it right.

      June 7, 2012 at 5:43 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Weed is awesome. Religion sucks.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:41 am |
    • Case closed!

      and if you think if indeed the bible was inspired by God and written by humans,if was never meant to be proven.The meaning of faith has always been the meaning of it..You can't change it because you hate it or even reject the idea but in order to literally be a Christian one must believe and accept Christ.

      Don't you know anything about Christianity or do you just lump all religions together?

      Which one is right? Why MUST it be right? Fearing the death eh?

      People spout crap out all the time..and you believe them?!

      "Goddidit" why does that tick off atheists when it's not about you?

      There is a word for that..control freak

      June 7, 2012 at 11:12 am |
  12. why?

    Mental health is a very important and required element for a productive, progressive and happy life. The false claims made by the various "revealed" religions, especially when introduced at an early age, cause much mental anguish and pain to individuals which then has a great potential to have a negative effect on society in general. For example, the case of Andrea Yates who murdered her five little children because she thought Satan had possessed her and was soon going to possess her children. In her twisted Bible based mind, if she murdered her children before "the age of accountability" they would all go to heaven. She thought she'd be executed for the murders and Satan would die with her.

    Just like suicide bombers, she believed she was doing the work of god, and her children paid the ultimate price! Religion has such a powerful brainwashing on people that they can't escape the religious prison they are in. So they commit these heinous crimes, in the name of GOD! And church leaders share any of this blame!!

    WHY???

    If I promised someone $10 to murder someone, and they did. I would be tried for master minding a murder.. Yet these churches do exactly this, and never have to pay the price for their crime!

    AGAIN I ASK YOU, WHY???

    June 7, 2012 at 12:17 am |
  13. Reality

    Nuns and taxpayers of the USA,

    Time to get to the nitty gritty of paying our bills and one road that is easily traveled-

    How much money would the following save the US taxpayers ?: And how many “souls” would be saved?

    Saving 1.5 billion lost Muslims:
    There never were and never will be any angels i.e. no Gabriel, no Islam and therefore no more koranic-driven acts of horror and terror LIKE 9/11.

    – One trillion dollars over the next several years as the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan will end.

    – Eighteen billion dollars/yr to Pakistan will stop.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Egypt will end.

    Saving 2 billion lost Christians including the Mormons:
    There were never any bodily resurrections and there will never be any bodily resurrections i.e. No Easter, no Christianity!!!

    – The Mormon empire will now become taxable as will all Christian "religions" and evangelical non-profits since there is no longer any claim to being a tax-exempt religion.

    – Saving 15.5 million Orthodox followers of Judaism:
    Abraham and Moses never existed.

    – Four billion dollars/yr to Israel saved.

    – All Jewish sects and non-profits will no longer be tax exempt.

    Now all we need to do is convince these 3.5+ billion global and local citizens that they have been conned all these centuries Time for a YouTube,Twitter and FaceBook campaign-The Taxpayer Spring akin to the Arab Spring

    BOTTOM LINE: SAID SAVINGS WOULD PAY FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE and would put a big dent in the federal budget deficit.

    June 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  14. Wrath of Anubus

    Zeus pre dates the Christian god and has more written about him. He must have been real. He is the true god. Prove that he is not. You can't. Point made.

    June 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • StandupforTruth

      Because Zeus is not Love, YAHWEH is Love. And.......Hercules was not crucified. Oh and by the way, since you are into paganisim or are inspired by egyptian idols, it is Anubis. Go figure, the Christian is educated enough to see that your handle is misspelled.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:52 am |
    • Bootyfunk

      yahweh is love? lol. he kills children. that's not love. that's evil.

      June 7, 2012 at 1:03 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      What if those children went to their great reward?

      June 7, 2012 at 1:06 am |
    • Answer

      ===quote
      StandupforTruth

      What if those children went to their great reward?

      ==end quote

      I don't see you dying and going to your great reward. Damn liar.
      Why don't you off yourself and tell us really if there is that reward. lol

      June 7, 2012 at 2:02 am |
    • StandupforTruth

      "I don't see you dying and going to your great reward."
      Am I condemned to walk this world forever? sounds like someone has been watching the Twilight Series

      But we are all dying every day because we live according to the flesh.

      The beauty of God is that ultimately he will give you what you want, choose love or choose perdition.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:13 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Standupfortruth
      On December 25th, long long ago, a child was born unto a virgin.
      Following a star shining in the east, 3 great kings of far off lands came to adorn the child with gifts to recognize his holiness.
      By the age of 12, the child was teaching learned men valuable lessons.
      By the age of 30, He had 12 disciples with whom he travelled the land performing miracles and spread the word of His ministry.
      Alas, He was betrayed to his enemies and crucified.
      Upon His death, he was buried for three days – but miraculously rose from the dead!
      The child was known by many names, including The Truth, The Light and God's Shephard.
      His name was Horus.

      June 7, 2012 at 9:49 am |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Did Zeus impregnate a human woman? Oh he did, long before "Yahweh" did. Sounds like "Yahweh" stole his story from other gods....

      June 7, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • WASP

      @stand:"StandupforTruth
      What if those children went to their great reward?
      June 7, 2012 at 1:06 am"

      really? how ignorant can you be? "great reward?" seriously? proof that the ignorant can find an excuse for everything..........kindof how a child has an answer for everything when the lamp "mysteriously falls" all by itself.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:23 am |
  15. ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

    one church does not mean all agree .. diversity is no threat to those who are not threatend by it

    June 6, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • StandupforTruth

      Diversity is beautiful, in the Catholic faith we have Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Barnabites, Diocesan, Carmelites, Jesuits.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:54 am |
    • sam stone

      "Diversity is beautiful, in the Catholic faith we have Franciscans, Dominicans, Benedictines, Barnabites, Diocesan, Carmelites, Jesuits."

      Altar boy boinkers, pedophile hiders......

      June 7, 2012 at 10:13 am |
  16. Dave Dawson

    Dear Lord, it's lookin' GLORIOUS.
    The Lord has delivered me.
    What has the Lord done for you?
    Please feel free to reply.
    Regards,

    June 6, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
    • Born Again

      Jesus detailed the inside of my car yesterday...at least when I tipped him I saw that his name tag said he was Jesus, so I believe it.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • StandupforTruth

      The Lord blesses me with every new morning, he surrounds me with a beautiful view of the mountains, clean air, and beautiful people who also live in faith, hope and love. He has softened my heart.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:56 am |
    • Burning Whizzer

      Nothing. I do everything for myself. It's amazing what you can do when you aren't relying on an imaginary friend to give you everything.

      June 7, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • RFBJR

      He has saved me Dave. I am no longer a slave to sin and death. Thank you, Jesus.

      June 7, 2012 at 7:55 am |
    • No God

      You will always be a slave to death Dave.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • derp

      "What has the Lord done for you?"

      He blew me.

      That's why I shouted OH GOD!! as I came

      June 7, 2012 at 10:22 am |
    • JustaNormalPerson

      The lord delivered me a pizza.

      June 7, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  17. Wrong!

    There is a God!

    Case closed!

    See how I can act like an atheist saying what's wrong or not without evidence?

    Case closed!

    June 6, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Prove there's a god. If you want to assert something as truth, then you need the evidence.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Wrong!

      And if I can't you'll still deny it?

      No matter what you can't change it because you hate it or can't accept it

      June 6, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Without evidence there's no reason to think it's true, that's just plain illogical.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • Case closed!

      What kind of evidence?

      You'll deny any evidence anyways.There's seriously no point in asking for evidence

      June 6, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      It's not up to me to come up with a type of evidence. If you can't back up your claim with anything other than "bible said" then just go home, you're not worth my time to refute.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:30 pm |
    • Case closed!

      You still ignored what type of evidence.

      How typical

      June 6, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Evidence that is independentally confirmable and repeatable, in other words, scientific evidence you dolt.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:34 pm |
    • Case closed!

      That's funny because people from all over the planet have found evidence just not what your looking for.

      Source? Look it up yourself.For once in your life actually research something instead of leaving it to the other person that you dont know.How sad that you cling to the internet as your source of faith and hope that someone has want you want..Buddy this is not real life.Get off your lazy butt and do this yourself

      June 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Case closed!

      and don't say "you claim it you prove it".This goes way beyond that.

      You want YOU find it

      June 6, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Oooo ad hominem attacks how original.
      Anecdotal evidence may be good enough for someone else to believe, but that's only them and does absolutely nothing to convince me.
      Why should I do the work of someone making the actual claim? Seems like you're the one who's lazy, that or you know that there is no actual scientific evidence of your god, anymore than there is evidence for pixies, fairies, unicorns, elves, and all manner of other supernatural claims.

      June 6, 2012 at 8:43 pm |
    • Drew

      Case closed, no one denies that humans are susceptible to seeing gods (whether they are there or not). However, they also seem susceptible to seeing all different sorts of gods; what makes Christ any more likely that Zeus? have you gone out of your way to look for/disprove zeus?

      June 6, 2012 at 8:44 pm |
    • Case closed!

      and what if I have my own evidence frk my own life?You disregard anything.

      Me lazy? Says the person who leaves the issue to other people.

      You want it,you find it.You want it do badly,GET IT YOURSELF

      June 6, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      I could care less whether there is actually a god or not, because that doesn't mean I'd worship that god. If people want to make a claim, then why should I go and look for the evidence that they should be providing?

      June 6, 2012 at 8:55 pm |
    • Case closed!

      yet people actually have?!

      Just you can't prove God not present evidence.i shall quote what God says "No one shall see my face and live".

      We should prove it? You don't know what Christianity is all about.

      Get more educated and than come back

      June 6, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • Drew

      Maybe you should explain to me why Christianity is anymore likely than any other religion. What makes its claims more valid than those made by Islam or Hinduism or ancient Norse mythology?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:04 pm |
    • Case closed!

      what makes Christianity to atheists the most to demand for? That's the real question

      June 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Drew

      No atheist would say that it does (I am an agnostic, btw). But what makes your religion any more valid?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:07 pm |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Wrong! is wrong Zeus is the one true god. Do some real research for once in your life. Zeus has been a god long before Jesus or the Abraham god or Allah. Zeus is the true for of gods. Prove other wise, oh you can't? Yep Zeus muthafuuukas, Zeus. Proof of Zeus can be found all over ancient Greece so he he must have been real and he pre dates Christian god. That's a fact.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • Case closed!

      you want proof? Most nonbelievers across the planet typically want evidence of just God, the Christian.Why not demand evidence for Allah or any other religion?

      I never said mines "better".What makes atheism and agnosticism so much better for mankind?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Drew

      Right off the bat, there would be FAR less hom ophobia in the world if everyone were agnostic

      June 6, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • Case closed!

      And yet people would still try to find something to hate about one another.

      Try harder than that

      June 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • Drew

      I think you are quite possibly right. We have never, however, had a period of history when most people were atheist or agnostic, so we can't know. I'd also claim more broadly that religion tends to discourage critical thinking, which is actually VERY harmful. Critical thinking allows us to recognize each other's humanity, to have empathy for one another and to recognize the wisdom of the golden rule. Critical thinking is what actually would make someone behave like Jesus, but unfortunately organized religion discourages it.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:19 pm |
    • Born Again

      @Case closed! –

      Reason is a far better rudder that superst.ition.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • Case closed!

      check the number of mass genocides atheistic leaders killed combined during ww2

      It's the largest number of killings/genocide in the history of mankind.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • Drew

      1) Hitler believed he was serving god. Read Mein Kampf
      2) In recorded history. We know from texts like the old testament that genocides were common in the ancient world, indeed more common than in the modern world

      June 6, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
    • Case closed!

      I never said Hitler.I said ONLY the atheistic leaders.besides ALL atheistic leaders hated religion and banned it from their own country

      Can you read at all?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Drew

      I made an assumption about your argument that may have been unwarranted. Would you care to address my other points, however? Genocide is actually advocated in the old testament, which leads us to believe that in the ancient world genocide was common and considered acceptable.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
    • Case closed!

      Why is Hitler the main focus? His targets were mostly Jews yet Stalin Mao and other atheistic leaders killed more people than any generation? They followed their hearts desire,and did not do it in the name of religion.

      All the leader who boldly claimed to be atheist seriously killed the most,more so then religion

      Stop denying it

      June 6, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Drew

      Organized religion is probably still responsible for more deaths over the course of history, considering the inquisition, the crusades, european religious wars (like the devastating 30 years war), etc.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Case closed!

      no duh! Of course It was..just like stoning etc.When Jesus came,all the old Jewish laws(those who were early followers of Jesus) were no longer needed.

      Different time period NOTHING has changed and not even atheism can erase that

      June 6, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      But did they do it in the name of atheism, or merely for their own cosolodation of power and control?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • Drew

      Right, instead christians just got really into burning at the stake. Consider this: in the dark ages, the church was involved at all levels of society. By the enlightenment, secularism had emerged, and the world was a better place. IN which era would you rather live?

      June 6, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Case closed!

      They killed because they could..more proof it not religion

      More proof atheists deny so much about the humans and our nature

      The "good people" excuse card only lasts for so long until..you see people and what they can do

      June 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Drew

      I think you religious people sell humanism and secularism short. It was only during the renaissance when these two forces emerged that very many people even began to act and think like christ

      June 6, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Case closed!

      If religion is fake,than you MUST blame people not religion

      June 6, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • Wrath of Anubus

      Fvck you! Zeus is the only god worth worship. All other god are pansies.

      June 6, 2012 at 9:53 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Logic 101 : No one can prove a negative. THAT case is closed.

      June 6, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Most nonbelievers across the planet typically want evidence of just God, the Christian.Why not demand evidence for Allah or any other religion?

      Wrong. All gods are equally ridiculous. Allah, (the moon-god), is just as stupid as Yahweh.

      June 6, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • Reality

      Summarizing with a prayer:

      The Apostles' Creed 2012: (updated by yours truly and based on the studies of historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

      Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
      and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
      human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven??

      I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
      preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
      named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
      girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

      Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
      the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

      He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
      a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
      Jerusalem.

      Said Jesus' story was embellished and "mythicized" by
      many semi-fiction writers. A descent into Hell, a bodily resurrection
      and ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
      Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
      grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
      and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
      called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

      Amen
      (references used are available upon request)

      June 6, 2012 at 11:44 pm |
    • mickey1313

      The difference is in the evidence. Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. You cannot prove a negative. It is not the non believers that new to prove anything. It is up to thiests to prove there delusions are real. In the history of man kind not a single shred of evidence has been put forth for any form of non physical anything, none. If I'm wrong, please site an example

      June 7, 2012 at 1:41 am |
    • Case closed!

      Ahhh that lame excuse.YOU believe there is no God(one God we are speaking about) leaving out other forms of gods.Typically you dont treat all religions as equal,you cant because a life of a Jew is different than a Muslim.

      Don't lie to yourself.Its not healthly.Why do atheists only want proof from Christians? No proof from Muslims,or how about the sea god? You don't treat religion equal,you demand proof of what you know in your heart exists.Otherwise you can't jusify why you only want proof from Christians.

      It's a game of denial and selfishness.You brainwash yourself in lies "logic" and most of all the "I'm a better person than ANYONE else".

      If you're so great,why don't you do this yourself? Better than faith? You are beyond the concept of faith?

      I don't need to proof anything to a bunch of people who treat others like crap,make up lies about them and preach false ideas about a religion that they barely know more about then 4 grader in Sunday school

      You act like children,but claim logic and science you follow..No scientist demands they be proven.They do it because it's their job or they love to do it.They do it willingly.

      You wont do it willingly.Stop being a spoiled brat,book up a book,and start searching for that evidence.

      How about that for once in your life?

      June 7, 2012 at 6:21 am |
    • Reality

      Putting the kibosh/”google” on all religions:

      • There was probably no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

      • There was probably no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

      prob•a•bly
      Adverb: Almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.

      • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

      • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

      • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

      • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

      • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

      Added details available upon written request.

      A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

      e.g. Taoism

      "The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

      Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother's womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. "

      June 7, 2012 at 7:53 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Case Closed
      Communist leaders like Pol Pot and Stalin would not have been charismatic enough to gain converts had they not learned the discourse of dogmatic persuasion from religious inst/itutions.
      Pol Pot spent 8 years at a Catholic school in Phnom Penh and Stalin 5 years at a Russian orthodox seminary. Historians have noted their speaking and writing styles ape those of the Church in being 'declamatory and repet.itive, with liturgical overtones”.
      While they both sought to eliminate traditional religions from their kingdoms, they did so in order to divert the common man’s fervour to their own cults of personality.
      As Karl Marx himself noted “Atheism as a denial of this unreality; has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a denial of God and tries to assert through this negation the existence of man; but socialism as such no longer needs this mediation...”
      Hitler’s Third Reich, on the other hand, was no friend to atheists and encouraged religion in Germany. Having been exposed to religious methods of persuasion in school at a Benedictine cloister, Hitler recognized religion’s power to keep the people compliant.
      Each of these leaders wielded their people’s predilection for faith like a weapon. Atheism is not the prime cause for these tragic regimes – the misdirection of faith is.
      Like religion, they demanded blind obedience and obsequious submission from their followers. They tolerated no free-thinkers and enforced dogmatism – a trick they learned from their religious educations.

      Atheists tend to go after the Abrahamic God because those relgiions are the most prevalent, with Christianity exerting vast influence in the United States.
      We can debate the exitence of God until the Rapture (which some Xtians say will be ANY DAY NOW!), but can you really refute the fact that f the One True Deity, shaper of The Universe, wishes their words to be transmitted and adhered to, they should have been a bit less ambiguous. Expecting people to select The Truth out of limitless possibilities on faith alone seems a sloppy way to run things – especially if the punishment for a wrong choice is eternal torment.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • derp

      "Yep Zeus muthafuuukas, Zeus"

      Zzzzeeeeuuuuusssss!!!!!!!!

      Beeeyoches!!!!!

      June 7, 2012 at 10:30 am |
    • tallulah13

      Which god, "wrong"?

      Humans have worshiped literally thousands of them. Most have been forgotten, replaced or rejected as scientific evidence explained away the natural phenomena formerly attributed to the supernatural. The truth be told, there isn't a shred of hard, verifiable evidence to support the existence of any god, even the christian god, or the much older Hindu gods.

      You want to believe in a god, fine. But don't claim proof when you don't have any.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • Case closed!

      which god? When making it capital "G" it becomes God,the God of the bible.You claim to be so educated but cannot tell this? With the captial G it becomes VERY clear which god you are referring to.Dont play dumb.

      And most atheists deny the existence of God not Jesus which is the most important part of the Christian faith?

      You also claim.The claim is..we are just random pieces of nothing..but have no evidence to prove the human race was just created for no reason?

      You believe the same as a religious person except you make yourself a god

      June 7, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Case Closed
      There are so many folk who are certain that their God, their church and their interpretation of their holy book is the One Truth... what unmitigated arrogance!

      Who are you to say that Angus, Belenos, Brigid, dana, Lugh, Dagda, Epona, Aphrodite, Apollo, Ares, Artemis, Atehna, Demeter, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Gaia, Hades, Hekate, Helios, Hephaestus, Hera, hermes, Hestia, Pan, Poseidon, Selene, Uranus, Zeus, Mathilde, Elves, Eostre, Frigg, Hretha, Saxnot, Shef, Thuno, Tir, Weyland, Woden, Alfar, Balder, Beyla, Bil, Bragi, Byggvir, Dagr, Disir, Eir, Forseti, Freya, Freyr, Frigga, Heimdall, Hel, Hoenir, Idunn, Jord, Lofn, Loki, Mon, Njord, Norns, Nott, Odin, Ran, saga, Sif, Siofn, Skadi, Snotra, Sol, Syn, Ull, Thor, Tyr, Var, Vali, Vidar, Vor, Black Shuck, Herne, Jack in the Green, Holda, Nehalennia, Nerthus, endovelicus, Ataegina, Runesocesius, Apollo, Bacchus, Ceres, Cupid, Diana, Janus, Juno, Jupiter, Maia, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Neptune, Pluto, Plutus, Proserpina, Venus, Vesta, Vulcan, Attis, Cybele, El-Gabal, Isis, Mithras, Sol Invictus, Endovelicus, Anubis, Aten, Atum, Bast, Bes, Geb, Hapi, Hathor, Heget, Horus, Imhotep, Isis, Khepry, Khnum, Maahes, Ma’at, Menhit, Mont, Naunet, Neith, Nephthys, Nut, Osiris, Ptah, ra, Sekhmnet, Sobek, Set, Tefnut, Thoth, An, Anshar, Anu, Apsu, Ashur, Damkina, Ea, Enki, Enlil, Ereshkigal, Nunurta, Hadad, Inanna, Ishtar, Kingu, Kishar, Marduk, Mummu, Nabu, Nammu, Nanna, Nergal, Ninhursag, Ninlil, Nintu, Shamash, Sin, Tiamat, Utu, Mitra, Amaterasu, Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Inari, Tengu, Izanami, Izanagi, Daikoku, Ebisu, Benzaiten, Bishamonten, Fu.kurokuju, Jurojin, Hotei, Quetzalcoatl, Tlaloc, Inti, Kon, Mama Cocha, Mama Quilla, Manco Capac, Pachacamac, Viracoc.ha, or Zaramama aren't true gods?
      How can the Tanakh, Talmud, Midrash, New Testament, Quran, Sunnah, Nahjul Balagha, Avesta, Vedas, Upanisahds, Bhagavad Gita, Puranas, Tantras, Sutras, Vachanas, Adi Granth, Purvas, Samayasara, Niyamasara, Pravacanasara, and Pancastikaya; Anupreksa; Samadhishataka of Pujyapada; Tattvarthasutra of Umasvati, Tattvarthasutra, Pali Tripitaka, Jataka,, Visuddimagga, Tripitaka, Lotus Sutra, Garland Sutra, Analects; the Great Learning; the Doctrine of the Mean; the Mencius, Tao Te Ching, Chuang-tzu, Kojiki, Nihon Shoki, K-oki, Ofudesaki, Mikagura-uta, Michi-no-Shiori, Johrei, Goseigen, Netarean Shower of Holy Doctrines, Chun Boo Kyung, Kitab-i-Iqan, Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, Book of Mormon, Dianetics, or Revelation X be dismissed as Holy Books since they all claim to be The Truth?
      As a Bible adherent, how do you know whether Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, oriental Orthodox, As.syrian, Byzantine, Lutheran, Anglican, Presbyterian, Anabaptism, Brethren, Methodist, Pietism, Apostolic, Pentocostal, Charismatic, African Initiated, United, Quakers, Couthcotti.tism, Millerism, British-Isrealism, Latter Day Saints, Mennonite, 7th day Adventism, Kelleyism, Co.oneyism, Shakers, Methernitha, Strigolniki, Yehowism, Christadelphians, Christian Science, doukhobors, Iglesia ni Cristo, Makuya, Molokans, Subbotniks, Ebionism, Martinism, Rosicrucians, Rastafarianism, Santo Daime, or Umbanda is the REAL interpretation of your God's words?

      June 7, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Case closed!

      and you claim to know the way due to the fact of "Oh I'm a good person"

      Tell me that when your true human nature lashes out..

      You claim but you ignore that claim and go after someone else's

      Why Christians? "oh it's popular"..to me that is a lame and a sad excuse

      June 7, 2012 at 11:00 am |
    • Case closed!

      want to know why? They are feed what makes THEM happy..not even seriously reading the bible.You want to know what that's called? Religion..so many people created another version JUST do they could marry etc.We all know that's a false religion,but as humans we have a right to choose.

      You have the cure? No you don't.You don't have a single thing that will cure any bad thing from this planet.No one ever has.Without religion mankind will find something else to hate about

      Why must we choose for you? Lazy in searching or you just don't wanna do it? That isn't even a logical approach,that's childish and lazy

      I cannot choose anything for you and of you are so worried about being wrong...you are a very insecure person to begin with

      June 7, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • .

      "I cannot choose anything for you and of you are so worried about being wrong...you are a very insecure person to begin with"

      uh...your the insecure one based on your ranting on this thread. 😉 How's that log doing in your eye?

      June 7, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Case Closed
      I'm not asking you to choose for me.
      How am I the lazy one if I've explored all of these different faiths and Gods? You are fixated only on the religion that predominates your culture.
      The definition of Christian is to live your life in the image of Jesus Christ. Faith in miracles, divinity, resurrections, and other fantastical flourishes isn't required to live a life of pacifism, charity and humility.
      We are selfish creatures by nature, yet our survival depends on cooperation. In order to balance these two conflicting instincts, mankind has had to develop rules that allow room for both.
      These rules are not the same for all communities – hence we've had so many different types of religion and government throughout history.
      Religion binds communities together by giving a common frame of reference. Shared fears (like divine retribution), hopes (like going to heaven) and rituals allow the instinct for self preservation to extend beyond one's self and immediate family.
      This is why the great majority of evolutionary biologists find no conflict between religion and science – as long as religion is recognized solely as a social adaptation.

      Had you been indoctrinated in another society, you would just as steadfastly adhere to whatever religion dominated that culture. Faith is intellectual apathy. It is the willing cessation of rational inquiry in favour of dogmatic, rote answers to the grand questions of life.

      June 7, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Case closed!

      I have searched other religions.

      Don't act like you know me.Search for yourself

      June 7, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  18. T

    Some of those nuns need to use their nunja skills and use poisoned throwing crosses to take Ryan out.

    June 6, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  19. sam

    Can we get this made into a reality show?

    June 6, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • Drew

      American politics already is a reality show

      June 6, 2012 at 7:41 pm |
  20. StandupforTruth

    Nuns in accordance with the bishops. One Church

    June 6, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • Answer

      Definitely not.

      Let this farce be destroyed.

      June 6, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • ןןɐq ʎʞɔnq

      bishops in accordance with nuns. PROVE your way is the biblical way

      June 6, 2012 at 11:14 pm |
    • StandupforTruth

      Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted[a] by the devil. 2 After fasting forty days and forty nights, he was hungry. 3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”

      4 Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’[b]”

      5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. 6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

      “‘He will command his angels concerning you,
      and they will lift you up in their hands,
      so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”

      7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”

      8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9 “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.”

      10 Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’[e]”

      11 Then the devil left him, and angels came and attended him. Matthew 4

      June 7, 2012 at 1:04 am |
    • Iceman6161

      We confess that the Pope has the POWER OF CHANGING SCRIPTURE and of adding to it and taking from it, according to HIS will." Roman catholic confessons for Protestants Oath, Article XI, Now this is one of many that shows this religion has been molded into the RCC way. WHY are their only 4 gospels? Roman Emperor Irenaeus said that their are only 4 zones of the world, and 4 directions, and other things that add up to 4, it was rumored that their were more than 30 gospels and over 800 books followers of the way was reading before the councils of nicean.
      research!!!!!!

      June 7, 2012 at 4:41 am |
    • No God

      Quoting the bible is not proof or evidence. That the truth.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • derp

      "Harry potter isn't real"

      "Yes he is, is says so right in The Chamber of Secrets that Harry Potter is real and that Voldemort is evil and wants to kill him"

      "Uh, you realize that it makes absolutely no sense to use a Harry Potter book to prove the existence of harry Potter don't you?"

      "But it says right in my Harry Potter book that Harry Potter is real"

      June 7, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Juggling Squirrel-Jesus

      Yup, 'cause th echurch never changes its mind, does it? Evolution is a completely bogus and false theory ... except for when it's kinda sorta maybe true. And the sun revolves around the earth ... except for when it doesn't.

      June 7, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Topher

      derp ... aren't you a little old to be reading Harry Potter?

      June 7, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • No God

      Gopher
      aren't you a little too old to believe in myths, like gods, humans rising from te dead, talking burning bushes, etc...any story from the bible?

      June 7, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • derp

      "derp ... aren't you a little old to be reading Harry Potter?"

      Aren't you a little old to be reading the bible.

      June 8, 2012 at 9:21 am |
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