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July 6th, 2012
06:30 AM ET

Melinda Gates defends financing contraception in light of her Catholicism

Editor's note: Watch more of Dr. Sanjay Gupta's interview with Melinda Gates on Sanjay Gupta MD on Saturday at 4:30 p.m. ET and Sunday at 7:30 a.m. ET.

(CNN) - Responding to simmering controversy among Catholic bloggers about her new birth control program, Melinda Gates - a practicing Catholic - said she will not shrink from her role as an advocate for poor women.

"Part of what I do with the (Gates) Foundation comes form that incredible social justice I had growing up and belief that all lives, all lives are of equal value," said Gates during a recent interview with CNN chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta.

About the flak over her Catholicism she said: "We're not going to agree about everything, but that's OK."

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- CNN's Laura Koran

Filed under: Catholic Church • Christianity • Health care

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  1. Topher

    If anyone has any questions about Christianity, feel free to ask ...

    July 7, 2012 at 2:21 am |
    • You are a bore

      Troll

      July 7, 2012 at 3:07 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      They don't.
      Christianity, as it is practiced today, is really Paulianity. Saul, ("St." Paul) of Tarsus changed what Yeshua ben Josef and the early followers of the "Way" sect in Judaism were all about. Why ? Because Yeshua and the followers thought the "end" was about to occur. When it didn't they needed to rationalize it, and keep going. So Saul merged the Greek mystery cults, (their major competi'tion for adherents), with a minority form of Judaism called Messianism, and used the Garden myth from Genesis as it's basis. Actually the Garden myth was a re-do of the ancient Sumerian Chaos myth, in which Marduk slays the dragon of chaos, and added the "poisonous plants" theme, also common in ancient Sumerian myth. The myth got slightly changed, to be the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, (ie a mythological attempt to "encompas's opposites" – or chaos), and "fundamentalized" into apple ingestion, (disobedience). The myth originally was about Chaos vs Order, as anyone who has taken Comparative Mythology knows. Christianity is entirely built on ignorance of comparative mythology today, and intentionally done by Saul and Augustine, (when he invented "original sin"). It's all very well known by historians.

      So yeah, got any questions about the ORIGINS of the cult known as the Way, (see Acts), or Christianity. Even as late as the fifth Century, St. John Crysostom, (see his sermons), was yelling at the Christians, "you must stop going to the synagogue etc". Christianity was for many centuries a sect in Judaism.

      July 7, 2012 at 9:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Topher, you should have told these 2 fools to read Romans 3:1-31.

      Amen.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:44 am |
  2. Bootyfunk

    the lesson here...

    in order to do good, you pretty much have to do the opposite of what the church leaders say is the right thing to do. hmmm can we think of any other issues where this is the case?

    July 6, 2012 at 7:17 pm |
    • sam

      Name similar issues?? But I already have a full time job.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:23 pm |
    • Colin

      Sam, allow me to articulate a few for you:

      (i) the perennial issue of a woman’s right to choose;
      (ii) medical immunization of teen girls (and boys) against HPV;
      (iii) assisted suicide;
      (iv) accepting the reality of global warming and reacting to mitigate its effects;
      (v) gay marriage;
      (vi) my right to view art and theatre deemed “offensive,” “blasphemous” or “obscene” by theists;
      (vii) basic se.x education for older school children;
      (viii) treating drug abuse as principally a medical issue;
      (ix) population control;
      (x) buying alcohol on a Sunday in many places;
      (xi) use of condoms and other contraceptives;
      (xii) embryonic stem cell research;
      (xiii) little 10 year-old boys joining organizations such as the Boy Scouts of America, regardless of the religious views of their parents ; and
      (xiv) gays being allowed to serve openly in the military.

      I trust I have made the point.

      PS: Notice how many of the above involve the h.omo sapiens' se.x drive? Has it ever occured to you that the religious obsession with human se.x is a purely human affair?

      July 6, 2012 at 11:59 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      bullseye
      bullseye
      bullseye
      ...

      well said, colin

      July 7, 2012 at 1:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Actually, Colin, human s3x is carnal. LOL. Take a drink of Orange juice.

      July 7, 2012 at 2:44 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      HeavenSent has guilt issues, and is obsessed with "carnal". It explains everything.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:56 am |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Oh, how could I forget :

      Amen

      July 7, 2012 at 8:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

      Colossians 2:8

      Amen.

      July 8, 2012 at 9:47 am |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    July 6, 2012 at 6:09 pm |
    • Fetchez La Vache!

      You don't frighten us, Christian pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Healthy Atheism, you and all your silly Christian z-zzzzzzealots. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt! I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!

      July 6, 2012 at 6:23 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      July 6, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven

      July 6, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:04 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      I fart in your general direction.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:05 pm |
    • sam

      I highly approve of the new approach to responding to prayer troll.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'll show my naughty bits to your auntie!

      July 6, 2012 at 7:26 pm |
    • Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

      Prayer changes things
      Proven.

      July 6, 2012 at 8:46 pm |
    • Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom

      I like to sat "fact", and "proven" whenever I as'sert something because that makes whatever I say true.
      The moon is made of green cheese. Fact.
      See how that works.

      July 6, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • The Bird Is The Word

      I prayed for the bush to bring for juniper berries, and it did! It's a miracle!

      July 7, 2012 at 12:32 am |
  4. Jack

    Hello folks. Everyone is invited to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    July 6, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
    • Jack Spamalot

      God told me to be a weaselly sniveling spammer. It's my divine and holy mission in life.

      July 6, 2012 at 6:18 pm |
  5. Arthur, King of the Britons

    The following is a video of The Knight Of God, who fights like he debates!

    July 6, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
  6. Ed Shainj

    Melinda, Keep up the good work and don't pay attention to those who are trying to put you down. There are too many who don't have to shoulder any burden when there are too many children in a given family. Those people just postulate and posture to make themselve sound like they have high morals when in fact they have none. Have big families they say and the don't make an attempt to help feed or help clothe or raise these children. This is the way to help lift many out of poverty.
    Keep up the good work.

    July 6, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      melinda gates is a force for good on this earth.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:11 pm |
  7. Harvey the Rabbit

    Catholicism sure has become a bully force for ultra-conforming its members.

    July 6, 2012 at 5:50 pm |
  8. Judy Walker

    The problem is...we don't really KNOW God like we say...because if we did, we would not limit Him...He said be fruitful and mulitply...obey Him and He will provide....now if u are going against the word of God in the first place....don't expect Him to help....Obedience to THE LORD of All creation is the only solution...Go back to the word of God and Obey Him...

    July 6, 2012 at 4:44 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      Judy Walker

      The problem is...people like Judy Walker.

      July 6, 2012 at 5:28 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      It is virtually impossible to "obey" the god of the bible; he has too many contradictory commands, instructions and precepts. Quite simply, you must pick and choose what to obey. I assume that you are doing a rather good job of selection, judy

      July 6, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • jwt

      your god ms judy is not the god of all creation/.

      July 6, 2012 at 5:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Moby Schtick, if you believe there are contradictions within Jesus' truth it's because you have issues to deal with. Jesus' truth is perfect. Man is not.

      jwt, Judy is writing about Jesus Christ, He is the creator of ALL.

      July 7, 2012 at 4:34 am |
    • jwt

      In your opinion HS no in mine and yours is not more correct than mine.

      July 7, 2012 at 6:24 am |
    • lilly

      Melinda Gates is a wonderful person that actually cares about these women and children. You religious people are a bunch of SICK puppies. Please do tell me the last time your god stepped foot in any of these poor countries and helped any of the women and children? How many African children have you adopted again? You all need to have your heads examined and then move the heck out of the USA and head to Afghanistan where I am sure the Taliban will welcome you are your kind with open arms.

      July 8, 2012 at 12:24 am |
  9. The Knight of God

    Alright guys, I got so many different replies, its hard to address all of them so forgive me if I can't get back to all of them lol. I got Johnny, but I wanted to get back to ME II. If ya could just repost them on this one.

    July 6, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
    • Colin

      There are a number of as.sumptions you make (i) there is a god; (ii) it is the Christian god; and (iii) you know its intentions concerning se.x and contraception.

      For so long as you hold these as.sumptions, you will consider it acceptable that women suffer all the woes of being deprived of adequate contraception because you consider them somehow deserving of what they get.

      To most atheists, your first as.sumption is invalid, rendering the second two moot.

      We would prefer to see all steps possible taken to make all forms of birth control available to women (and men) because we do not regard their s.ex drive as "dirty" or something that must be controlled and feel that this simple step can allow people to make family planning decisions. It will have the benefits of reducing population and reducing, in the case of condoms, the spread of disease.

      Denying these people these benefits based on the presumed, uncommunicated wishes of a Bronze Age Palestinian sky-fairy does not make a lot of sense to us in the 21st Century.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      "There are a number of as.sumptions you make (i) there is a god; (ii) it is the Christian god; and (iii) you know its intentions concerning se.x and contraception."

      True this

      "For so long as you hold these as.sumptions, you will consider it acceptable that women suffer all the woes of being deprived of adequate contraception because you consider them somehow deserving of what they get."

      I am simply advocating attacking the root of the issue, I don't think anyone has gotten that metaphor yet lol. I believe all possible steps should be taking but we should focus on eliminating the root of the problem which no one wants to touch and this is why I said its a moral issue. Once that has been taken care of, the rest of the "weed" will die. Covering up that root will not help.

      "To most atheists, your first as.sumption is invalid, rendering the second two moot. "

      Well my solution didn't go towards atheists, they can do whatever they want. I was talking about in regards to the situation. I don't need the approval of atheists to get this to happen lol Merely an opinion. Aside from the God aspect of my belief, my way would still be far more effective than the ones presented.

      "We would prefer to see all steps possible taken to make all forms of birth control available to women (and men) because we do not regard their s.ex drive as "dirty" or something that must be controlled and feel that this simple step can allow people to make family planning decisions. It will have the benefits of reducing population and reducing, in the case of condoms, the spread of disease."

      I never said it was dirty if you read my earlier comments. S ex is a beautiful thing, but there is a way , that I believe, one should go about it. My way would put a stop to all of that and bring back some honor to the human race :p

      "Denying these people these benefits based on the presumed, uncommunicated wishes of a Bronze Age Palestinian sky-fairy does not make a lot of sense to us in the 21st Century."

      And giving these people these "benefits" based off a man with an uncontrolled s ex drive of a s ex driven, immoral society that is plagued with a dultery, inf idelity, its own AIDS problem, and no regard for human life makes far more sense than God? Well you tell me...

      July 6, 2012 at 5:11 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      By the way Colin...

      "We would prefer to see all steps possible taken to make all forms of birth control available to women (and men) because we do not regard their s.ex drive as "dirty" or something that must be controlled and feel that this simple step can allow people to make family planning decisions. It will have the benefits of reducing population and reducing, in the case of condoms, the spread of disease. "

      Family planning takes some measure of self-control... population reduction (if it is real) requires some level of self-control... you contradicted yourself...

      July 6, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Knighty-nite, self-control does not equal depriving oneself of s3x simply because you don't want to have a kid. Get over it.

      July 6, 2012 at 11:11 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Colin, the reason why souls came to this earth in female form is because they are spiritually stronger than souls that came to this earth in male form. The reason that Jesus has women labor in pain during child birth is because of Eve being beguiled by satan (the snake) in the Garden of Eden. The snake, which is satan is the cherubim Lucifer in the first earth age (see the 3 earth and 3 heaven ages in 2 Peter 3) who lied to 1/3 of God's angels in the first earth age to rebel against God. Lucifer wants to be God. God got angry (His wrath) and destroyed the first earth age. God then created the world again (this 2nd earth age that we live in) ... and Lucifer, who is the snake, who is satan still tried to derail God in the garden as he does today. What happened in the Garden of Eden is what is happening today until Jesus comes back. If you post anything ridiculous as eating an apple, don't expect a response.

      July 7, 2012 at 4:46 am |
    • jwt

      Now that was just sad HS.

      July 7, 2012 at 6:27 am |
    • HeavenSent

      jwt, don't you have a banana tree that needs climbing?

      July 8, 2012 at 9:59 am |
  10. Colin

    Does it strike anyone else as odd that the director of one of the best funded charities on Earth has to defend herself (and an entirely appropriate action taken to assist women in Third World countries) against the opinions of some totally out-of-touch, well nourished, superst.itious old fools in Rome.

    That would be bad enough, but those same fools base their views on the supposed wishes of a Bronze Age Middle Eastern god that the educated World is increasingly realizing does not even exist. You would swear it was 1420, not 2012.

    July 6, 2012 at 4:19 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Kathleen Sebelius is also a Catholic. The old boys don't like smart girls one bit. Although they do seem to spend a lot of their time sitting around thinking about their private parts.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • Colin

      Ok Bucky, one day you have to show me how to do that upside down letter thing.

      PS: Great post below.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • Not bucky

      ɥɔɹɐǝs ǝlƃooƃ ʞɔınb ɐ ɥʇıʍ ʎlısɐǝ ʎlɹıɐɟ sıɥʇ op oʇ ʍoɥ ʇno puıɟ oʇ ǝlqɐ ǝq plnoɥs noʎ 'uılloɔ

      July 6, 2012 at 4:59 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      http://www.upsidedowntext.com/

      July 6, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Colin, you're already just as upside down as Bucky.

      July 8, 2012 at 10:00 am |
  11. llɐq ʎʞɔnq

    There is a completely artificial semantic game played by the Roman Church in it's creation of a "distinction without a difference" with birth control, when they say that "Natural Family Planning" is acceptable, as moral, even while maintaining, in their own Moral Theology, that the ultimate determining factor in a moral choice, is "intention". The "intent", no matter how it's done, by definition, of "Family Planning", is to MAKE A PLAN..an intentional act to prevent a pregnancy, which can include a whole series of intentional acts, (temperature taking, abstaining on certain days, even going to classes, etc etc,). Apparently they have a REALLY dumb god, who is unaware of their intentions.

    July 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      And while you're at it, tell us when the "moment" of conception is.

      The Romans assert that "life begins at the 'moment' of conception". Science has debunked that childish notion. There is NO "moment". The fact that twinning can occur up to two weeks after conception, raises the question of when exactly the "soul is infused", as does the inconvenient fact that no OBGYN physician will state when EXACTLY that "moment" is.
      Is it when :
      a. sperm approaches egg ?
      b. 1st electron of sperm cell enters electron cloud of egg cell ?
      c. sperm contacts egg wall ?
      d. sperm 1/2 way into egg ?
      e. sperm entirely in egg ?
      f. DNA of sperm contacts DNA of egg ?
      g. DNA replication begins ?
      h. DNA replication 0.567534521897 % complete ?
      i. 1st DNA replication complete, (poof..soul enters) ?
      j. 2nd DNA completes ?
      k. zygote forms ?
      l. zygote multiplies ?
      m. zygote begins to travel ?
      l. zygote approaches endometrial wall ?
      m. zygote touches endometrial wall ?
      n. zygote implants in endometrial wall ?

      Take your pick.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • Huebert

      @Bucky

      According to most doctors pregnancy begins at "N".

      July 6, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      "most doctors" is "argumentum ad populum".
      How do "most doctors", know when the soul is infused
      show me the "doctor pol"l of OBGYNs
      What exactly is the difference between the "moment " of implantation, and the pico second before ?
      Define "implantation.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      If it's implantation, then Plan B has to be acceptable.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • Huebert

      Medically, pregnancy is timed in weeks and it begins in the first week in which implantation occurs. Their is no single moment that anyone could point to and say "that is when pregnancy started". And yes Plan B is acceptable, heck abortion is acceptable but that is a discussion for another board.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:48 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Ummm... I think we're moving to fast, here. Don't we need to prove that there is such a thing as a "soul" before we start with the nonsense of at which nanosecond it "fuses" with the physical body in the womb? I mean, how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

      July 6, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Moby,
      Exactly. Ain't no such animal. Don't hold your breath for the proof. My point is, while they attempt to define "moment", however, that's done, or whenever, one can always find a better clock. Life and consciousness are emergent phenomena. We know what the factors are. The ancient paradigms are no longer necessary.

      July 6, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • TR6

      Identical twining only happens some time after fertilization and after some number of divisions of the original egg is fertilized. If the soul enters the body at the point of fertilization that must mean that one of the identical twins doesn’t have a soul

      July 6, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • llɐq ʎʞɔnq

      Identical twinning is know to happen two week after fertilization. Oh oh.

      July 6, 2012 at 11:09 pm |
  12. JohnQuest

    The Knight of God, Catholics are Christians, I think you mean that you are a Protestant. I ask again (I did not see where you answered this, please forgive me if you have already answered).

    How do you teach Moral Values (I take it you mean selected Christian Values), to a starving family?

    July 6, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      No problem, here was my response lol I got so manty
      @JohnnyQuest

      "The Knight of God, Question, How do you propose to teach moral values to a starving family?
      Morals are great if you have a choice in the things you do. If however, you are a Women in North Sudan (or any third world country) you have NO choices. I agree, I think the core issues are Morals but you can't teach someone Morals if they are starving and watching their children die from lack of clean water. "

      I understand that and at the same time, I will not ever truly understand what they are going through. None of us Americans will. But this I do understand, you have a choice no matter where you are at. You can choose to give up on life or keep fighting for it. You can choose to make a life better or worse for yourself or your kids. We have a free will to do whatever. Don't tell the Arabs in the middle east they don't have a choice... they are going to make a choice. We need to help these people realize that and help them make moral choices. If it were me, if my country were in good shape, I'd try and aid as many of those poor countries as physically possible. But people aren't fond of sharing. Moral principles apply to everyone and those poor folks can do better if they were taught to DO better. We aren't teaching them that, we are just helping them dig their own graves and lie in it. I offer a way to live both abundantly and morally. And that way is thru Jesus. Now I understand, NOOOOOO NOT RELIGION!!!! But it will teach them how to live a righteous and good life as opposed to us who live and don't care about nothing. You want to turn Africa into another America? or a better version of it? You really want to help these people, let's give food to those who don't have any, let's help them learn moral choices and make to a point where they don't have to do drastic things to live. How many of us are willing to do that? Not many... and that's the problem with the atheistic solution... its no solution at all, just a rug covering the mess.

      "Contraceptives help in many ways especially slowing the rate of AIDS\HIV, preventing pregnancies, and helping to empower women."

      Empower them to do what? Have more s ex? You slow the rate of one and you'll increase the chance of another. You are not stopping the problem, just adding on to it. Explain what is it empowering them to do. I hear EMPOWERMENT... but to do what? is it solving the inequality problem? Not at all... Is it stopping STDs.... not at all... Give me a solution that will stop this madness...

      July 6, 2012 at 4:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      Fu.ck your prostelythizing, fu.ck your religion, just help these people to make their situation better without using it as a fu.cking excuse to spread your fu.cked up divisive, ilogical, piece of sh.it religion.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:36 pm |
    • Colin

      Knight of God – it empowers them by giving them the choice not to have children. Contraceptives do not help stop disease, but condoms, another form of birth control Catholics hate, do.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      In short... how do you teach a starving family morals? By showing them love and kindess. Giving what you can spare to them and then show them the right way to live. Earn their respect and they will follow you. Guide them through the right ways of life that you know that will keep them out of harms way... I know my way will keep many people out of harm's way. But not many are willing to do it.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:37 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      It's not "the right way" it's just your way. All you want is for everyone to believe as you do! It always amazes me how religious people can use anything to just push their religion.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @hawaiiguest

      You are such a hypocrite... you are pushing your non belief on others, what's the difference? I am pushing my faith yes, I have no problem admitting this but I think you do. You want people to live your way, I want people to live God's way. I said my way solves all those issues we mentioned. Yours do not. I stated that not everyone wants to do that, but I said if they did it would solve all issues. You cannot point out any flaws in my way... but I can point out all the ones in yours... don't be so arrogant.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      Can't point out any flaws? Maybe you should read your bible without the apologetics, the rationalizations, or the pick and choose mentality, and see everything that it says is "right" and "moral". I really don't care if everyone thinks like me, in fact I hope it never gets to that point, but wat I do want is for everyone to keep their religions to themselves, and if they are going to attempt to help those less fortunate, keep the proselytizing out of it, no strings. I would like for religions (especially christians) to come up with the evidence for their belief if they think that anyone else should believe their claims. There's a whole lot of things that I would like, but mainly I would like for everyone to respect the rights of everyone else to believe as they want, and to not attempt to use tragedies or disasters as an EXCUSE to push their fu.cking religion.

      July 6, 2012 at 5:13 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @hawaiiguest

      You contradicted yourself... you say you don't want people thinking like you? Then why argue to try and prove me wrong? You are on these forums all the time voicing an opinion

      July 6, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      Yes I voice an opinion, yet I do not pass off anything I say as an "absolute truth" (I don't accept the premise of absolutes except in very rare occasions), and if I claim any truth to my claims, I give the reasons and the evidence, unlike you.

      July 6, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Knighty, nobody gives a ripe sh!t what you believe, as long as you keep your beliefs out of our laws, our schools, and our private lives.

      If you continue to proselytize here, anyone has a perfect right to tell you full of crap. Don't like it? Tough. I don't care if you worship Ra or Zeus or anything else. What I do resent is your presenting your beliefs as fact when are nothing of the sort.

      July 6, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Unknown

      atheists force atheism upon every non-atheist..they lie.

      July 6, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What kind of moron asks a question like "empower them to do what?" You git, empower them not to be pregnant every year with another kid they can't afford. Empower them to get an education instead of spending every waking minute with a baby stuck to a boob.

      What kind of dolt doesn't know that when women can control the size of their families (and YES that does mean with contraceptives, Knight of the Shining Dumbbells), the economic picture improves not just for the family but for an entire region. Read something besides your stupid Bible. You might actually learn a fact. Even YOU.

      July 6, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, I took half your post to "Knighty, nobody gives a ripe sh!t what you believe, as long as you keep your beliefs out of our laws, our schools, and our private lives."

      Answer: It's you atheists that are forcing your beliefs when Jesus' truth is removed.

      July 7, 2012 at 12:26 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You blind fvckwit, name one law atheists are "forcing" on you, you dried up old hag.

      July 7, 2012 at 8:25 pm |
  13. Voice of Reason

    I had an opportunity to watch a Charlie Rose segment with Bill Gates. I must say that it was the first time I was able to have an opinion about him because of the length and depth of the interview. If his wife is as impassioned as he is about doing very smart and doable philanthropy for others on a grand scale I can only be proud for people like them. I don't know if Bill Gates is an atheist but it sure sounds like it and it apparently has influenced his wife and her religious doctrine. Actions such as these come from intelligence, logic and reasoning in a real world where the population is bubbling over at 7 billion with more on the horizon. It makes perfect sense to initiate their agenda as this could be the beginning to reaching people all over the world and treating them for polio and other diseases that we take for granted as being a non-issue here in our country. I just wish he'd run for president, just sayin'.

    July 6, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • ME II

      I always thought that their foundation worked in the two most sensible areas: health and education.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @ME II

      Yes, correct, health and education. These are the two most important factors that we as a species must allow everyone to have in order to evolve towards a healthy and intelligent world society. Unfortunately we as a group rely on government to push the envelope but when we allow god and religion to get in the way all progress stops cold.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      While I am not a Catholic (I am a Christian), I do have to agree with them as far as not wanting to hand out contraception. You have one view and they have another and as a Christian my view is similiar in thought. You're way is not solving the problem but merely covering it up as I explained earlier but to summerize my point: You change the morality and the thought process about s ex, you have destroyed the root of the problem and all else will die along with it, allowing positive change. However, you cover it up with this for example, the root will continue to grow deeper.

      The problem is not God... its humanity. Voice of Reason, your statement was highly unreasonable.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @The Knight of God

      I respect your opinion but I totally disagree. Why do you think we have 7 billion people on this planet? Do you think that is manageable? Should we keep the population growing? If you think that we should I would have to state that YOU are not being reasonable. If you think that we shouldn't keep bringing people into this world please share your solution to the over population process, thanks in advance.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @The Knight of God

      Sorry, I didn't read your earlier posts. Now I understand where you are basing your morality issues on. If abstaining is your answer you will lose every time, not going to happen. The drive is too powerful and natural but you turn it around and make it a moral issue. What is it that you do not understand about nature? Take the god thing out of the equation and look at world as it sits right now. I should have never gotten to this point of overpopulation. Why did it? IGNORANCE, RELIGION, GOD, DOGMA, DOCTRINE and all the other unreasonable ideas. You state that s*ex is a "beautiful" thing. Dude, it's two people, like two dogs, or two bugs, or two fish, or two maybe three or more animals having intercourse, whatever...get your head out of the clouds. It's people like you that will be and continue to be a threat to our species.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      I do appreciate one civilized atheist lol that I really appreciate but as far as your questions about overpopulation. I believe there is a food concern for the people first and foremost. Most of these issues would be solved with again solving the moral issues that lie within all communties... in this case greed. America has more food than we know what to do with but we seldom give to others without some sort of compensation. We aren't the only country that could help with this but then Africa's countries within would have to usurp its corrupt leaders and get ones with an interest of the common man to aid in this. Africa has many resources that can be used to sate this problem but it is not being used towards these goals. It's used in endless wars and violence while innocents die all around. This is not a problem of God... its a problem of the heart of men. We can solve these issues if we changed our perspective... but this is something only God can do lol... literally. Humans are far too selfish. We have few altrustic people in the world that would be willing. But more that is not for the common good of humanity.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:52 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      You say the drive is too powerful and too natural... its powerful and it is natural... but it can be resisted. You aren't offering a way to stop the problem, only to prolong it. It is completely possible to resist it. We aren't mere animals. We have self-control, only if you give yourself over to your desires then you aren't going to resist. Without God, we have your way of thinking which is the main reason why people are in the trouble they are in.

      If you are not aware, you are spouting a doctrine... just not of one of the supernatural. You cannot blame everything on religion. Religion is a man made ideal is it not? Its no different than Athiesm. Which hold emphasize on humanism more so than supernatual religion.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      Abstinence does not work, and this has been shown in every state that deals with abstinence only education. It is not practical, and it never works.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:05 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @The Knight of God

      It's obvious a religious moral issue with you and by no way a reasonable solution to a very real problem. Your archaic outdated immorality and sense of perversion is unsettling. Man created god and religion and guess what, it doesn't work. It needs to go away. Man discovered science and medicine and guess what, it works. Which one would you choose? The one that works or the one that never worked and never will? There's nothing I could say that you would even consider even when you know it's true. You are lost in a lost tribe of the illogical. One day, just like me, you will die, you will stop breathing, nothing more, no afterlife, no god. But I did not delude myself, at least recently. And please quit bringing in morality that is so ridiculous it is repulsive. People like you have a serious problem when it comes to anything to do with intimate relationships to the point of perversion.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @HawaiiGuest

      Well I am living proof that it does lol But if you don't instill the values behind it in a child then of course it won't. It won't work when you don't put effort into it.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      Individual success or failure does not contribute to the overall merit of a proposal. You ignore the FACTS that states that have implemented abstinence only education have led to nothing but an increase in STD's and teen pregnancies in those states. Another funny thing, those states are some of the most religious in the country.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      So the newer and more up to date version is, "Do whatever you want, as long as it doesn't harm anyone..." look at where that has gotten us. That is not new, that is as old as religion itself lol. Don't delude yourself into thinking this is something no one has ever thought of in the past. It has failed in the past and is the reason it is a minority right now. I have nothing against science at all. You assume too much. Its like when Christians think all atheists are all self-righteous, self absorbed morons with no sense of morality. I know that's not true. But its time you come out of your box as well. You haven't offered no reason why my way is wrong, however, I can show you historically and statisically speaking how yours is.

      I am sorry but this "new" way of living is far too illogical for my taste. I prefer the "old" way of believing in a God that created the world instead of some magical bang happened and poof everything came into existence. The more simplistic way of the atheistic creation story. Voice of Reason... you are offering statements with no validity, no evidence behind your claims. While I can point to the cult of reason for example... oh yes... freedom from religion ended up in millions being killed... USSR with state atheism... millions more dying... Yes... your way is definitely the best way. I am not saying religion doesn't have its flaws because it does. But I don't believe in religion. I simply have faith in God and His Son Jesus. Call it what you will... but my way has been the safest path to walk.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Knight of God

      "I simply have faith in God and His Son Jesus"

      If you could provide proof of either one of those things I might consider your proposition.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:35 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @Knight

      By the way the solution is contraceptive or neutering.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      This applies only to the believer and not the atheist? That's like me asking you, "Prove there is no God..." I know you cannot do this, it's impossible for you to do so. Asking me to prove God's existence over an online forum is the same as proving the Big Bang in life... can't do it. I could talk and talk but what good is that unless I can talk to you in person which will not happen. The evidence of God is obvious to one whose heart is not harden to the idea. You cannot prove He doesn't which leaves REASONABLE doubt that you could be wrong. Do you know everything in the universe whereas you have quanitifiable evidence that He doesn't? No... I can tell you now you don't, no need to defend this because we barely know 1% of the universe as it is. Even if we knew 99%... what about the 1%? Ask that question if you really wanted to know, otherwise don't waste my time with that fruitless question. I have no wish to entertain someone whose heart is set against Him.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @The Knight of God

      Sorry buddy, you have the burden of proof, not I. You cannot wish away the unknown with your god. Because you fail to comprehend a world without a god everyone else has to listen to your BS. You make no sense even though I know you think very highly of your conviction, it doesn't make it true. All the best to you and your world view but keep away from the innocent and the young.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @Voice of Reason

      Nice cop-out... as I said, there is no reasoning with you. I gave you a valid reason and you refuse. :) Atheists will take your side but in the light of logical and reasonable thinking... that was a highly stupid response to my own. You avoided the whole thing :) I reversed it and you avoided it.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:20 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @Knight

      You have given no logic, you have merely said you want an old style government where everyone agrees with your concept of god. You ignore the burden of proof, and give nothing but condescending drivel.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • Voice of Reason

      @The Knight of God

      These will be my last statements to you. If anyone here is "copping-out" it's you. You cannot handle the truth of this reality. Keep your morality debate to the likes of your own, the world where everyone loves one another and everything is beautiful. Yeah, right. Goodbye.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @The Knight of God

      It is wrong of you to shift the burden of proof onto the skeptic. You should know better. You claim there is a certain god, yet you offer no proof. The skeptic can hardly prove his "nothing" claim, can he? How do you prove to a unicorn believer that unicorns don't exist? How can an atheist prove that god ISNT? Any ideas?

      The burden of proof is with the person claiming a positive "thing." That's why you don't buy the Golden Gate bridge from a bum, and it's why you "close" on real estate in a lawyer's office. Don't be so stupid as to insist that the atheist "prove" his non-claim.

      July 6, 2012 at 6:16 pm |
  14. Pablo

    Great logic, Melinda. Instead of preventing poverty, let's just prevent poor people!

    July 6, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Delusions 3:15

      How many would you like to make Pablo ?

      July 6, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • sam

      The idjit didn't read the article. Spacing kids out helps families get a better financial hold of their lives.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
  15. Freeme Please

    I thank Melinda Gates for supporting contraception for poor women around the world. Its so easy for those rich enough to afford children to be against improving the quality of life for women in countries or situations where they have no voice in practicing 'restraint' as an option for birth control. For them access to contraception is the only way to have children they can provide for.

    July 6, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  16. Freeme Please

    All I can say to Melinda Gates is 'THANK YOU'. Finally women in subjugated societies around the world have found a savior.

    July 6, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
  17. Dave

    Melinda Gates is working to provide contraception where it is desperately needed and we should applaud her efforts. I too am a practicing Catholic and although I don't support all contraception programs she is concentrating where it is needed and wanted most. Please help her in this effort.

    July 6, 2012 at 12:20 pm |
    • ME II

      +1

      July 6, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
    • Fr. Mike Petroski

      Dear Dave,
      Melinda Gates didn't ask for any help, but if you wish to contribute your hard-earned income to one of the richest women in the world, so she can line the pockets of billionaire pharmaceutical executive MEN, please be my guest.
      On the other hand if you wish to assist REAL efforts to take care of people, may I humbly suggest Catholic Relief Services?
      Have a great day!

      July 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm |
    • sam

      @Fr. Mike – what? What is wrong with you?

      July 6, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • ME II

      @Fr. Mike...,
      Contribute to organizations that, in effect, promote the spread of HIV/AIDS by condemning the use of condoms? Do you hate people?

      July 6, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
  18. The Knight of God

    This is going to sound stupid but I am going to state this anyway:

    People need to recognize the consequences of having s ex when you aren't ready to deal with the possible consequences that go along with that. We live in a society that is so s ex driven, it's as if people cannot live without doing it until they get to meet the "right" one. And its largely due to the fact, people don't know how to work relationships and so the ideals of love, honor, commitment are lost in this day and age. It's really sad that now we are encouraging younger people to have s ex instead of waiting.

    Those who advocate this ideal is looked upon as incredibly "stupid", but I rather be a Socrates than be part of Athen's incredible immorality. I talk and counsel people so often about this subject and they are really redundant things. People forgot what love really is. They sleep around thinking this will fulfill them and when they get done after several years, they feel this is all they have to offer the world. Or on the flipside of that, there are people who really don't care and people are nothing more than objects waiting to be used. Then you have people like myself whose avoiding that and dealing with the temptations. Yet, no kids, no STDs, living a productive and healthy life. It can be done but people need to have that same faith in order for that to happen. But this is no longer enstilled in my generation or the next.

    Being taught to avoid responsibility to have s ex for pleasure is degrading. S ex is a beautiful thing, I believe this is what people don't hear Christians say too often. It really is beautiful, otherwise, we wouldn't be here. But within the confines of marriage you have little to worry about. I know so many people with so many different "baby mommas" or "baby daddies" and these kids don't know who their parents are. Or so many lives being lost to abortion because their would been parents weren't ready... it senseless.

    The only rebuttal I had to this was: "People can't stop themselves." So you are going to help them in their struggle to give in to their desire?

    July 6, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • a person of the Name

      Aman! Couldn't say it better myself.

      July 6, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • ME II

      @The Knight of God,
      "Being taught to avoid responsibility to have s ex for pleasure is degrading. "

      Not certain I understand your wording here, but teaching responsible se.x, i.e. 'if you're going to have se.x, at least don't have children until you're ready to raise them', seems to be the responsible thing to teach. Now if you're dreaming of the idealized days when everyone got married first and the had se.x, you are deluding yourself.
      Biologically, people are geared to start procreating in the mid to late teens, whether they are married or not. Anything beyond that, e.g. marriage, is an attempt to mitigate biology, with only varying degrees of success.

      July 6, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @ME II

      @The Knight of God,
      "Being taught to avoid responsibility to have s ex for pleasure is degrading. "

      Basically, I was taught don't have s ex till I was married and my mother told me of her life and how it was living that way. I was taught this from when I was young up till my teens and I listened lol.

      "Now if you're dreaming of the idealized days when everyone got married first and the had se.x, you are deluding yourself."

      Lol trust me, I am not aware of how our world is... people are just s ex fiends especially today.

      "Biologically, people are geared to start procreating in the mid to late teens, whether they are married or not. Anything beyond that, e.g. marriage, is an attempt to mitigate biology, with only varying degrees of success"

      I am still a young guy so I am very.... VERY aware of how I am geared, it wasn't long ago when I turned 18 (I am 23 now). Basically it's like this: I learned self-control and practiced that. I told my girlfriend how thing was going to be and she accepted that. We came close a few times to be honest. But never did anything beyond what I could do. If I can do this, anyone can. The statistics were against me, I should be like everyone else... but I have a very good mother. When I am ready to have a kid, I'll teach him/her the same thing and hopefully they'll pass that along. I would love to encourage people to get back where we should be morally. But that will take more than a lifetime.

      July 6, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Ed

      @Me II, I Thonk what Knight is trying to say is people should be responsible for their actions. While I disagree that making birth control available prevents, this I can see his point. You stated "Biologically, people are geared to start procreating in the mid to late teens." tthis is true but we are in control and can choose too. Its hard but we are not dogs or cats. To simply give in a say fine go have s ex is at best a cop out.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • ME II

      @The Knight of God, @Ed,
      I guess I needed to more clear myself. I wasn't saying "fine go have s ex." What I was trying to say is that claiming moral superiority for abstaining is misguided. While I applaud the responsibility of such an approach, it is no more responsible nor more moral than having se.x, but not getting pregnant until one can support the child. In other words, abstinence until marriage is not the moral epitome that "Knight" is claiming (pridefully?), since marriage itself is an artificial construct. Marriage is not the moral criteria. If two 18 year olds (or younger, if able) have children without getting married and raise then responsibly, then they have done the right thing, ethically.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:31 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      The Knight of God; Ought equals can, you are right we Ought (in our society we can) to be responsible for our actions. Mrs. Gates is not talking about our society, she is referring to some backward third world country were people barely have toilets, were Woman grow up to believe that they are inferior to men. It is unfair to equate the social mores of our "developed" society to a society where finding clean water is a challenge, were most women can't feed their children.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • Delusions 3:15

      Bullsh1t.
      S ex has always, in primates had more than one purpose. "We live in a soceity", is a simplistic bunch of crap. Prove that today's many cultures are any different than the past. Such a load of crap.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @MEII, JohnnyQuest

      I am going to ignore Delusions because he totally did not read my post lol. But anyway, the problem over there is not a physical one but a moral one. If you give them contraception, it is not solving the issue with the inequality between men and women nor is it solving the s exual issues there. It is merely covering it up and give them a pat on the back so to speak in their actions. If you affect the morality of a society, its much easier to deal with those issues because the root of the problem isn't s ex. Its their view of s ex.

      S ex is, as I said before, good. And as Ed said before, people need to be responsible and that we aren't cats or dogs. We can say no and invoke our self-control. But as I said this is a moral issue. You want to fix the problem in Africa and in every other society? You attack the root of the problem which is typically moral issues such as lust, greed, pride, etc. We must instill moral values. I have friends from Africa who use self control and don't sleep with everything that walks. It can be done... people need the will power to do it however.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You're lying, Knighty-nite. I know because you don't have any friends in Africa or anywhere else.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Thanks to hundreds of thousands of years of evolution human mating is no longer subject to estrus. Humans have evolved to be, well, hôrny. Other related primates are as well.

      A few years ago I was fortunate enough to be at a conference with one of the world's leading experts in adolescent psychology. She said that she had been working in the field for 35 years and that in her professional opinion, there was nothing on earth hornier than a 16 year old human.

      Humans are going to have sex. Stating that humans should not have sèx will have the same effect as telling them not to eat food.

      Having religious groups demand that we not teach/educate people in impoverished areas to use côndoms is insane.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Duh

      This is going to sound stupid but I am going to state this anyway:

      People need to recognize the consequences of skydiving when you aren't ready to deal with the possible consequences that go along with that, aka gravity. We live in a society that is so driven by skydiving, it's as if people cannot live without doing it until they get to the "right" height. And its largely due to the fact, people don't know how to work parachutes and so the ideals of tying knots, rolling chute, and jumping are lost in this day and age. It's really sad that now we are encouraging younger people to skydive safely instead of just waiting for our sky daddy to approve it.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      As I said before, as seen in the last three responding posts, there is no adequate rebuttal. "People are going to have s ex..." is a great cop out. No need to address this any further. I will respond to intelligent responses however.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yet you did respond, Knighty. You just can't refute what any of the posts said. You don't know any people in Africa. If you did, you wouldn't phrase it like that. You'd be specific. You would state where exactly they live, so that we could see that said "friends" aren't part of the population that is likely to be at risk, i.e.: poor, rural, uneducated.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Sally Smith

      Did you not note that the Gates Foundation is launching this program in Africa for crying out loud! The situation you are describing is relevant to the US but not in countries where women are treated like chattel and live in abject poverty. What do you think would happen to the poor women if they said to the men, "thanks, but not tonight dear"?

      July 6, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • sam

      @Sally – Knight is too busy being morally righteous to use logic.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      The Knight of God, Question, How do you propose to teach moral values to a starving family?

      Morals are great if you have a choice in the things you do. If however, you are a Women in North Sudan (or any third world country) you have NO choices. I agree, I think the core issues are Morals but you can't teach someone Morals if they are starving and watching their children die from lack of clean water.

      Contraceptives help in many ways especially slowing the rate of AIDS\HIV, preventing pregnancies, and helping to empower women.

      July 6, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • The Knight of God

      @JohnnyQuest

      "The Knight of God, Question, How do you propose to teach moral values to a starving family?
      Morals are great if you have a choice in the things you do. If however, you are a Women in North Sudan (or any third world country) you have NO choices. I agree, I think the core issues are Morals but you can't teach someone Morals if they are starving and watching their children die from lack of clean water. "

      I understand that and at the same time, I will not ever truly understand what they are going through. None of us Americans will. But this I do understand, you have a choice no matter where you are at. You can choose to give up on life or keep fighting for it. You can choose to make a life better or worse for yourself or your kids. We have a free will to do whatever. Don't tell the Arabs in the middle east they don't have a choice... they are going to make a choice. We need to help these people realize that and help them make moral choices. If it were me, if my country were in good shape, I'd try and aid as many of those poor countries as physically possible. But people aren't fond of sharing. Moral principles apply to everyone and those poor folks can do better if they were taught to DO better. We aren't teaching them that, we are just helping them dig their own graves and lie in it. I offer a way to live both abundantly and morally. And that way is thru Jesus. Now I understand, NOOOOOO NOT RELIGION!!!! But it will teach them how to live a righteous and good life as opposed to us who live and don't care about nothing. You want to turn Africa into another America? or a better version of it? You really want to help these people, let's give food to those who don't have any, let's help them learn moral choices and make to a point where they don't have to do drastic things to live. How many of us are willing to do that? Not many... and that's the problem with the atheistic solution... its no solution at all, just a rug covering the mess.

      "Contraceptives help in many ways especially slowing the rate of AIDS\HIV, preventing pregnancies, and helping to empower women."

      Empower them to do what? Have more s ex? You slow the rate of one and you'll increase the chance of another. You are not stopping the problem, just adding on to it. Explain what is it empowering them to do. I hear EMPOWERMENT... but to do what? is it solving the inequality problem? Not at all... Is it stopping STDs.... not at all... Give me a solution that will stop this madness...

      July 6, 2012 at 3:54 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Knight of Gawd
      Birth control in its various forms empower women by giving them some control over one of their natural biological functions, and give them better protection against the spread of disease.
      The end result MIGHT be that they have more s e x...so what. If that is your only argument, consider the argument over.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • ME II

      @The Knight of God,
      "If you give them contraception, it is not solving the issue with the inequality between men and women nor is it solving the s exual issues there."
      Who brought up inequality issues? We were talking about reproductive control and poverty, I thought. And yes contraceptives will solve the se.xual issues, when those issues are a lack of control over getting pregnant and spreading disease, i.e. when used properly condoms prevent, to a large extent, pregnancy and disease.

      "We can say no and invoke our self-control." You are correct, and we can also exercise our self-control by using condoms and other contraceptives.

      "But as I said this is a moral issue." How so exactly? Getting pregnant without the ability to care for a baby is ethically wrong, I think, but having se.x out of wedlock is not. There is nothing morally wrong with with se.x between two consenting adults. If they take care to prevent unwanted pregnancy and the spread of disease, then what is the moral issue?

      July 6, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • ME II

      @The Knight of God,
      Oh, I see... Mrs. Gates said "empower" women, that's the inequality you're talking about.

      And that brings up a very good point, married women in many cultures, including many "moral" Christian cultures, don't have a say in their marital duties. How is a women supposed to control her reproduction when she is "married" and has no choice, at least none based on the culture of marital duty. This is what the Gates' are trying to address and empower the women to control their own reproductive abilities.
      Even married women should be able to not get pregnant if they don't want to.

      July 6, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
  19. Judaism God was stolen from Sumerians

    First thing she needs to do is leave the Catholic Church and stop supporting their illegal activities.

    July 6, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Delusions 3:15

      and their god, who needs a human sacrifice.

      July 6, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
  20. Reality

    What Mrs. Gates should have said:

    - from a guy who enjoys intelligent se-x-

    Note: Some words hyphenated to defeat an obvious word filter. ...

    The Brutal Effects of Stupidity:

    : The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill ( 8.7% actual failure rate) and male con-dom (17.4% actual failure rate) have led to the large rate of abortions and S-TDs in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.- Failure rate statistics provided by the Gut-tmacher Inst-itute. Unfortunately they do not give the statistics for doubling up i.e. using a combination of the Pill and a condom.

    Added information before making your next move:

    from the CDC-2006

    "Se-xually transmitted diseases (STDs) remain a major public health challenge in the United States. While substantial progress has been made in preventing, diagnosing, and treating certain S-TDs in recent years, CDC estimates that approximately 19 million new infections occur each year, almost half of them among young people ages 15 to 24.1 In addition to the physical and psy-ch-ological consequences of S-TDs, these diseases also exact a tremendous economic toll. Direct medical costs as-sociated with STDs in the United States are estimated at up to $14.7 billion annually in 2006 dollars."

    And from:

    Consumer Reports, January, 2012

    "Yes, or-al se-x is se-x, and it can boost cancer risk-

    Here's a crucial message for teens (and all se-xually active "post-teeners": Or-al se-x carries many of the same risks as va-ginal se-x, including human papilloma virus, or HPV. And HPV may now be overtaking tobacco as the leading cause of or-al cancers in America in people under age 50.

    "Adolescents don’t think or-al se-x is something to worry about," said Bonnie Halpern-Felsher professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco. "They view it as a way to have intimacy without having 's-ex.'" (It should be called the Bill Clinton Syndrome !!)

    Obviously, political leaders in both parties, Planned Parenthood, parents, the "stupid part of the USA" and the educational system have failed miserably on many fronts.

    The most effective forms of contraception, ranked by "Perfect use":

    - (Abstinence, 0% failure rate)
    .-(Masturbation, mono or mutual, 0% failure rate)

    Followed by:
    One-month injectable and Implant (both at 0.05 percent)
    Vasectomy and IUD (Mirena) (both at 0.1 percent)
    The Pill, Three-month injectable, and the Patch (all at 0.3 percent)
    Tubal sterilization (at 0.5 percent)
    IUD (Copper-T) (0.6 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Post-ovulation) (1.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Symptothermal) and Male condom (both at 2.0 percent)
    Periodic abstinence (Ovulation method) (3.0 percent)

    Every other method ranks below these, including Withdrawal (4.0), Female condom (5.0), Diaphragm (6.0), Periodic abstinence (calendar) (9.0), the Sponge (9.0-20.0, depending on whether the woman using it has had a child in the past), Cervical cap (9.0-26.0, with the same caveat as the Sponge), and Spermicides (18.0).

    July 6, 2012 at 7:22 am |
    • Bo

      Reality, This one of the very few, copy and paste, posts that you have made that I read, however I think it is very significant and should be read and reacted upon by all teens, young adults and parents. But, what would be best is that parents could instill in the minds of their children the ramifications of careless, promiscuous intimate relations including the failure rate of artificial control.

      July 6, 2012 at 9:32 am |
    • ME II

      I suspect that this data is somewhat misleading. One Guttmacher report states, "Ideally, contraceptive failure would be defined as a conception occurring in an act of intercourse when a contraceptive method was in use." (http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3105699.html)
      If that is the measure used then abstinence should be excluded as it is not "an act of intercourse when a contraceptive method was in use."

      July 6, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Reality

      AGAIN:

      Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs. Abstinence and masturbation are logically two of these safer methods. No semantics needed.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Reality

      AGAIN:

      Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or co-ndoms properly and/or use safer methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs. Abstinence and masturbation (mono or mutual) are logically two of these safer methods.

      July 6, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Kim

      One further note if I may. In the United States there was the wild west', soehimtng everyone is aware of from american and Italian westerns, but in Canada there was the Royal' Canadian Mounted Police (the mountie). Established by Queen Victoria, they both protected under the law the Canadian Indian, they also kept law and order in the Canadian west as the territories unfolded, even over Americans who joined the gold rush through Canada to the north. The Mountie always got his man. Justice can prevail. Just takes authority with will-ingness.

      September 6, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
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