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Unbelieving preachers get help to 'come out' as open atheists
Minister-turned-atheist Jerry DeWitt speaks at ReasonFest in Kansas earlier this year.
June 13th, 2012
10:47 AM ET

Unbelieving preachers get help to 'come out' as open atheists

By Dan Merica, CNN

(CNN) - Jerry DeWitt entered the ministry when he was 17, launching a 25-year career as a Pentecostal preacher. He traveled all around his home state of Louisiana, preaching and ministering wherever he could.

All these years later, DeWitt, 42, is still on the road, and now takes his message all over the United States. But the nature of that message, along with his audience, has changed dramatically.

DeWitt is now an avowed atheist, and his audiences are made up of religious “nones,” the growing number of Americans who are atheist, agnostic, humanist or just plain disinterested in identifying with a religion. Today, DeWitt preaches a gospel of disbelief.

During his speeches, he talks about the process of leaving his preacher job. “If you don’t believe, then you will be like me - you’ll suddenly find yourself where you only have two choices,” DeWitt told a group in Johnson County, Kansas, earlier this year.

“You can either be honest that you don’t believe ... or you can pretend that you do,” he said. “Which is what so many people are doing and that is called faith.”

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The transition from preacher to outspoken atheist has not been easy, and DeWitt is trying to smooth the way for other former believers. He is executive director of Recovering from Religion, an organization founded in 2009. Its slogan: “Thousands of organizations will help you get INTO religion, but we’re the only one helping you OUT.”

But a relatively new effort goes a step further than his own group by focusing on helping clergy in particular. In March 2011, a coalition that includes national groups such as American Atheists, the Freedom From Religion Foundation and the Richard Dawkins Foundation helped launch the Clergy Project, which is aimed at giving doubting and atheist preachers a community in which they can talk about their disbelief.

The program's ultimate goal: to help unbelieving preachers to “come out” in real life.

A safe online community

The Clergy Project’s key component is a private online community of active and former pastors discussing their conversions to lives of active disbelief. It lets congregational leaders come out anonymously, using an alias.

“It is important to focus on any group of people who are in a lot of pain,” said Linda LaScola, a co-founder of the Clergy Project. “That is why the Clergy Project exists, and it wouldn’t be growing if there wasn’t a need for it.”

When it launched last year, 52 clergy signed up for the online community, according to LaScola. A little more than a year later, 270 members are contributing to the message boards and connecting anonymously with one another.

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According to LaScola, the community includes some rabbis, imams and Catholic priests, but the majority are Protestants.

Members are barred from disclosing what is discussed on the boards, but DeWitt said it’s a blend of humor, advice and encouragement. DeWitt, who left his congregation just over a year ago, is considered the group’s first graduate.

“It gave me confidence to come out,” DeWitt said of the Clergy Project. “Knowing that I was not alone, that I was not a fluke, that I was not a freak of religious nature, but that this is a process; it most definitely gave me confidence and a purpose.”

Jerry DeWitt, far right, in his days as a minister.

DeWitt said that after connecting with people on the message boards, he realized he faced fewer obstacles than some others who are trying to leave the ministry. For example, DeWitt's wife and son already knew about his disbelief, while other questioning preachers had not yet told their families.

“I think it is important when you are struggling that you talk it out, that you write about it, that you find support,” said Teresa MacBain, acting executive director of the Clergy Project. “I still try to reach out to people who are questioning, who are doubting, clergy people and laypeople alike, and let them know they are not alone, that there are people who care.”

How does he feed his family?

For 44 years, MacBain was involved in some sort of ministry, from organizing worship music to being a senior pastor at a Methodist church in Florida.

At a recent American Atheists convention in North Bethesda, Maryland, MacBain first publicly announced her atheism, inspiring a roaring round of applause. American Atheists President David Silverman walked onstage and hugged her as MacBain began to cry.

"I was the one on the right track, and you were the ones that were going to burn in hell," MacBain told the crowd. "And I'm happy to say as I stand before you right now, I'm going to burn with you."

She said she sees plenty of growth potential in the Clergy Project. In the near future, she said she hopes to incorporate it as a nonprofit and begin raising funds for clergy who have decided to leave ministry jobs. She also wants to compile a group of employment recruiters to help former clergy find new jobs.

DeWitt, for his part, is struggling financially and said his house could be foreclosed on in the next few months.

For former preachers in search of work, their old skills can be hard to translate into new fields. What references do former ministers use if they have disappointed their congregants by leaving the pulpit?

MacBain said that some “formers,” as she calls ex-clergy, have left their hometowns for new jobs in fields ranging from radio to counseling.

To aid those transitions, Recovering from Religion has started the Clergy Professional Relief Fund, dedicated to “helping ex-ministers have a soft landing after coming out of the ministry.” Though little money has been collected so far, the hope is to help former ministers with job training and relocation expenses.

“Even if you have a degree in divinity, that doesn’t really mean anything,” DeWitt said. “That is the biggest fear that a nonbelieving clergy member has. How does he feed his family?”

Losing faith, losing friends

As a young fresh-faced minister, DeWitt was first confronted with his disbelief when he “became the person who got the burden of preaching about hell,” he said. “I really loved the people I preached to, I loved them like family. So imagine preaching that if you don’t do this, you are going to burn in hell. That wasn’t easy for me.”

After doubt about hell, DeWitt began to research other schools of thought about God and belief. He began to develop other doubts, about certain biblical translations and about healing.

“The next big issue was the failure of prayer,” DeWitt said. “People are passing away, whenever we pray for them to live. People aren’t getting jobs, whenever we pray for them to have jobs.

“The harder we tried to alleviate suffering within our church, it seemed like the worse things got,” he said. “It didn’t seem like prayer made any difference. It just continually crushed my heart.”

When DeWitt decided to come out as an atheist, some in his congregation appeared shocked.

“I was very heartbroken actually because his family means so much to me; they are actually like family,” said Natosha Davis, 30, who attended DeWitt’s church for four years. “I was very heartbroken for him that he had to go through that and struggle.”

Many congregants were less charitable. “Some people where he lives just totally turned their backs on him,” Davis said. “He was ostracized, excommunicated. It is like he has a disease, but he doesn’t.”

When DeWitt runs into people he used to preach to, he still averts his eyes. Going to the post office and to Walmart, he said, can be stressful because of the possibility of running into a former congregant.

“It is because places in which you were once admired now you are suddenly scorned or pitied,” DeWitt said, who admits not having many friends anymore. “It makes for an extremely uncomfortable life.”

And yet DeWitt said his atheist life mirrors his old religious one in some key respects. In some ways, he said, he’s still a minister.

“The origin of the symmetry is me, is my personality, my love for people, my love for ministering,” DeWitt said. “What I have always tried to do is to minster from where I personally am at.

“When I was 17, I preached what I believed was best for people at the time; when I was 20, it was a little different; at 25 it was different, too,” he said. “And now at 42, I am still the same guy preaching what I see is best for people.”

- Dan Merica

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  1. The Corrector

    I see many freaks go before the courts & they actually believe their misery is clever.
    I see many freaks admitted to psychiatric units & they actually believe their misery is clever.
    The Department of Corrections extracts all kinds of confessions about the Devil when they know misery is involved.
    Do you believe your misery is clever?
    Then expect Corrections to extract all kinds of confessions about the Devil.
    Your misery is not so clever now.

    June 18, 2012 at 10:14 am |
  2. CHRIS GEGERE

    You unbelievers DO fulfill the prophecies in the Bible.

    Ya – you believe not – just like it says...

    The hard-hearted will wind-up like Pharoah and the Egyptians, like Sodom and Gommorah, like those who missed the boat in Noah's day.

    You better repent.

    I hope you guys do. 😉

    June 18, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • sam stone

      Good for you, Chris. We hope you extract the bible from your rectum and stop being such a begging sycophant

      June 18, 2012 at 8:38 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      The buybull predicted the end days would come and to a point it was right. The end days of belief in the imaginary friend all religions have is what we are witnessing.
      Kudos to Chris for wanting to hold on to his imaginary friend as long as possible, everyone should enjoy their childhood.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:44 am |
    • Mirosal

      I better ... what?? repent?? ha ha ha .... Look, according to scholars (I use that term loosely) the Pharoh in question is Ramses II... his life is rather well docu'mented. Nowhere in his record is there ANYTHING about plagues, Mosses, Jews escaping, first-born babies dying. And the Egyptians were pretty gosh darn good at record keeping. As far as Noah... you really believe a WORLD-WIDE folld happened? You're a fool... tell me, just where would the waters recede if that were to take place?

      June 18, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Chris

      Could you and every other Christian stop being so proud? Pride's a sin, and the last thing I want is to spend eternity in Hell with a load of Christians. Leave Hell to us atheists, we'll enjoy it a lot more.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • JWT

      I may have some issues in my life that need repenting form. But not believing in your god is not one of them.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:30 am |
    • Steve

      Mirosal,

      Perhaps you have another witty explaination for why there are so many virtually identical flood "myths" from pratically every ancient culture on every continent around the planet? How/why would these people have come up with these virtually identical "myths" when they were separated by vast oceans? I'm afraid that ***YOU*** are the one who has been blinded by your religion of atheism from seeing the obvious truth.

      June 18, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      @ Steve//Mirosal,

      Perhaps you have another witty explaination for why there are so many virtually identical flood "myths" from pratically every ancient culture on every continent around the planet? How/why would these people have come up with these virtually identical "myths" when they were separated by vast oceans? I'm afraid that ***YOU*** are the one who has been blinded by your religion of atheism from seeing the obvious truth.??

      Oh OH. I've got this one.

      Lets see... People historically live, either where the resources are, and/or where the resources can be brought to quickly. This tends to have us building settlements on riverbanks, deltas, and bays where rivers flow into the oceans. Water is a necessity of life, for humans, for their food sources, animal and plant. Riversare easy transport, from upstream areas where we build out more agriculture, etc, to feed the growing settlements along the waterways.

      Rivers tend to flood, cyclically. Floods are a natural occurence, and when they happen, they tend to cause a lot of distruction to such settlements.

      When your 'world' is your village, and the village down or upstream, or across the stream, and you know little past that.... when your river floods, it's EPIC.

      June 19, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
  3. CHRIS GEGERE

    ROMANS 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “The just shall live by faith.”

    God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness
    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools...
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness... -Paul. 1st Cenutury AD.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • Mirosal

      What IS your point. All you're doing is babbling, and using words not your own. Do you have anything of your own volition to say, or are you just going to quote from the goat herder's and sheep f-cker's almanac?

      June 18, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Considering that the buybull is not peer-reviewed it is not a reliable source for anything. The Grimms Brothers wrote more entertaining fairy tales.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:49 am |
    • Michael McCollum

      what a silly boy you are to quote the Gentile who never knew Jesus and yet became his leading pitch man.

      what a silly boy you are to use this to reinforce your commentary. That you would take an advertisement section of the Bible (anything written by Paul is an advertisement) and make it the unerring word of God as if it were a real prophesy, shows how little you get about your made up religion.

      Paul runs roughshod over the teachings of Jesus in order to promote his own view of the teachings. Even Peter told him, "oh no you don't" and people like you ignore that showdown in Damascus.

      You're a terrible pitch guy for your silly religion, especially when you use the biggest con-artist in Christian History....Paul, Saul of Tarsus.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:27 am |
  4. CHRIS GEGERE

    A Psalm of David. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God." -Psalm 14:1.

    ROMANS 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools... ... ...
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness... -Paul.

    June 18, 2012 at 8:15 am |
    • Mirosal

      You're using a book, that tells you some won't believe (and for good reason), and if they don't follow your book they are condemned. You do realize it's the same thing as ANY cult leader who tells his sheep "They don't understand us". Because the cultist KNOWS they are wrong, society knows they are wrong, and sooner or later, the cult will die out, as they all have. Yours is just taking a little longer than it should. Your little book is NOT evidence in any way shape or form, and quoting from it just shows how blind and absemt of individual thought you really are. The perfect "sheep".

      June 18, 2012 at 8:20 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Mirosal: Anyone using scripture is not capable of thinking for themselves. Typical of a belief in any deity...it makes a working mind stop.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:42 am |
  5. CHRIS GEGERE

    HERE'S WHAT THE UN-BELIEVING WORLD WILL MISS OUT ON:
    Paul, in Ephesians 1:3 "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Chris...t to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved."

    7 "In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in Heaven and which are on Earth – in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

    13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance...to the praise of His glory." -Paul.

    -That is an answer (fulfillment) to Jesus' prophetic prayer to the Father in John 17!

    “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me." -Jesus, in John 17:20-21.

    The un-believing world can kiss God's ass.

    June 18, 2012 at 7:58 am |
    • Mirosal

      You and your "god" can su'ck my di'ck AND kiss my as's .. and be sure to use lots of tongue too!!! I spit on your "god", and I bit'ch-slap your "devil". If either of them have a problem with that, then they'll know where to find me won't they?

      June 18, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • JWT

      Can't kiss what dos not exist – so beautifuly simple.

      There is not a problem with believing in god but it is not a requirement for a happy and fulfilling life.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:10 am |
    • Mirosal

      words of wisdom, and common sense .. thank you.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:11 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "The un-believing world can kiss God's ass."

      What a wonderful god-like thing to say! If you can provide evidence of your god, then we might have reason to believe it even has an ass to kiss.
      Does it feel good to talk to imaginary creatures Chris? It's time to grow up little boy...children have imaginary friends, adults do not!

      June 18, 2012 at 8:29 am |
    • sam stone

      Still dreaming of eternity on your knees in front of Jeebus? Take some good kneepads

      June 18, 2012 at 8:40 am |
    • Recovering From Religion

      How very Christian of you...

      June 19, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  6. CHRIS GEGERE

    Mark 16:15 And he [JESUS] said unto them,
    " Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
    16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

    June 18, 2012 at 7:55 am |
  7. CHRIS GEGERE

    JOHN 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world ...through Him might be saved.

    18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”

    ... ...36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

    June 18, 2012 at 7:52 am |
  8. CHRIS GEGERE

    Scientific Evidence for Answered Prayer and the Existence of God
    by Rich Deem

    http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prayer.html

    June 18, 2012 at 7:40 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Those have been debunked numerous times over. You're just too lazy and incapable of realizing this.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:46 am |
  9. Etalan

    There is a theory that "God" is your ego. That god believe in everything you do, because that is your ego talking to you. God tell you, that you are right, because your ego tell you, that everything you believe is right. That why god never disagree with you. That why you "cherry-pick" the bible, so you can be right. It also why there are so many branches of christian, because all their ego couldn't agree with each other, therefore they create their own religion. It also why, you never hear "God, tell me i was wrong, that my belief is wrong, etc" because your ego will never say you are wrong.

    June 18, 2012 at 4:54 am |
  10. Jack

    Good evening. Everyone is welcome to visit ... thestarofkaduri.com

    June 17, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • ...

      report abuse so Jack the troll can use his time to locate his bridge instead of spreading brainwashing material here

      June 18, 2012 at 5:16 am |
  11. Adam

    Dewitt had a false view of God's sovereignty to begin with. God is not a benevolent Being who fixes everybody's problems in this life. In fact, for most true Christians, they have MORE problems than non-believers. So of course many people in his congregation are suffering – that should not be a surprise. The trials and tribulations Christians suffer are to refine their character and prepare them for eternity, concepts that are totally foreign to an atheist. There is a reason why the gateway is small and the path that leads to life is narrow. Only those who truly love God will stay the course and stand firm to the end, despite all the garbage they have to endure.

    June 17, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Only those too lazy to think for themselves and too weak minded will stay the course, the rest of us will live in the 21st century and accept the changes as they come.

      June 18, 2012 at 8:51 am |
    • TheSchmaltz

      I'm horrified on two levels:

      1) He thinks atheists are unable to understand refining character through hardship. Wow. I'm in awe of your arrogance, and actually a bit offended. Congradulations.

      2) He thinks that this life, the only one we have, has been created to make us suffer and we have to endure it for the hope that we get something better later. That's why I'm terrified by our super-religious government officials. No motivation to fix anything, because this world doesn't matter to them. They throw away our future for a fairy tale.

      June 18, 2012 at 9:52 am |
  12. tango george

    For all you believers and non believers.
    god never wrote one word in your so called bible.read the dam thing.
    believing what some 3rd person wrote is like me believing what I read in these blogs
    Just the facts man just the facts.
    I guess we could call the writings in the bible the original bloggers

    June 17, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Non-believers don't believe that god wrote anything...non-believers do not believe in god.

      June 18, 2012 at 4:59 am |
    • The Corrector

      Are you able to get out of trouble?
      Are you able to stay out of trouble?

      June 18, 2012 at 7:24 am |
  13. The Corrector

    I MAKE THIS WORLD CONTENTED.
    What do you do?
    I MAKE THIS WORLD HAPPY.
    What do you do?
    I MAKE THIS WORLD ORGASM.
    What do you do?
    I MAKE THIS WORLD EUPHORIC.
    What do you do?
    DO THE SAME AS ME.

    June 17, 2012 at 9:27 pm |
  14. The Corrector

    DO THESE FOOLS RECOGNIZE THEIR OWN SLOTH YET?

    MY JUSTICE IS VERY MEAN AGAINST SLOTH.

    June 17, 2012 at 7:38 pm |
  15. Sunnylovetts

    Wouldn't wanna be in his atheist shoes when his final hour comes. God is reality, the proof is everywhere. Just pray with faith and you'll know it too.

    June 17, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • CanOnTo

      So, God will punish him for not believing? Isn't it God's own fault that he didn't provide a reason for belief in His existence? And now he wants to punish other for his own failures?! I tell you, that God is one hell of an a.$$hole.

      June 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • JWT

      No god and there is no proof. Even if there was proof most christian gods are not worth of worship.

      June 17, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • ingatuma

      Wrong, Atheism is NOT a religion....its a relationship with Truth vs some made up crap that was written to keep peasants and slaves in check. We are ALL born Atheists, everything else is taught, I know there is no invisible man up in the clouds, watching our every move. Your imaginary friend is not coming back because he is DEAD, and unless someone finds his bones and pleads with science to clone him....he is NOT coming back. The Burden of Proof lies on religion...all the stuff in your little books whether the bible or the koran....its all made up little of lies...the same lies we were told as kids about the tooth fairy, Santa Claus and numerous others.

      June 17, 2012 at 8:10 pm |
    • Fred

      This guy's problem is that he was never saved in the first place. He was a lost man trying to be a pastor.
      No wonder he failed. As for Teresa McBain, female pastors are not Biblical. No wonder she failed.
      They remind me of King Joash in the Bible; he did the right things, but his heart was not right.

      June 17, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Patrick

      Tell me about it. No virgins for him!

      June 18, 2012 at 1:00 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Sunny: What proof do you have that no-one else in this world has ever found?

      June 18, 2012 at 5:03 am |
    • sam stone

      I would not be a kneeling, begging sycophant, sunny. So, we both are happy where we are.

      June 18, 2012 at 5:48 am |
    • sam stone

      "would not WANT TO be a kneeling, begging sycophant" was the way that was supposed to read

      Sunny, the picture you paint is not of a loving god, but a manipulative tyrant. If that is what inspires you, I suppose you should get a good set of kneepads

      June 18, 2012 at 5:50 am |
  16. steve

    JWT,

    With all due respect, I find that a peculiar thing for you to say. Why would you not worship ANY god that had somehow become apparent to you? Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem very bitter.

    Steve

    June 17, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • JWT

      Nothing bitter at all. It is the nature of who I am just because some powerful being were to maifest itself does not mean I need or want to worship it. I cannot even imagine wanting to worship something. If a god deems it necessary to worip it or perish (as many christians see their god) then such a god would be unworthy of worship by anyone.

      June 20, 2012 at 6:54 am |
  17. Huh.

    Maybe your first problem is this belief that you can decide for people what's best for them. Whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish or atheist.....that's a pretty arrogant position to put yourself in.

    June 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm |
  18. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changeth things,

    June 17, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Patrick

      I keep praying that you will stop posting this comment repeatedly.

      June 18, 2012 at 1:01 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      That's actually an interesting experiment Patrick. I suggest you keep it up, assuming you are genuine. I have found that by praying for people who irritate me, over time, one of us will change.

      June 22, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  19. rick

    For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
    2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
    2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

    I have prayed for this lost individual.

    June 17, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • steve

      They went out from us, but they were not of us: for if they had beene of us, they would no doubt haue continued with us: but they went out that they might be made manifest, that they were not all of us.

      1 John 2:19

      June 17, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • PraiseTheLard

      As Vishnu might have said: Are you serious? Quoting fiction isn't going to help anyone...

      June 17, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • steve

      PraiseTheLard,

      "Get thee behind me; thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men."

      – Matthew 16:23

      June 17, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Rick, Steve
      Amen, my brothers!

      June 17, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • JWT

      There's no gods but you are welcome to believe as long as you don't try to force other people to follow your religious beliefs,.

      June 17, 2012 at 5:08 pm |
    • steve

      JWT,

      That's a pretty bold assertion. Can we believers hold you to the same level of scutiny that unbelivers (generally) do? IOW, how do you prove your assertion?

      Thanks for your thoughful consideration.

      June 17, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • JWT

      I don't feel any need to prove it Steve. I feel it in the core of my being.

      That being said there is no proof that there are gods. But either way I don't care. I certainly would not worship the chirtsian god even if it existed.

      June 17, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Fred

      You are right. The fact that this guy was in the ministry for 25 years and then decides he's an atheist after all this
      time is sad. He is definitely worse off for this move. His house going into foreclosure is proof of that.

      June 17, 2012 at 9:46 pm |
    • Patrick

      That is tricky. How do you prove that there is no evidence for something?

      Atheism is the lack of belief in a god or gods. It makes no claims in and of itself – though many atheists clam to be gnostic atheists – that is they claim to know there is no god, just as some claim to know there is.

      As if such a thing would even be knowable.

      June 18, 2012 at 1:05 am |
  20. Jack

    Happy "Father" Day ...Everyone is welcome to visit thestarofkaduri.com

    June 17, 2012 at 3:43 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Jack, thank you! it's a great site! Yeshua is LORD!

      June 17, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • ...

      report abuse on these posts...Jack is a troll who has lost his bridge

      June 18, 2012 at 5:09 am |
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