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Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage?
Ex-priest Jim Smith, opponent of Minnesota's ballot to ban same-sex marriages, says these are difficult days to be Catholic.
June 20th, 2012
09:35 AM ET

Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage?

By Chris Welch, CNN

Minneapolis (CNN) - Jim Smith is a former Roman Catholic priest who left his post with the church 10 years ago. He's an ex-priest for several reasons, he says, but one of his main concerns was the church's stance against same-sex marriage and other LGBT issues.

But Smith remains a Catholic - though he says being a Catholic who actively campaigns for legalized same-sex marriages can be difficult these days.

"I'd much rather this wasn't happening," Smith says of the division that the issue has created among Minnesota  Catholics. "But it does provide some real opportunities because it challenges us to talk to each other, Catholics talking to other Catholics."

Minnesota has become the newest epicenter in the same-sex marriage fight. This November, voters will decide whether they want an amendment added to the state's constitution that would ban marriage between members of the same sex.

Smith will be voting "no." And he has helped spearhead efforts in the state to persuade other Catholics to do the same.

A group he helped form,  Catholics for Marriage Equality-Minnesota, aims "to encourage Catholics to consider the profound sacredness of same-gender relationships and to defeat this marriage amendment," Smith says.

Vatican edicts against same-sex marriage often give Catholic same-sex marriage supporters the impression they're in the minority.

Related story: Same-sex marriage by the numbers 

But a recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) suggests 59% of American Catholics support rights allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally marry. One reason behind that statistic - says PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones - is because U.S. Catholics "overwhelmingly reject the idea that sexual orientation can be changed." A PRRI poll bears that out – with 69% of Catholics nationwide saying a person's sexual orientation cannot be changed.

In the Midwest alone, Catholics are evenly divided on the issue of same-sex marriage -– with 46% in favor, 47% against.

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Related story: Both sides re-energized for upcoming same-sex marriage fight

Like Jim Smith, Michelle LaFrance is a Catholic who has also taken the bold step against the church in support of marriage equality.

"I remember thinking 'wow, maybe I shouldn't [remain a Catholic],' " LaFrance said. Ultimately they've remained with the Catholic faith, citing its many positive aspects including going to church. It's an important weekly ritual for LaFrance, her husband and their three kids.

"The Catholic Church, despite the media [attention] it typically gets, does a lot of great things, a lot of great social justice," LaFrance said. She noted the church "feeds the poor, houses the homeless, takes care of the abused."

The LaFrance family belongs to the Church of St. Margaret Mary in the Minneapolis suburb of Golden Valley, a congregation which LaFrance describes as fairly progressive. She says the majority of her fellow parishioners agree with her stance on same-sex marriage.

But when LaFrance hears the archdiocese telling people how they should think about it, she can't help but sometimes feel like less of a Catholic.

"I don't think anybody - whatever their religious denomination - whole-heartedly follows every single rule down to the letter."

Related story: U.S. history of same-sex marriage

On the other side of the debate stands Dave Deavel.

Although he agrees with LaFrance to an extent, he says he believes there are certain pillars of the Catholic faith that people should follow. One of those is the church stance that marriage should remain between one man and one woman.

"The whole point of what the church teaches is to form people's consciences," Deavel says.

For Deavel, his wife and their five children, attending church is so important they strive to go multiple times a week.

He's active with Minnesota for Marriage, which supports of the same-sex-marriage ban, and has written various blog posts on the topic for the Minnesota Catholic Conference.

Asked whether he believes a person can be "less of a Catholic" for disagreeing with the church, Deavel says the Vatican "doesn't really have a certain category for 'less of a Catholic.' "

"But they certainly don't represent what the church teaches," he said. "Is it a spiritual problem? I think yes."

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In a written statement the MCC said groups such as Catholics for Marriage Equality "do not have any right to call their organizations 'Catholic.'"

In the past, the conference has issued statements accusing Catholics for Marriage Equality of trying "to confuse Catholics and the public about authentic church teaching" on marriage.

"Catholics for Marriage Equality MN attempts to convince Catholics that they can be in good standing with the church and oppose church teaching about human sexuality and marriage, which centers on the complementarity of the sexes and the mutual self-gift of loving spouses in marital union," said an MCC statement.

The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis declined CNN's request for an interview, but it agreed with sentiments expressed by the Minnesota Catholic Conference.

Does church doctrine make it impossible for same-sex marriage supporters to be true Catholics?

"There is no judgment intended about an individual's 'Catholicity' or 'Catholic-ness,' " says MCC spokeswoman Jessica Zittlow.

Minnesota's November ballot proposal to ban same-sex marriage isn't an amendment against LGBT individuals, say the MCC and the St. Paul and Minneapolis Archdiocese. Instead, they say it should strictly be viewed as an amendment supporting traditional marriage.

For ex-priest Jim Smith, grappling with the issue has been difficult - a personal struggle that extends to the heart of his faith.

The inner conflict between what Smith believes is right and his love for the church has pushed him to consider leaving the Catholic religion altogether.

In the end, Smith vows he will stay. "It's in my bones."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Christianity • Faith • Minnesota • Politics • Polls • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (2,849 Responses)
  1. Journeyman

    What is up with the string of Catholic articles from CNN lately?...note to CNN: Joe Biden is a Catholic, so is Pelosi, Cuomo, etc.

    I smell a Rubio on the horizon and CNN wants to do a little advance work.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • asifyoucould

      Cue Catholics whining about being persecuted.... Hi-lar-ious

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • concerned

      pelosi is a good example of a person who claims being Catholic, but has little proof.
      She didn't mind taking a military airlift (with her family) to see the Vatican (on tax payers dollars).
      Plus, she is from San Francisco. Her voters are heavily influenced by gay support.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
  2. ruth

    Being 64 ......Catholic.....NO... I will not support gay marriage....ever....please I still do not believe Blacks and Whites should be married....sorry.......I was taught not to cross the LINE......

    June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Talking Snake

      Then you're a racist, bi9oted tw@t. I hope you didn't reproduce.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • cloudyproject

      You mean the line of guys with white hoods and burning crosses?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • sam stone

      good for you, ruth....stick to your bigotry

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      I've noticed an inverse relationship between intelligence and the number of ellipses a person uses.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • sam stone

      ruth....luckily, it seems that younger people do support gay marriage. so, as folks like you die out, the support for marriage equality gets stronger.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • asifyoucould

      Im glad you are not silent about your beliefs... you are of the same thought as many other catholics who are just too cowardly to be honest... please say it loud and proud.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Michael

      What sort of thinking person, let alone religion can advocate the denial of happiness and rights allowed to other members of the same society?
      This is bigotry, plain and simple, and is why as a happily married father I do not support this denial of rights or any religion that supports it.
      And further, is why I will raise my child to be a free thinker (read "agnostic") and question any authority that holds certain people above others.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Rationalist

      @LOLReligion – Not just the number but also how many periods in each one.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • concerned

      wow, this woman expressed an opinion...and you attack her.

      what happened to your tolerance???

      June 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Superstar

      SO basically you're a bitter old hag who's afraid of these changing times.

      Guess what, blacks and whites CAN marry. And, oh my, black people can even own land! Holy Cow! I know this upsets you Ruth, but this is life.

      Oh, and guess what, our President, the one who represents this country, is the product of a white person and a black person procreating. So I guess you should move to another country then

      June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Superstar

      @ Sam Stone.

      Maybe we can team up and take out Ruth and the rest of her Klan

      June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • sam stone

      michael: did you seriously use the terms "thinking" and "religion" in the same sentence?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      "wow, this woman expressed an opinion...and you attack her. what happened to your tolerance???"

      This woman expressed an opinion that the majority of Americans not only disagree with but have voted to make illegal, that being the discrimination against those of another race based solely on the color of their skin. You seem to be upset that we attack her for supporting illegal activity. Would you feel the same if she came out and said she didn't see anything wrong with r a p i n g children under the age of 14? If she did I would expect some angry attacks telling her what a horrible person she is for holding to such a disgusting ideology. So it's no wonder that this old racist woman should be attacked and told that the world will be a better place without her, which it will.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • sam stone

      JC Superstar: I would rather she just explain why she feels that way, other than continuing the way she was taught.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • concerned

      jesus christ super star.
      Interesting name? why did you pick a name of someone you hate?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Fire And Brimstone

      Dear Ruth,
      Try to un-taught yourself.
      Education will make the illness go away.

      June 20, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • concerned

      sam,
      yes, younger generations do accept the gay lifestyle.
      they go to church a lot less.

      its part of the changing of morality for you to get accepted.
      As the older generations die off, society will look a lot different. Hope you like it...it doesn't look great from here.

      as for "lifestyle"...that's what it is.
      you choose to be gay.
      now, you're mad...because not everyone is excited about your choice.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      concerned, I'm over 50, straight, and married. This has less to do with generational change than with education. You have made it obvious that you don't know much about much.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
    • fred

      Tom Tom
      Perhaps you are intelligent enough to separate the constant liberal drum beat promoting a godless secular world but most are not. The ho-mo$exual agenda is driven from two fronts; those opposed to God and corporate / political greed that is $exualizing our youth.
      Your education has socioeconomic roots and is brainwashing the youth. You are certainly familiar with our communist friends that said we will bury your grandchildren. Their main attack against the youth depended upon getting God out of the driver’s seat. Those who know God have strength to resist the attack against our youth and resist a single global power structure.
      This time God may not intervene and you have no way to know if the new world order will be good or bad. Our experience shows that power in the hands of one does not work. Who will stand against the beast?

      June 20, 2012 at 5:44 pm |
    • concerned

      @Tom Tom

      wow, so your argument is based on name calling?? is that it?
      is that all you got, friend?? Because I'm not seeing anything from you.
      Give me a well-thought out argument or point...and we can talk.

      Name calling is boring, and I'm not interested in that.
      Put some sentences

      June 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm |
    • Erik

      "you choose to be gay.
      now, you're mad...because not everyone is excited about your choice."

      All major medical professional organizations concur that sexual orientation is not a choice and cannot be changed, from gay to straight or otherwise. The American, Canadian, Australian, New Zealand, and European Psychological, Psychiatric, and Medical Associations all agree with this, as does the World Health Organization and the medical organizations of Japan, China, and most recently, Thailand. Furthermore, attempts to change one's sexual orientation can be psychologically damaging, and cause great inner turmoil and depression, especially for Christian gays and lesbians.

      The scientific evidence of the innateness of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism is overwhelming, and more peer-reviewed studies which bolster this fact are being added all the time. Science has long regarded sexual orientation – and that's all sexual orientations, including heterosexuality – as a phenotype. Simply put, a phenotype is an observable set of properties that varies among individuals and is deeply rooted in biology. For the scientific community, the role of genetics in sexuality is about as "disputable" as the role of evolution in biology.

      On the second point, that there is no conclusion that there is a "gay gene," they are right. No so-called gay gene has been found, and it's highly unlikely that one ever will. This is where conservative Christians and Muslims quickly say "See, I told you so! There's no gay gene, so being gay is a choice!"

      The fact that a so-called "gay gene" has not been discovered does not mean that homosexuality is not genetic in its causation. This is understandably something that can seem a bit strange to those who have not been educated in fields of science and advanced biology, and it is also why people who are not scientists ought not try to explain the processes in simple black-and-white terms. There is no gay gene, but there is also no "height gene" or "skin tone gene" or "left-handed gene." These, like sexuality, have a heritable aspect, but no one dominant gene is responsible for them.

      Many genes, working in sync, contribute to the phenotype and therefore do have a role in sexual orientation. In many animal model systems, for example, the precise genes involved in sexual partner selection have been identified, and their neuro-biochemical pathways have been worked out in great detail. A great number of these mechanisms have been preserved evolutionarily in humans, just as they are for every other behavioral trait we know (including heterosexuality).

      There are many biologic traits which are not specifically genetic but are biologic nonetheless. These traits are rooted in hormonal influences, contributed especially during the early stages of fetal development. This too is indisputable and based on extensive peer-reviewed research the world over. Such prenatal hormonal influences are not genetic per se, but are inborn, natural, and biologic nevertheless.

      June 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm |
    • concerned

      Erik,

      Good evidence.
      But there is a gene that shows that certain people are more likely to be alcoholics. So, if this is not their choice, should we simply make allowances for them to be drunks and not attempt to help them? They could be alcoholics, because its not their fault?

      Genetics is a factor in addiction. So, should we legalize all drugs to allow them to exercise their civil rights? Are we discriminating against drug users?

      Or Psychology Today, had an article about genes that show some people are more likely to be murderers.
      Are we denying their civil rights to exercise something outside their control? Should we accept them to murder?
      http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201007/pity-the-poor-murderer-his-genes-made-him-do-it

      (I know the murder gene is a bit over the top, but scientists are studying the impact of a Warrior gene.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @fred

      That was a whole lot of crazy you spewed out there.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      concerned blurts: "Put some sentences"

      Ummm, you were saying?

      Thanks for the laughs, loser.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

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      June 20, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
    • fred

      The above is proof 50 year old white guys cannot make it in the rap business.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  3. Tim Knecht

    Catholicism is an artificial construct made by bigoted men in a male-dominant society, and perpetuated by males. Catholicism is about power, not about religious beliefs. Catholicism is anachronistic and outmoded.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Chris

      100% correct. Actually...all religions are based on this. Control the flock as it were.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • concerned

      Tim,

      too bad you miss so much good that the Church does.
      You're bitter about something in your past and should deal with it.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • JohnnyC

      Christ founded the Church. It is not a "human" organization. See Matthew 16:18.

      June 20, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
  4. Marcia J.

    A long time ago I had the utmost respect for the Catholic Church.....and then I grew up. Who cares what these hypocrits say? They are no better than anyone else. As a matter of fact, they are worse. They have upheld priests molesting little boys for years! LGBT, find a new religion, you don't need these hypocrites, as they definitely don't want you. You don't have to lose faith.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      Nobody gets more butthurt than Catholics in the face of even the slightest criticism.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Daniel B.

      There's always room for another hypocrite!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
  5. rgleason426

    Not only was this bordering on a hate article by CNN, but it was so ignorant about the precepts of the Catholic Faith that one has to wonder if they care to do any research at all. If I were CNN, I'd start with the four types of teaching that exist within the Catholic Faith and see which one the issue of gay marriage falls into, but it's my guess they don't even know what the four are. Sad and pathetic reporting.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Karmina

      The author of the article doesn't directly call out anything about a specific characteristic of the Catholic Church – he simply states views and statements from people he as interviewed, and brought to public attention data that research has revealed. It has nothing to do with his/CNN's personal views.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • asifyoucould

      Catholics whining about being persecuted.... Hi-lar-ious!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • guest

      Maybe you could enlighten us as to the four types? Google isn't giving me any help.

      I really don't see the "bordering on hate" aspect. It seems that anytime the media publishes anything that could be even slightly construed as critical of the Roman Catholic church (or almost any church) someone calls it "hate." It looked to me like an article seeking to explore the very real conflict some people are experiencing over this issue and trying to stay within a church they feel is nurturing and positive in many ways.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  6. J in NJ

    No we cannot.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
  7. LOL Religion

    This is because the vast majority of Catholics are decent human beings who are listening to their own evolved empathy, while the RCC is a vile, oppressive, antiquated and corrupt insti.tution.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
  8. nolimits3333

    The Catholic Church is more concerned with preventing contraception than preventing pedophillia.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • sam stone

      if altarboys could get preggers, they would change their tune

      June 20, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  9. Lexitony

    Didn't a English King (and the conutry) break away from the Roman Catholic Church a few hundred years back over another Catholic belief that was set in stone by the Pope in the Vatican? Maybe it's the US Catholics' turn.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • concerned

      yes, an English king did break away.
      So that he could divorce his wife and marry another woman.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  10. JOSE0311USMC

    GAY MARRIAGE IS BEING DECIDED BY THE SUPREME COURT AS WE SPEAK..I KNOW WHICH WAY THEY ARE GOING TO RULE. BANNED-BANNED.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • midwest rail

      False.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • BobZemko

      Sounds like a typical knucklehead former Marine. Guess what. The war's over.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Will

      Jose, seems to me that you are a true closet case. As Shakespeare said "The lady doth protest too much, methinks. " FYI, YOU are the lady!!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • asifyoucould

      USING ALL CAPS DOENT MAKE YOU FALSE INFORMATION TRUE

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Liberal Catholic

      Hey Bob, don't knock the military unless you are ready to pick up a rifle and do Jose's job. While I do not agree with Jose, that is no reason for you to knock what he does.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • sam stone

      Be more specific, jarhead, which case is the supreme court considering now concerning gay marriage?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  11. Mass Debater

    According to the bible, which sin is worse? Taking that extra deduction on your taxes you know you don't deserve or being gay?

    Answer: Jesus never says one thing about gays and yet when asked about taxes says "“Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” Mark 12:17

    June 20, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • JOSE0311USMC

      ME ? I RATHER CHEAT THAN BEING GAY.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      One you are born with and the other is a choice to cheat and steal making you a liar and a thief. I can see which side you identify with Jose...

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Pat

      The church doesn't teach that being gay is wrong. Read the Catechism, paragraphs 2357-2359.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
  12. RossC

    Don't get your morality from such an obviously flawed source as the bible.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • coloradom

      Then where should we get it from? You? The government? Whatever the majority thinks is right? Just curious.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      Where morality has always come from, colorado, our innate evolved empathy and the desire for social cohesion.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Jesus Christ Superstar

      @coloradom

      In this case, how about morality is defined as treat others ho you want to be treated.

      Is it fair for me to say, if you're born Catholic, or you're born with your 2nd toe bigger than your big toe you can't get married? Or is it fair to say if I am allowed to get married, then the gay couple next to me has the same right? Just because you don't have morals, don't bash other people for having them.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • paintpaintpaint

      Right, get your morality from your heart and your own soul... you will never be wrong if you err on the side of compassion.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • sam stone

      Get your morality from your own sense of right and wrong

      June 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Chris

      Sam Stone. If that is the case, then take a look at the Muslims. They are trying to bring their own laws(Sharia Law) here. So if they want to kill someone because someone insults their god, is that okay?

      June 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
  13. rosethornne

    Why would anyone voluntarily remain a participant in the same organization which produced the spanish Inquisition and systematic child abuse and then twisted the victims' minds to make them believe they were the ones at fault?
    "Good works" my a$$.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
  14. nolimits3333

    The three great evils in the world are Islam, the Catholic Church, and the Republican Party.

    Not necessarily in that order.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Nicole

      Agreed!! =)

      June 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      Every one of them thinks the whole pie is theirs and they are willing to lie, cheat & steal to get it.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • paintpaintpaint

      *like*

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
  15. Nicole

    This is exactly why I'll never set foot inside another church ever again...religion has got to be the most hypocritical system known! Why is anyone even worried about what these "priests" think anyway? Who really cares about their opinions? I'm a transgendered woman who serves quietly in the miliary...I have a friend who is also transgendered...this woman that I know had gone to church for years...helped them with all kinds of volunteer activities, etc...then as soon as the priest found out about her, he decided to go have a talk with her and told her it would be best if she didn't continue coming to that particular church. This is where I have an issue and exactly why I will never be part of a church organization ever again!

    June 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • concerned

      nicole,
      clearly you have issues.
      I don't think anyone in the church would not accept as a transgendered person.
      The church accepts us all, where ever we are in our faith.
      This doesn't mean, however, that the church will accept continued behaviors that are against the beliefs of the faith.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • QS

      Notice how "concerned" isn't actually concerned about your treatment at the hands of the church, but seems more concerned with the fact that they didn't try to enroll you in some kind of "reparative therapy"!

      This is the irrationality of the religious mind at its finest!

      Good for you Nicole!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Nicole

      I have issues? Really? What have I ever done that was wrong? I have served our country in the military for the past 9 years...been overseas, did a tour in Iraq, and continue to serve. I feel differently than everyone else is all...but yet I have issues? Are you serious? I have never stolen anything, hurt anyone, cheated, killed anyone...yet I have issues? I guarantee if you were talking to a person who did commit some of these acts and wasn't trans, you wouldn't say they had "issues".

      Also the fact that the church outed my friend shows how little they care. Not that it really matters to me because as far as I'm concerned "god" is just a figment of everyone's imagination...it's just something people use to justify being scared of death. In all seriousness, the lights go out and it's game over...there is no god...so people's opinions really do not matter at all to me...I'm going to continue doing what I do and there is nothing that anyone is ever going to do to stop me =)

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Nicole

      Thanks QS! I agree with you 110% on your comment! I'm glad to see that not everyone is brainwashed by all the religious propaganda out there =)

      June 20, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • concerned

      QS,

      nice try to replace my words with your comments. I never said that.
      She is accepted. But her lifestyle isn't.
      What happened in your past to make you so bitter?? you're anger because the church disagrees with your views?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  16. JOSE0311USMC

    I'M NOT A CATHOLIC-–AND I DO NOT FAVOR GAY MARRIAGE...I DO NOT SUPPORT GAY PEOPLE ADOPTING KIDS. IS WRONG.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • sam stone

      Based on what?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • Nicole

      The fact that you don't support gay marriage is your opinion and I can understand that. But when you say gays adopting children is wrong...nope! I have some of the nicest gay friends that anyone could have! In fact, these gay parents are typically better parents then your average straight parents any day! Please provide some evidence that proves gays adopting is "wrong"...and please don't quote the bible or any other religious propaganda!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • BobZemko

      NO, YOU'RE JUST A BIGOT.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • enfilmigult

      So why, then?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      No one gives a flying fvck what you favor or support, they just ask that you don't take away their rights as equal human beings. So if you don't "favor" or "support" their rights thats fine, but stop trying to actively work against them to deny them a right you are freely enjoying, that just makes you an ignorant bigot.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • concerned

      Gay lifestyle is just that...a lifestyle.
      It is not the path of a healthy society. why do you think so many people do not accept it?
      Gay want acceptance so badly that they destroy the church, through lawsuits, to win.
      and in the end, you win nothing. you've destroyed it.

      No one is against gays. We're against being force feed gay beliefs that its OK.
      What you do in the privacy of your home is your business.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Polls now show that the majority of the US population supports gay marriage.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • paintpaintpaint

      No way, Jose, 'flaming' (screaming using all caps) is wrong.....

      June 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • concerned

      ahh, it didn't take long.
      if you don't support a gay opinion - then you're a bigot!

      No, you're just upset that the vast majority of people don't want your lifestyle flaunted in our faces.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • KSH

      Gays adopting is wrong? A child that is adopted into a same-s3x family is a loved and wanted child. How is it wrong to provide a loving home to a child who needs one? I read an interview somewhere that I think says it best..."There are no unwanted or unplanned pregnancies in a same-s3x couple. We have to go through so much to get a child that you have to really want to have kids to go through it and so you know that child is going to be loved and well taken care of."

      June 20, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • sam stone

      concerned: if you want a group of people to have lesser rights than you because they make you feel uneasy, then yes you are a bigot

      June 20, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Nicole

      Concerned, that's fine that you don't agree with it...I get that. But when you say "what people do in the privacy of their own homes is their business" Are you implying that gays should remain inside and quiet? Maybe we should ask all the straight people who are kissing all over each other in public to do the same thing...after all fair is fair. Keep the straight people inside their homes as well!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      @concerned – "No one is against gays. We're against being force feed gay beliefs that its OK."

      Your post is wrong on so many levels. 1 – It's not a lifestyle, a lifestyle is prefering to go sky diving regularly instead of deciding to stay home and knit. ALL available scientific evidence shows that people are BORN gay and have little to no choice in their s.e.xual orientation. 2 – You are not being force fed 'gay beliefs' but being shown a mirror so you can see what an enormous bigot you are and you don't like seeing your true nature, much like the bigots of the past did not like to admit that blacks were equal to whites along with all other races. 3 – It is Okay to be gay. This is not some propaganda message from the gay agenda, this is a simple, straightforward understanding that gay people are just that, people, and they deserve to be treated fairly and equally in society.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      concerned, Could you clarify to me what, EXACTLY, is the gay lifestyle?

      As I have pointed out before, I know a lot of gay folks. There are many lifestyle choices among them, including: Stay at Home Mom, Stay at Home Dad, Social Worker, Party Girl, Party Boy, Serious Student, Clergy, Soldier, Politician, Community Organizer, Health care provider, Care Giver, Devoted Husband, Devoted Wife, etc...

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • chalmus

      i think you are allowed to feel that way and express it to others just as much as gays should be able to marry. Protect basic rights any individual should have and still proclaim your feelings about it. This is America people! Let people have their basic freedoms and raise your kids the way you feel is right. And to the catholic church – we are ALL sinners/that doesn't change/ so why are you not banning EVERYONE from the church.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • concerned

      Sam,

      I don't feel uneasy. I just don't want their agenda shoved down my throat.
      I believe in marriage.
      The gay lifestyle is wrong. period. its not marriage.
      It makes YOU feel uneasy.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • sam stone

      so, concerned, does it make it easier to discriminate if you call it a lifestyle?

      how is it wrong, period?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • sam stone

      concerned: yeah, people wanting equal rights, how dare they?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Nicole

      Concerned, after reading some of your posts, I can tell that you seriously have some issues...

      June 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Light In The Dark

      A twelve year old marine ?

      June 20, 2012 at 4:18 pm |
    • concerned

      nicole,

      I don't have issues. I'm not the transgendered person mad at religion.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:51 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Concerned, just because you think it's "wrong" does not make it so.

      How is gay marriage going to affect your life? How is what 3% of the population does going to have any impact on you directly? What terrible consequences have occurred in the nations in which gay marriage is legal? How about in states like Massachusetts and Iowa? Can you point to ANY ill effects that have occurred in ANY of these places that are directly attributable to gay marriage?

      When do you plan to post an answer?

      June 20, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And I second the request that you describe the "gay lifestyle". What is it, exactly, and how is it being shoved down your throat?

      June 20, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • concerned

      mass debater

      I'm not deceived at all. Many TV programs want to accept the gay life style is fine. its not.
      no one is discriminating against gays. Please, in today's politically correct environment, gays are treated above the others.
      gays can say things that the straight community can't.
      You're mad because the majority of Americans don't want your life style in the open. Yes, the open.
      if the majority were in favor of gay marriages, why is it constantly overturned?
      the gay community has judges, lawyers, priests, everyone in high places working hard to make it acceptable.
      but you know in your heart - its wrong.
      and it being wrong - bugs the crap out of you! you want it to be right – and it isn't.
      You'll be happy to turn the world over to make it seem right.
      Its ripping our churches apart - so gays can be accepted.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "I'm not deceived at all. Many TV programs want to accept the gay life style is fine. its not.
      no one is discriminating against gays"

      They are discriminating against gay couples and their families. The U S Supreme court ruled that marriage is a civil right. Hundred of thousands of experts have proven that being gay is NOT a mental illness, it's NOT a choice and it CAN'T be voluntarily changed. They deserve the same civil rights as straights to protect their families. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 20, 2012 at 5:10 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You believe it's "wrong", concerned? Why? Because you interpret the Bible as saying so? Because your priest says so? Can you give any OTHER reasons for your judgment that it's "wrong"?

      Because your religious beliefs are irrelevant in a secular country of laws, as is the US.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:15 pm |
    • concerned

      Tom Tom

      You wrote:
      How is gay marriage going to affect your life?
      Churches would be forced to accept it. To conduct marriages. Pastors couldn't preach against it (hate crime/offending)
      What about my beliefs that its just plain wrong?
      And forget the black/white argument - even the black community doesn't support that argument.

      How is what 3% of the population does going to have any impact on you directly?
      You're absolutely correct. 3% of the population...and CNN writes about it daily.
      Every TV program has to push it...for 3%!!!!
      I can't watch anything without Christianity being bashed...and gays uplifted. for 3 percent!!!! (if that)

      What terrible consequences have occurred in the nations in which gay marriage is legal?
      Wow, who has it? Sweden maybe? What role do they play in anything?
      Amsterdam...so small it doesn't matter.

      Two States have it. so what, it doesn't mean anything legally.

      Can you point to ANY ill effects that have occurred in ANY of these places that are directly attributable to gay marriage?
      the beliefs of the majority.
      I'm called a bigot, racist, narrow minded - because I believe the Bible...and dare to say I don't agree.
      Do you think it will get better? we as a society are so politically correct, we're crippled.
      Marriages are dying out...that's never been good historically for any society. adding gay marriages only diffuses this more.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "What about my beliefs that its just plain wrong?"

      It's not wrong and that is the point and why you are called a prejudice bigot. The experts have shown that everything written in the past about gays were done by bias and prejudice people, that includes the writers of the bible. Heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Counseling Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association, the American School Counselor Association, the National Association of School Psychologists, and the National Association of SocialWorkers, together representing more than 480,000 mental health professionals, have all taken the position that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and thus is not something that needs to or can be “cured."

      June 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm |
    • YeahRight

      "What terrible consequences have occurred in the nations in which gay marriage is legal?
      Wow, who has it? Sweden maybe? What role do they play in anything?
      Amsterdam...so small it doesn't matter."

      According to provisional data from the Census Bureau and the Centers for Disease Control's National Vital Statistics System, 5 of the 10 states, plus the District of Columbia, with the lowest divorce rates per thousand people (of the 44 states, plus D.C., that had available data) are also among the nine jurisdictions (a group that includes eight states and the District of Columbia) that currently perform or recognize gay marriages. Of course, states with more marriages naturally have more chances for divorce. But the trend also holds up when one looks at divorces as a share of marriages. In states that recognize or perform gay marriages, the number of divorces in 2009 was 41.2 percent of the number of marriages. In the 36 other states for which 2009 data are available, it was 50.3 percent. Remove the outlier Nevada, the state with by far the lowest divorce rate by this metric (16.3 percent), likely due in part to Las Vegas's status as a wedding hotspot for out-of-state couples who may get married there but divorced elsewhere, and the figure jumps to 53.2 percent.

      In early 2010, the New York Times's Nate Silver analyzed state divorce rates over time and noted a similar correlation. He found a statistically significant relationship between states' gay marriage laws and changes in divorce rates over a five-year span.

      But the above data is from 2009–a year in which only two states performed gay marriages for the full year, joined later by Iowa and Vermont. And Gary Gates, Williams Distinguished Scholar at the UCLA School of Law's Williams Institute, a think tank that works to advance sexual orientation law, says that same-sex couples divorce at rates comparable to those of different-sex couples. Data from Massachusetts, the state with the longest track record on gay marriage, seems to support this. The numbers show that divorce rates in that state have not changed since same-sex unions became legal in 2004. Though it fluctuated in the intervening years, the rate of 2.2 divorces per 1,000 people in 2004 was the same in 2009.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
  17. Andy O

    Why is "M" all over this board? Obliviously someone is not using their time wisely. Another reason the government should be more conservative with unemployment benefits.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • JOSE0311USMC

      SOME OF US ARE RETIRED.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      I think you might have a spelling error there, I believe the word you were looking for is "Retarded"...

      June 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • JOSE0311USMC

      SOME OF US ARE RETARDED.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
  18. Ryan M.

    No. Of course, you ask an "ex-priest" instead of anyone legit, CNN. Of course you do.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • enfilmigult

      Should have read further.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • SteveMI

      Are Nuns legit? Because most of the sisters support gay marriage as well. Unless by 'legit' you mean, only people who agree with your own opinion.

      The article also devoted equal time to Dave Davel, who clearly is against Gay Marriage, but not a priest either. Is he not legit because he's a lay person?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • concerned

      wow, interesting comment Steve.
      How many nuns have you sent surveys to???
      Have you done a study of this??
      I'd be interested in your research!
      or
      are you just talking without any evidence?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • chalmus

      by legit do you mean someone who CAN'T speak a different opinion without being fired/ridiculed from the church?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
  19. Geraldo

    another anti-Catholic article by CNN, haters of all things Catholic. The Catholic Church has thousands of edicts, and gay marriage is just one. No one made a big deal out of it until President flip flop decided to come out for gay marriage.

    June 20, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Josh

      And most of those edicts are about theological issues that are completely irrelevant for non-Catholics. So, yes, CNN and other media outlets only report on the teachings which have impact on those outside the Catholic Church.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Joshua

      I agree, CNN tries to find people who dissent with the Catholic Church and give them a platform to try and divide. Try and find a similar article about individuals that disagree their Protestant or Orthodox Churches teachings, on CNN.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      The Christian persecution complex is hilarious, and Catholics take it to a whole new melodramatic level.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • Zill

      "President Flip-Flop"? Oh, that's rich. *cough* Romney *cough*

      June 20, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • concerned

      I agree Geraldo.
      But how else can a small special interest group (gays) get their way without influencing the mass media?
      the public is lead to believe that these articles represent major public opinions. these articles are written by gays promoting a gay agenda. a small group wanting acceptance from the masses.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
    • The RealBMac

      Wow.... Really? This issue was never brought up until Obama flipped his 'opinion' And you're allowed to vote?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • Fearless Freep

      Right, and we never had a defecit until Obama took office.
      Another idiot.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • DeTamble

      *** concerned

      I agree Geraldo.
      But how else can a small special interest group (gays) get their way without influencing the mass media?
      the public is lead to believe that these articles represent major public opinions
      ----------------------------------------------

      Lets see.
      I am Gay.
      I have a Mother and Father, 3 sisters, two brothers, thier husbands and wives,
      and thier children.
      I have a partner who has a Mom/Dad and sisters and husbands and kids.
      I have friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

      All of these people believe that i should be able to marry my partner.
      So when you try to push us aside as some vocal minority,
      We have a nation standing behind us.
      We are not words on a page.
      We are human beings.

      The Church may not be on my side.
      But Jesus was.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • concerned

      de tamble

      you wrote:
      I have a Mother and Father, 3 sisters, two brothers, thier husbands and wives,
      and thier children.

      Everyone has that – so, whats your point there?

      I have a partner who has a Mom/Dad and sisters and husbands and kids.
      I have friends, neighbors, and co-workers.

      Again, biologically everyone has a mother and father.

      We have a nation standing behind us.
      Not really, the nation isn't standing behind you. We're trying to work and get along.
      We don't appreciate the gay agenda being pushed on us constantly.

      Yes, you are human. That was never a point.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When are you going to figure out that someone who is gay is JUST LIKE YOU? That was the point, concerned, in case you missed it when it was flying over your head.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • concerned

      Tom Tom
      yes, she is biologically just like me...and every other human.
      that wasn't the point. her humanity isn't the question.
      If you needed that to be cleared up, I hope this does that for you.

      Its her choice to be gay that is being discussed.
      Yes, she is just like me...and every other human. But she has chosen a "lifestyle" that is morally wrong.
      her family loves her...which would be true of most families.
      Criminals (not saying she is one) but their parents love them too. So that's a weak point for her argument.

      She may be a good mother. But her actions are morally wrong. And as Tom Tom doesn't believe in Christianity and openly hates religion or faith - the argument ends there.
      We are a nation of God-fearing Christians. Yes, you can bash the USA for our faults, but I offer you to go elsewhere (especially the Middle East) and see the difference.

      Tom Tom hates Christianity...and its his loss. His bitterness can comfort him.
      Especially as he'll curse me, and accuse me of taking a "moral high ground".
      its his loss.
      Without Christianity, our nation is lost. You can see our weakening already.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:26 pm |
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      June 20, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • HawaiiGuest

      @concerned

      This is not a christian nation you moron. And that so-called "chosen lifestyle" is only immoral to brainwashed zealots like you. Keep whatever you think to yourself, and don't try to legislate your religion on anyone else.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Did you say something resembling an intelligent comment, concerned?

      No, of course you didn't.

      Gays don't pose any threat, you moron. If anything does, you idiot, it's zealots like you, who think the US was made for you and only those "like" you.

      Puhleeze.

      You're a joke.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:31 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      concerned the retard claims: We are a nation of God-fearing Christians.

      ____

      Since when? We're nothing of the sort, you moron! This is not a theocracy and it wasn't founded as one. It's not a "Christian nation" you ignoramus. It is a secular Republic. The Bible is not law here. Never was.

      Where did you go to school, connie? You should sue the Board of Ed for failing to educate you!

      June 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
  20. midwest rail

    In the long run, it matters not whether Catholics or any other religious group supports it or not. The issue will ultimately be decided by the SCOTUS, rendering state initiatives null and void.

    June 20, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I agree. And 50 years from now, people will look back and wonder what all the fuss was about, just as they do the laws against interracial marriage. The same arguments are being used today and they'll fail just as they did then.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • concerned

      50 years from now – if we continue on the present path – faith in America will be in major decline.
      Like it or not, faith (and marriage) are essential to our nation.
      Without them, our nation will crumble...as we slowly are now.
      Its decline of empires.

      But everyone would want us to think that the gay lifestyle is normal, well-accepted, and appropriate.
      Its not. the vast majority of Americans are too busy trying to live and work,
      but this lifestyle isn't accepted.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, so you have a crystal ball there, do ya? People have been saying that since the country was founded. They said it when slavery was abolished and when women got the right to vote. They said it when the court ruled on Roe v. Wade.

      All empires decline. So what?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • concerned

      Tom Tom

      Wade vs. Roe? Really. You know this an abortion issue. We've lost thousands of unborn children because of this.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • concerned

      Tom Tom
      Empires decline when the people lose focus, faith, and family.
      Don't believe me, look it up.

      You ask "so what?"
      I like the USA. I didn't like my children to enjoy it as well. We just need to return to God.
      I look forward to your reply.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • sam stone

      faith and marriage are essential to our nation, so you want to deny people who want to marry and raise families that right? makes lots of sense, in some alternative universe

      June 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • Hoo Myself

      concerned

      50 years from now – if we continue on the present path – faith in America will be in major decline.
      -------------------------------------------

      I am still waiting for Massachussets to burn in hell and fall into the ocean.
      You people need a new line.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hoo gave a better answer than I could. You people are just plain silly. Gay marriage isn't going to cause the downfall of this nation; neither is lack of religious belief. Get a grip, Priscilla. Attempting to withhold privileges from people and trying to turn this country into a theocracy is a waste of time and energy. The sky isn't falling due to either of these factors.

      Don't you have anything better to worry about? Like the economy? The environment?

      June 20, 2012 at 4:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Concerned, how dumb are you? Of course I know what R v W is about.

      Why don't you look up the causes of the fall of empires yourself? You obviously don't have a clue what causes them to fail if you think it's "lack of focus, faith, and family".

      June 20, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • concerned

      Tom Tom,

      I enjoy the discussion. You lack an argument, so you resort to name-calling. A sign that you're losing the discussion.
      empires fall due to internal corruption – morally and legally.
      If you have an argument, I'd love to hear it. But could you leave the name calling out, its boring to a real discussion.

      June 20, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why do I need an argument, dear? You are making my argument for me. It's pretty clear you've never read history, based on your posts.

      As far as name-calling, sweet cheeks, if you don't like it and you're bored, don't read my posts. I'll call you the names you earn.

      June 20, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • concerned

      @hoo myself

      by "you people", you must mean Christians, right?

      If you feel that the US is as morally strong as it was 25 years ago, then you are deceived.
      if you think that the present path doesn't lead to destruction...you are deceived.
      Will a State fall into the ocean?...no, but when you look around you, you won't recognize the country.
      But since you hate Christians, you shouldn't be surprised, right?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:32 pm |
    • concerned

      @Tom Tom

      Names such as "sweet cheeks" and "dear" are only indications that you are really angry. its OK, I'm not offended.
      Is it that frustrating for you to lose the argument?
      Have you read Gibbon's Fall of the Roman Empire?
      that would be a good case study of moral decline.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Angry? Hardly, honey pie. I call you that because you're so cute, thinking you have a point. It's adorable, really. Do have a lovely night, daaahhhhhling!

      June 20, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • concerned

      @Tom Tom

      Choosing a nursery rhyme character is a good choice for you.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'm ever so impressed with your approval, honey-pie.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:39 pm |
    • concerned

      @Tom Tom

      So you are gay, right?
      You're writing has turned gay by the references of honey pie, sweet cheeks.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Funny how upset concerned gets about names, isn't it? Poor thing. Must have been the target of bullies in 3rd grade, I guess. Oh, how sad.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "You're writing has turned gay".

      See a problem there, genius?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:42 pm |
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