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 A shot of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.
June 29th, 2012
04:33 PM ET
Ratio of evangelicals in Brazil jumps 44% in 10 yearsBy Shasta Darlington, CNN Sao Paulo (CNN) – The number of evangelical Christians s in Brazil, the world’s largest Catholic country, has soared over the last decade, from 15% of the population in 2000 to to 22% of the population in 2010, according to a report issued on Friday. Over the same period, the proportion of Catholic Brazilians fell from 74% of the population to to 65%, Brazil’s National Statistics Institute reported. In overall terms, the percentage of evangelicals rose 44%, as evangelical churches won over the faithful, especially women and people in poorer communities. The rise of evangelical Christianity is a growing trend across Latin America. Forty years ago, 93.% of Brazilians considered themselves Catholic, compared with just 4% who identified as evangelical. In the same period, those who say they aren’t religious has grown to 8%, up from less than 1%.
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"Praise unto Him, and He shalleth poop unto thine face"
Hot Carl (17, 18)
Telepathic communication with 2000 year old zombie changes things. Also, a small footnote: Jesus watches you poop. Proven.
god, is not...
Prayer really changes things
Pray without ceasing
Prayer without ceasing... absolutely.
You freaks stay on your knees til you perish. That is what will help this world – when you freaks stay out of the business of running the world. I wholeheartedly encourage you freaks to do just that and stay on your knees. Lock yourself away from us and die off in your homes.
Uh . . . Stalin! Yeah, something about Stalin. That proves my point . . . if I had a point. Words tangle, flumble.
This thinking stuff is really hard!
Prayer changes things
Proven
Powerful
Pervasive
Prevarication
Pathetic
Perjury
Pretense
@AGuest9
Recognizing and listing your failings is the first step to salvation, Jesus can take care of all your sins. God bless
Brazil needs secularism, not another sect of the Christian cult (or any other religious cults).
Even though I am a christian, I admit that I don't really believe in prayer but my therapist told me that if I keep posting anti-atheism posts on all of these chat boards, I would be able to work out my anger and hatred for God. God doesn't love me or anyone else, and I know that. In fact I hate god!
those catholics who turned themselves to the evangelicals didn't really know the teaching of the church that was built by Jesus thru' "Cephas", Peter the Rock. i would suggest these converts to a christian denomination must read Christian History and find out what the early church look like, is it evangelical or more Catholic... of the answer would be the latter...
You should stop believing in fairy tales, not matter who tells them.
There is all kinds of historical evidence that Peter was not even in Rome at all, much less a bishop in Rome. They made it all up. The words "thou art Peter etc." obviously were added much later, (the word "ecclesia" is Greek), and if Jesus had said that they would have said, "a what ?", as there was no such thing as a "church" until many hundreds of years later. So sad, too bad.
Actually, it was my interest into finding early information about the christians that lead to me wanting to find out about other religions, then turning agnostic and then atheist. So yea, I'd agree with klm
Or as we like to call it religious crazies
The flood happened and serves as a warning of the final judgement to come. Best find the answer in Genesis, the flood was much more than what we see as floods on the earth today.
a god only worthy of scorn.
how that scorn thingy works out for you at judgement day.
There is not going to be a judgement day. And if your god turns out to be real and has a day to judge you then it will not bother me any since it will not be judgeing me as it is not my god.
if that your not my judge thingy works out for you if you are ever in an earthly court
There is a difference bwteeen a court judge appointed by the gov't and a fairy in the sky.
"looks like" you should study some geology at the university level, and perhaps some mathematics, as well. History might help, too. About 10000BCE, massive flooding occurred as the ice age came to an end, contributing to global flood stories. In Mesopotamia and other areas bordering the Mediterranean around 5000BCE, levels of many seas rose, inundating the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates, burying many villages, and drowning the areas around the Persian Gulf. A few villages have been excavated. The math comes in to show that there does not exist the amount of water on earth to cover all of the land masses. Even if every bit of ice melts in the polar caps, the sea level will rise about 200 feet. As scary as that is, the vast majority of land area of the contents will be well above sea level.
Catholic or Evangelical ... totally irrelevant! They both fall under the umbrella of Christianity. The real story here is about "those who say they aren’t religious has grown to 8%, up from less than 1%." Maybe that statistic is something the church should actually be concerned about ... don't be blinded by the smoke screen.
Brazil is on fire for the Lord. Praise God !
And they have a stunningly high crime rate! Praise the lord!
you do also
Heaven sent us tsunamis, earthquakes, tornadoes, and other disasters that have killed millions of people, many of them innocent. Heaven sent us typhoid, meningitis, lupus, and cancers and other diseases too numerous to mention that have caused horrible pain and suffering to millions of innocent people, children included.
Wow, god must be quite the asshole.
Amen.
for an atheist to say that only disproved you don't believe in God
Such a scam.
According to your own "holy text", your "god" wiped out the ENTIRE planet, save for one little boat floating around for 40 days. An ENTIRE planet? That makes anything a political leader does pale in comparison to that. And you say your "god" is loving, after "he" eradicated an entire world?
Mensa my ass
Instead of hurling insults, try refuting what I said. Do you now say that your "great flood" never happened?
Wow,Jimmy.Felt any real hate lately?I'm no great fan of the pope,but to actually wish his death speaks volumes about your character,sir.And since the article was largely about the rise of evangelical activity,either you think the readers of this blog are incredibly dim-witted,are unable to follow current events,or should simply follow you down the yellow brick road of lunacy.As vile and ill-informed as some of the atheist bloggers'comments on this site are,even they have enough decency not to wish anyone's death(at least so far;I'm not optimistic after they read this!).At any rate,Jimmy,maybe you should do a little soul-searching...And by the way,do you have children?
It's a very sneaky twilight zone!
It caught me out every time!
I've got 7 dumb kids to prove it!
Very sadly, it's a very sneaky twilight zone!
Ah! You poor dumb mother!
The twilight zone's renowned for catching junk out!
Is there anyway you can reverse your involvement with the twilight zone?
ALL THE SAME IDIOT.
WANTS ATTENTION.
POSTS LACKLUSTER TROLL POSTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, UNDER COUNTLESS USERNAMES.
STOP
RESPONDING
TO
THIS
FEEBLE-MINDED
KID....
there is no herbie
replying to multiple name theorist... prove it or move it
you are dismissed loser
haha herbie got outed and clowned haha
there still is no herbie
Moby Schtick
Questions for god believers:
1. Why do you find it so important to label atheism as a religion?
Ans) Only some posters make that as sertion. However, there are atheists who post atheist reasonings on boards 'religiously' (meaining regularly, often, without fail – yes, this is a correct usage for this word). Does this make atheism a religion? No. However, this atheism is a very strongly held core belief of many posting here, as is evidenced by the content and quant ity of their postings, as well as by some of the atheists’ own statements affirming this fact. So while it's not a religion, it's certainly a philosophy, and a dearly-held one for some IMO.
2. Why do you think that the skeptic has to disprove what you, the claimant, have not yet proven?
Ans) Again, this only applies to the "you" out there who fall for this logic-trap. Most religious people who've taken a critical thinking course don’t make a habit of c ommitting the more common fallacies – including myself and others.
3. Why are you so afraid to follow the rules of logical reasoning?
Ans) Again, this only applies to some religious posters. Indeed, many scientists and engineers practice a faith and yet use logic and critical thinking every day. As to why they don’t always follow the rules of logical reasoning regarding their faith, see question #4.
4. Why do you so clearly understand the rules of logic and a ssertion when making large purchases ("closing" a real estate deal in a lawyer’s office with all sorts of professional people adding their signature to the legal agreement), but you don't follow those exact same rules when examining your faith verses all others?
Ans) Apples and oranges. Indeed, it would probably be a logical fallacy to treat a personal faith or philosophy in the same manner that you would treat a biz deal or contract.
5. What LOGICAL validation is there for your faith that there isn't for all the faiths you disbelieve?
Ans) I can't speak for everyone, but I, and many of my fellow Christians that I know, initially came to faith in Christ with no physical evidence to convince us at all. It was only *after* placing faith in Christ that I (and many other Christians I know) had the privilege of witnessing miracles, which IMO is good evidence. I initially believed because the gospel made personal philosophical sense to me – nothing more than that initially.
Apologies for the double post. CNN was giving me fits trying to post this.
I appreciate the thoughtful replies, b4. You are not the typical christian poster, here. Nice reasoning.
Would you then agree that atheism/disbelief is the more logical position to hold, seeing as there is no measurable, testable method to prove the existence of your god and because so much of the bible's claims as to the nature of the universe have been proven completely wrong?
Moby Schtick: "I appreciate the thoughtful replies, b4....
Would you then agree that atheism/disbelief is the more logical position to hold, seeing as there is no measurable, testable method to prove the existence of your god..."
Ans) Disbelief is the obvious natural position to hold for one who has never encountered God. We're all born separated from the knowledge of God; however he has endowed us with relatively good natural senses and a marvelous brain with which to survive, thrive and explore our physical universe. The fact that these physical tools, armed with logic and math, are perfectly suited for exploration of the physical world, does not mean that it would be logical to assume no God due to their inability to detect a spiritual being or realm.
...and because so much of the bible's claims as to the nature of the universe have been proven completely wrong?"
Ans) A lot of so-called "Bible's claims" really turn out to be men's claims, ie, men who arrive at a scientific conclusion based on their own private interpretation of Scripture. IMO, a person would have as much difficulty turning Genesis into a science book as an atheist would have turning Darwin's treatise into a hymnbook.
I do believe in Biblical infallability, but i also know that a lot of people have said and written a lot of their own opinions as to what the Scriptures are telling us – hence the crazy false info; eg, the medieval supersti tious Catholic invention of a magic unicorn thousands of years after Mid-eastern Jews wrote about the rhino in the old testament, which describes no magic power at all.
Very interesting, b4. Thanks.
Atheism is neither a religion or philosophy. It is simply the position that deities don't exist. What an atheists beliefs are beyond that are something totally different. There is no atheist dogma, and each individual atheist's philosophy is as varied as the number of religions, or the number of atheists, whichever is less. There has been countless numbers of religions, but atheism isn't one of them.
Moby Schtick
Questions for god believers:
1. Why do you find it so important to label atheism as a religion?
Ans) Only some posters make that as sertion. However, there are atheists who post atheist reasonings on boards 'religiously' (meaining regularly, often, without fail – yes, this is a correct usage for this word). Does this make atheism a religion in the usual sense? No. However, this atheism is a very strongly held core belief of many posting here, as is evidenced by the content and quant ity of their postings, as well as by some of the atheists’ own statements affirming this fact. So while it's not a religion, it's certainly a philosophy, and a dearly-held one for some IMO.
2. Why do you think that the skeptic has to disprove what you, the claimant, have not yet proven?
Ans) Again, this only applies to the "you" out there who fall for this logic-trap. Most religious people who've taken a critical thinking course don’t make a habit of committing the more common fallacies – including myself and others.
3. Why are you so afraid to follow the rules of logical reasoning?
Ans) Again, this only applies to some religious posters. Indeed, many scientists and engineers practice a faith and yet use logic and critical thinking every day. As to why they don’t always follow the rules of logical reasoning regarding their faith, see question #4.
4. Why do you so clearly understand the rules of logic and a ssertion when making large purchases ("closing" a real estate deal in a lawyer’s office with all sorts of professional people adding their signature to the legal agreement), but you don't follow those exact same rules when examining your faith verses all others?
Ans) Apples and oranges. Indeed, it would probably be a logical fallacy to treat a personal faith or philosophy in the same manner that you would treat a biz deal or contract.
5. What LOGICAL validation is there for your faith that there isn't for all the faiths you disbelieve?
Ans) I can't speak for everyone, but I, and many of my fellow Christians that I know, initially came to faith in Christ with no physical evidence to convince us at all. It was only *after* placing faith in Christ that I (and many other Christians I know) had the privilege of witnessing miracles, which IMO is good evidence. I initially believed because the gospel made philosophical sense to me – nothing more than that initially.
PS: For those who insist that atheism is not even a philsophy, but merely a lack of belief in a god, then I can amend my statement to say that atheism is a logical conclusion for those who have a somewhat strongly-held belief in scientific-materialism.
b4bigbang..god is still an hypothesis.. you have no prooF .What critical thinking courses did you take to prove your god..ie.. how do you dismiss other gods such as Thor or Ra what evidence did you apply to determine they were false? are the Muslims wrong because of your course
Big bang ....what miracles did you witness and how did you apply your critical thinking to determining if it was a miracle" or a natural phenom`you could not explain.. can you give us the details
There were all kinds of itinerant preachers running around in Jesus' day. They were all seen to be doing miracles. That does not fly as an argument. Neither does the resurrection. Read you some Bart Ehrman, and get over the fairy tales.
Prayer changes things .
Prayer changes people, I am living proof.
Prayer changes lives, I to am living proof
Some of you need a facelift!
Us Elders know how to handle you sad clowns!
Poor Brazil. >0 evangelicals is bad news for any country.
I hope a helicopter carrying the Pope crashes into Rio's giant Jesus statue and explodes, and little scorched chunks of concrete Jesus and little smoking chunks of the Pope rain down on the favela like manna from heaven.
Your a genius Jimmy!
What a cute way to get rid of the Pope!
Jesus has had a few nails before, so a little helicopter damage can't be all that bad!
Keep hoping Jimmy!
I like your style on this one!