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June 22nd, 2012
11:27 AM ET

Prominent atheist blogger converts to Catholicism

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – She went from atheist to Catholic in just over 1,000 words.

Leah Libresco, who’d been a prominent atheist blogger for the religion website Patheos, announced on her blog this week that after years of debating many “smart Christians,” she has decided to become one herself, and that she has begun the process of converting to Catholicism.

Libresco, who had long blogged under the banner “Unequally Yoked: A geeky atheist picks fights with her Catholic boyfriend,” said that at the heart of her decision were questions of morality and how one finds a moral compass.

“I had one thing that I was most certain of, which is that morality is something we have a duty to,” Libresco told CNN in an interview this week, a small cross dangling from her neck. “And it is external from us. And when push came to shove, that is the belief I wouldn’t let go of. And that is something I can’t prove.”

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According to a Patheos post she wrote on Monday, entitled “This is my last post for the Patheos Atheist Portal,” she began to see parts of Christianity and Catholicism that fit her moral system. Though she now identifies as a Catholic, Libresco questions certain aspects of Catholicism, including the church’s positions on homosexuality, contraception and some aspects of religious liberty.

“There was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth,” Libresco wrote about Catholicism in her conversion announcement post, which has been shared over 18,000 times on Facebook. “I asked my friend what he suggests we do now, and we prayed the night office of the Liturgy of the Hours together.”

At the end of the post, Libresco announces that she is in a Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults class and is preparing for baptism. She will continue to blog for Patheos, but under the banner, “A geeky convert picks fights in good faith.”

According to Dan Welch, director of marketing for Patheos, Libresco’s post has received around 150,000 page views so far.

“Leah's blog has gotten steadily more popular since she arrived at Patheos, but a typical post on her blog is probably closer to the range of 5,000 page views,” Welch wrote in an email. “Even now, a few days later, her blog is probably getting 20-30 times its normal traffic.”

Libresco’s announcement has left some atheists scratching their heads.

“I think atheists were surprised that she went with Catholicism, which seems like a very specific choice,” Hemant Mehta, an atheist blogger at Patheos, told CNN. “I have a hard time believing how someone could jump from I don’t believe in God to a very specific church and a very specific God.”

Mehta says that Libresco’s conversion is a “one-off thing” and not something that signals any trend in atheism. “The trends are very clear, the conversions from Catholicism to atheism are much more likely to happen than the other way around,” he said.

But while atheists were puzzled by the conversion, others commended Libresco.

“I know I’ve prayed for her conversion several times, always thinking she would make a great Catholic,” wrote Brandon Vogt, a Catholic blogger. “And with this news, it looks like that will happen. Today heaven is roaring with joy.”

Thomas L. McDonald, a Catholic Patheos blogger, welcomed Libresco to the fold: “Welcome. I know this was hard, and will continue to be so. Don’t worry if the Catholics make it as for difficult for you as the atheists. We only do it to people we love.”

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Libresco says one of the most common questions she has received is how she'll deal with atheists now.

“The great thing about a lot of the atheist and skeptic community is that people talk more critically about ideas and want to see proof provided,” Libresco said. “That kind of analytical thinking is completely useful and the Catholic Church doesn’t need to and should not be afraid of because if you’ve got the facts on your side, you hope they win.”

Libresco is just switching the side she thinks the facts are on.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Catholic Church

soundoff (7,475 Responses)
  1. Bob

    Last week at church we found out from the word of God what heaven is going to be like for those that accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour. This week we learned what the word says hell is to be like. One could say it's the same as do you want to remain atheist or become a Christian. Matthew 7:13,14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it." So in conclusion, if I am wrong what have I lost, comared to those that reject the claims of Christ and spend an eternity in hell. My challange to those out there that have not given Christianity a chance to read the book of John as a start. My prayer and hope is you will! God is a loving God but a just God that has provided a way of escape for us by what Jesus did on the cross in our stead. Make a good day!

    June 24, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • chief

      so does one love God for life itself in a humble thankful way or does one love God in fear of hell fire....

      June 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • jimdkc

      Really??? Pascal's Wager???? Sucker's bet!

      June 24, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Hey, Bob? Serious question, okay? You believe in god and the devil, i take it? Correct me if I'm wrong. How do you know that this whole thing – everything you're being taught – isn't a scam the devil is running – pretending to be god, warping the minds of the preachers and the teachers, clouding their thoughts.

      Ever think of that? The people that are telling you these things may well be corrupted – and they may not even know it, so they come across as completely sincere.

      Think about it.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • cdesignproponentsist

      The "word of god" was written by men. Men who were completely ignorant of almost everything we know about the universe today.

      June 24, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • JWT

      Your "god" is a petty tyrant and unworthy of worship by worms.

      June 24, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Bob,

      Maybe next week in church they will teach you about Pascal's Wager... oh wait, they won't.

      ( but you can still learn about what it is... Google it... if you are interested in reality.)

      June 24, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
    • What IF

      Bob,

      A little taste of Pascal's Wager's fallacy for you:

      - What if the real "God" is Allah, or Vishnu, or Zeus, or Quetzalcoatl, or any of the other of thousands which have been dreamed up over the centuries? Some of them are very jealous and vengeful and will relegate you to nasty places for not worshiping them. You'd better cover your butt by believing in ALL of them and fulfill their wishes and demands.

      - What if the real "God" prefers and rewards those who use logic and reason and punishes you as a silly sycophant?

      - What if the real "God" detests those who believe something just to cover their butts in eternity?

      June 24, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
  2. cdesignproponentsist

    CNN: "Libresco is just switching the side she thinks the facts are on."

    What facts? Christian theology simply has no basis in fact or evidence whatsoever. If it wasn't for the human mind's inexhaustible ability to believe crazy stuff for no reason, our acceptance and understanding of facts would have caused the evaporation of religion long ago. Libresco will soon realize that "analytical thinking" is anathema in her chosen religion.

    June 24, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
  3. LOL @ Atheism

    Few 100% true Reasons why Atheism is TERRIBLE and unhealthy for our children and living things:

    † Atheism is a religion that makes you angry, stupid, brainwashed, ignorant & blind.
    † Atheism is a disease that needs to be treated.
    † Atheism makes you post stupid things (90% of silly comments here on CNN blogs are posted by closet Atheists)
    † Atheist are satanic and have gothic lifestyle.
    † Atheists are misguided and causes problem in our religious & public society.
    † Atheists are mentally ill, that's why they have no faith.
    † Atheism won't take you to kingdom of heaven and paradise.
    † Atheism making you agree with Stalin, Hitler (Denied his faith later), Mao, Pol Pot & other terrible mass murder leaders.
    † No traditional family lifestyle, no holidays, no culture, boring and feeling 'outsider'
    † Atheists are angry, drug additcted and committ the most crime.
    † Atheist try to convert people over internet because they feel "safer" behind closet.
    † Atheists do not really exist, they just pretend that they don't believe in God and argue with religious people.
    † Atheists have had terrible life experience, bad childhood and not being loved.
    † Most Atheists are uneducated... No Atheists could run for presidency.
    † Atheism brought upon the French Revolution, one of the most evil events of all of history.
    † Atheism cannot explain the origins of the universe, therefore God exists.
    † All atheists believe in evolution, which means they don't believe in morality and think we should all act like animals.
    † The Bible says atheism is wrong, and the Bible is always right (see: Genesis 1:1, Psalms 14:1, Psalms 19:1, Romans 1:19-20)
    † Countries where Atheism is prevalent has the highest Suicide rate & Communist countries = Atheism!
    **Only 2-3% of the U.S. are Atheists/Agnostics VS. over 90% who believe in God (80% Christians) in the U.S.**

    † † Our Prayers goes to Atheists to be mentally healthy and seek their creator † †

    PS! the USA is a † nation and will always be. You know it's true and stop being ignorant and arrogant!
    (Take a look at our federal/state holidays, 99% of our presidents, blue laws in parts of the nation, the majority of people, some laws, calendar, culture, etc.)
    http://rightremedy.org/tracts/7

    June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Smurfette

      really? Oh, ok – I was wrong. You convinced me.

      well done.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • David

      I'm guessing you don't really know any atheists.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • chief

      like taking over someones country, attempting to eliminate them as a race, committing genocide on them, taking their land, and just because you prosper, you say its Gods will? attributing something to God that isnt, is blasphemy.... ask any American Indian how christian this nation is...

      June 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • phoodphite

      The Return of Carrie's Mom 2 – Electric Bibleoo

      June 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • bladibas

      Your lack of intelligence is truly amazing. I doubt you even have a high school diploma.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      Yeah... I hate those non-believers too. I really hate Muslims, because they don't worship the guy who tossed my butt out of heaven, like everyone is supposed to. Says so right in the 10 commandments..." thou shalt put no other god before me".
      Our god is a jealous god... so much for perfection.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
  4. ISLAM FOREVER!!!!!!!!

    Islam will insallah one day take over all Christian countries like America and Canada as it has been doing in Europe.
    Islam is the only truly religion and Muhammad (Peace be upon him) is Allah's prophet.

    Convert to Islam and be part of is. Islam means peace and freedom. It is great to be on Allah's side!

    June 24, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Nice try granny13!
      June 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Deb

      Nice try ....NUT

      June 24, 2012 at 3:50 pm |
    • popeye1128

      "Islam means peace and freedom." You had to choke on that one!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Okay – now you've done it – you've hauled out Islam, whose fundamentalists make Christian fundies look like the calmest, sweetest, most tolerant people around. Christian fundies simply say that you're burn – islamic fundamentalists fly that hell right to your office

      June 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
  5. Tell tale signs of an atheist

    1. You became an atheist when you were 10 years old, based on ideas of God that you learned in Sunday School. Your ideas about God haven’t changed since.

    2. You think that the primary aim of an omni-benevolent God is for people to have FUN.

    3. Although you’ve memorized a half a dozen proofs that He doesn’t exist, you still think you’re God’s gift to the ignorant masses.

    4. You believe the astronomical size of the universe somehow disproves God, as if God needed a tiny universe in order to exist.

    5. You spend hours arguing that atheism actually means “without a belief in God ” and not just ” belief that there is no god”, as if this is a meaningful distinction in real life.

    6. You can make the existence of pink unicorns the center-piece of a philosophical critique.

    7. You’re a spoiled fifteen year old boy who lives in the suburbs and you go into a chat room to declare that, “I know there is no God because no loving God would allow anyone to suffer as much as I…hold on. My cell phone’s ringing.”

    8. You believe that if something cannot be touched, seen, heard, or measured in some way, then it must not exist, yet you fail to see the irony of your calling Christians “narrow-minded”.

    9. You believe that priests are only in it for the money, despite the fact that they make less than almost anyone else with their level of education.

    10. Your only knowledge of The Bible comes from searching ‘bible contradictions’ in Google.

    June 24, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Brit

      ROFL... #5 is spot on!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Ah yes. The Straw man argument. Atheists like to bite young children in the head and feast on the goo inside. Atheists gave AIDS to the dinosaurs. We're a nasty, nasty lot!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • David

      11. The concept of God is childish and foolish. It tends to inhibit emotional development and stunts the intellects.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Deb

      Wow that's exactly how we see Christians, too.....keep your head in your bible so we don't have to hear the garbage that spews from your mouth.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • Tell tale signs of an atheist

      ATHEISTS TURNED ME INTO A NEWT ! ! !

      I got better.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • Yeah Right

      I really love it when Christians cannot come up with anything original, so they plagerize something Colin wrote, and replaced so funny material with really lame, clumsy twaddle.

      Let us know when you can actually think for yourself, buddy! And try not to be so comedy-impared next time!

      June 24, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
  6. Allan Paterson

    To try to make it short -I don't know if Ms. Libresco has listened to the late Mr. Cristopher Hitchens on religion. but if she has, which I think so, How can she not make reference to him ?

    June 24, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  7. Chrome Cobra

    First of all, I am an Atheist... 100 %. Leah Libresco sounds very UN-intelligent. She sounds like a teenage Valley Girl. I have NEVER heard of her being a prominent Atheist, because she never has been. Secondly, even if the bible/god/jesus/virgin mary christian BS was actually real (which is totally crazy to even consider), I WOULD NOT BELIEVE IT ANYWAY. My main reason is that the entire christian religion is based on A HUMAN SACRIFICE!!! I would NEVER BELIEVE IN ANYTHING BASED ON HUMAN SACRIFICE. Oh BTW, JESUS WAS THE HUMAN SACRIFICE and "god" SACRIFICED HIM???????!!!! Now's there's some morality, huh?.

    June 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • Jenna Orion

      Makes sense.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • popeye1128

      Really dysfunctional if you think about it. But you're not supposed to think about it.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Jenna Orion

      That's right we are not supposed to know. When you ask the hard questions, like where did God come from? Many will answer, 'those are things we are not supposed to know.' The answers to the mysteries of the ages that were given to me and written in my book explain what our true reality is and it makes a lot more sense than the things I was taught in church. I rest my case.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Deb

      Prominent, my gills, she was a nobody with no information for Atheism, so she figured a bunch of Christian radicals would put her on a pedestal, as their token Reformed-Atheist, and somebody would finally pay attention to her, so she went to the losing side.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:57 pm |
    • DearbornGuy

      Geez Chrome. Guess we could say you sound very UN-intelligent too! How about that! Glad you know her so well, you can read what is in her heart! Here's the deal. Human sacrifice, or giving completelty of yourself for the ones you love? Hmmm. It someone dies for their friends or family to save them, we usually call that heroic.

      June 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
  8. TheCapitalist

    Smurfette…
    INDOCTRINATION?!?! You complain of indoctrination and yet, your solution is to indoctrinate children with YOUR way of thinking. You hypocrite… it’s only “indoctrination” if it’s something you don’t agree with… but if you do agree, well then by golly that’s just intellectual and “tolerant”…

    "... i believe that education and exposure to and knowledge of other people – especially those with differing viewpoints and worldview – is very important."

    Do you? Where’s your “education and exposure” to Christianity? Ohh no in that case, your “tolerance” vanishes and suddenly they are “disturbing and dangerous”… hypocrite.

    June 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Eric G

      Ahh, name calling. The second to last weapon of a person who cannot logically defend their position of "faith".

      The last weapon???????

      Wait for it.............. Here it comes............

      THREATS OF HELL!!!!!!!! YEEHAAA!!!!!

      Seriously, you mistake hipocracy with inquisition. We ask that you provide verifiable evidence that your world view is based in fact. This is not meant as disrespect, but rather an opportunity for you to prove to others that your position is accurate. Are you offended because we ask for this evidence or because you cannot provide it?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy, I taught my kids to think for themselves and question everything that people in authority over them – including their parents – say.

      As for exposure to Christianity, i have attended churches, Sunday schools, read the bible, studied world religions, and mostly talked with people across the huge spectrum that it Christianity. and you know what – most of them are kind, decent people who live good lives, who are not intolerant, and who don't hate in the name of their god. But there are a few – the fundamentalists – that do. Fundamentalism in any religion is a scary and dangerous thing.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • phoodphite

      TheCapitalist...

      "it’s only “indoctrination” if it’s something you don’t agree with"

      Huh? Not necessarily. It can also be a matter of being taught something and where you are not supposed to question what you are being taught (regardless of how you may feel about it).

      June 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Deb

      @TC.....funny in another blog you called yourself Bill Deacon.....I know because he spewed the same nonsensical rubbish.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G…
      Stating that you are a hypocrite is not “name-calling”… calling you “stupid” or “insane” would be. If you meet the dictionary definition of hypocrisy, then you are a hypocrite. Similar to ignorance… which has been re-defined as an insult nowadays, but is simply a statement of “don’t know”. If I were to call you ignorant, you might get defensive as if it were an insult, but it’s simply saying that “you don’t know”.

      What is hypocritical is how you distort Christianity, yet panic at the slightest distortion of atheism. You insist that Christians “provide evidence”, yet you never do. You claim that Christians “seek to impose their beliefs on others”, when that is EXACTLY what you do. That is the DEFINITION of hypocrisy.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:22 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…
      When you say “fundamentalist”… you REEALLY mean people who have not adjusted their belief system to accommodate what YOU THINK they SHOULD believe, according to your standards.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Eric G

      Please provide an example of how I have distorted Christianity. I only ask that you satisfy the burden of proof outlined in your claims.

      Please stop avoiding the request.

      Please provide any verifiable evidence that your god exists.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
  9. Matt

    thecap wrote...

    "Creationists 'lie'?" Is that your position? You just make broad statements and hope that people just accept them because you said it? How do we lie? C'mon get specific you oh-so-intellectual and amazing atheist. Now now don't go name-calling... I know that's the default preaching style of you atheist zealots."

    Fundamentalists/creationists have no support for their position in the halls of science so they have no choice but to misrepresent evolution and then attack the misrepresentation.

    Here is a quote from the judge's conclusion in the Dover trial – the latest defeat of creationism in the courtroom.

    "The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the
    Board who voted for the ID Policy. It is ironic that several of these individuals,
    who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would
    time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID
    Policy."

    June 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  10. Eric G

    Belief does not deserve respect.

    Is there any difference in validity between the following two positions?

    "I believe in the one true god, and he thinks that marriage is between a man and a woman."
    or
    "I believe in the one true god, and he thinks I should kill everyone who doesn't believe in him."

    June 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
  11. Louis

    For those who believe in god I have some questions to ask you!

    If there are life forms elsewhere in the universe, perhaps in another galaxy or perhaps on other planets would they be Muslim, Jews, Christian, Buddhist or something else? How does Jesus, other holy figures or god(s) rule or relate to other planets and galaxies? Do other life forms elsewhere prey to Jesus, Allah, our earth’s god or do they pray to their planets or galaxies individual god(s)? Is Jerusalem the holy muslim, christian or jewish city for life on all planets and galaxies and why should it be? Do lifeforms on other planets pray to Jesus, and, why should they, in view of the fact that he presumably may have been born on planet earth? Is there a different god for each planet, each galaxy? Between the Bible, the Koran and the Talmud as examples, which of the many different items of religious fiction in the world should be the source of such belief?

    Are you talking about Earth's God or Gods of the other galaxies? Is Jesus the son of God on all planets or just earth? Do other life forms elsewhere prey to Jesus or to our earth’s god? Is Jerusalem the holy city for life on other planets and galaxies? Is there a different god for each planet, each galaxy? Is god on planet earth the same god as for other planets or galaxies?

    Does god or religion apply to the outer galaxies also?

    If god is unique to earth does that mean that the earth is the center of the universe?

    Why is god such a raging egotist that he requires perpetual words of praise without hints of modesty on his/her part? Modesty appears to be a word in the vocabulary that has no meaning for god.

    June 24, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Jenna Orion

      I believe she is half way there in getting the most accurate truth about God and our very existence. My new book, The Legend of The Nine, The Untold story by Jenna Orion has answers that bridge the gap between her two belief systems. The answers are answers to the mysteries of the ages. Go to http://www.JennaOrion.com website to learn more, there are several pages of information there.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
    • Jenna Orion

      God does apply to the entire Universe, there is no way to divide what is a whole. I received the information in my book from a group of Beings who travel to Earth in spacecraft who are evolve spiritually. I know it may sound crazy if you have not had the experience but I rest my case...My life's story in the book is 1000% true. I understand it is hard to comprehend such a wild statement because I am the biggest skeptic in the world, I argued with all of these experiences with these Being for years and kept asking for proof, always to get it. I finally had to believe it because there was no other explanation to the reality of what was happening in my life. Just recently they proved that they were real by manifesting themselves in full body right in my home. They didn't even set off the burglar alarm, so I know they didn't come through the door. Again, I rest my case, a true undeniable story. http://www.JennaOrion.com maybe you will read something here that rings true to you.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Jenna, go get some meds from Warren

      June 24, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
  12. jimdkc

    Just watched Ms. Libresco's CNN interview. She seems to me to be to be a pseudo-intellectual who is not actually capable of deep enough thought to make a rational decision one way or another!

    June 24, 2012 at 2:59 pm |
  13. Mike

    I just heard this woman on CNN and honestly couldn't figure out what she was talking about. She sounded like John Kerry saying, "I actually voted for it before I voted against it". She also said that Christianity makes more sense when she can tell others how to live their lives, rather than just be concerned with her own actions. Really? That's the kind of dogmatic talk that turns people into atheists.

    June 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • stimuli

      exactly. I noticed those very same things.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
  14. bladibas

    CNN is going backwards. I can not believe CNN spending time on Leah Libresco conversion. Sad sad.

    June 24, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
  15. Max Shimba

    Wise move. Creation ex nihilo

    June 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
  16. FSM

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUFUujSNpEU&w=640&h=390]

    June 24, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      LOL! ! ! It fits them to T, it really does

      Y'all should watch it, it'll give you a hearty laugh.......no pun intended!..... 🙂

      June 24, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Warren brown

      On 4-21-09 I was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit sent forth by the Lord God and literally turned into nothingness! I was in heaven just at the sound of Gods Voice! No fear no want no thirst No hunger No needs! A peace like the world has never known. Only a foretaste of things to come!

      Any way this is what God Revealed in His own words!
      In the beginning there was adam and eve and they fell due to their pride now there is good and bad in all the world. Good can be brought forth from the bad;now things are going to get worse before they get better! We are in the fifth chapter of a twelve part chapter in the history of mankind! There is One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church and every other church is an offspring from that. Now I have gone ahead and sent the Holy Spirit throughout the whole world. Now stand and open your eyes.

      God is my witness that these words are Holy And True as God literally spoke and revealed them to me. It was the time of pentecost "the outpouring of the Holy Spirit"as well Gods Divine Mercy poured forth from the Sacred Heart Of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as revealed By God "Our Father".

      June 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Fundamentalist humor – ah – I see.
      Do you guys actually go to school? I'm being serious. it's as if being uneducated and ignorant is a sign of superiority. Do you realize that the technology you are using to read and post to this forum is the result of educated minds? Do you get that?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Warren? Meds.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • Ahhhhh!

      PRIGM 1234 (the Dark Spectre) Laughing?.... oooh, now that is creepy!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:15 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Smurfette, dear, your "knowledge' has blinded your eyes and numbed your soul, so that you are severely impaired, not being able to understand the deep things of life, what it is all about, and the purpose of it, which should be otherwise obvious and clear to you!
      This short video may be somewhat amusing, but it does fit the people it was intended to describe. Apparently you're one of them!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      @Ahhh
      How would you know what is Dark and what is Light. The Blind can not discern!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • b4bigbang

      Excellent FSM !
      I was wondering when someone would give the atheists a taste of their own animated medicine.
      Only difference is, this one is so true it's actually funny!

      June 24, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Oh, prism – "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Looks like you're up the holy water crik without a paddle. Disobeying your god and all. He's gonna open up a big ol' can of holy whup-a-ss on ya!

      June 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Deb

      You amazingly create garbage, and we don't have a spare dump for you.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • The Atheist Tri-Polar Shift for those who don't have time for the video

      Stage One: When we Christians say something, athiests respond, but they use lots of evidence and ideas and stuff, and I am just not equipped to understand it, so it is their fault.

      Stage Two: Atheists use a lot of metaphors and similes and analogies, and I don't understand those either, so it is their fault.

      Stage Three: I really don't understand why I piss people off, so it is their fault.

      Basically, we Christians just don't understand them, so they are the ones who are stupid.

      Religion: The less you think about it, the more senses it makes.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      Behold, a Smurf turning a Parrot! "Judge-not-.squawk ! ! !"

      Evidence for evolution....Case settled

      Let's go home, fellers!

      Thanks for a laugh!

      June 24, 2012 at 5:07 pm |
    • Cq

      Fundamentalists are to Christianity what paint-by-numbers is to art. Robin Tyler
      🙂

      June 24, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  17. inanutshell

    She is simply using this to get her 15 minutes of fame, she's still a loser.

    June 24, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  18. Zargoth

    She was not prominent, she's no longer an atheist, & no one cares...

    June 24, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Deb

      .....CLAP.....CLAP.....CLAP....CLAP....

      June 24, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • steven harnack

      Hear hear! I've never heard of her either, besides that fact that I don't need to listen to other people explain to me what I already believe. If I can't be an atheist due to my own study of the matter then I would probably be as wishy washy as she is.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Yoram

      Another of many stories of a catholic girl meets a Jewish boy and converts. A grown man, let call him Newt Gingridge, maties a Catholic women and converts. She converted from free mind to rigid conformity, prescribed dogma, and communal identification.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
  19. TheCapitalist

    All man-made religion is dangerous, especially that crazy one that believes that if you put paper and ink in a room together, it'll "evolve" into a dictionary, and who believe that "because a dog's coat gets thicker in the winter, therefore we evolved from a one-celled amoeba."

    Those are very extremist religious fanatics and a danger to society...

    June 24, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • Nii

      lol

      June 24, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Capitalist – you HAVE to be a troll. You have to. No one can be THAT stupid, and uninformed and ignorant. And Nii, at least you make thoughtful and cogent posts – one hopes that you are "lol"ing at what a dumb thing Cap is saying, as opposed to agreeing with the sentiments therein.

      June 24, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • bubbles

      like the atheists

      June 24, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Cq

      TheCapitalist
      Who believes that stuff anyway? Your strawman's stuffing is falling all over the floor, my friend.

      June 24, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Jamie

      Please tell me you are joking. Right? Really? Paper and ink? My fiancé teaches elementary school and her students seem to know more about science than you. You are part of this "proud to be ignorant" American culture that has others countries laughing at our academic performance.

      June 24, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Mike

      @TC-that was funny. mostly one tends to pity these atheists but when they so vigorously argue defend their faith it is hard not to laugh at them.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • Cq

      Jamie
      Maybe you haven't heard the "Watchmaker's" argument for creationism. They really don't see the difference between manufactured objects and living, breeding organisms. Actually, no, I don't think that they can't see the difference. They know that it isn't a real comparison, but they use it anyway, and misrepresent evolution in many other ways as a matter of course. I usually don't like to insult people of faith but, in the case of creationists, I have to say that many of them lie. How they can do that while still supposedly believing that their Savior considers lying a sin is a mystery to me, but ... somehow ... they do.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette… Nope not a troll… just a born-again Christian that treats atheism with the ridicule it deserves. It’s funny how you people can dish it but you can’t take it.

      Jamie… Proud to be ignorant? And yet you can say “sky-man doing magic tricks” and what is that? Intellectual? Please… your belief system is a lying delusion and all you can do to back it up is make fun of others that don’t agree.

      Mike… exactly you get it. It’s amazing how they slander Christianity with completely false and inaccurate information, and yet go crazy to correct how you describe their “beliefs”

      June 24, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Cq...

      "Creationists 'lie'?" Is that your position? You just make broad statements and hope that people just accept them because you said it? How do we lie? C'mon get specific you oh-so-intellectual and amazing atheist. Now now don't go name-calling... I know that's the default preaching style of you atheist zealots.

      Where YOU lie, is how you insist that I'm "misrepresenting evolution", and YET, at the end of the day... evolution STILL can't explain "something from nothing"... and if you insist on relying on evolution as the thesis for the existence of life... my dictionary analogy very much applies.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Smurfette

      But Cappy (may I call you Cappy) YOU are an atheist as well, aren't you? Or are you saying that you believe in – to name a few – Zeus, Thor, Ra, Venus, Hermes, Anansi, Arebati, Tore, Koox, Pangool, Chiuta – well, you get the picture. If you don't believe in those gods, then you are an atheist with respect to those gods. Should I treat YOUR atheism toward these gods with the "ridicule it deserves" – using your words.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • Mike

      Smurfie-u are the troll as u have the gall to type pages of bunkum.
      why don't you prove your faith to us so that we can all be enlightened by your faith or lack thereof?

      June 24, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette...
      So what if you declared yourself to be the "goddess Smurfette"? Would I be an "atheist" for not worshipping you? Zeus is no different from a "goddess Smurfette", i.e., a false god. There is only one true God, and He raised Jesus from the dead.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: In your post, you make two claims of fact that require verifiable evidencial support.

      First, you claim to be able to identify a "false god". Second, you claim to have knowledge that enables you to identify a "true god". To make these claims without the presentation of verifiable supporting evidence is intellectually dishonest.

      If you cannot provide verifiable evidence that your "true god" exists, you cannot logically claim that other gods are false.

      As the old saying goes, ask yourself why you do not believe in any other gods and you will begin to understand why I do not believe in yours.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • Deb

      @TC...really we try, we're lame, uneducated, stupid....and your the one believing in talking snakes, burning bushes, giant boats, and walking on water. The burden of proof lies with the one claiming the existence of something. The Atheist does not have to prove something simply doesn't exist. I can tell you there's a hidden gas in the air we breath that causes freckles. Is that proof, no indeed. I have no proof. You claim something is real, now JUST DO IT ! the argument will cease and you will prevail. So set forth your proof your evidence...Also, you can't prove faith either, so don't try to twist that one in.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Hello, Mike – while I await the reply of Cappy (I'm sure we all will find it snappy) you accuse moi – MOI? (do you hate the French as well?) of promulgating bunkum, and ask me to prove my faith.

      Let's see – I would say that I'm blue, about 2 apples tall, and live in a magical village with a bunch of other smurfs. We have adventures – mostly fun, but sometimes we are troubled by the evil Gargamel.

      Oh, and I'm an atheist from the point of view that i do not believe that a god or gods exist, but i do not say – nor do i take the position – that there is no god or gods, as it is within the realm of possibility. As is anything. I consider religions – and all holy books – to be purely the creation of men, by men, and they are given claims that they are divine in order to attempt to give these writings further authority. I believe this practice sprang up with the advent of written communications – remember, this was at a time of great ignorance and fear of natural phenomena – floods, storms, earthquakes, eclipses – and these could be attributed to "gods", so as to further control the local populace. I believe that the hate and intolerance espoused by many religions – and especially fundamentalist ones – is very disturbing, dangerous, and causes -and has caused – a great deal of suffering and death. I believe that one does not need religion to act morally. I believe that many religions use what amounts to indoctrination and brainwashing techniques – get the children early, pressure, them, do not let them ask questions or have contact with outsiders – and that this is child abuse. i believe that education and exposure to and knowledge of other people – especially those with differing viewpoints and worldview – is very important. I believe that people have the right to hold and express their religious views, but they do NOT have the right to be insulated from the comments and opinions of others about those views. I believe that people are inherently good, but they can be manipulated.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:44 pm |
    • Mike

      smurfie-since u are only the size of 2 apples tall how did u come to the conclusion that there can be no God?!?!?!. No God whatsoever... those brain cells of yours must be the size of an apple seed as well 😉

      June 24, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy – i like the way you think: Goddess Smurfette. nice ring to it.

      Let's try this: god is all-powerful, right?
      God is omniscient – all-knowing, right?
      There is nothing that god can't do, right?
      God exists outside of the normal boundaries of time and space, right?
      God's potential and capabilities are far, far, far beyond any mortal man's comprehension, right?

      Are you with me so far?

      Then there is NO reason why god can't decide that he/she/it is going to manifest in the form of a 2 apple tall blue chick. the lord moves in mysterious ways, and it is the absolute height of arrogance to claim that YOU know how god thinks and what god would – and wouldn't do.

      Goddess Smurfette is exactly as plausible as any other god, including your god. And his son, Jesus. Who is really him.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Mike – can you read? Perhaps you can't, or you have a reading disability.
      I'll repeat:

      I do not believe that a god or gods exist.

      I am not saying that it is not possible for a god or gods to exist. Anything is possible – even your bible story.

      Now, before you run off creaming your jeans because i said that your god bible story is "possible", do you understand the difference between "possibility? and "probability"

      June 24, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Mike: From Smurfettes post... "Oh, and I'm an atheist from the point of view that i do not believe that a god or gods exist, but i do not say – nor do i take the position – that there is no god or gods, as it is within the realm of possibility."

      I understand that you pick and choose the parts of the Bible you want to follow, but please read a post before you comment.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Mike

      smurfie1 and smurfie2-now there are 2 of you ...4 apple sizes tall ....a combined iq level that 2 apple seeds can hold. Got it! Now, coming to the point what ia A-Theism? did you become something else in the course of this conversation?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G…

      There is verifiable evidence of the existence of my true God. For one thing, He came down in the form of Jesus and “God became flesh”. There were hundreds and even thousands of witnesses that saw Jesus and the miracles which He did. Even non-religious, secular sources such as Roman writers and historians acknowledged that not only did Jesus exist, but that He did do miracles (which they tried to explain away as sorcery).

      There is also the evidence of prophecy. There are hundreds of prophecies within the Bible that have been precisely fulfilled, attesting to the divine nature of the Bible.

      It is more intellectually dishonest NOT to believe the Bible, then to believe it.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Deb…

      The burden of proof is on you to repent and come to the Truth. I’m just the messenger. You should introspectively ask yourself why it is that the gospel strikes such a nerve with you. See my response to Eric G. for some examples of “proof”…

      June 24, 2012 at 3:07 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: "He came down in the form of Jesus and “God became flesh”."

      This is not evidence as you have not proven the existence of a god. Without this proof, your claim of action is still illogical.

      Your claim of existence, (and now actions) still have to satisfy their burden of proof.

      Please provide verifiable evidence that your god exists. Once you do that, then we can discuss the evidence you have to prove your god's abilities, actions and desires. Without proving that your god exists, all other claims are irrelevant.

      Before you attempt to use more biblical stories as evidence proving the existence of your god, please do us all a favor and google "Circular Logic Fallacy".

      June 24, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      You singled out 5 words from my post and did not address the other 100.

      The fulfillment of biblical prophecies is irrefutable proof... address that... do not gloss over it...

      Witnesses of Jesus is proof... a couple of witnesses is enough to seal a court case... hundreds of witnesses that much more... address that... do not gloss over it...

      What about the fact that the Bible stated the earth was round before Galileo ever made his discoveries... once again attesting to the divine nature of the Bible... address that... do not gloss over it.

      "God came down and became flesh" was like the introductory sentence of the substance that followed... the fact that you would pinpoint such a small sliver of my point, and ignore the rest... reflects that you do not have much substance to your argument.

      It seems that you've been getting by so far by making fun of Christians and telling them to "prove it" in an offhanded way. Well here ya' go... don't run away now...

      June 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Mike, you really, really need to educate yourself a little bit about what atheism is. The bottom line – a disbelief in a specified god. That's it. it's not a faith; it's not a religion; it's not a set of morals, or values. it is an intellectual response to the claim of another that there is a specified god. That's it.

      If you said to me, "Hey, i just saw Sasquatch – he's real", and I said to you, "Mike, I don't believe in Sasquatch – you're going to have to convince me that he is real", that statement of mine, in response to your statement, does not define who I am, nor does it provide the foundation for my values system, nor is it a religion or a system of faith and belief.

      You say, "Smurfette, there is a god, and he is real", and I say, "Mike, I don't believe in god – you're going to have to convince me that he is real". There – atheism. That's ALL that it is.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…
      “There is nothing that God can’t do, right?”
      No that’s not true… which once again reflects that you do not understand the religion that you rail against so vehemently. God cannot lie. God cannot violate our free will. God cannot be unjust… meaning that if you are a sinner who hasn’t repented, He HAS to convict you… even though He might not want to.

      "... it is the absolute height of arrogance to claim that YOU know how god thinks and what god would – and wouldn't do."

      Yes it is… and naturally I, nor anyone, can know what God wants in a natural sense, which is why He has told us what He wants… “He has given us the mind of Christ”. So… if I’ve repented and know the Lord and walk with Him and seek Him… then I CAN know His thoughts and intentions, insofar as he advises me of them. The Bible is a major source of how we know what God wants… which is why it is so important to acknowledge and understand the fulfillment of prophecies and the divine nature of the Bible.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy, there is no solid, reliable historic evidence that Jesus existed as a man. There were no witnesses. There are no first hand accounts of his supposed resurrection. everything after the fact, often centuries after the fact. And even if you could prove that there was a man maned Jesus who actually lived, that in no way starts to establish that he was divine.
      Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

      The earth was round – that old chestnut. The greeks had it figured out before . Climb a mountain – you can see the curvature of the earth. Stand near a large body of water – you can see the curvature of the earth. the moon is round – doesn't take divine intervention to figure that someone might have said, hey, if the moor is round, maybe the earth is as well. That is no fulfillment of prophecy. the prophecies about wars? Humans have always fought wars. I predict the sun will come up tomorrow!! If it does, was that a divinely inspired prophecy?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy, what does the term "free will" have to do with a god that says, believe me and love me or burn forever in a pit of fire. How "free" is that?

      God can create the universe but he can't fib? Why not? He cannot be unjust? In accordance with whose standards of justice. Your god is an egotistical genocidal maniac who condones mass murder? If you consider that to be just than you are as immoral as your god.

      This is why people are frightened of the rise of fundamentalist religious nutbars like you – you guys can justify any atrocity in the name of your god.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…
      Atheism IS a faith. It IS a religion. I am well aware that you atheists seek to brush this off and set yourself “above the fray”, so to speak. That is a tactical strategy… “while all of those religions down there argue about who is right, we are above the fray and have already figured out that they are all wrong.” It is simply a tactic that you use in order to try to set yourself apart and thereby ascribe yourself more credibility.

      Atheism is not new or “evolved”… it is simply a re-hashing of old pagan religions that taught that “we are god” or that “we are all one and therefore we are all god”. There is nothing new under the sun.

      Your god and faith is in mankind and its “intellect”, through which you will conquer nature, disease, poverty, and rise above all obstacles to become gods… that is atheism… goes all the way back to the garden of Eden when the serpent tempted Eve by telling her, “ye shall be as gods…”

      Atheists try to convert people with more passion then most Christians I know.

      The most fanatical religions out there right now, in my opinion… are Islam and atheism.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • Mike

      sorry smurfied have a confession to make:
      I am not as intellectually baffled as you are as it relates to the existence of God.
      😉

      June 24, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Cappy, "What about the fact that the Bible stated the earth was round before Galileo ever made his discoveries... once again attesting to the divine nature of the Bible."

      This is what the ancient Middle Eastern Hebrews thought the Earth and its surroundings looked like according to their Bible stories:

      Not a sphere, globe, ball or anything at all along those lines.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…
      There is more historical evidence that Jesus existed as a Man then there is for Cleopatra or various Caesars and various other historical figures, whose existences I’m sure you do not doubt. There are HUNDREDS of first-hand accounts of his ascension… no it wasn’t “centuries” after the fact… it was 40 days after he rose from the dead. Plenty of non-Biblical sources wrote about Jesus… Celsus, Thallus, Pliny, Cornelius Tacitus, Lucian of Samasota, Flavius Josephus, Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus… do some research. The existence of the historical figure of Jesus is easily proven, which is why even the most ardent atheists tend to stay away from making such easily disprovable claims.

      It is hilarious how you dismiss the prophecies and yet, it is clear that you have no knowledge of them. The Bible predicted the fall of Jerusalem, the kingdom of Solomon, the coming of Christ, the Jewish nation being carried away into Babylon, the Jewish people being scattered throughout the world, the Holocaust, the reformation of the nation of Israel in 1948... Not to mention over 300 prophecies fulfilled precisely by the life of Jesus. Prophecies like “not a bone of Him will be broken” or “He will be called a Nazarene” or they “pierce My hands and My feet”… things He could not possibly control.

      You are being deceived by the enemy. This is not a battle for me to prove myself right over you… it is a battle for your soul… and you are being sold a bag of lies.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Eric G

      Ok, you asked for it.....

      FULFILLMENT OF BIBLICAL PROPHECY: This is not evidence as you have not specified which prophecy you are referencing or provided evidence that supports your claim. As an example, the Egyptians believed in the god
      Ra because of the prophecy that the sun would come up tomorrow. Please be specific.

      WITNESSES OF JESUS: Please provide any other reference that Jesus existed and was the son of God that is not a biblical text. Or, you could google "circular logic fallacy" and skip this one.

      CLAIM THAT THE BIBLE STATED THE WORLD WAS ROUND BEFORE GALELIO: Actually, it was the Greeks who first claimed the earth was round. In about the 6th century B.C.

      All of this is irrelevant. You make a claim that your god exists. This, as with any claim, carries a burden of proof that requires satisfaction. You must prove the existence of your god prior to making further claims about your gods abilities, actions or desires.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      A Frayed Knot...

      What God says in His Word, and how the Jews respond to it and what they do, are two separate things...

      In case you haven't noticed, the Jews don't exactly have a good track record when it comes to obeying the Lord and maintaining their relationship with Him throughout history. Have ya' heard of their response to the 10 commandments?

      Based on your logic... the fact that the Jews didn't believe that Jesus was the Christ is sufficient evidence to conclude that God never sent the Christ...

      So... in conclusion... my faith is in God and His Word... not in the Jews...

      June 24, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Cappy, "Witnesses of Jesus is proof... a couple of witnesses is enough to seal a court case... hundreds of witnesses that much more."

      Hundreds? Thousands? Who were they? The blowhard tent salesman and PR expert, Paul of Tarsus, said "over 500"... some still living, yet he interviewed nor verified not a one. Today, those kinds of ads, claiming "*more* doctors prefer sehrtimintabs" are laughed off the airwaves (and I think are even banned in the U.S.).

      June 24, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • JWT

      You sure don;'t know much about atheism cap.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G…
      LOL… “I asked for it”… LOL… uh oh!

      I specified many specific prophecies in my post to Smurfette… check them out…

      Witnesses of Jesus… once again check the post to Smurfette… I listed like 7 or 8 secular writers who wrote about Jesus.

      I have provided proof… as the Bible says, “we have a more sure word of prophecy”… if you casually dismiss them… you are selling yourself short. Are you not displaying the Dunning-Kruger effect if you ignore the evidence in front of you and rationalize it away?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: "Atheism is a faith"?

      Atheism is defined as the LACK OF BELIEF IN A GOD OR GODS.
      Faith is defined as BELIEVING SOMETHING IS FACT WITHOUT EVIDENCE AND IN SPITE OF EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY.

      Sorry, my friend. Atheism is a religion like abstinence is a se-xual position, or bald is a hair color.

      June 24, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…
      No Smurfette… it’s not “love Me or burn in hell”… rather… it is that we are already headed for hell, we are on a collision crash course with hell because of our own actions. Sin is like a disease or genetic flaw that makes us incompatible with the environment of heaven. So God is not “going out of His way” to send us to hell… we’re headed there anyway.

      BUT… since He loves us, He’s thrown us a lifeline to save us in the form of His Son Jesus Christ.

      Think of it in terms of this analogy…
      God is a Judge in Court… and you are his daughter that was caught drunk driving. The fine is $3,000, which you don’t have. If you are unable to pay this fine, the penalty is jail. Now, can your Father be a just Judge if He plays favorites with you and lets you slide? No, of course not… He has to convict you. But right before He does, He offers you the $3,000 to avoid jail. You have the FREE WILL to choose to accept His free gift or not… and if you choose not to… you have no one to blame but yourself for landing in “jail”.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Cappy, "What God says in His Word, and how the Jews respond to it and what they do, are two separate things.."

      Hey, pal, you are the one who brought up Isaiah and the old-timey "truths" of the OT. You trust their stories of what "God" allegedly said to this one and that one, however, don't you?

      June 24, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Cappy, "I listed like 7 or 8 secular writers who wrote about Jesus."

      Every one of those writers lived long after Jesus is alleged to have lived. They reported what the new cult of Christians believed about him.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...
      You are making up your own definitions... and that is intellectually dishonest.

      Faith is NOT "the belief in something with no facts or evidence"... that is how your atheist prognosticators have re-defined it so as to indoctrinate you.

      Faith is the "substance of things hoped for", "the evidence of things unseen". If you have ever accomplished a goal... you did so through faith. Logic and reason and evidence is an integral component PART of faith, it is not opposite from it. For example... a "logical" and "rational" exercise and diet plan can lead you to have more "faith" in your ability to re-shape your body.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:09 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      A Frayed Knot...

      Sure I can reference the book of Isaiah... what the Jews did and what the Bible says are two different things... why is this so hard to understand? God gave the ten commandments, which the Jews immediately ignored and disobeyed. Based on your "logic", I cannot reference the ten commandments because the Jews did not obey them.

      As far as the secular writers, they did not "all live LONG after". A couple of them did, approx. 100-200 AD, and others lived in the 1st century while Jesus walked and Christianity took off. Many of these writers would remark on the seeming insanity of new Christians dying for the Name of Jesus instead of accepting Caesar as god. Bottom line... you can strive at the margins and nitpick all you want... but the evidence is clear... Jesus was an actual, live Man that walked the earth and was a historical figure...

      June 24, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Cappy – you appear to believe in the concept of original – "it is that we are already headed for hell, we are on a collision crash course with hell because of our own actions. Sin is like a disease or genetic flaw that makes us incompatible with the environment of heaven. So God is not “going out of His way” to send us to hell… we’re headed there anyway."

      So a baby is headed for hell.
      A child who is developmentally delayed – can't speak, can't see, can't hear – they're headed to hell.

      A genetic flaw??? Then tell your god to get off his lazy a-ss and fix his handiwork, because if he created people, then he created this genetic flaw! What is he – useless? Instead of this ridiculous "sacrifice" – an all-powerful god will send a tiny speck of himself to earth for an instant, knowing that the tiny speck will be right back – how is that a sacrifice? That's no sacrifice. When you breath out, then breath back in, did you sacrifice the electron on the oxygen molecule you breathed out then breathed back in?

      If god screwed up in the first place, just fix it.

      Your analogy sucks, by the way. A judge would be in a conflict of interest sitting in judgment of his own daughter. In your analogy, the daughter does not have the ability to pay the fine – it is impossible for her to pay it. The $3,000 fine is a punishment, not a gift. But more importantly, no judge is going to say, pay this fine, or I'll send you to the torture chamber FOREVER

      You follow one messed up god

      June 24, 2012 at 4:24 pm |
    • A Frayed Knot

      Cappy, How can you trust these Jews to have told the truth, then - ever? There is no verified evidence that any "God" ever spoke to Moses or any other ancient Jew.

      –and–

      "As far as the secular writers, they did not "all live LONG after". A couple of them did, approx. 100-200 AD, and others lived in the 1st century while Jesus walked and Christianity took off."

      100-200 years after IS a long time after. They were reporting hearsay.

      –and–

      "Many of these writers would remark on the seeming insanity of new Christians dying for the Name of Jesus"

      Oh, sort of how we decry David Koresh's "martyrs" and Muslim suicide bombers, eh?

      June 24, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • Eric G

      So, "faith" to you, is more important than knowledge? Is it more important to you that you think that you have all the answers or to actually have answers?

      June 24, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Smurfette…

      A baby has not yet reached the age of accountability, and so would go to heaven if he dies before that age. Even Jesus said, “of such IS the kingdom of heaven”, when referring to children. However, children ARE born with the CAPACITY for sin, a capacity that we ALL indulge eventually if we live long enough.

      As a crude analogy, think of any zombie movie you’ve ever seen. As soon as someone’s been bit by a zombie, they might not “turn” for several hours. They might still be themselves and rational, but, they’ve been infected by the zombie and eventually, they WILL turn… it is impossible for them not to. A child is like a zombie who has not yet “turned”… he has sin in him, but since he has not yet actually sinned, he cannot be condemned for it…

      God DID fix the genetic flaw in the work of Jesus Christ.

      And really? You’re gonna nitpick the judge analogy? You want to correct the “fine amount” based on where you live, too? You want to tell me about how you would be eligible for house arrest before having to go to jail. Talk about desperately nitpicking on the slivers of the edge of the margins…

      June 24, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: There is a fundamental difference in your diet and excercise example. I can observe and measure the results of a diet and excercise program. I could then test the methods on others and observe and measure the results for comparrison. If found to be a successful program that provides repeatable, desired results, faith is not necessary because I have EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN VERIFIED.

      Please provide verifiable evidence that your god exists.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      A Frayed Knot…

      100-200 years refers to just a couple of them… stop focusing on the one sliver of the picture and look at the WHOLE picture.

      Christian martyrs did not hurt others in their martyrdom, they had nothing to gain… which was the surprising thing to the government leaders. Muslim martyrs are sanctioned by their government to kill people in exchange for a reward of 70 virgins in heaven. Christian martyrs went against their government and allowed themselves to be killed not for reward, but because they were forced to choose between denying God or denying their life, and they chose God over their life. One is assertive and violent, the other submissive and humble…

      With the Jews… again… I don’t understand how someone can be so simpleminded as to lump all of them into one bowl. Jewish prophets railed against the disobedience of the Jewish people… as Jesus did. So… naturally… the Jewish prophet might say some things that are different from the Jewish people.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:43 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...
      Yes... you just confirmed my point. The diet and exercise portions are EVIDENCE that you can analyze. UPON analysis OF that evidence... you build your faith in your ability to get in shape. There is no evidence or proof of you already being in shape, because you're not in shape yet. You see your in-shape body in your mind's eye through faith. But yes, you agree with me on all your "diet = evidence" claims... that is why I said that evidence is a component part of faith.

      As far as demanding proof... you've ignored the proof that I have provided, and continue to demand more. It's like a child demanding icecream, not eating the icecream and then demanding more icecream. Finish your first bowl of icecream before we move on to the 2nd, i.e., address the proofs that I have already referenced... do not ignore them.

      June 24, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Eric G

      "Christian martyrs went against their government and allowed themselves to be killed not for reward, but because they were forced to choose between denying God or denying their life, and they chose God over their life."

      Talk about nitpicking.........

      First, google "Crusades", then google "hypocrite".

      June 24, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Eric G

      I do not have "faith" in the excercise program. It requires no faith, only evidence.

      The reason I ask for evidence is because evidencial support is only valid if it is verifiable. You have provided examples of your evidence and I have asked you to verify them. You refuse to do so.

      Perhaps we are of differing minds on the distinction between faith and knowledge, and how evidence fits into the equation. Lets try a hypothetical situation that may help me better understand where you are coming from.

      Let's say that hypothetically, you are in a room with a big box on the floor. In that box is verifiable, indisputable and demonstrative evidence that will either prove or disprove the existence of your god. Would you look into the box?

      June 24, 2012 at 5:01 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...
      You should google the Crusades... maybe you'll find out that Christians were the victims of the Crusades, at the hands of Catholics and Muslims. And it's hilarious how you dig back 1,000 years to reference fake "christian atrocities" while right here in the 20th century, atheism has killed millions of people... Mao's China, Hitler's Germany (eugenics, science, evolution... "building a better man"), Castro's Cuba, Kim's North Korea, Stalin's Russia... the "harm done by religion" pales in comparison to the harm done by atheism/godlessness...

      June 24, 2012 at 5:06 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Eric G...

      I have looked into the box. You refuse to look into the box.

      Whatever verifiable evidence you can claim about how the exercise program worked for others, you have NO evidence about how it'll work for you. You will only embark on that routine if you FAITH in its POTENTIAL to whip you into shape.

      June 24, 2012 at 5:09 pm |
    • Eric G

      @Capitalist: You must be new here. Hitler was a Catholic, N. Koreans worship their leader (which makes them believers), Mao and Castro are Communist (which is a form of government, not belief) and so on................

      If you looked in the box, you have no faith. Looking in the box means that you needed to KNOW, because belief was not enough for you. You required EVIDENCE TO CONFIRM KNOWLEDGE. Do you understand now?

      June 24, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
    • Cq

      TheCapitalist
      Basically everything that creationists claim is a fault to evolution science is a lie. From "No transitional fossils" to "Humans evolved from monkeys". The Cambrian Explosion being represented as something like a magician's slight of hand instead of something lasting millions of years. That organic chemicals don't arise spontaneously in nature. That evolution being a "theory" means that it's just a wild guess. That evolution can not be replicated. Evolution is a religion. Human footprints have been found with dinosaur tracks at Paluxy. The second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution. Darwin recanted on his deathbed. Evolution requires as much faith as creationism. Evolution says that the first life arose by chance. ...

      And on, and on. All of these things are easily debunked by anyone with even a basic knowledge of actual evolution theory, and one assumes that the creationist "experts" do have this knowledge because they would have to be utterly stupid to come up with this stuff by innocent mistake. Sorry, but that is the simple truth of it. They know that they cannot criticize the actual science, so they have created this misconception and that is what they pass off as evolution to believers. Pure propaganda of the most malicious kind. These things have been explained time and time again, but yet all you do is close your minds and go la la la la, and train your followers to deny, deny, deny.

      When sheets of paper breed little sticky notes your analogy would begin to make sense. Nowhere in evolution science does the concept of "something from nothing" appear. That's a religious concept used to describe how YHWH supposedly "popped" everything into existence, out of nothing, not even thin air.

      If anything, I feel sad for believers who choose to become creationists because it really does force them to lie in order to protect a belief that cannot be defended logically. You may think that you're doing it for the better good, but it is only harming your credibility.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:44 am |
  20. John

    Why is an article on CNN being written about an unknown blogger who only got 5,000 views before her supposed conversion?

    June 24, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • Nii

      Here alone she has racked up 4490. I don't think u get as much per day!

      June 24, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • Wayne

      The only reason she is now being covered is because she converted. She was unknown before that.

      June 24, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Curious

      Furthermore, why has a news story been written (and shown on national television) about a conversion from atheism to catholicism but not vice versa? It almost seems that CNN is picking and choosing stories to promote its viewpoint. What happened to being impartial?

      June 24, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
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