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June 12th, 2012
04:48 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Tuesday, June 12

By Laura Koran, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Justices deny review over students' religious messages in classroom
In what have become known as the "Jesus pencil" and "candy cane" cases, the Supreme Court refused Monday to consider appeals from the families of elementary school students over distribution of religious-themed gifts on campus. At issue was whether school officials can be sued for violating the First Amendment rights of what the students claimed was their "private, non-curricular speech based solely upon its religious viewpoint."

CNN: Creflo Dollar latest in long line of top pastors facing allegations of wrongdoing
Atlanta area megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar said on Sunday that he neither choked nor punched his 15-year-old daughter, as she claimed in a report to police on Friday.

CNN: 8 killed in Nigerian church blast, clashes
Three people died in clashes Sunday with police in Jos, Nigeria, hours after a car bomb killed five people during services at a church nearby. Angry crowds wielding makeshift clubs fought with police after chasing away security forces from the destroyed church. A man dragged part of a charred corpse through the street.

Enlightening Reads:

The New York Times: Aided by Orthodox, City’s Jewish Population Is Growing Again
After decades of decline, the Jewish population of New York City is growing again, increasing to nearly 1.1 million, fueled by the “explosive” growth of the Hasidic and other Orthodox communities, a new study has found. It is a trend that is challenging long-held notions about the group’s cultural identity and revealing widening gaps on politics, education, wealth and religious observance.

Religion News Service: Former USCIRF staffer charges Muslim bias
A former staffer of the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom has filed suit against the watchdog agency, saying that it rescinded a job offer because she is Muslim and had worked for a Muslim advocacy group.

The Wall Street Journal: Analysis: Dispute with US nuns began decades ago
A conflict that has entangled the Vatican, American bishops and the largest umbrella group for U.S. nuns may seem to have erupted suddenly, but it actually has its roots in decades-old disputes over Roman Catholic teaching.

Quote of the Day:

I don’t consider myself an evangelist at all. But I’m still like a pastor. I pastor people who come to me and pastor them where they are, I life-coach them. I’m pastoring more people now than I ever ministered to before in either of my congregations.

Jerry DeWitt told the Times-Picayune about his conversion from preacher to non-believer. DeWitt, who once preached in a highly religious Louisiana town, is now the executive director of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

Join the conversation…

CNN: Megachurch pastor Creflo Dollar on his daughter: 'She was not punched'
Telling thousands of parishioners that he should never have been arrested, Pastor Creflo Dollar said at his Sunday morning service he neither choked nor punched his 15-year-old daughter, as she claimed in a report to police. Dollar, senior pastor of World Changers Church International in suburban Atlanta, told congregants in the sprawling megachurch and listening at one of more than a dozen satellite churches that when the facts of the case come out, they will be "appalled."

- CNN's Laura Koran

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    June 14, 2012 at 9:11 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer doesn’t not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      June 15, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  2. Skeet Lord

    A few questions should help shed light on the relationship between religion and rational thought.

    The completely absurd theory that all 7,000,000,000 human beings are simultaneously being supervised 24 hours a day, every day of their lives by an immortal, invisible being for the purposes of reward or punishment in the “afterlife” comes from the field of:

    (a) Children’s fairytales;

    (b) Medieval mythology;

    (c) New age pseudo science; or

    (d) Christianity

    You are about 70% likely to believe the entire Universe began less than 10,000 years ago with only one man, one woman and a talking snake if you are a:

    (a) historian;

    (b) geologist;

    (c) NASA astronomer; or

    (d) Christian

    I honestly believe that, when I think silent thoughts like, “please god, help me pass my exam tomorrow,” some invisible being is reading my mind and will intervene and alter what would otherwise be the course of history in small ways to help me. I am

    (a) a delusional schizophrenic;

    (b) a naïve child, too young to know that that is silly

    (c) an ignorant farmer from Sudan who never had the benefit of even a fifth grade education; or

    (d) your average Christian

    I have convinced myself that gay $ex is a choice and not genetic, but then have no explanation as to why only gay people have ho.mo$exual urges. I am

    (a) A gifted psychologist

    (b) A well respected geneticist

    (c) A highly educated sociologist

    (d) A Christian with the remarkable ability to ignore inconvenient facts.

    Millions and millions of Catholics believe that bread and wine turns into the actual flesh and blood of a dead Jew from 2,000 years ago because:

    (a) there are obvious visible changes in the condiments after the Catholic priest does his hocus pocus;

    (b) tests have confirmed a divine presence in the bread and wine;

    (c) now and then their god shows up and confirms this story; or

    (d) their religious convictions tell them to blindly accept this completely fvcking absurd nonsense.

    I believe that an all powerful being, capable of creating the entire cosmos watches me have $ex to make sure I don’t do anything “naughty”. I am

    (a) A victim of child molestation

    (b) A r.ape victim trying to recover

    (c) A mental patient with paranoid delusions

    (d) A Christian

    The only discipline known to often cause people to kill others they have never met and/or to commit suicide in its furtherance is:

    (a) Architecture;

    (b) Philosophy;

    (c) Archeology; or

    (d) Religion

    What is it that most differentiates science and all other intellectual disciplines from religion:

    (a) Religion tells people not only what they should believe, but what they are morally obliged to believe on pain of divine retribution, whereas science, economics, medicine etc. has no “sacred cows” in terms of doctrine and go where the evidence leads them;

    (b) Religion can make a statement, such as “there is a composite god comprised of God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit”, and be totally immune from experimentation and challenge, whereas science can only make factual assertions when supported by considerable evidence;

    (c) Science and the scientific method is universal and consistent all over the World whereas religion is regional and a person’s religious conviction, no matter how deeply held, is clearly nothing more than an accident of birth; or

    (d) All of the above.

    If I am found wandering the streets flagellating myself, wading into a filth river, mutilating my child’s genitals or kneeling down in a church believing that a being is somehow reading my inner thoughts and prayers, I am likely driven by:

    (a) a deep psychiatric issue;

    (b) an irrational fear or phobia;

    (c) a severe mental degeneration caused by years of drug abuse; or

    (d) my religious belief.

    Who am I? I don’t pay any taxes. I never have. Any money my organization earns is tax free and my own salary is also tax free, at the federal, state and local level. Despite contributing nothing to society, but still enjoying all its benefits, I feel I have the right to tell others what to do. I am

    (a) A sleazy Wall Street banker

    (b) A mafia boss

    (c) A drug pusher; or

    (d) A Catholic Priest, Protestant Minister or Jewish Rabbi.

    What do the following authors all have in common – Jean Paul Sartre, Voltaire, Denis Diderot, Victor Hugo, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Immanuel Kant, David Hume, René Descartes, Francis Bacon, John Milton, John Locke, and Blaise Pascal:

    (a) They are among the most gifted writers the World has known;

    (b) They concentrated on opposing dogma and opening the human mind and spirit to the wonders of free thought and intellectual freedom;

    (c) They were intimidated by the Catholic Church and put on the Church’s list of prohibited authors; or

    (d) All of the above.

    The AIDS epidemic will kill tens of millions in poor African and South American countries before we defeat it. Condoms are an effective way to curtail its spread. As the Pope still has significant influence over the less educated masses in these parts of the World, he has exercised this power by:

    (a) Using some of the Vatican’s incomprehensible wealth to educate these vulnerable people on health family planning and condom use;

    (b) Supporting government programs that distribute condoms to high risk groups;

    (c) Using its myriad of churches in these regions to distribute condoms; or

    (d) Scaring people into NOT using condoms, based upon his disdainful and aloof view that it is better that a person die than go against the Vatican’s position on contraceptive use.

    June 13, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
  3. hippypoet

    for any and all believers of any god(s) who may or may not exist:

    we atheists need not prove the lack of existence of something that has no impact on our daily lives, however those that believe based purely on the idea of somethings existence is a bit disconcerting! Proof is the burden of those that believe. The real fact is that those who believe use the lack of proof to show how non believers can't show any proof of its non existence....circular agurments can be fun but i prefer ones that go places. Belief in god or any god type is nothing less then equal to that of children believing in santa – be good or else! Maybe that is what your believers problem is! – poor parental figures as children so you joined a cult who WHORships a make believe father ( who killed his son, btw)....not a very intelligent choice – but i guess i'd make pi$s poor choices too if i was taught to never lie all the while being lie too...that is gods way – don't lie but i can – double standard i believe is what its called! :) go preach love while hating on more then half the human species!

    June 12, 2012 at 10:11 pm |
  4. Kindness

    Kindness

    For you.
    A thought to consider without an ego response

    Accept Jesus christ as your lord and saviour. You never know how soon is too late. Transcend the worldly illusion of enslavement.
    The world denounces truth....

    Accepting Jesus Christ (for me) resulted in something like seeng a new colour. You will see it .....but will not be able to clearly explain it to anyone else..... Its meant to be that way to transend any selfism within you.

    Also... much the world arranges "surrounding dark matter into something to be debated" in such a way that protects/inflates the ego.

    The key is be present and transcend our own desire to physically see evidence. We don't know anyways by defending our own perception of dark matter.

    Currently.... most of us are constructing our own path that suits our sin lifestyle. Were all sinners. Knowing that we are is often an issue. But both christians and non are sinners.

    We don't like to Let go and let god. We want control to some degree. This is what Jesus asks us to do. "Follow me".
    It's the hardest thing to do... but is done by letting the truth of scripture lead you (redemptive revelation)... as I said .

    Try reading corinthians and see if it makes sense to you. Try it without a pre conceived notion of it being a fairy tale.
    See the truth...
    do we do what it says in todays society... is it relevant... so many have not recently read and only hinge their philosophy on what they have heard from som other person...which may have been full of arogance pride or vanity..

    Look closely at the economy ponzi, look at how society idolizes Lust , greed , envy, sloth, pride of life, desire for knowledge, desire for power, desire for revencge,gluttony with food etc .

    Trancsend the temporal world.

    Just think if you can find any truth you can take with you ....in any of these things. When you die your riches go to someone who will spend away your life..... You will be forgotten.... history will repeat iteslf.... the greatest minds knowledge fade or are eventually plagerzed..... your good deeds will be forgotten and only give you a fleeting temporary reward . your learned teachings are forgotten or mutated..... your gold is transfered back to the rullers that rule you through deception. Your grave will grow over . This is truth .

    Trancsend your egoism and free yourself from this dominion of satan. Understand you are a sinner and part of the collective problem of this worldly matrix... Repent.... Repent means knowing (to change) The Holy spirit (within) will convict you beyond what you think you can do by yourself. Grace is given to those who renounce the world. That are" in" the world but not "of " the world.

    Evidence follows faith. Faith does not follow evidence..... Faith above reason in Jesus Christ.

    Faith comes by Reading or Hearing the word of god from the bible . Ask Jesus in faith for dicernment and start reading the new testament... You will be shocked when you lay down your preconceived notions and ....see and hear truth ... see how christ sets an example ... feel the truth....

    Read Ecclesiastes. Read corinthians.

    You cant trancend your own egoism by adapting a world philosophy to suit your needs. Seek the truth in Christ.

    Sell all your cleverness and purchase true bewilderment. You don't get what you want ....you get what you are in christ.

    I promise this has been the truth for me. In Jesus christ .

    Think of what you really have to lose. ...your ego?

    Break the Matrix of illusion that holds your senses captive.

    once you do . you too will have the wisdom of God that comes only through the Holy Spirit. Saved By grace through Faith. Just like seeing a new colour.... can't explain it to a transient caught in the matrix of worldly deception.
    You will also see how the world suppresses this information and distorts it

    You're all smart people . I tell the truth. Its hard to think out of the box when earthly thinking is the box.
    I'ts a personal free experience you can do it free anytime . Don't wait till you are about to die.. START PUTTING YOUR TREASURES WHERE THEY REALLY MATTER >
    Its awsome and It's just between you and Jesus

    my testimony

    Romans 10:9

    "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."

    June 12, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, I'm not jumping through hoops for you. Get off your lazy duff and read back through the articles on this blog for over a year and find the answers Christians provided to you under another handle. Other than that ... stay with no ears to hear or eyes to see His truth.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      If I confess will you stop spamming this bullsh•t that no one reads?
      God hates you for spamming, you will burn in hell for it.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      What I read here was “believe what I’m telling you from this really old book, even though there is no evidence that it is true, or you will burn in heII for all eternity.” Not a very nice thing to say azzhoIe.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • .

      Click the report abuse link to get rid of this troll. Hopefully soon they'll block their IP address from posting.

      June 14, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
  5. Bob

    HeavenSent, I'm going to push this comment to the top again, since all you have done so far is dodge my questions. You've never been able to respond with any substance to my posts. Here we go again. This time, show some courage and try to respond with substance for a change. I doubt that you can:

    Now, since we have HeavenSent dumping bible quotes on us here ad nauseum, let's have a look at the really nasty stuff that Christian god is really stated as demanding of Christians in the Christian book of horrors AKA the bible. Awful horrors like these, just as a few of many, many examples:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    June 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Figures this went under the wrong post ... games, games, games, always games on this site.

      I wrote Bob, I'm not jumping through hoops for you. Get off your lazy duff and read back through the articles on this blog for over a year and find the answers Christians provided to you under another handle. Other than that ... stay with no ears to hear or eyes to see His truth.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • sam

      HeavenSent just blamed the site for her own inability to find the reply link to the right post...that is gold.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      Bob I wouldn't bother. HeavenSent has admitted to me in an earlier article that she doesn't bother to actually read what people who disagree with her types.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • OTOH

      HeavenSent
      "Figures this went under the wrong post ... games, games, games, always games on this site."

      How about a HUMBLE, "Oops, I made a mistake?" That's beyond you, I'll bet.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Oh HawaiiGuest, still complaining that I won't answer when he refuses to post what he wanted me to answer.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @HeavenSent

      That was complaining to you? Do you deny telling me that you don't fully read what "non-believers" write on the blogs?

      June 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      HawaiiGuest, non-believers chant the same mantra. That's why I skip over most non-believers postings. The only reason why I answer some is because they were usually written under or near a Christians' post that I found to be interesting reading and find that someone is asking me to write and answer. Notice that I don't answer most questions because I didn't read them in the first place, or, I've answered them a year ago and am not jumping through the non-believers hoops of starting the debate over again because they knew they lost debates in the past ... hence, why they change their handles to re-write the same ole same ole questions they detest because in their hearts they know those scriptures they detest were written about them.

      June 12, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @HeavenSent

      1) Without reading the posts, you cannot state that it is all the same as a truth statement.
      2) You are assuming the people on here a year ago are the same people with different handles. You have no proof of this, nor do you have evidence of this.
      3) You don't seem reluctant to repost the same bible verse dribble over and over, so why should anything else be a problem?
      4) How do you intend to have any credence when you merely make excuses for not answering a question? Do you really think that people are going to go a year back to find some obscure thing that you MIGHT have said?

      June 12, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      The answer to your post is that out of your pride and unbelief you are attempting to deceive others.

      Numbers 31 is God’s vengeance and wrath on the Midianites because they had caused his people to worship Baal.

      Deuteronomy 13 is God’s instruction for what they were to do to people who tried to get them to worship other gods.

      Are those really the best examples of Gods jealousy, wrath, and judgment you could come up with? To me on down in Deuteronomy 13 is even harsher “15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
      16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again.”

      On the subject of sacrifice here is a couple, God speaking through the prophet Hosea, Hosea 6: 6, “For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.” Also, Jesus speaking from Matthew 9:13, “But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

      June 12, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Why the fvck do you people keep quoting the bible?! It is not evidence or proof!!!!! We don't give a fvck what it says. It is not proof or evidence backing up any of your religious claims. So stop. Answering a question about a verse in the bible with a verse from the bible is a fvcking cop out.

      June 12, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • Get Real

      HeavenSent:

      You are the lazy one. You post the same old supposedly magical Bible quotes as answers to everything, and fall back on calling everyone who challenges you fools... and carnal... and full of EGO and several other worn-out "mantras" that I don't feel like searching my brain for at the moment. Get real.

      June 12, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Devil made me do it,

      We keep quoting it because it is good. Did you even read my post I answered Bob’s bible quotes with what they meant without quoting the bible? Granted I did add a couple of my own after I had explained what his meant.

      I really can’t resist though. Here is the best reason to continue quoting the bible Hebrews 4:12
      For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

      June 12, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • juan es de la Marque

      dude!!!! You quoted all Old Testament scripture....mostly whhich has nothing to do with us...

      your one dementional mind can never graspe what Christianity is all about!!! geepers! :) :)

      The evidence that the bible is true is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit which was absent for more than a thousand years of Christianity which has led to many a dis or shall I say mis understandings...Jesus is real dude...that enough is reason to desire and seek him .. if he is truely risen from the dead all these two millenia , and he si as by my own experiences with him then is is all that and much much more and should be sougth out like as if there is nothing else to do untill he is discovered...He is available to any who call upon him... his number is JESUS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      :) :) :) For whoso ever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.... :)

      June 12, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @juan

      Then the 10 comandments should not apply at all then? Since they are old testament anyway.

      June 12, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • Huebert

      @juan

      Baptism is nothing more than taking an inefficient bath with a modern day magic man.

      June 12, 2012 at 4:12 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Robert Brown,

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The Word is with me and I am with the word. Because the Word is in me; I speak with authority and wisdom. I cannot do anything about those that are jealous of my wisdom. I can only help those that hav etheir ears open. If you do not believe in Jesus you do the work of the Father of Lies and you will perish.

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 5:27 pm |
    • Vampsh Black Sheep League of Doom Gardamun Family Circle Master Vampire High Priest

      Jesus. What a mess

      June 12, 2012 at 7:28 pm |
  6. Chuckles

    Riddle me this:

    Western religion puts forth that the point of life is to achieve entry into heaven. They argue the nitty gritty as to the "how" but the end goal is you somehow did the right combo of tricks to make god believe you deserve entry into heaven. What is the point of an afterlife exactly? If you've unlocked heaven, do you work? is it literally just a never-ending cruise where you try and spend time wasting away the time until some unforeseen event? Doesn't eternity sound horrible? For instance, my life is always centered around goals, both big and small. The big being I want my life to be worth something, the small being I want to buy a roku player in a couple of days. Point is, in heaven if you just a floating spirit, what is there to do?

    June 12, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Huebert

      What is a roku player?

      June 12, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • XOR

      http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=roku+player

      June 12, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • Vampsh Black Sheep League of Doom Gardamun Family Circle Master Vampire High Priest

      ROKU

      June 12, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      Chuckles,

      Imagine this, the same creator who made the universe and everything in it that we are able to perceive and enjoy, has also made a place for us to spend eternity. With all the things he has blessed us with here it is impossible to imagine all there will be heaven to enjoy.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Chuckles

      I love that my comment about the Roku got more responses

      @Robert, Just to be clear here, you're saying is that the happiness is imaginable? I'm still a little lost, why should I look forward to a place that has to get boring, I mean, how could it not?

      June 12, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Sorry change the imaginable to "unimaginable"

      June 12, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  7. Bob

    Since HeavenSent and others are busily dumping bible quotes on us, let's have a look at some of the nasty bits that the Christian book of horrors, AKA the bible, presents frequently as instructions from horrid Christian god:

    Numbers 31:17-18
    17 Now kiII all the boys. And kiII every woman who has slept with a man,
    18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.

    Deuteronomy 13:6 – “If your brother, your mother’s son or your son or daughter, or the wife you cherish, or your friend who is as your own soul entice you secretly, saying, let us go and serve other gods … you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death”

    Note that the bible is also very clear that you should sacrifice and burn an animal today because the smell makes sicko Christian sky fairy happy. No, you don't get to use the parts for food. You burn them, a complete waste of the poor animal.

    Yes, the bible really says that, everyone. Yes, it's in Leviticus, look it up. Yes, Jesus purportedly said that the OT commands still apply. No exceptions. But even if you think the OT was god's mistaken first go around, you have to ask why a perfect, loving enti-ty would ever put such horrid instructions in there. If you think rationally at all, that is.

    And then, if you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

    So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

    Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

    June 12, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, so sad that you're still clueless to what Jesus teaches in scriptures..

      Christians see right through your lies because ...Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it .

      John 8:44

      Bob, if you are not a Kenite, kiss yourself goodbye from both sides.

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob, if you could hear God's voice like I can you would believe. Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:57 am |
    • junior

      Why so much hate? God is Love.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Bob

      No, HS. I'm quoting your bible. Your threats have no effect on me.

      Try instead rebutting anything that I wrote. So far, you have utterly failed to do so.

      Again, think about this, since so far you have refused to do so:

      If you disagree with my interpretation, ask yourself how it is that your "god" couldn't come up with a better way to communicate than a book that is so readily subject to so many interpretations and to being taken "out of context", and has so many mistakes in it. Pretty pathetic god that you've made for yourself.

      So get out your sacrificial knife or your nasty sky creature will torture you eternally. Or just take a closer look at your foolish supersti-tions, understand that they are just silly, and toss them into the dustbin with all the rest of the gods that man has created.

      Ask the questions. Break the chains. Join the movement. Be free of Christianity and other superstitions.

      http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

      June 12, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Bob the bore, your post is nothing new. These same scriptures and your questions were asked of Christians over a year ago, except you used a different handle. Answers by Christians were provided and swept under the rug by the non-believers so you can continue with your bad behavior and whining of detesting scriptures that were written about the likes of you. Face it Bob, you have issues that enslave you for not learning, comprehending and abiding in His truth.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Why are there so many vile passages in the bible? Why are there so many contradictions in the bible? Why is there blatant misogyny and devaluation of females in the bible?
      Could it be it was written by men with no concept of any world outside the ancient middle east? Could it be they had no concept of physics or science? The bible is gods word, but not when we "misinterpret" it? Sounds like your god is a dipsh•t or made up by men.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Heavensent,
      Please enlighten us why your god would put such vile things in the bible. You seem to have a response to everything, but never a clear answer. So what say you? Why would your god command you to kill?

      June 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      @ Devil,

      I know, it's almost as if it were written by bronze age goat herders and not a book inspired by a god.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Heavensent,
      Why is it ok for Christians to follow some of gods word but blatantly ignore others? Why do you get to choose what you obey? If god is infallible, all knowing and all powerful wouldn't he punish those who disobey the word of god, even Christians? Whose "interpretation" of the bible is correct? Whose version of Christianity does god favor the most? If god is so powerful why does he do nothing to help those whom he created? If he knows all, sees all, what would be the point in creating us? Wouldn't the concept of free will directly contradict the existence of an all knowing god?

      June 12, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The Devil, the Bible is the history (His story) of Jesus coming to earth as a man, walking among us. The Bible records what was going on at the time ...Jesus' truth versus satan's lies. What happened at the beginning is what is happening now ... end of days, last generation. Those that have eyes to see and ears to hear His truth comprehend what is written. Those that don't, stay clueless as they believe the lies of satan that Jesus is a fairy tale.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Heavensent,
      Why does science and physics continually provide new answers to the mysteries of the universe every day but your god has not provided any new "words of god" in over 2000 years? How come humans continue to find cures to diseases and other problems to mankind while god sits idle? How come people who claim to speak to god are dismissed by other Christians as crazy, but those who "pray" are normal?

      June 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Those that believe in Christ hear the voice of God talking to them.

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      That's nice heavensent, but you still have not answered any of my questions directly. You gave me some bs diatribe about Jesus that I did not ask for.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Those that truly believe in Christ and think they hear the voice of god are fvcking crazy.
      the truth

      June 12, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Via Doc Ves.

      Heavensent,
      Here is a list of people who also have talked to god. See anything wrong?

      God speaks to people all the time.
      In 2008, He told Boyce Singleton Jr. to shoot and stab his pregnant girlfriend.
      Deanna Laney heard God direct her to bludgeon her three sons, aged 9, 6 and 15 months. Only the youngest survived.
      Blair Donnelly received instructions to stab to death his 16 year old daughter, Stephanie.
      Christopher Varian was slaughtered with a cheese knife after God spoke with one of his employees.
      God told Jennifer Cisowski to dash her infant’s head on the rocks, so “”Just like Jesus raised Lazarus, I threw the baby on the stones by the pool.”
      Khandi Busby got a direct message from God advising her that the only way to save her 6 and 8 year old boys was to toss them off a bridge in Dallas. Fortunately, they survived.
      Angel Rico says he received a divine command to strangle his 4 year old son, so he did just that and left him at the side of the highway.
      Lashaun Harris threw her 3 kids – aged 6, 2 and 16 months, into the San Francisco Bay after God let her know that He wanted a human sacrifice.

      Since nobody has a psychic monitoring system to intercept and decode Divine messages sent to others, these people’s claims to direct communication with God are no more or less credible than those made by Abraham, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammed or any other prophet.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      The phony heavensent has been deployed to squash the debate because the loosers again are the non-believers on this site.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Devil made me do it, you posted "Heavensent, Why is it ok for Christians to follow some of gods word but blatantly ignore others?”

      Answer: We are all sinners that are walking our path in life. Hopefully, the path that we are on is the narrow path leading to salvation, for many shall walk the wide path to destruction.

      "Why do you get to choose what you obey?"

      Answer: Free will given to all of us by God.

      "If god is infallible, all knowing and all powerful wouldn't he punish those who disobey the word of god, even Christians?"

      Answer: God is long suffering, wishing that no-one should perish.

      "Whose "interpretation" of the bible is correct? Whose version of Christianity does god favor the most?"

      Answer: Man made denominations are ungodly. Jesus wants all of us to read His letter He wrote to us (the Bible), then have Q&A after sermons are heard to debate what is written to sharpen our skills of His truth. Church is suppose to be the gathering of like minds to hear His truth then to question and answer what was taught so that all are in agreement of His truth before leaving the church settings.

      "If god is so powerful why does he do nothing to help those whom he created? If he knows all, sees all, what would be the point in creating us? Wouldn't the concept of free will directly contradict the existence of an all knowing god?"

      Answer: God made ALL for His pleasure. He gave man free will because He wouldn't get pleasure forcing us to love Him.

      I'm sure if I missed anything you posted, you'll get back to me or the phony heavensent will post their babble.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      What a load of crap. God faces us free will because he didn't want us to be forced to love him!? Lol! But yet he demands our obedience. Contradictions rear their ugly heads....

      June 12, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Devil made me do it, He tells us what He wants and doesn't want. Man/women too, have free will to follow or not follow His truth.

      Not to worry Devil made me do it, most folks are walking on the wide road to destruction.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      This blog is full of deaf ears. If you would only listen to my wisdom that God has given me. I speak with his authority.

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Commenter

      HeavenSent: "The phony heavensent has been deployed to squash the debate because the loosers again are the non-believers on this site."

      Are you stupid or something?
      - A debate might be quashed... not squashed.
      - Looser means not as tight.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      Heavensent,

      You speak with gods authority!?!? How arrogant are you!?
      You spout bullsh•t from from the bible that you claim as truth which has no certifiable evidence to back any of it up. Your a false Christian if I have ever met one. You claim to speak for god, which is blasphemous in itself. Your a troll to the nth degree, everything you post is full of holes and is easily stripped down. All you have to do is read your asinine responses in which you use the bible as evidence for the bible! What a fvcking joke!

      June 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Commenter, LOL, this blog reminds me of the father tomato, momma tomato and baby tomato walking down the street. Papa tomato is irked because baby tomato keeps lagging behind. Papa tomato turns around, waits for baby to come closer. Papa steps on baby tomato and says "ketch up".

      June 12, 2012 at 5:22 pm |
  8. Robert Brown

    Evolution = Atheist to Agnostic to Believer

    June 12, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Huebert

      Going by the literal definition of evolution, incremental change over time, you are correct. However, evolution does not equal improvement. As evidenced by the scenario you just put forth.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Sue

      No, Robert. I think your post is largely just insulting to atheists, but it also reveals yet more of your ignorance of evolution, yet again. Evolution does not have innate "objectives", nor endpoints. Various changes may occur in species from one generation to the next, sometimes even harmful ones. However, at any time, the adaptive value of a given change may go away if conditions change.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  9. Primewonk

    Some of the ignorant fundamentalist idiots here like to post random meaningless bible verses. In the spirit of fairness, here are some random verses from the Primewonk bible. I happen to think that these verses make a lot more sense than yours –

    ADVISORY: There is an Extremely Small but Nonzero Chance That, Through a Process Know as "Tunneling," This Post May Spontaneously Disappear from Its Present Location and Reappear at Any Random Place in the Universe, Including Your Neighbor's Domicile. God Will Not Be Responsible for Any Damages or Inconvenience That May Result.

    PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any Use of This Post, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Believer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe.

    Einstein 16:24 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.

    Gould 1:15-16 Human consciousness arose but a minute before midnight on the geological clock. Yet we mayflies try to bend an ancient world to our purposes, ignorant perhaps of the messages buried in its long history. Let us hope that we are still in the early morning of our April day.

    Bohr 2:11 Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it.

    Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.

    Sagan 22:1 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reàssuring.

    Feynman 110:55 …it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.

    Hawking 41:61 A machine that was powerful enough to accelerate particles to the grand unification energy would have to be as big as the Solar System-and would be unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.

    Hippocrates 14:5 Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.

    Galileo 12:16 It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved

    Carlyle 2:2 It is a mathematical fact that the casting of this pebble from my hand alters the centre of gravity of the universe.

    Fermi 1:1 The weak nuclear force does not change over time.

    Oliver Heaviside 62:3 Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?

    C. P. Snow 5:3 Innocence about Science is the worst crime today.

    Paul Valéry 3:6 One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall.

    A.C. Doyle 14:8 It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.

    Clark 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

    Roddenberry 68:12 We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

    June 12, 2012 at 11:15 am |
    • I'm The Best!

      "Clark 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

      Surprisingly this also works in the other direction with old tech. Hand a child a clockwork toy (one that runs on springs) and watch him ask how it works without batteries.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      Dont forget the de Grasse Tyson

      “God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance.”
      ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

      June 12, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • junior

      I don't disregard logic my brother,
      Fides et Ratio

      June 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
  10. Nothing fails like atheism

    Case closed!

    June 12, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Hi there Cap'n Sayin Atheism Isn't an Angry Failing Pervert!
      Did you give up your xenophobic nom de plume? Haven't seen you spew vitriol as Captain America in a while now.

      June 12, 2012 at 10:46 am |
  11. junior

    Brothers and Sisters in the Faith: Today's message of good news

    Gospel Mt 5:13-16

    Jesus said to his disciples:
    "You are the salt of the earth.
    But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned?
    It is no longer good for anything
    but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
    You are the light of the world.
    A city set on a mountain cannot be hidden.
    Nor do they light a lamp and then put it under a bushel basket;
    it is set on a lampstand,
    where it gives light to all in the house.
    Just so, your light must shine before others,
    that they may see your good deeds
    and glorify your heavenly Father."

    The Gospel of the Lord,
    AMEN

    June 12, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Honey Badger Dont Care

      I can quote from the bible too:

      Ezekiel 23:19-21

      19 Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prost itute in Egypt. 20 There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21 So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled.
      (NIV 1984)

      June 12, 2012 at 9:48 am |
    • Who cares

      That passage gave me a semi chub. The bible is dirty.

      June 12, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • junior

      Those things that brought the sisters great pleasure later turn against them. Such is corruption.

      June 12, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      junior: Quoting the buybull only shows your lack of ability to think for yourself and to seek out updated evidence. In case you missed it that book was written 2000 years ago and has never been updated...this is the 21st century, it is time for you to reside in it or find a cave and live in there. There is no evidence to support a god claim and until there is, there is no reason to believe one exists.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:11 am |
    • junior

      Truth is eternal, a gift from God

      June 12, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Devil made me do it

      God is a imaginary burden created by man.

      June 12, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "Truth is eternal, a gift from God"

      In order for that to be true, you need to provide the evidence that your god exists. Are you completely clueless? There is no evidence to back your god but yet you claim you know a god exists, so what evidence can you provide to back this? Burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.

      June 12, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  12. HeavenSent

    Fools because of their transgression, and because of their iniquities, are afflicted.

    Psalms 107:17

    Amen.

    June 12, 2012 at 9:17 am |
    • Huebert

      Don't worry I'm sure science will discover a cure for your affliction one day.

      June 12, 2012 at 9:25 am |
    • Who cares

      Oh no! I'm afflicted with logic and reason which makes me think critically, therefore I understand that there is no god and religion is a joke....its so terrible. Not really, its actually quite awesome that I don't waste my life on my knees or a mental slave. No god.

      June 12, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      A foolish son [is] a grief to his father, and bitterness to her that bare him.

      Proverbs 17:25

      Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 10:17 am |
    • Christian

      @Who cares

      Apparently science and logic didn't teach you how to spell. You said "its so terrible." The correct spelling of thy word in this case is *it's* (meaning it is). Your *its* shows ownership o something. And to think you people call Christians idiots...

      June 12, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Huebert

      @HS

      Is that what this is about? Poor HS, I'm sure your parents are proud of you, they just have trouble expressing their feelings.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • Who cares

      Its the fvcking interwebs you grammar Nazi. Only a anal retentive insecure dolt would point out missing punctuation. Oh by the way what does "shows ownership o something" mean? You mean "or" you idiot. Learn how to spell.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:01 am |
    • junior

      A tree is known by the fruit it bears. I see despair and wrath

      June 12, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Primewonk

      Christian wrote, "The correct spelling of THY word in this case is *it's* (meaning it is). Your *its* shows ownership O something."

      Does anyone else recognize the fûcking irony here?

      June 12, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Huebert

      @junior

      And what is your "fruit"? I see judgement and condescension.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Hearing God's voice is a wonderful thing. I hear it every day. Amen.

      June 12, 2012 at 11:58 am |
    • junior

      More the reason to believe if you happen to see errors in my ways. I will work on being more humble

      June 12, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • Huebert

      @junior

      A Christ like response.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God speaks to people all the time.
      In 2008, He told Boyce Singleton Jr. to shoot and stab his pregnant girlfriend.
      Deanna Laney heard God direct her to bludgeon her three sons, aged 9, 6 and 15 months. Only the youngest survived.
      Blair Donnelly received instructions to stab to death his 16 year old daughter, Stephanie.
      Christopher Varian was slaughtered with a cheese knife after God spoke with one of his employees.
      God told Jennifer Cisowski to dash her infant's head on the rocks, so ""Just like Jesus raised Lazarus, I threw the baby on the stones by the pool."
      Khandi Busby got a direct message from God advising her that the only way to save her 6 and 8 year old boys was to toss them off a bridge in Dallas. Fortunately, they survived.
      Angel Rico says he received a divine command to strangle his 4 year old son, so he did just that and left him at the side of the highway.
      Lashaun Harris threw her 3 kids – aged 6, 2 and 16 months, into the San Francisco Bay after God let her know that He wanted a human sacrifice.

      Since nobody has a psychic monitoring system to intercept and decode Divine messages sent to others, these people's claims to direct communication with God are no more or less credible than those made by Abraham, Moses, Joseph Smith, Muhammed or any other prophet.

      June 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
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