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Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage?
Ex-priest Jim Smith, opponent of Minnesota's ballot to ban same-sex marriages, says these are difficult days to be Catholic.
June 20th, 2012
09:35 AM ET

Can 'true Catholics' support same-sex marriage?

By Chris Welch, CNN

Minneapolis (CNN) - Jim Smith is a former Roman Catholic priest who left his post with the church 10 years ago. He's an ex-priest for several reasons, he says, but one of his main concerns was the church's stance against same-sex marriage and other LGBT issues.

But Smith remains a Catholic - though he says being a Catholic who actively campaigns for legalized same-sex marriages can be difficult these days.

"I'd much rather this wasn't happening," Smith says of the division that the issue has created among Minnesota  Catholics. "But it does provide some real opportunities because it challenges us to talk to each other, Catholics talking to other Catholics."

Minnesota has become the newest epicenter in the same-sex marriage fight. This November, voters will decide whether they want an amendment added to the state's constitution that would ban marriage between members of the same sex.

Smith will be voting "no." And he has helped spearhead efforts in the state to persuade other Catholics to do the same.

A group he helped form,  Catholics for Marriage Equality-Minnesota, aims "to encourage Catholics to consider the profound sacredness of same-gender relationships and to defeat this marriage amendment," Smith says.

Vatican edicts against same-sex marriage often give Catholic same-sex marriage supporters the impression they're in the minority.

Related story: Same-sex marriage by the numbers 

But a recent poll by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) suggests 59% of American Catholics support rights allowing gay and lesbian couples to legally marry. One reason behind that statistic - says PRRI CEO Robert P. Jones - is because U.S. Catholics "overwhelmingly reject the idea that sexual orientation can be changed." A PRRI poll bears that out – with 69% of Catholics nationwide saying a person's sexual orientation cannot be changed.

In the Midwest alone, Catholics are evenly divided on the issue of same-sex marriage -– with 46% in favor, 47% against.

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Like Jim Smith, Michelle LaFrance is a Catholic who has also taken the bold step against the church in support of marriage equality.

"I remember thinking 'wow, maybe I shouldn't [remain a Catholic],' " LaFrance said. Ultimately they've remained with the Catholic faith, citing its many positive aspects including going to church. It's an important weekly ritual for LaFrance, her husband and their three kids.

"The Catholic Church, despite the media [attention] it typically gets, does a lot of great things, a lot of great social justice," LaFrance said. She noted the church "feeds the poor, houses the homeless, takes care of the abused."

The LaFrance family belongs to the Church of St. Margaret Mary in the Minneapolis suburb of Golden Valley, a congregation which LaFrance describes as fairly progressive. She says the majority of her fellow parishioners agree with her stance on same-sex marriage.

But when LaFrance hears the archdiocese telling people how they should think about it, she can't help but sometimes feel like less of a Catholic.

"I don't think anybody - whatever their religious denomination - whole-heartedly follows every single rule down to the letter."

Related story: U.S. history of same-sex marriage

On the other side of the debate stands Dave Deavel.

Although he agrees with LaFrance to an extent, he says he believes there are certain pillars of the Catholic faith that people should follow. One of those is the church stance that marriage should remain between one man and one woman.

"The whole point of what the church teaches is to form people's consciences," Deavel says.

For Deavel, his wife and their five children, attending church is so important they strive to go multiple times a week.

He's active with Minnesota for Marriage, which supports of the same-sex-marriage ban, and has written various blog posts on the topic for the Minnesota Catholic Conference.

Asked whether he believes a person can be "less of a Catholic" for disagreeing with the church, Deavel says the Vatican "doesn't really have a certain category for 'less of a Catholic.' "

"But they certainly don't represent what the church teaches," he said. "Is it a spiritual problem? I think yes."

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In a written statement the MCC said groups such as Catholics for Marriage Equality "do not have any right to call their organizations 'Catholic.'"

In the past, the conference has issued statements accusing Catholics for Marriage Equality of trying "to confuse Catholics and the public about authentic church teaching" on marriage.

"Catholics for Marriage Equality MN attempts to convince Catholics that they can be in good standing with the church and oppose church teaching about human sexuality and marriage, which centers on the complementarity of the sexes and the mutual self-gift of loving spouses in marital union," said an MCC statement.

The Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis declined CNN's request for an interview, but it agreed with sentiments expressed by the Minnesota Catholic Conference.

Does church doctrine make it impossible for same-sex marriage supporters to be true Catholics?

"There is no judgment intended about an individual's 'Catholicity' or 'Catholic-ness,' " says MCC spokeswoman Jessica Zittlow.

Minnesota's November ballot proposal to ban same-sex marriage isn't an amendment against LGBT individuals, say the MCC and the St. Paul and Minneapolis Archdiocese. Instead, they say it should strictly be viewed as an amendment supporting traditional marriage.

For ex-priest Jim Smith, grappling with the issue has been difficult - a personal struggle that extends to the heart of his faith.

The inner conflict between what Smith believes is right and his love for the church has pushed him to consider leaving the Catholic religion altogether.

In the end, Smith vows he will stay. "It's in my bones."

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: 2012 Election • Catholic Church • Christianity • Faith • Minnesota • Politics • Polls • Same-sex marriage

soundoff (2,849 Responses)
  1. bill

    the question should be, Should They? not can they. and the answer is NO. CNN and other liberal news medias just cant stop bashing the Catholics, they must be very scared.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Walter

      Technically you're bashing American Catholics since most of them support gay marriage.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • WDinDallas

      65 million voters, 80+% of Hispanics are Catholic....the Church does not support this administration in 2012.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Sam L

      They aren't bashing catholics. They bash people who claim to be catholic then break the one commandment Jesus said was most important above all others. You know the whole "Love your neighbor as yourself"?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • sam

      They read it as "Love thy neighbor as thyself...but only if they're Catholic. TRUE Catholic."

      June 20, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Free Your Mind

      What are they scared of ?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:03 pm |
  2. Marcelino

    Belive or dont belive god and salvation for humans its true and on the day of jugmen you and everyone will see it and its sad for those didnt belive and live the right way they are goin to suffer just for one decition belive and ur going to see god is true

    June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • derp

      Can you please type that in English?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • pk

      Ok. So if that is what you believe why don't you let those who don't believe live how they want to live and deal with whatever lies beyond this life when their time comes... Why do you feel it's necessary to force others to live by your beliefs?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Mary

      Amen

      June 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • fred

      Amen PK. Sounds like the catholic church has some thing incommon with radical muslims. They want to push their religous beleifs on everyone.

      June 20, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Free Your Mind

      I dont know any jugmen.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
  3. WDinDallas

    Whoo Hoo! More anti-Catholic propaganda from CNN.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      Whooohooo, another butthurt Catholic with a persecution complex who cannot stand the slightest criticism.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • HeavenSkunt

      Wooohooo!!!! another priests gets caught buggering little boys.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Free Your Mind

      Some people just cant handle the truth.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
  4. Carlton

    Let's see, Adam and Eve, two people of the same gender CANNOT pro-create (reproduce), and it takes both sets of tools to get the job done! The only people who are confused are those who believe what I just said is wrong, when it is so clear that it's right!

    June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      Oh, so you're OK with in.cest, just not gay s.ex.

      I see.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Tim

      If procreation is the goal of marriage then why do we allow women who have gone through menopause to get married? or sterile people?

      You have to campaign to ban those if you campaign to ban gay marriage on the basis of procreation or you are a hypocrite.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • Ghost

      Carlton,
      I would bet that two gay people entering into a relationship together already know that they can't procreate. So they wouldn't think you are wrong.
      But they still want to be together. Your point doesn't change that.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Sam L

      English! Do you speak it!?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Ron

      LOL Religion - Try not to be such a simpleton, no one is supporting incest and child molestation except the Atheists that pretend to be religious people that lie about it to gain access to children.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • LOL Religion

      Uh, Ron, ANYBODY who actually believes the Adam and Eve story MUST support in.cest. Think about it for a moment, would you.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • sam

      Did you miss all the incest in the bible? Because that takes some huge blinders.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Lucifer's Evil Twin

      Why are you so angry? Is that what it means to be lock-step with your silly religion? Be angry and bigoted towards anyone that believes differently than you? What am I saying? Your Catholic... of course that's what it means.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Sam L, you are a hoot.

      Don't bet on these dolts to comprehend what you post. You'll lose every time.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:19 pm |
    • Hammer Of The Gods

      There are over 7 Billion people on this planet and you are worried about reproduction ?
      By the way, if you believe in the Adam & Eve story, the rest of humanity is from......INCEST !

      Wanna talk about that one ?

      June 20, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
  5. yeahalright

    Eat it bigots...fewer and fewer and fewer of you every day. I love it. And I'm straight.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  6. Joe Bob

    No because everyone knows there are no gay Catholics. Get a new reporter this one is ignorant.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • sam

      LOL

      June 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • jamest297

      In fact, if you go to Iran you will discover that there are no gays thee either. That's per their President.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • KJB

      I truly hope that this is sarcasm, because there are LOTS of gay Catholics. They struggle with the idiocy of the pope and his cardinal henchmen, as do many Catholics. Individual churches, priests and parishoners do so much good in the world that many Catholics remain part of their congregations despite of the Vatican, not because of it.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  7. Joe

    Why not? It really would be any more inconsistent than most of the rest of their teachings.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
  8. alpg49

    Again, we're talking about civil and religious marriage as if they were the same thing. In our society, the boundaries are blurred to the point that there's no perceived difference. This is a first amendment issue. The state can guarantee the property/health care rights of those in a contract. A church can sanctify a union. The Church has no more right to dispute a state-issued marriage license than they have to dispute a driver's license.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Max

      Well said.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • jamest297

      Wish it were possible to give 10,000 LIKES on this CNN DISCUS forum.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
  9. Mary

    The Christian church, that is the one who follows Christ's commandments, and follows and worships the Creator, believes on all His miraculous wonders and seeks no intermediary but Him alone (there are no known Biblical intermediaries between man and God but Christ himself and alone). All other worshiping is idol worshiping and a grave sin, since the first commandment tells mankind we are not to make any graven images of anything or anyone on earth, in the sky, or deep sea below. Jesus is VERY REAL and HE IS GOD and he already came 2000yrs ago to tell dumb sinful hatefilled humans how to live and where to obtain their true wisdom. The Sacred Scriptures. If you hate Jesus and deny His existence, that is your choice and an obvious sign that you are not at all under good spirits but the antichrist is in you. We are all born sinners whether it is accepted or not. We descend from people who were sinful against God. We have free will to decide if to love our Creator or rebel at Him as most of the world which belongs to Satan. It was the devil who helped create a humanity whch is contrary to God's standards, thus we are on our own here in our wars. But not if you reach out to YOUR FATHER AND CREATOR. YOu have to repent from following the devil and rebelling and as explained by Jesus himself to Nicodemus: We must be born again to enter the kingdom of God. And happens when you truly change spiritually and leave satan outside your mind and spirit and dedicate your time and life to the Creator which lets you live today. Tomorrow if you choose to deny him and you die by accident you will never see your Creator but a dark pit. It is yoru free will. The Catholic Church worships the creation not the creator. It worships a man and not Jesuschrist. It follows doctrines of which Jesus spoke against and told us to beware of such doctrines of demons. The parabole of the Fig Tree and Testing the Spirits will help the blind get to see that the Catholic church is actually totally antichrist on all it does, it does it against what Christ ordered and it worships idols not our loving God. In the name of Christ the Catholic church has persecuted and killed millions around the world. Remember that parabole of the good tree and bad tree, a good tree (church that truly belongs to God) cannot yield a bad fruit because its Spirit is of God and it is good, but a bad tree can and will give you bad fruits because it comes from the devil who not only means harm but your death. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit and a good tree cannot bear bad fruit. You shall recognize them by their fruits. And the Catholic church and other forms of religions, fail the test. JESUSCHRIST IS ALL THAT EXISTS for we are puny nothings on this earth and deserve nothing, It is because of Jesus that some will have a chance at eternal life while most other rebels of satan will go to the pit. TEST THE SPIRITS and you can find that in the Bible. A book that was entirely written by 40 different authors who our God talked to in a span of hundeds of years and all prophecies came true and keep coming true. Arranged in order of prophecy, all Jesus dictated to the great prophets and of which all is indeed in history (sad day today seeing no one knows history), plus all the miracles and the life of Christ and all the witnesses makes a fool say there is no Jesus.There is more proof that not only Jesus existed but that HE IS GOD and the proof is walking thru us, laugh at it and HE WILL LAUGH AT YOU TOO...'not all who say lord lord I cast out demons in your name...will enter the kingdom of God". Woe to the naysayers and the scoffers and the wicked who come in so many disguizes and blast the Word of God and the Son of God, for their days are numbered and they shall see wrath, says the Lord.
    I hope you get on to search and do much research you naysayers because the day is coming when if you are found guilty of believing in satan and not loving God, you will be greatly affected for the rest of your eternity. for worse.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Joe Bob

      I would rather die then pray to their lord who believes that if you don't believe in my god the way i believe in god then by god i have the right to kill you. Christians, mormans, catholics, muslims all the same either your with us or against us. I am against you all i hate you all and i dont care i will never bow down to any of your religions.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • AndriconBoy

      "and he already came 2000yrs ago to tell dumb sinful hatefilled humans how to live and where to obtain their true wisdom."

      Yep, and they turned right back around and founded Xtianity.
      Gay-bashing, intolerant, child-raping, genocidal Xtianity.

      Nice work you did there, "christians."

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • snowboarder

      hate jesus? not believing jesus or any of the other purported deities is not hate.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • sam

      omg huge wall of text, made of crazy.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • jamest297

      I thought the commandments were in the old testament and christ had not yet been invented!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • pk

      Sin is fun

      June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Wanfuforever

      And she's fun at parties too!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Mary

      God is not religion. He is SPIRIT and only in spirit can you find him, so if you are set on your carnal nature ohhh well...I guess it is ok to fall off the precipice just because one is blind and didn't see. God is a benevolent Creator and our only Father. It is humans who mess it all up, nothing to do with God.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Hammer Of The Gods

      Just got done reading your "novel" and have declared you insane.
      Please google "horus" and you will find the exact story of "Jesus" only hundreds of years earlier.
      The story of the virgin birth and the execution has been around for thousands of years.
      Somehow it finally "stuck".

      Early man worshipped the "Sun".
      Somebody changed it to "Son" and the rest of history has gone to...........

      June 20, 2012 at 8:29 pm |
  10. Israfil

    Religions exist to adhere to divine laws that are beyond the comprehension of man. As we proceed into the future, people will begin to lose more faith in religion and its practices. Some or all religious values will be mocked at or ignored as people start to jump on the "sin bandwagon." This is clearly evident in our society and world today.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • yeahalright

      If by sin bandwagon, you mean logic, and rational thought bandwagon, you're on to something.

      Can't sin against a non-existent diety.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • jamest297

      Huh?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Bandwagon

      Religions exist to adhere to divine laws written by man for man.

      June 20, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
  11. jamest297

    How can they not? Catholics have been so discredited sine about the year +/- 700 that hey have no more high ground, moral imperative or leverage left. They need to start breaking out of their orthodoxy or they will be run over. Their intellectual basis for existence is at stake.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  12. Not All Docs Play Golf

    It depends on whether you are an Old Testament Catholic or a New Testament Catholic. The Old Testament is about fearing an angry God who directs Abraham to kill his son as a sign of his faithfulness, is largely a war diary of the ancient world, and is about judgement and retribution, and was written by many individual humans in the bronze age. The New Testament, shaped by Christ, is about love, empathy, caring and treating your fellow man in accordance with Christ's examples. I left the Catholic church long ago because of the backwardness of it's dogma, all the while ignoring priests abusing boys.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  13. Bob K

    I'm Catholic. Catholics don't think divorce is right, in fact, a Catholic cannot remarry within the church if divorced. The marriage must be anulled. Legally, a divorced person can remarry. No Catholic supports an amendment that would stop divorced people from marrying. So, why can't Catholics support a legal right for same gender people to marry, as long as they do not marry within the church?

    June 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Dave

      I agree with you. The only counter-point I have is that I have never heard of someone who wanted an annulment and didn't get it. What used to be a near impossible task (making divorce have serious consequences) seems to be a given these days.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
  14. Kevin Carroll

    Opps . . Sun does not.But who cares, Church will say what they want.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  15. joe

    you can be a follower of Christ without being a follower of the church.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • KJB

      Amen to that.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
  16. Mbane18

    As a Catholic, I have no probelm with it!

    June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
  17. maria

    NOT COMMENT!

    June 20, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • Joe Bob

      not a reply

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • sam

      Not a sarcastic retort

      June 20, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • REPENT SINNERS

      NOT some copy pasted BIBLE QUOTE apropos of NOTHING!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  18. Holding in vomit....

    True or not, don't do it, nor adopt children this way, it feels sick, nasty, embarrassing to watch them parade around your child's elementary school like this is some sort of acceptable behavior. Not to mention hearing them talk in front of there adopted kids iwith all the other school kids how they will be attending the "gay pride parade" ...man don't do that crap in front of kids..

    June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • AndriconBoy

      Oops. Hold on a second. You dropped both your Dunce Cap and your Swastika at the same time.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • fred

      Go ahead and let the vomit out, maybe it will get a little of the poison out of you.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • yeahalright

      Who's parading you close minded hatemonger?

      June 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • sam

      The poster likely saw what she thought was a gay person, once, and was traumatized.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • HeavenSkunt

      Well, since 99% of all hom ose xual children come from straight parents, maybe you should be vomiting at the though of straight parents.

      Idiot.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
  19. Ron

    This whole thing about Gay Marriage is nothing but one little battle in a much bigger war.

    Liberalism vs. Conservatism is what has been raging for nearly a century. The Atheists are working hard to destroy religion from the Western Culture. And Gay Marriage is just a way to try and do that. In the long run, Liberals want to dictate the religious beliefs permitted, and if Gay Marriage becomes a Civil Right then churches will be forced to comply or lose their tax exempt status in countries that allow it.

    In the end, the big battle is taking money away from all churches, especially Christian churches. Liberals and Atheists are so full of hate for anything conservative, that they will choose to destroy any hope of human need and human nature to support their own perverse and meaningless philosophy.

    June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • howard

      everything the libs touch goes to shi t any way. Most people in our country don't care if someone is gay or not. Do you business behind closed doors, but don't cry and moan when everything doesn't go exactly your way. We are talking about 2% at most of our population

      June 20, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • chrissy

      We don't "hate" your conservative values. We just don't want them forced upon the rest of us. We believe EVERYONE should be TREATED EQUALLY. Why is that so hard to understand??

      June 20, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • howard

      Chrissy. Forced? Who is forcing who? The liberal atheist non morals in this great nation are trying to impose their way. There are not enough of them to make a difference. They are just in bed with the liberal media. Its a joke

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • QS

      LOL! Conservatives...eesh!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
    • Max

      Please state your source for your statement that if civil unions are allowed, churches would have to allow gay marriages or lose their tax-exempt status.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • OutPastPluto

      You don't have to live in a theocracy in order to practice your religion as you see fit. Don't pretend like you do.

      There is really no conflict here. There is a principle of liberty and there are religious beliefs. The two do not have to coincide. This is what we get for living in a secular nation. Everyone can follow the demands of their own religion or opt out entirely.

      You are free to practice your religion but not free to impose your religion on anyone else.

      It's terribly simple really.

      Just don't act like the Taliban.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:36 pm |
    • yeahalright

      You can try all you like. You'll even have victories here and there. But to paraphrase Martin Luther King, the moral arc of the universe bends towards justice. Progressivism always beats conservatism. Progressive, liberal thinkers, activists, and soldiers beat slavery, the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, the Crusades, Jim Crow laws, Laws against interracial marriage, laws against birth control, laws against women voting, laws against black people voting, and on and on and on. And we'll win this war too.

      Hate away anti-gay marriage conservatives. Enjoy it while you can. Before long, you too will be an embarrassing footnote in history. Think long and hard about what you're "conserving."

      June 20, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • HeavenSkunt

      " and if Gay Marriage becomes a Civil Right then churches will be forced to comply or lose their tax exempt status in countries that allow it. In the end, the big battle is taking money away from all churches, especially Christian churches"

      Complete and total horse sh i t.

      Gay marriage is already legal in multiple states. Not one of those state can or will ever force a church to recognize gay marriage.

      This is just another false lie argument propagated by idiot fundies.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • sam

      Howard seems a little bitter and Fox-Newsish.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • holly

      so true!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • HeavenSkunt

      '"The liberal atheist non morals in this great nation are trying to impose their way'

      Really? How many times has someone told you that you had to marry a hom ose xual?

      If you have never been forced into a g a y marriage, then nobody is forcing anything on you.

      Just another idiot fundie lie.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:42 pm |
    • Wanfuforever

      Atheists are questioning and criticizing the Church, because nothing should go unquestioned. Problem is, we're finding quite a few things wrong, and that scares people because it means change and it means having to re-examine what people take for granted. Of course, being the Liberal I am, you already know of my support of the second amendment, support of Israel's existence, belief in minimal government, and that equality of opportunity is not the same as equality of results. But that's normal for the Liberal agenda- we're all alike, you know. The subject of gay marriage came up and...there isn't a reason to deny it. It is not a special right, it's the same right, that Gays gain the ability to marry detracts from none. As for the Church...why exactly do nonbelievers have to follow the rules of the believers? Believe what you want, but remember you cannot control other people. But..forget what I said. Stereotyping is *such* a time-saver.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:48 pm |
    • Light In The Dark

      LIBERALS – believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.

      CONSERVATIVES – believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

      -----------------------------------------------------
      Conservative values for individual liberty – toss that one out.
      Freedom to pursue thier own goals – toss that one out.
      Smaller government – toss that one out.
      Traditional American values – depends on who you ask – toss that out.
      Free markets – without rules and regulations they run wild causing more harm than good – (see Enron) toss that out.
      Strong national defense – Notice the word "defense" not "offense" – toss that out.
      The "American" government is supposed to look out for the betterment of its population.

      There is a battle for the soul of America.
      We are a nation of many religions, many colours and many nationalities.
      I am third generation Sicilian when my Grandparents fled Sicily during the Mussolini terror.

      I grew up in the "Woodstock" generation when people just wanted peace.
      The war machine does not want peace,
      there is no "profit" in peace.

      Who controls the war machine ?

      THREE STARS ++++++

      Washington DC (Pentagon/military)
      Baker Street London (Financial)
      The Vatican (Religion).

      Look at the American dollar bill.
      See that eye on the top ?

      The "all" seeing eye.
      Why do they call the Pope, the "holy see" ?

      Big brother was a joke ?
      The New World order is a joke ?
      The joke is that "you" dont get it.

      June 20, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
  20. howard

    THE GAY AGENDA! Running stories like this is NOT going to change peoples minds. less than 2% of the population is gay. Stop trying to make it seem like the only issue in america right now

    June 20, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • QS

      LMAO!

      June 20, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • AndriconBoy

      How we treat the least of our people is a direct reflection on our integrity and honor.
      If we can't respect our own, how can we expect the rest of the world to treat us any better.
      If we marginalize our own citizens, we can oppress anyone.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • sam

      You really have no idea how ridiculous you sound, do you. Every post gets worse. Stop frothing at the mouth and go mow your lawn.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • HeavenSkunt

      I hope Howard's boyfriend doesn't read this. He will not be very happy.

      June 20, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
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