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June 22nd, 2012
11:27 AM ET

Prominent atheist blogger converts to Catholicism

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – She went from atheist to Catholic in just over 1,000 words.

Leah Libresco, who’d been a prominent atheist blogger for the religion website Patheos, announced on her blog this week that after years of debating many “smart Christians,” she has decided to become one herself, and that she has begun the process of converting to Catholicism.

Libresco, who had long blogged under the banner “Unequally Yoked: A geeky atheist picks fights with her Catholic boyfriend,” said that at the heart of her decision were questions of morality and how one finds a moral compass.

“I had one thing that I was most certain of, which is that morality is something we have a duty to,” Libresco told CNN in an interview this week, a small cross dangling from her neck. “And it is external from us. And when push came to shove, that is the belief I wouldn’t let go of. And that is something I can’t prove.”

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According to a Patheos post she wrote on Monday, entitled “This is my last post for the Patheos Atheist Portal,” she began to see parts of Christianity and Catholicism that fit her moral system. Though she now identifies as a Catholic, Libresco questions certain aspects of Catholicism, including the church’s positions on homosexuality, contraception and some aspects of religious liberty.

“There was one religion that seemed like the most promising way to reach back to that living Truth,” Libresco wrote about Catholicism in her conversion announcement post, which has been shared over 18,000 times on Facebook. “I asked my friend what he suggests we do now, and we prayed the night office of the Liturgy of the Hours together.”

At the end of the post, Libresco announces that she is in a Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults class and is preparing for baptism. She will continue to blog for Patheos, but under the banner, “A geeky convert picks fights in good faith.”

According to Dan Welch, director of marketing for Patheos, Libresco’s post has received around 150,000 page views so far.

“Leah's blog has gotten steadily more popular since she arrived at Patheos, but a typical post on her blog is probably closer to the range of 5,000 page views,” Welch wrote in an email. “Even now, a few days later, her blog is probably getting 20-30 times its normal traffic.”

Libresco’s announcement has left some atheists scratching their heads.

“I think atheists were surprised that she went with Catholicism, which seems like a very specific choice,” Hemant Mehta, an atheist blogger at Patheos, told CNN. “I have a hard time believing how someone could jump from I don’t believe in God to a very specific church and a very specific God.”

Mehta says that Libresco’s conversion is a “one-off thing” and not something that signals any trend in atheism. “The trends are very clear, the conversions from Catholicism to atheism are much more likely to happen than the other way around,” he said.

But while atheists were puzzled by the conversion, others commended Libresco.

“I know I’ve prayed for her conversion several times, always thinking she would make a great Catholic,” wrote Brandon Vogt, a Catholic blogger. “And with this news, it looks like that will happen. Today heaven is roaring with joy.”

Thomas L. McDonald, a Catholic Patheos blogger, welcomed Libresco to the fold: “Welcome. I know this was hard, and will continue to be so. Don’t worry if the Catholics make it as for difficult for you as the atheists. We only do it to people we love.”

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Libresco says one of the most common questions she has received is how she'll deal with atheists now.

“The great thing about a lot of the atheist and skeptic community is that people talk more critically about ideas and want to see proof provided,” Libresco said. “That kind of analytical thinking is completely useful and the Catholic Church doesn’t need to and should not be afraid of because if you’ve got the facts on your side, you hope they win.”

Libresco is just switching the side she thinks the facts are on.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Atheism • Catholic Church

soundoff (7,475 Responses)
  1. skb8721

    It's her choice, of course, but: Why didn't she try agnosticism first? No need to go from one extreme to the other.

    June 24, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Her boyfriend is Catholic,...big surprise

      June 24, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • The Bird Is The Word

      How is it possible to choose what to believe? I mean without self deception. Real belief can't be turned on or off. That's what too many Christisnans can't seem to understand – How can one reject a god one doesn't believe exists? Impossible.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Bird. You are exactly correct but the whole Christian dogma is based on the fallacy that it is a choice.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
  2. TheCapitalist

    Maybe I'm possessed by Satan! Or, possibly Santa – dyslexia, doncha know!

    June 24, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
  3. TheCapitalist

    Jack and Jill went up the hill'
    To fetch pail of water
    Jack fell down and broke his crown
    And died a horrible, painful unnecessary death because Jill was a fundie phucktard cut from the same cloth as TheCapitalist who prayed instead of calling 911

    June 24, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
  4. TheCapitalist

    The Capitalist from Nantucket
    When faced with true facts he said phuck it
    I'll take comfort in fibs
    About women from ribs
    And if I see logic I'll duck it

    June 24, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
  5. TheCapitalist

    Jesus walks into a hotel, puts some spikes down on the reception desk, says to the manager, "Hey, can you put me up for the night"

    June 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      This guy's trolling and pretending to be me... pitiful.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:24 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      NAILED IT!!!

      June 24, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  6. The Bird Is The Word

    The Christian god sits on his throne
    While his children all weep, wail, and moan
    He likes to do slaughter
    Much more than he ought'er
    But why? 'Cause it gives him a bone.

    June 24, 2012 at 11:18 pm |
  7. TheCapitalist

    Twinkle twinkle little star
    How I wonder what you are
    Didn't learn 'bout you in school
    Atheists now think me the fool
    Twinkle twinkle little star
    Grade two – come on! That's pretty far

    June 24, 2012 at 11:13 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Looks like CapAss is having a nervous breakdown. I expect he will be claiming a visitation from mary or jesus soon, or a miraculous healing. If a healing, want to bet it won't be a restored amputation?

      June 24, 2012 at 11:20 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      That's just a troll HotAirAce... you know better.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Sorry, I have no good way to differentiate between levels of insanity.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:25 pm |
  8. TheCapitalist

    Oh lord, wontcha buy me
    A shiny new brain
    The atheist logic
    Is causing a strain
    On my silly fables
    With truth? Not a grain!
    So Lord, wontcha buy me
    A shiny new brain

    June 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Nope...a bag of paint chips.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Oh lord, wontcha buy me
      A bag of paint chips
      To paint the outside of
      My fleet of space ships
      IMy mental pro-cessors
      Have too many slips
      So Lord, wontcha buy me
      A bag of paint chips

      June 24, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      O lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz...

      June 24, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Oh lord, wontcha buy me
      A Mercedes Benz
      I am a big pastor
      Dollars are my friends
      I pray that my scamming
      Well it never ends
      So Lord, wontcha buy me
      A Mercedes Benz

      On second thought, I make enough from this racket to by a fleet of cars.

      oh, yeah- and Jesus loves you. really

      June 25, 2012 at 12:05 am |
  9. TheCapitalist

    Rick James, HotAirAce, JustClaimsNoTruth...

    Which historical figure does this statement describe?

    "Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opens not his mouth."

    Humor me...

    June 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Rick James

      You mean Jesus? He did all of that for me? Wow what a guy. And to think, he only cut my grass last week.....

      June 24, 2012 at 11:08 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Now all you have to do is prove your alledged historical figure actually existed, was divine and did the things you claim.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Al

      I'll take a stab. David Koresh?

      June 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      OK... so even you guys, as atheists... know who this describes... Jesus...

      This is from the book of Isaiah, a copy of which currently sits in a museum in Jerusalem, and which is dated 800 years prior to the life of Jesus.

      How can someone 2,800 years ago, write about a Man who lived 2,000 years ago, so precisely; and we, in present times, can 100% identify who he was writing about?

      Furthermore, how is it that these words can only apply to one Person in the entire history of the world...

      June 24, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      I suggest you start connecting the two stories 'cause no one to date has done so conclusively.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:23 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      HotAirAce...

      Yes it has been conclusively connected. The atheists are lying to you. There are over 300 such prophecies just on Jesus alone.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Lindsay Lohan and her Dancing Chickens ! ! !

      I KNOW ! ! ! I KNOW ! ! ! Oooooh! Pick me, Mr. Kotter! Pick me!

      It's . . . Barry Manilow ! ! !

      June 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Think-About It

      Those are surely some powerful words in those Scriptures. They are about Christ, written long time before He was ever born. You should read the rest (in Isaiah 53). Fools take them lightly and make jokes about them! I believe that when a person does this, if they leave this world unrepeated, they'll hear those words over and over again and the echo of their laughter and mockeries will torment them throughout eternity. But just remember this is not God's doing .... it is your own!
      Don't just shrub it off! THINK ABOUT IT!

      June 24, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      I went to McDonald's and ordered a cheeseburger, I then made a prophacy.....that I would get a cheeseburger....and I was RIGHT.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Think, I've started thinking , and i might have been wrong about that whole scriptures and prophecy thing. I mean, the prophecies aren't very clear, are they? It's all just a matter of interpretation. Guess I was wrong.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      correction ******** if they leave this world UNREPENTED

      June 24, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Re: 300 fulfilled prophecies, list them with authoritative independent certifications. Marilyn Agee is not authorities.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Rick James

      Think, the majority of people that have lived on this earth didn't believe in Christ. Why would God send people before Jesus came to hell? Why would a God care if you worshiped him or not? To me God is nothing more that a narcissistic sadist.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      Rick, it is better to be honest and frustrated about not having the answers, then decisively claim to have them, and not be willing to admit you really don't..... We don't have all the answers.
      There is not one single true Christian that hasn't wrestled with some questions about God. But if we are humble before Him, and our hearts long to know Him, He will not always give us ALL the answers, but He will assure us about His character, that even when we don't see the whole picture, He is the one who holds every piece of the puzzle, and He knows where they go.... He also assures us with the promise that when we see Him we will know as we are known by Him.

      Now, as for your questions, about people before Christ... No, they did not all go to Hell. Those whose hearts were after God, were saved by trusting in Him and obeying His laws. Even though Christ didn't come yet, through trusting in God, they were redeemed "on borrowed time" by the sacrifice He did for them also, as well as for us. God is the LORD of Past, Present and Future, so satan could not get those who trusted God on legalities!

      And then you said, why would God care if we worship Him or not....
      The problem is again, not understanding the nature of God. He is our FATHER., our parent. Take example in a earthly father. A good father dearly loves his child. He will do anything for his child's hapiness. But he demands respect and obedience, and he desires from his child honesty anf trust. He knows that his child needs him, and wants to teach him how to live, so that later he would be a man of honor to teach his own children the same qualities he was taught. He hates rebellion and disobedience, but he is forgiving when his child falls and sincerely repents, asking his help to change bad behavior. He counsels his child, and hoovers over him, watching and directing.... He delights in his child's devotion and love for him. And when he overhears his child saying to someone "my dad is the greatest dad in whole world. I want to be like my dad" it is the greatest gift that this child could give him. He seals those words in his heart, and he never ceases thinking about them...He is the happiest man on earth!
      Do you see the connection, Rick? God has given us earthly parents to teach us about himself! Do you recognize this? It's so plain and obvious. We are not animals, we were made into His image, we were made to know Him.
      He is not a tyrant, He is not a narcissistic sadist. He is our Father, creator who loves us and wants to be loved by us. He is a PERSONAL God, not an impersonal "deity' somewhere in the wast universe with a stick waving at us when we stumble! It is Satan, the father of lies that paints this picture of God in people's minds, to keep them separated from Him. Because he knows that if he can discredit God by throwing mud at his character, and make men take in his lies, he has separated them from only hope they have. Because without Christ we all are LOST and without hope. There is no other name under the heavens by which man can be saved. This is not a popular message, but nevertheless is the only true message.
      We live in a democracy where people decide ( at least they are supposed to) what will become law of the land. And because we can choose what we think is right, we'll call it right, but it may not be.... But with God we don't vote. HE is God, He is the One who created us, He sets the standard. That's why so many don't want to submit to God's Lordship, because they choose to be their own God.
      But Blessed are those who humble themselves, and come with broken and contrite hearts to Him, asking Him to reveal Himself to them. He said this: You shall seek me and find me, if you search for me with ALL YOUR HEART... no pretense, no self seeking, no thrill-seeking, no fleshly curiosity, no substi-tu-te. Only Christ, the revelation of God's mercy and love, crucified for our sins, washing us clean, clothing us with the garment of salvation purchased by His blood. And then He says, take up your cross and follow me. Why? Because if He suffered we will too, if He was rejected, we will be too, if He rose from the dead, we will too.... So, if we were born of Him anew, by the power of His Spirit who made our spirit alive, then we cry out in our hearts, longing together with apostle Paul with same words:
      " ....But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death.."

      For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself" (Philippians 3)
      I hope the what I have written here will give you a glimpse of why we who believe in God have faith in Him in a way that the world will never understand. Because it is God who draws us to Himself, and reveals Himself by His Holy Spirit, who bears witness in our spirit what the Truth is. And He settles it in our hearts forever!

      Thanks for allowing me to speak those things to you!

      June 25, 2012 at 1:20 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Think,

      For someone who starts by saying you don't have all the answers you seem to think you have a lot of specific answers about the god you don't claim to know about. All you have stated is speculation and opinion. I could claim to believe in a god that is the exact opposite of what you listed and it would have just as much validity.....none.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:03 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Oh and being a father I can tell you there is nothing my child could that would justify enternal punishment or suffering. Your promise is extremely flawed.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:07 am |
  10. TheCapitalist

    Jebus loves me, this I know
    'Cause a fundie told me so
    Little minds to Him belong
    I prefer a smurfy Schlong

    Yes, Jeebus loves me
    Yes, Jeebus loves me
    Yes, Jeebus loves me
    Unless he sends me to an eternity of fiery torture in which case I suppose I'd have to say his love is somewhat fickle
    Told me so

    June 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      LOL... wow... and you accuse ME of trolling...

      June 24, 2012 at 11:05 pm |
  11. Star Performer

    GERMANY IS COMING TO POWER !!!!
    Let's see if fools relent !!!!

    June 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
  12. joseph

    If you are lost in the sea of humanity, desperately trying to find the place where you belong, the cross is God's light house to the world to show them the way home.

    June 24, 2012 at 11:01 pm |
    • Chad

      well said

      June 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
    • Rick James

      LOL

      June 24, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Actually, that's just the grail-shaped beacon on Castle Anthrax. Naughty Zoot.

      June 25, 2012 at 2:14 am |
  13. John

    After months on this blog as an atheist and having many conversations with smart Christians, I am converting to Hinduism. Yes my wife is from India. Why do you ask?

    June 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
  14. TheCapitalist

    "I worship the god of reason and reality." - GodFreeNow

    More atheists admitting that atheism IS a religion.

    June 24, 2012 at 10:45 pm |
    • Jill

      TheCapitalist, don’t obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril.Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously. Vegetables in the sunset.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:48 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Rick James
      Jill, that was beautiful.

      LOL... see I told ya' earlier Jill... you're writing the atheist bible.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      Of course Atheism is a religion! It's satan's indoctrination of the masses, and secularism goes right hand in hand with it!
      Man will worship something.! We were meant by our Creator to worship Him, love and honor Him. But when man rejects His authority, he will fall prey to every demonic suggestion that hell can come up with! And if he can't make them to bow down to statues or get tangled up in witchcraft, he will make them believe they are their own god! So no matter what man does, without Christ , he is lost, utterly lost!

      June 24, 2012 at 11:02 pm |
  15. TheCapitalist

    Atheist: "A dog's coat gets thicker in the winter... THEREFORE... we 'evolved' from a one-celled amoeba."

    SO logical...

    June 24, 2012 at 10:33 pm |
    • Rick James

      I feelz ya bro. Being made from magic dirt is scientifically sound.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:37 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Rick James...

      Aren't we made of carbon and water and elements from the earth?

      June 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
    • Jill

      TheCapitalist, don’t obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry on prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril.Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Rick James

      Yeah, we and the earth are composed of the same elements. While I do admit that the origins of life are not fully explained yet, the various creation myths are just that....myths.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
    • Rick James

      Jill, that was beautiful.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • Smurfette

      Hey, CapCap – Poppa Smurf's throbbing Smurfsicle of Love thickens at the thought of your deluded little bottom bent over in supplication before his blue magnificence! And despite his size, he's over-evolved in certain areas, if ya know what I mean! You thought the screams from hell those russian excavators were hearing – well, they ain't heard nothing yet! And no Jeebus is going to save you now

      June 24, 2012 at 10:47 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Rick James...

      How do you KNOW they are myths? Do YOU have proof? Who TOLD you that they were "myths"? Biased non-Christians did...

      I posit to you, that based on the world we see around us... and the evidence that appears in nature, and other contextual factors such as the ancient pyramids, the nature of good and evil, demonic possession, etc...

      EVERYTHING fits within the Biblical worldview perfectly, and it is the best explanation for the world and universe around us.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:49 pm |
    • Rick James

      Capitalist, how many creations stories from all religions do you accept? Assuredly not all of them, or else you'd be confused.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:52 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      CapAss, they're myths 'cause no one, not you or anyone else, has ever provided one bit of independent, factual, objective, verifiable evidence for any of them.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:56 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      The capitalist,

      Nothing asserted by any
      Religion has later been proven by religion.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:57 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      HotAirAce...

      There is more evidence corroborating the account of the Bible, then there is for any other "theory on life" out there.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:07 pm |
    • Rick James

      Capitalist, I would to see the evidence.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:10 pm |
    • Rick James

      Capitalist, I would to see the evidence for such an amazing claim.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • HotAirAce

      Then you will have no problem whipping it out. Please, do educate us heathens and make history 'cause again, no one, not anybody, has delivered the goods yet!

      June 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      OK I'll make it on a new post/thread...

      June 24, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  16. TheCapitalist

    LOL ya hear that Chad?

    They think we're the same person... got 'em all in a tizzy...

    June 24, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Jill

      TheCapitalist,

      Don’t obfuscate the primary prenuptials with rasberries. Often, the pertinent cat presents fabled necessities in the parking chamfer. Realize your net precedent. Triangulate! Save the best for the alligators. Ever the bastille notches the orchestra but Wendy is not green and horses will capitulate. Filter out the log from the turnstile and cry prevalently.

      So there brown stare. Feed your inner walnut and resolve. Subject your lemon to the ingenious door in the presence of snow and animals. Aisle 7 is for the monetary cheese whiz. Faced with the kitchen, you may wish to prolong the sailboat in the cliff. Otherwise, rabbits may descend on your left nostril.Think about how you can stripe the sea.

      Garbage out just like the candle in the kitty so. Go, go, go until the vacuum meets the upward vacation. Sell the yellow. Then trim the bus before the ten cheese please Louise. Segregate from the koan and stew the ship vigorously.

      And remember, never pass up an opportunity to watch an elephant paint Mozart.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:44 pm |
  17. christina knight

    Ms. Libresco says "... that at the heart of her decision were questions of morality and how one finds a moral compass." From research on species that have complex social organization (in mammals) it can now be concluded that the existence of morality in our species has arisen through natural evolutionary processes. It is an inevitable consequence of our being complex social organisms that we have a moral instinct and it has nothing to do with religion.

    June 24, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • Jill

      Facts, reason, clear thinking... How dare you Christina?

      June 24, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Why do human beings have the capacity for "agape", or unconditional, or "God-like" love, whereas animals do not? It is contrary to evolutionary theory. This is called the Anthropic Principle. The self-sacrifice of firefighters going into the twin towers on 9/11 is an evolutionary liability. A stranger jumping into dangerous waters to save a child that is not his is an evolutionary liability.

      Furthermore... the fact that we all have an innate morality is a reflection of the existence of God. The fact that societies worldwide regard child molestation as wrong reflects this innate morality, but the existence of child molesters reflects the existence of sin.

      You cannot compare the evolutionary "moral" instincts of animals, which do what they do just to survive... to the human sense of innate morality, which is not necessarily based on survival.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:58 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Your assertions about morality do not prove the cause is a god, and more specifically, your god.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:15 pm |
    • billdeacons

      Just claims, Perhaps not but they do illustrate the difference between the socialised morality of other mammals and the altruistic quailities of man. So the original post becomes moot and you still haven't decribes a societal reason for morality that is evolution based.

      June 25, 2012 at 12:50 am |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Bill,

      So what? First, I do not buy the premise. But even if I do for the sake of argument, the assertion is that that morality is caused by god which is nothing but a claim. Second, saying I don't have a evolutionary explanation does not give the god claim ANY validity whatsoever. Why do you people think that if an explanation cannot given, claiming "god did it" makes any more sense than claiming "Bigfoot did it"?

      June 25, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  18. jimmmy

    See "Athiests".... someone believes in God from logic...

    if you believe in objective truth... (may be as simple as Love vs. evil)... you believe in God (however you want to define that/you don't have to define that)

    June 24, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • Fallacy Spotting 101

      Post by 'jimmmy' is an instance of the pro causa non causa fallacy, with additional non sequiturs.

      http://fallacyfiles.org

      June 24, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Rick James

      Your statement kinda contradicts itself. You first talk about objective truth, and then admit that how God is viewed is subjective.
      And Love vs. Evil is not really a simple concept, if you think about it. Is it evil to kill a man in battle? How much love is too much?

      June 24, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      And why does objective truth require a god, and more specifically your god?

      June 24, 2012 at 11:00 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Just Claims, No Truth...

      The only way that objective morality can possibly exist is if God exists, otherwise all morality is subjective to the opinions and whims of the individual. The fact that we have an innate sense of morality, but all come short of it... confirms the truth of the Bible. We're all quick to say "I'm good", but at the same time we're also quick to say "I'm not perfect, I'm only human."

      June 24, 2012 at 11:12 pm |
    • Just Claims, No Truth

      Nothing you said answered the question,

      You might as well have answered "because I said so"

      June 24, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
  19. Energetic troll "The Capitalist"

    ......................is energetic!

    June 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Terry

      Only in the sense of "energetic" that meds are correctly prescribed for.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:19 pm |
  20. Think-About-It

    Science is study of the work of God. But how can you who deny God and His ownership of Creation which He designed, understand what you're studying when you exclude the One who is the creator of the subjects of your studies? you will always weer off of the course because you refuse to acknowledge the Source!!!

    June 24, 2012 at 10:09 pm |
    • Rick James

      Please, I have read about scientists from different faiths (or no faith) make important contributions to the fields of different studies in science. All you have done is depict things from your narrow world view.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:14 pm |
    • Terry

      How come god made so many design mistakes then? And how come he made the world look like he didn't make it?

      And how are those fossil fuels treating your car today? Got it kiddo? Fossils. Really old. Really extinct stuff.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • Bob Loblaw

      I don't deny Zeus his creation. Why do you?

      June 24, 2012 at 10:24 pm |
    • Al

      I think he is referring to Ra.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:26 pm |
    • Zeus

      Why thank you Bob. I'll be sure to reward you with several stunning goddesses.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Terry

      RAmen.

      June 24, 2012 at 10:27 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      Hey, nitwits! God will always be far ahead of your little undeveloped (kindly put) minds! And you'll always be no more then blind bats with screwed up radars.... LOL!

      June 24, 2012 at 10:30 pm |
    • Rick James

      Bats don't use radars...they use echolocation. Maybe if you knew some science (3rd grade), then you could make some great points. C'mon man! Think-About- It!

      June 24, 2012 at 10:34 pm |
    • Think-About-It

      Ricky boy, I'm not here to fluff my science knowledge feathers as you darwinists do, hoping to prove validity of your evolution-religion, nor do I care to be "scientifically correct", although I could, if I wanted to..... I KNOW what bats use.
      But we common folks don't like to use big words! We like to be down to earth, to be understood by common man....You know what I mean? We kinda want to go to the opposite ditch, because there is too much hot air being passed in that high science camp, and it gives one a nauseating feeling ! Do you dig what I'm saying, bro?!

      June 24, 2012 at 10:50 pm |
    • Rick James

      Think, I get what you are saying bro. You common folks have your fingers on the pulse of a nation...that is a gift that held deep inside the soul that can never be taken away. Darwinists don't get it regular folks, they are too busy getting degrees and other useless crap like that....A degree can't tell you how to feed your family nor tell a science about the beauty of God. You sure set me straight.

      June 24, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
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