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July 9th, 2012
11:01 AM ET

California man acquitted of attacking priest

(CNN)–William Lynch talks to CNN's Don Lemon about his acquittal of attacking a retired priest who allegedly abused him.

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  1. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    July 12, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs:!

      July 13, 2012 at 10:59 am |
  2. Bill Deacon

    I think I keep looking here for something that isn't here

    July 10, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      Your faith, or your dignity?

      July 10, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill,

      what are you looking for here?

      Can we help?

      July 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  3. Reality

    The "vomit-inducing" ped-ophilia and coverup will simply hasten the decline of all religions as they finally go extinct from their own absurdity..

    It is time to replace all religions with a few rules like "Do No Harm" and convert all houses of "worthless worship" to recreation facilities and parks.

    July 10, 2012 at 8:06 am |
    • Bill Deacon

      On what authority will these new rules be based and why should I adhere to them?

      July 10, 2012 at 9:10 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

      1 Thessalonians 2:15

      Amen.

      July 10, 2012 at 9:59 am |
    • Reality

      Take your choice as to rules to follow:

      Many OT, NT and koran thu-mpers are actually thu-mping the rules and codes of the ancients like King Hammurabi and the Egyptians who wrote the Book of the Dead and who did NOT need revelations from angels or mountain voices to develop needed rules of conduct for us h-o-minids.

      "Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .

      I have not reviled the God.
      I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
      I have not done what the God abominates . . .
      I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
      I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
      I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
      I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
      I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
      I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
      I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
      I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
      I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
      I have not blocked the God at his processions."

      "The Book of the Dead was written circa 1800 BCE. 2 The Schofield Reference Bible estimates that the Hebrew Exodus from Egypt and the provision of the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai occurred in 1491 BCE., some three centuries later. Many religious liberals, historians, and secularists have concluded that the Hebrew Scripture's Ten Commandments were based on this earlier docu-ment, rather than vice-versa."

      "Primum non nocere is a Latin phrase that means "First, do no harm". The phrase is sometimes recorded as primum nil nocere.[1]

      Non-maleficence, which is derived from the maxim, is one of the principal precepts of medical ethics that all medical students are taught in medical school and is a fundamental principle for emergency medical services around the world."

      "Ancient Babylon

      Some early incarnations of the Golden Rule, found in the Code of Hammurabi, (1780 BCE),[12] dealt with ethical reciprocity in ways, such by limiting retribution to only that which was equal and equitable, as they did concepts of retribution ("an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth").

      [edit] Ancient China

      The Golden Rule existed among all the major philosophical schools of Ancient China: Mohism, Taoism, and Confucianism. Examples of the concept include:

      "Zi Gong asked, saying, "Is there one word that may serve as a rule of practice for all one's life?" The Master said, "Is not RECIPROCITY such a word?" – Confucius[13][14]

      "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself." – Confucius[15]

      "If people regarded other people's families in the same way that they regard their own, who then would incite their own family to attack that of another? For one would do for others as one would do for oneself." – Mozi

      "The sage has no interest of his own, but takes the interests of the people as his own. He is kind to the kind; he is also kind to the unkind: for Virtue is kind. He is faithful to the faithful; he is also faithful to the unfaithful: for Virtue is faithful." –Laozi[16]

      "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss." –Laozi[17]

      [edit] Ancient Egypt

      An early example of the Golden Rule that reflects the Ancient Egyptian concept of Maat appears in the story of The Eloquent Peasant, which dates to the Middle Kingdom (c. 2040–1650 BCE): "Now this is the command: Do to the doer to cause that he do thus to you."[8] An example from a Late Period (c. 664 BCE – 323 BCE) papyrus: "That which you hate to be done to you, do not do to another."[18]

      [edit] Ancient Greece

      The Golden Rule in its prohibitive form was a common principle in ancient Greek philosophy. Examples of the general concept include:

      "Do not to your neighbor what you would take ill from him." – Pittacus[19] (c. 640–568 BCE)

      "Avoid doing what you would blame others for doing." – Thales[20] (c. 624 BC – c. 546 BC)

      "What you do not want to happen to you, do not do it yourself either. " – Se-xtus the Pythagorean.[21] The oldest extant reference to Se-xtus is by Origen in the third century of the common era.[22]

      "Do not do to others what would anger you if done to you by others." – Isocrates[23](436–338 BCE)

      "What thou avoidest suffering thyself seek not to impose on others." – Epictetus[24]

      "It is impossible to live a pleasant life without living wisely and well and justly (agreeing 'neither to harm nor be harmed'[25]), and it is impossible to live wisely and well and justly without living a pleasant life." – Epicurus[26]

      "...it has been shown that to injure anyone is never just anywhere." – Socrates, in Plato's Republic. Plato is the first person known to have said this.[27]
      "

      July 10, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
  4. The Carnal Houseplant

    Please water me this week.

    July 10, 2012 at 12:04 am |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      I'll goldenshower your dads mouth.

      July 10, 2012 at 12:07 am |
  5. L

    lol i lol make lol atheist lol trolls lol come lol out lol.

    July 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • L

      I lol am lol afraid lol to lol come lol out lol yself lol daddy lol will lol whoop lol me lol if lol he lol ever lol catches lol me lol with lol the lol leatherboys lol at lol the lol public lol restroom lol again

      July 9, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • L

      L is for Leather. Masks, whips, chaps, it's all so manly.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • L

      oh yes I'm very k.i.n.k.y ^_^

      July 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      I am a dumbshit 18-year old fop who trolls about others trolling.

      Case closed!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:57 pm |
  6. TheCapitalist

    lol drop lol my lol eager lol anxious lol sac lol on lol your lol eye lol sockets lol

    July 9, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      I do too LOL! E unus pluribum!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • L

      Wow, summer break is half over, and all I have done is sit here being a twirp and go to myu job as a condiment application technician at McDonalds.

      Time well spent for a good Christian troll lie me!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      Don't forget all those times you bopped your baloney, even if it never worked out. Why oh why can't L get viagra? 18 year olds have problems too!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      The trolls come out at night.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Unknown

      Clowns need viagra too, even if they are 18 and don't have a girlfriend.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      I do to have a girlfriend. I have two! Their names are Rosey and Lefty!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Unknown

      I lubed up a wine bottle with Crisco then lowered my dilated semen receptacle on it, it swallowed it up. It was poking out of my belly.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • most atheists here are trolls

      case closed!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      It takes a troll to know a troll, that's why I know, uh, wait a minute, uh, YOU ARE THE TROLL!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:56 pm |
  7. L

    prolapsed.net has excellent photos of the inside of me accepting Gods truths threw Jesus' love.

    July 9, 2012 at 11:16 pm |
    • L

      lol..fail.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:17 pm |
    • L

      Loser. Mudfall.com is my real blog.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:19 pm |
    • TheCapitalist

      lol I lol just lol got lol off lol work lol at lol McDonalds lol. Who lol can lol I lol abuse lol now lol

      July 9, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • L

      lol ur like lol so lol funny lol

      July 9, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • Unknown

      I love it when I hate me! LOL!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:26 pm |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      Hey, don't forget me! One troll, many names, one for all, all for one!

      July 9, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • L

      Unknown, your a twink. I bet your butt hole gets tore up by power tops.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • L

      keep on trollin trolls.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Clown Comment Bro

      I watched a dude blow his sphincter out while doing squat trusts today. It looked like L's moms turd cutter when I was done mashing guts.

      July 9, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
  8. HeavenSent

    Tom, you should change your handle to Cybil.

    July 9, 2012 at 9:09 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Dearie, I just now got back my internet and phone service. It's been out for at least an hour. You're beyond idiotic.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • L

      Such temper troll tom tom.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why? I'm not angry. I'm irritated and amused at the same time.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
    • L

      lol than leave and never return?

      Oh wait..your little fantasy won't be feed.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Houseplant, it's time for bed now.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:44 pm |
    • L

      What you can't handle the truth? Just leave idiot.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • L

      I mean loser..that's what you call people right? "Losers"?

      July 9, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • The Elecric Chair was Invented by a Christian Dentist

      Can I have a troll too? Please? I never get a troll. Tommy gets a really stupid one, so I want one too. I want a really obvious one, one who you can tell exactly who it is, like HeavenSent for Tom Tom. I especially want one who is acting in direct contradiction of the "Golden Rule" and" Turn The Other Cheek" and a few other mandatory rules that Christians never seem to obey.

      Anyone? Anyone? Position open!

      July 9, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
    • Answer

      All these religious name trolls are plainly fvcked up beyond belief.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm |
    • L

      like you.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:00 pm |
    • Answer

      Nope. I'm not religious so you can stay fvcked up all you like. I encourage you to stay that way.. it's amusing.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:01 pm |
    • L

      What a sad excuse troll.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • Answer

      Talking about yourself really helps my case. XD

      July 9, 2012 at 10:10 pm |
    • L

      Lol atheists can't stop going to religious articles because without it,your little delusions won't be satisfied.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:13 pm |
    • Answer

      Ya go try that line for another million years and see if you'll fool yourself into believing it.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm |
    • The Electric Chair was Invented by a Christian Dentist

      WHERE IS MY TROLL?!?!?! Okay, I am going to troll myself, just to prime the pump (so to speak). Here goes:

      "I like to have carnal relations with yeasty malodorous badgers while I am being sodomized by a narwhal."

      "I am a loooser (note to my troll: it is against the law and the 11th commandment to spell "loser" correctly)."

      "You are the false Electric Chair girl! I am the real one! Imposter Electric Chairs steal the name of good Christan electric chairs, and will burn in the Lake of Kool Aid!"

      "My mother was a hamster, and my father smelt of elderberries!"

      Okay, your turn. Make it good.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:17 pm |
    • L

      I know answer the truth is hard to accept.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:18 pm |
    • Answer

      The next sort of thing to expect from you religious dolts is a far out emotional plea.. any moment now.

      Recite some garbage with some raw emotion please..
      You losers can't help yourself in doing it (using emotions over the internet). Just pathetic.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • The Elecric Chair was Invented by a Christian Dentist

      Phony Electric Chair heathen scumsucker! Everone can see that the real Elecric Chair forgot to put a "t" in electric".

      Atheist swine!

      July 9, 2012 at 10:20 pm |
    • Answer

      The sad truth about your truth is that logic prevails.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm |
    • The Elecric Chair was Invented by a Christian Dentist

      You are just trying to deny the hidden truthy truth that Jesus was a transvestite fashion designer for Sears!

      July 9, 2012 at 10:22 pm |
    • The Electric Chair was Invented by a Christian Dentist

      You lousy troll liar!! What a loooser! Everyone knows that Sears has no fashion designer – they only have a monkey with a pencil!

      July 9, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • L

      Stop speaking about yourself.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:23 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Good try Cybil. No cigar for you.

      July 10, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  9. junior

    There is a double standard. And that is sad to see that today in age, Americans think with their emotions and not by the facts. Divorce is high, depression is high, addictions are high, because many lack courage.

    Vivat Jesus. The Church that Christ founded will always prevail.

    July 9, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      did the Catholic priests in the diocesan apparatus who knew about abuse and worked to cover it up follow the teachings of the church?

      July 9, 2012 at 8:02 pm |
    • junior

      If there were clergy with knowledge and elected to cover up crimes then No they didn't follow the teachings of the Church. St. Theresa of Avila once said "The road to hell is paved with the skulls of priests", their fate is in the hands of the Lord.

      Fortunately the Church is undergoing a revival with great priests, deacons, religious monks and nuns. There is no time like to day. Awesome time to be Catholic.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      you say: "Americans think with their emotions and not by the facts."

      This statement resonates with me – I agree, though perhaps not for the same reasons. You demonstrate your emotions by defending the indefensible actions of the Catholic church. The facts are that the church covered up the illegal actions of its personnel.

      I would extrapolate further and suggest that a faith based life can only exist in the absence of facts.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      you can't even admit that which is incontrovertably proven.

      I have no interest in challenging your Catholic faith. It is a gift you have accepted and you are welcome to it and doubtless the 'good' clergy are in the majority.

      It does not improve the mistrust that many Americans hold for the Catholic Church for ordained ministers to be complicit in a cover-up of the most heinous crimes.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • junior

      Let me make it clear that I do not defend illegal actions of the Church, I defend THE CHURCH. Like I said before, those who covered up detestable crimes must answer to God. If it were up to emotions I would probably lack the courage to keep the good fight when others give up so easily. I am thriving in the face of adversity. As St. Paul said, "It is when I am weak when I am strong"

      Allow me to prescribe that in fact it is the marriage of Faith and Reason, that makes life, existence and humanity possible at all. We have seen the fruits or lack thereof of living a life without Faith, Hope and Love.
      Fides et Ratio

      July 9, 2012 at 8:23 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      I have no issue with people who choose to live a life of faith combined with reason. Such a life can be lived well.

      Faith is not a prerequisite for life, existence or humanity, nor do hope, love and charity require faith for them to exist. But I expect we will differ on this point.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:37 pm |
    • duckforcover

      What monestary did you just come from? Don't blame Jesus for the Roman Catholic Church,

      July 9, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
    • Barry Wom

      Oh junior you mean well, but you are using some really bad argumentation.

      "There is a double standard." You make no mention of what you are referring to – not a major problem, just makes the rest harder to follow.

      " Americans think with their emotions and not by the facts". This is blind assertion – you need to support a statement like this, which you cannot. You will also be in a terrible bind talking about religion, because there are no facts, only unsupported assertions. No facts supporting religion.

      "Divorce is high, depression is high, addictions are high" Major non sequiturs – the reason for the first two are, as always, economic. Addiction is actually decreasing, which is a function of the average age of the population (this is true for crime also). None of that has anything to do with "thinking emotionally" or religion, or "because many lack courage" – a vague, unsupported and unsupportable assertion.

      Jesus founded no church or religion – he thought the apocalypse was only a few years away. He left no scriptures or instructions for any religion, and certainly did not show any signs that he was separating from Judaism. He founded no church or religion – humans did that after he died.

      July 9, 2012 at 10:07 pm |
    • sam stone

      Junior: Shouldn't the people who have done (or covered up) these detestable things have to answer to man first?

      July 10, 2012 at 3:09 am |
    • SPA Knight

      Barry Wom – Jesus most certainly did commission his church, ordain the leadership and empowered them on earth. See verses from Mathew 16.

      16 Then Simon Peter spoke up and said, 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'

      17 Jesus replied, 'Simon son of Jonah, you are a blessed man! Because it was no human agency that revealed this to you but my Father in heaven.

      18 So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it.

      19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of Heaven: whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.'

      July 10, 2012 at 10:06 am |
  10. I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

    @Junior,

    You imply with some sarcasm that Catholic clergy should not be held to a high standard? That covering up knowledge of criminal acts with the most innocent and defenceless is reasonable behavior?

    It is wholly inconsistent not only with morality but with church doctrine. What greater hypocrisy and indeed heresy is possible?

    July 9, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Ooops – posted in the wrong spot.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • junior

      I was not sarcastic about holding priests to a higher standard. I am questiooning the double standard with educators, coaches, relatives. they get a pass but not a man of the cloth.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:40 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Junior

      LOL, coaches and teachers and whatnot aren't part of an organization that claims to have special, magical power on loan from god. That distinction belongs to the priests. Think of it like they were a group of psychologists that claimed to have special knowledge to save marriages but many were divorced.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:45 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      I wrote more on this below. There is no 'free pass' for others. Any abuse of the defenceless is wrong.

      The wider issue is the cover up by people not committing the abuse who are also bound by the higher standard of their ordination vows.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:59 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Junior..teachers, coaches get arrested and jail time for abuses.. your organisation covered up and was more concerned about its image than the victims.. The moral high ground the church thinks it is on is actually more of a pit.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
  11. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    TOM, TOM – COME OUT TO PLAAAY!!

    You can almost hear the bottles clacking, can't you?

    July 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Fragen wir Tom Tom, wenn er eine gute Hündin genießt slapping

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNRWIh_ZWwI&w=640&h=360]

      July 9, 2012 at 6:40 pm |
  12. Sam Yaza

    looks like hes living the dream

    i want to bat up a priest

    July 9, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqVH32plwG0&w=640&h=360]

      July 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
  13. Ed

    as a Catholic I have to say the Priest deserved it, I'm glad the man was aquitted. I not pro violence just anti pedo.

    July 9, 2012 at 5:16 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I think vigilantism should never be a vindicated action. The guy may have been deserving, but that does not give leave to this kind of thing. We have laws and courts for a reason, and proper law should have prevailed, and I think that the U.S. should tell the pope and his cronies sweeping all this under the rug to fu.ck off, and tell them that if they don't want to play by reasonable rules, then they can stay out of the country.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:20 pm |
    • Ed

      They did play by the rule of law statues of limitations and the such. I'm not a fan of vigilantism either but I have a real probelm with some one in authority over children and entrusted with their well being taking advantage of that that to harm them. The priest got what he deserved. He should have been caught and punished sooner in accordance with the law. He wasnot the man had a right to justice. The victim going to jail would have been further abuse.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Once you take vengence into your own hands, you cease to be a victim. I really do sympathize with what has been happening, and the way these evil people slip through, but keeping integrity through it is better than becoming a perpetrator yourself. It's why I said that we need to kick out these asshat priests, and keep the pope out if they don't want to play by reasonable rules.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:29 pm |
    • Ed

      Many preist do a great deal of good more do good then harm. Because of priest like this one many people refuse to see the good the church does. I agree this priest should have been charged and punished by the law not by this man. But he is still a victim and his actions are justified. I agree it is better to let the law punish the guilty but think it would be unfair to punish this man while letting the pedo go

      July 9, 2012 at 5:36 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Oh I know that some priests do good, although what good they do is debatable, I think that keeping out the good and bad, since the church does operate heirarchally, would go a long way in getting some oversight in there. America is a huge source of revenue for the Vatican, and they don't want to give that up.
      As for the guy, I think he had good reason to do what he did, but I don't think he was justified in doing it. This is merely a difference in opinion, and I don't think we're going to reconcile it to eachother.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Ed

      kicking the church out denies freedom of religion a founding principle of America and protected by the consti-tution. Also that's blaming the whole for a small group of offenders. That would be liking closing Pen State because of Sandusky. Also if you kick out one religion you can kick them all out. If you kick out religion you can mandate it. I don't think any of us want to see that.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I have no problem with freedom of religion, in fact I believe in the first amendmentand am willing to defend it. However, if a heirarchal religion wants to hide crimes and not follow some reasonable guidelines that protects their congregants, and holds them responsible for their actions which are illegal, then they have no business having a free pass simply because they are a religion. It is like saying their freedom of religion trumps the safety of children that proper and reasonable oversight provides.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      I'm liking this conversation Ed. Few and far between these may be, but it's always worth it.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:48 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      God's Truth trumps any law or person. We have walked away from that and that is why our coutnry is going downhill. We have lost God's grace.

      Amen.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:54 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      And of course the stupid Atheists have no clue.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:55 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      I don't really care about any supposed "god's truth". You have no evidence, and really you as a person HeavenSent, have no intelligence.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:56 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ed you being a Catholic are going to burn for eternity. The Catholic Church's master is the Father of Lies.

      Amen.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest, do you believe it's intelligent for you to believe then argue with the phony heavensent that steals my handle? Believe me Hawaai, if I answer you (if I read your post) it won't be the nonsense that the phony writes.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ed, you posted "kicking the church out denies freedom of religion a founding principle of America and protected by the consti-tution. Also that's blaming the whole for a small group of offenders. That would be liking closing Pen State because of Sandusky. Also if you kick out one religion you can kick them all out. If you kick out religion you can mandate it. I don't think any of us want to see that."

      Answer: Atheists do. Don't you comprehend that taking Jesus out of public buildings is making us worship the atheists religion?

      July 9, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      So you admit, once again, that you don't even bother to read posts from people who disagree, and I will point out that when you do answer, it is always the same crop of random assertions and idiotic drivel. It hardly matters whether it is the fake HeavenSent or you, since it falls along the same lines of "believe what I do or burn".

      July 9, 2012 at 9:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Ed, I hope you realize the phony heavensent that steals my handle told you that you were going to burn. She needs to write under the handle "Sybil".

      July 9, 2012 at 9:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest, get this straight as I type the truth slowly for you. I quickly read some posts ... then go off to do something (anything) else. Some posts catch my eye and others don't. Some posts I'll respond to and others I don't. But, rest assure, the phony heavensent will write her babble all over this blog. That is why this site is a joke.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It tickles me that Heaven Sent believes that fake Heaven Sent's posts are easy to spot, when in fact, I can't tell for certain that it is the fake HS; as hawaii says, the angry, petulant tone and purple prose are a pretty good imitation of the real thing. Doesn't that tell you something, HS? That your posts are just as awful, ugly, and hateful as the ones that are fakes. You have a distorted image of yourself; it doesn't square with reality.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:28 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      Then why even come here? Why bother to spew your bile (for which you are quite well known on here) if you think this site is a big joke? The comments that you actually take credit for are still hateful and incredibly divisive. Even when you do answer, you still avoid direct challenges to a lot of your assertions.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS says: Answer: Atheists do. Don't you comprehend that taking Jesus out of public buildings is making us worship the atheists religion?
      -----
      What nonsense. Do you even think before you write such dreck?

      July 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest, I'm not that shallow. Actually, it's up to the person to decide if they want to be saved. No one can save another. That's Jesus' job. As for my writing Jesus truth ... that's why I'll post. I have never posted for someone to go to hell. I've posted that they send themselves there and Jesus obliges them of their wishes. Really, get a grip Hawaii and figure out the phony from the real person behind the handle. Unless Hawaii, you're just another dummy handle for Cybil who's wrath is out of sorts today.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:30 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And HS, I'm telling you right now: I don't post under your name.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Of course it's true Tommie Tom. Hence, why you posted so fast.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, there are more articles on this site today, yet, you follow me around. Why is that?

      July 9, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      There you go again with a wild assertion. You have already refused to answer whether you'd apply the same logic when it comes to posts you agree with. You obviously agree that eternal torture for not loving some all-powerful vain being is just, and that makes you just as immoral as that characteristic of your "god". You refuse to see the unjust nature of your own belief system, and tout it as the best thing ever. I am not closed to being proven wrong about whether a god exists, but I can say that if the bible is an accurate portrayal of an existent god, then that god is in no way worthy of worship.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No, it isn't true, you simpleton. I look at the "Recent Comments". When I see your name, you're darn right I look at your posts, just to see what incredible nadir you've hit this time.

      I don't post under your name. I don't care if you believe it.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:36 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, winning the lottery would be a miserable endeavor for you. You'd complain about the taxes to pay. That's the point Tommie Tom, beauty or ugliness are in the eyes of the beholder. If Jesus' truth that I post seem mean to you, guess what He's really like when you meet Him. Oh, boo hoo. I'm not stroking you with all the "God loves you ... " Like the phony preachers out in the world.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, I know how to view who's on line and what post their in. Give me a break and stop stalking me.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:39 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Go ahead Tommie correct the "they're".

      July 9, 2012 at 9:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You dim bulb, what part of this do you not grasp: Most other posters can't tell your posts from the phony Heaven Sent's EITHER. YOU are the one who blind to the ugliness in your own posts you perceive in the fakes. Others aren't. They see great similarities between the fakes and your own posts.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I'll post what I want, when I want, and where I want, HS.

      Your version of a hateful god is no more real to me than is the man in the moon. You can stop trying the boogeyman routine. It's not effective.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:47 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      God has the first and last word.

      And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all [men] have not faith.

      2 Thessalonians 3:2

      Amen.

      July 10, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS, you come here and pretend that you are just doing God's will in telling them what they'll face if they don't believe as you. You seem to think people will be receptive to your hateful venom because they'll come to see that it's far milder than what your god has in store for them. "Just wait until your father gets home!"

      You try to present your posts as a sort of public service, sort of like those "The More You Know" spots on TV.

      You're not credible. You're not here for God or anyone's benefit or to do some good. You're here for yourself and your own pleasure, just like everyone else who posts here.

      July 10, 2012 at 10:19 am |
  14. Tom, Tom, the Piper's son

    I am a troll.

    July 9, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      No...I'm sure you're just the houseplant from below stealing Tom's handle.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's son

      I am the real Tom,Tom.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      No you're not
      The real Tom does not have a hyperlink handle.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's son

      Imposter the other Tom,Tom is!

      July 9, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Yoda, get back in your hut.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the piper's son

      I am the real Tom.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's son

      No, I am the real Tom.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:13 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Guess I p!ssed off the Geranium.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:14 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      leave tom alone, you thief.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • Obviously

      The hyperlink shows it is TheCapitalist/ClownQuestion/Unknown/et al continuing his silly little teenager troll game. His words do the same.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      He's not terribly original.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:48 pm |
    • Answer

      Ohh an offended c-o-c-k sucking religious dolt.

      Nice work Tom Tom! Another one is made angry by you. XD

      July 9, 2012 at 3:53 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Answer, give it a rest. The trolls pretending to be Christians belong to your side.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS, I'm still waiting.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:01 pm |
    • Answer

      @HeavenSent

      Go s-u-c-k your religion some more.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:26 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Answer, I know who you are under the disguise of yet, another dummy handle. Still angry, I read.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, wait all you want. When you can see again ... go into the correct post to read my answer.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:40 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You loon, I READ your answer. I've been watching you make a complete ass of yourself. I know what I posted. I have no idea what point you are trying to make about it. I doubt you do, either. You're too busy acting like Norma Desmond on steroids to make any sense.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Tom, Tom – come out to playyy-ey-ayy.

      Tom, Tom – come out to plaaaay-ay.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie, Tom still practicing Matthew 26:59 I read.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:45 pm |
  15. Bill Deacon

    I find it sad that the abuse of the boy warped the man. Celebrating him for perpetuating violence only shows an ignorance of how the victim/perpetrator dynamic is recycled.

    July 9, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Religon retards human advancements

      If only all the victims of the RCC pedo monsters got a chance to beat the faces in of their evil priest perpetrators. Fvck em, they should all be castrated

      July 9, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Unknownman

      science built the first atomic bomb and dropped it behind "enemy lines" and killed innocent people.Science advanced that weapon into nuclear technology.Science not religion built these weapons and one of them now has the power to destroy the planet.

      All done in the name of progress.Atheists won't like this truth.It will be hard to accept this.But its the truth.The thing they trust and hold so closely to their hearts..has blood on its hands.All done in the name of progress.

      Humans(in this case scientists) are not special.They only hold a few answers and will find a few answers.

      Atheists won't accept that.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Thus sayeth the doofus in the paper hat.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:38 pm |
    • ME II

      @Unknownman,
      Science does not equate to Atheism, nor Atheism to science.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Science uncovered the mysteries of the atom. Power mad miltary forces usurped it for their purposes. Scientists developed the same knowledge into nuclear power plants. And if you think a single atomic weapon could destroy the entire world you're an idiot.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Scientific research has saved millions of lives with the development of vaccines and medical technology used to diagnose and treat disease, junior bird man.

      You should study some history. The atomic bomb ended the war with Ja pan. Without its use, the Ja panese would have continued to fight until an invasion was necessary and far more lives would have been lost than were lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      Science built the computer you're drooling on right now.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Unknownman
      What???
      Your line of reasoning is...well...not linear nor reasonable.
      Seems the shock therapy was not enough. I'll have a chat with the doctors and see if we can't get your meds a little early today.
      If you do want to try to respond,please put some thought into it, so that someone who is in touch with reality could follow it.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Never said the atomic bomb.I said on of those(meaning nuclear bombs) have the power to destroy the entire planet.With many nations today that have this technology it has become a reality..a single push can.Science built it but you atheists will believe that "religion was the pusher" ignoring everything else.In your mind religion is the source of all kinds of evil but than again..science makes it easier.

      Good intentions can be used for bad as well.Science built these weapons..you accuse religion of "stopping science" yet science is being used in military to fuel the war? To make the kills easier?

      Stop living in a fantasy world and face what science has done.No is "silencing" science.

      You are delusional.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Unknownman,

      the atomic bomb was used by one of the most religious countries in the world. Its use was authorized by a Southern Baptist.

      How exactly does this reflect on atheism again?

      July 9, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Unknownman
      wow...just wow.
      You seem to be forgetting all of the great contributions science has made. In areas of medicine, nutrition, engineering, electroincs, etc,etc, etc.
      science developed many non-lethal weapons as well i.e. the taser, capable of incapacitating a man, withoout permanent injury (remember when they tased you and brought you to the "home" (ahh,memories)
      science has made it possible for us to cure diseases, fix medical problems,and drive the life expectancy higher than it ever has. we have split second communiication around the world, and you are trying to downplay it showing that occasionally the knowledge we gain, can sometimes be used in ways not intended.

      I think I hear the orderlies coming....You aren't going to resist again today are you?

      July 9, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      A nuclear weapon, be it fission or fusion IS an atom bomb. And you said one (1) could destroy the planet....we have all been aware since the cold war that the stockpile of nuclear weapons could destroy the world(well life on it's surface anyway). Your fearmongering is sorely out of date.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Not on atheism on science because science to you as basically a god..

      July 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Unknownman
      "Not on atheism on science because science to you as basically a god"
      Fisrt. Lets try a little punctuation.
      second. WHAT????

      Please try and expand on that statement. What you have so far, makes no sense at all.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Colin

      Unknown man.

      Very easy to see whether the benefits of science outweigh the burdens. Would you prefer to be alive now or in 1400?

      Very easy to see if the benefits of religion outweigh its burdens. Would you prefer to live in the USA or Iran?

      Very easy to see if the benefits of science outweisgh the benefits of religion. Next time you are sick, will you go to a hospital or a church?

      July 9, 2012 at 2:04 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      It's like talking to a houseplant. Science isn't God to us...it's the method used by educated people to discover new things. Knowledge is power. How that power is used is what determines whether or not it's been applied to useful or destructive purposes.
      Oh and nuclear means (nucleus) as it refers to the nucleus of the atom. (facepalm)

      July 9, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Let me ask you a question:Can doctors even scientists be wrong? You put all your faith into people know their job very well yet they don't know everything?

      Science is just a word but the real faith that you have is in humans..? Yet even doctors have made wrong choices that killed people.

      I have nothing against science at all but to be honest..I think many atheists live in a fearful delusional world.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "Not on atheism on science because science to you as basically a god."

      What an idiotic statement! Science provides answers that we accept due to the fact that they are based on peer reviewed evidence. It gives a far greater understanding of the world than your belief in the buybull does. Science, which encompasses a great many area's, does not equate to an imaginary friend. Don't claim to know what Atheists believe or don't believe when you have not done your research and only know what the preacher spewed at you from the pulpit yesterday.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      the science of medicine has saved more lives than any force on earth. life expectancy has never been higher - all due to science.

      try looking at the whole picture instead of cherry picking.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:09 pm |
    • Unknownman

      A follower of Jesus studied medicine.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "Can doctors even scientists be wrong? You put all your faith into people know their job very well yet they don't know everything? "

      Really??? Now you just sound completely one-brain-celled!! Of course they can be wrong. I wouldn't call it putting faith in them. Most of what scientists and Doctor's do is based off of research and sometimes research is not perfect and when they realize this, they make the corrections. In the case of most Doctor's, they have to super careful, they have too much at risk not to be.
      Please tell us why you're not in summer school or at buybull camp...you sound too young and uneducated to be using a computer!

      July 9, 2012 at 2:15 pm |
    • Peace2All

      @Unknownman

      You Said: "I think many atheists live in a fearful delusional world. "

      That may or may not be true for 'many' atheists. Depends on what you are referencing as a "fearful delusional world."

      The same could be said of Christians/Muslims, etc... that *many* live in "fearful and 'delusional' worlds."

      Peace...

      July 9, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Atheists claim religion kills.
      Science kills also.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "Let me ask you a question:Can doctors even scientists be wrong?"

      Absolutely..and it would be science that would show exactly HOW they were wrong. That's the beauty of science...it's self-correcting. We discard old useless knowledge for new updated information.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Unknownman
      I think I finally see what point you are trying to make, and it is baseless and presumptuous.

      You seem to think that atheist believe in science as truth the way you think your bible is truth?

      Science is the search for truth,but I have never seen any atheist say everything we have discovered scientifically is believable. Some is theory, (which is the starting point of scientific discovery.), some is flawed so that possitive results are later refuted once the flaw in theory or discovery is found), etc.
      Not one atheist is saying to believe all of it.
      You are jumping to an outrageous and unjustified conlusion

      And you think that atheists are delusional. You cannot back anything you say, make prejudicial conclusions, and seem to have the reasoning ability of a young child.(no offence to the children out there)

      And for the record...I BELIEVE there are no gods, I do not know. I make no claim to know all science is truth, in fact I know it isn't, but at least at its essence,science is far nobler than religion, because it is looking for the answers.
      Religion claims to have the answers, but has nothing to back it up with

      July 9, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      "Science kills also"

      Wow!! So are you going to pray over a dying child or are you going to take them to a Doctor? No-one is claiming that science is perfect but it's the best chance we have to save lives. At least science doesn't kill in the name of that imaginary friend of yours. Basic comprehension does not appear to be on your side.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "Science kills also."

      Nope...wrong...science isn't a thing with intent. Science is the pursuit of knowledge..using very specific methodology...in many different disciplines. How people use scienctific discovery is where the things you fear crop up. Used for good or bad science itself is not to blame.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Man claims to have all the answers.One's religion never states they as a believer know it all.I seriously have no clue why atheists hate it when a person says "God did it" but it has NOTHING to do with you?

      How did God do it? These types of questions no human knows.And they never will while on earth.Saying "God exists" does not mean you are saying "I gave it"..

      Why do you even believe that lie when most atheists claim evolution and the big bang prove what life is all about? that those theories unlock it at all?

      Care to explain how even atheists claim those types of claims as well?

      July 9, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      unknownman
      "Care to explain how even atheists claim those types of claims as well?"

      Thats easy. They don't

      And the scientific theories that you mention that are getting more and more evidence every day are far better than the Theory of God.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Answer

      As per usual the stupid religious tool is at a loss for what science is..

      July 9, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
    • Unknownman

      I have seen many make that claim.

      You try to cover it up?

      July 9, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      Get back on your meds. No one anywhere claims that we know all the answers. We know what we know....nothing more. Claiming to know what cannot be known is YOUR big erroneous stance. Evolution and the Big Bang explain a lot about how the universe and life likely emerged...not everything about it. If that were true we wouldn't need to continue doing science.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Now you're just being stupid and making yourself look like a bigger idiot!!

      How did God do it? These types of questions no human knows.And they never will while on earth.Saying "God exists" does not mean you are saying "I gave it"..

      >>>Could you re-read that??? You just admitted that no human can know...so what makes you think you can plug the god factor in there??? You don't know either!!

      Why do you even believe that lie when most atheists claim evolution and the big bang prove what life is all about? that those theories unlock it at all?
      Care to explain how even atheists claim those types of claims as well?

      >>>We believe in evolution and the big bang due to the fact that there is peer reviewed evidence and facts to back these theories. No-one says those theories unlock it all...we certainly do not know what caused the big bang but it does not give you the right to plug a god factor in. We are at least honest when we say we do not know. We don't need all the answers, we are happy to accept the ones we have as long as they are based on evidence and facts. We are willing to change our opinions as the evidence and facts are presented to us-can you say the same?

      BTW: You failed to answer one important question...if your child was dying would you pray for the child or get the child medical attention?

      July 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't know which of you said it, but it was spot on: "It's like arguing with a houseplant."

      July 9, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Unknownman.
      Who has made that claim...show me examples. I see you putting incorrect words in peoples mouths. I see you not understandiing what people say and jumping to an illogical conlusion.
      And now you think I am trying to cover something up....on a public forum...
      I'll mention to youir doctors that your paranoia is more pronounced than usual today....

      July 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Unknownman brays: I have seen many make that claim.
      -------

      List them.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:39 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Hence faith is faith.

      Even you have it and relay on it everyday.

      Welcome to what the rest of humanity faces.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Unknownman

      Evolution and the Big Bang prove what life is all about? Wow I must have missed the super secret atheist memo!

      No one with half a brain would claim that, since it is just way beyond the scope of what either of those theories go in to.
      You did a fairly crappy job of building up a straw man.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Unknownman: Does your Mommy know you're using her computer? Back to school now before she wakes up from her drunken stupor!

      July 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I don't "relay" on anything, you dope.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Unknownman

      During ww2 scientists conducted human experiments on the Jews.Many were killed.

      So yes science does kill in the name of progress and you atheists here gadly ignore that.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You really are 12.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Judaism comes from the Sumerian Religion

      My god Unknown you have to be the dumbest on here. I encourage you to reread what you post and think about it.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • AtheistSteve

      "Hence faith is faith."

      Faith is the excuse given when you don't have any evidence to back up your claim. Non-believers don't have faith. Please give one example of an atheist using faith to back up their claims.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:45 pm |
    • Judaism comes from the Sumerian Religion

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      You really are 12.

      >
      Or just really ignorant or warped logic.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      unknownman
      Now you bring up a well known fact, and claim that people are denying it.
      Wrong again.
      No one here is denying that happened. You can't bring up a little bit of history and then claim people are denying it, without some basis for it.
      You know who is denying that...try the other religious zealots like those in Iran, who claim the holocaust never happened.
      It is their religious nuttery that compels them to obscure facts, not their quest for scientific knowledge you can be sure.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • Unknownman

      "No God" claim is based on faith not evidence.

      Those who make that claim,I never see them back it up.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Amazing. An entire page of attacks on Unkown's "Gospel according to Houseplants" that have nothing whatsoever to do with the article or my original post. As ignorant as he is, the guy who advocated bashing in all priests heads is actually more in tune with the discussion.

      I've noticed that the trend in many non believer's response is to focus on the threads that seem the most preposterous. Why can't you guys just let it alone and deal with,shall we say, the more rational crowd? It doesn't advance your arguments in my mind when you single out the weakest post you can find and spend so much energy attacking them.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:03 pm |
    • Unknownman

      Lol that's funny 🙂

      July 9, 2012 at 3:10 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Bill: Maybe if Unknownman didn't come across as having the intellectual abilities of a houseplant (which quite possibly is an insult to houseplants), he/she would not have been attacked.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you posted "Scientific research has saved millions of lives with the development of vaccines and medical technology used to diagnose and treat disease, junior bird man. You should study some history. The atomic bomb ended the war with Ja pan. Without its use, the Ja panese would have continued to fight until an invasion was necessary and far more lives would have been lost than were lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Science built the computer you're drooling on right now."

      POINT BEING MADE: Remember what you posted when RealityNot posts that it was the Christians fault for the bomb being used during WWII.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      No. What did I post? If you can cite it, post the link.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Come on, HS, I'm waiting.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bill Deacon,

      you've posted here enough to know that very few people want to say anything meaningful here. When a reasoned post is made, there is inevitably little dialog unless someone posts something preposterous in a reply, and "Unknownman" started that.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Answer

      Too bad we can't bomb the religious out of existence.

      July 9, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Unknownman,

      you seem to have heard the same sermon as 'Unknown' of this parish and struggle to understand the distinction between belief and disbelief.

      Theists believe in God.
      Atheists don't believe in God.

      Look it up in a dictionary if that helps.

      It's not about transferrence of belief from one thing into something else. It's not about a belief in the non-existence of God. I know the concept is terrifying and incomprehensible to your world-view, but simply put, atheists don't believe in God.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Johnny Blammo

      Okay, since this thread is really long, let's make it really wide too!

      Christians are idiotssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

      July 9, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you should ride your bike over to your nearest eye doctor to get those peeps checked. You're so focused on anger, that sin of anger (wrath) is blinding you.

      Here's the post again, as what was in the post that I wrote you.

      "Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Scientific research has saved millions of lives with the development of vaccines and medical technology used to diagnose and treat disease, junior bird man.

      You should study some history. The atomic bomb ended the war with Ja pan. Without its use, the Ja panese would have continued to fight until an invasion was necessary and far more lives would have been lost than were lost at Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

      Science built the computer you're drooling on right now."

      July 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • wow

      Science flies planes.

      Religion flies planes into buildings.

      And of course scientists can be wrong – the process essentially requires it. Someone failed 6th grade science class, didn't they?

      Is anyone else thinking that @Unknown is a fairly decent Poe?

      July 9, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Religon retards human advancements, Jesus told us how to deal with those that trespass against us (read the Lord's prayer) and remember ...

      Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

      Romans 12:19

      Amen.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And? I see you've mastered the art of cutting and pasting a post I just wrote. Is there a point?

      July 9, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HS must be high on her pain meds today. Her family really should do something about her.....

      July 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom, you're obsessed with meds. Do you take them often? No wonder you accuse others of needing to take them.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:45 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son, you posted "And? I see you've mastered the art of cutting and pasting a post I just wrote. Is there a point?"

      Answer: You'll just have to wait and see what they point is.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      So you have none.

      HS, did somebody cancel a lunch date with you or something? You seem especially unstable today.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:49 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      So then by your logic, you must be gay, have many handles and steal handles all the time, because you seem to be very obsessed with that.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      HG, I was just about to come here and post much the same thing. HS spends so much time worrying about people stealing handles and impersonating Christians, it's a wonder she has time to pray for all us lost souls!

      Betcha she's at the front door now, yelling "You kids get off my lawn!" at the girls from next door.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:57 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Dearly beloved, touch not yourselves, but [rather] give your body to another: for it is written, oragasim is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

      Romans 12:19

      July 9, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      LOL Oh yes please ignore the obvious logic fail of yours, you do that all the time anyway LOL. You walk yourself into an obvious thing like that, then completely ignore, as is your trademark. Poor little HeavenSent's little bubble world within her own brain. It must not be popped and the delusions must be maintained.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:05 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      BTW that was not in response to the fake HeavenSent.
      I'm merely jumping ahead to HeavenSent's next response.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Anyone with an ounce of gray matter knows the same person writes under multiple handles? How, you ask do I come to this factual conclusion. Because, what are the odds that atheists are all on line at the same time to back up the post of another atheist?

      Liar, liars, you are all liars and your lies trip you up all the time.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:25 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Silly twit.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Still practicing Matthew 26:59 ... false witnesses = false handles. 

      July 9, 2012 at 6:50 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      And are you willing to use that logic when it would apply to the religious people that agree with you?

      July 9, 2012 at 6:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HeavenSent

      You say: "Because, what are the odds that atheists are all on line at the same time to back up the post of another atheist?"

      I'd say it's about a 100% probability that *some* atheists are online in an *active* topic most of the waking hours and will happily back up the post of another atheist.

      I'd say there's a 0% probabliliy that *all* atheists (or even all atheists who have ever posted here) are online at any time.

      July 9, 2012 at 7:08 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest, if you notice, once in a blue moon Christians will be on at the same time, same post. Not every single time, like you phonies that back each other up and gang up on folks. The lies of the atheists are never ending.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:07 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      In other words, no you're not willing to use the same logic when it's something that you agree with. Congrats, your idiocy is intact.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV, good try. No cigar. You're just another dummy handle.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:09 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest, you're just a typical lying atheist twisting what I said. I said, what are the odds?

      July 9, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      The odds don't matter as to whether you would apply the same logic. That you were unwilling to answer such a simple question either says you are unable to grasp that the odds don't matter, or that you wouldn't use the same logic. Which is it?

      July 9, 2012 at 8:14 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest

      BTW that was not in response to the fake HeavenSent.
      I'm merely jumping ahead to HeavenSent's next response.

      Well I am insulted

      July 9, 2012 at 8:17 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      You're predictable, that's not my fault. I guessed what you would do next, and I was completely right.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      You're predictable, that's not my fault. I guessed what you would do next, and I was completely right.

      No the fake one is insulted. Atheists....so dense.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      It's usually a good fake. He/she gets your intolerant, hateful, sadistic tone quite well most of the time, and gets your responses to things down fairly consistently. In practical terms, there's no difference in who I respond to.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:27 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not hard to copy a person that is insane and rambles LOL There are about 3 others posting as her from what I can tell.

      July 9, 2012 at 8:33 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @HeavenSent,

      abuse is the refuge of the inarticulate.

      July 9, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
  16. junior

    Anti-Catholicism is indeed the last acceptable prejudice. Nobody bashes Islam but Catholicism is always being persecuted.

    The Church is holy because of her purposes, not because of her people – St Augustine

    July 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • End The Freak Show!

      Nobody bashes Islam? You are a liar.

      Disliking perv priests is anti-Catholicism? You are a liar.

      "The Church is holy because of her purposes, not because of her people" – You and Augustine ar liars. The church IS its people, and a lot of rooms full of loot.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      It is not prejudice when it is not pre-.
      I am not looking at a group and jumping to an unjustified conclusion. Catholic "bashing" is based on a long history of wrong-doing and corruption. There is nothing pre- about it.
      They are being judged on PAST actions, history, and current actions.
      The fact that I hate the catholic church is based in historical fact.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • ME II

      "Anti-Catholicism is indeed the last acceptable prejudice."

      Seriously? Try advocating Atheism, see what happens.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • What IF

      junior,

      "Nobody bashes Islam but Catholicism is always being persecuted."
      - What? I think you'd better think that out again.

      "The Church is holy because of her purposes, not because of her people"
      - The Church is not a "her"... it's an "it", consisting of people (past and present) and their ideas of the supernatural.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      junior,

      does anti-Catholic sentiment exist? Why yes, there is a long history in the US of anti-Catholic sentiment dating back to the virulently anti-Catholic sentiments off the colonists in the 17th century.

      You are not alone. There is plenty of unreasoning bigotry to go around, directed against all demominations including Muslims and yes, (like What If says) atheists too.

      July 9, 2012 at 1:59 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      @What if – The Catholic Church has historically been identified in the feminine since Christ is the bridegroom and the Church is the bride. This is scriptural and though you and others may deny scripture, it is in fact how the Church identifies itself.

      July 9, 2012 at 2:57 pm |
    • wow

      Protecting pedophiles and systemically and globally covering up abuses is holy? Maybe Augustine would be singing a different tune if he were alive today.

      Would you rather everyone just act like many of your leaders and look the other way? Would that make you feel better and lessen your persecution complex? Maybe we shouldn't talk about religious terrorism either so that we don't offend any muslims. Perhaps we should just turn a blind eye to 9-11 so that no one's feelings get hurt.

      Or you could just get over yourself

      July 9, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Junior, they bash Christianity first, knowing Jesus is truth. They will bash the other religions later so they can bring in their Talmud beliefs. Notice how they've rearranged the legal system on this post. The guy is acquitted instead of serving time?
      Same for what the law should do with murderers. Now, a murderer serves time or life in prison. If just doing time, they get released ... back into society to kill some more. Jesus was crucified as they set the murderer Barabbas free.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • junior

      How many priests have been found guilty of abuse in the last 5 yrs? Go ahead, name some names of crimes that have been committed in the last 5 yrs. Most of the cases you are foaming at the mouth happened in the 60s, 70s and part of the 80s. So go ahead. There are hundreds of thousands of priests, give me a figure.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:34 pm |
    • junior

      HeavenScent. It is good to see we both serve Jesus, are in the faith, and we get mocked tremendously on a site that is meant for believers. Were it not for Christianity there would not be hospitals or education. Religion is man's search for God but in Christianity we see something very beautiful; Christianity is God's search for man.

      Vivat Jesus!

      July 9, 2012 at 4:50 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @junior,

      the issue isn't so much that a handful of priests committed vile crimes that they of all people (being held to a higher standard) should have not have committed.

      The issue is that the church systematically suppressed knowledge of what they had done to protect itself. This includes people who 20 and 30 years later, have risen to important people in the church. This is much more than bad PR. It is evidence of a culture that is obsessed with secrecy and maintainance of power in its superstructure. No different to a corporation caught cooking the books, but there's that 'higher' standtard again. It is inescapable.

      July 9, 2012 at 4:54 pm |
    • Know What

      junior
      "How many priests have been found guilty of abuse in the last 5 yrs?"

      The decrease is due to the Church's crimes finally being published and made subject to secular law.

      Why has it taken the Church until the 21st century to do something drastic and effective about this problem?

      You have been betrayed, not only by the offending priests, but by *any* and *all* of their compatriots who knew and said/did nothing... and by the hierarchy (right up to the top) who covered up the crimes. You trust these guys?

      July 9, 2012 at 4:56 pm |
    • Who invited me?

      Junior
      Isn't it just like a christian to proclaim something is theirs when it is not. The blog is a belief blog, not religion blog. I can express my belief the same as you can. Just that my belief isn't from years of brainwashing.,,,,

      July 9, 2012 at 4:58 pm |
    • junior

      @Know What. These issues were covered up at the diocese level, don't blame the Vatican. But the double standard is that from 1991-2000 the school district of NY had 2500 cases of abuse and the authorities were never called, teachers were given awesome referrals and transferred to other schools, some got a substantial pension or were allowed to retire with full benefits. I don't see any American sentiment toward this. Also look at Penn State, the coach is held in high regard because he won games, at the expense of victims. Nobody calls Penn State a haven for p-e-d-s.

      @Who invited me. I did not say that this blog was exclusive to Christians, but there should be some decor here. I do not troll the Atheist blogs (I am sure there are a plethora) and rant about their fate. Yet this is the epicenter of mudslinging. Perhaps we are CNN pawns, and they must benefit from this. I also don't think they created this blog out of the goodness of their heart. The Prothero op-eds pretty much paint the picture of what they are willing to endorse.

      July 9, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Decor"? Now you want 'decor'? What sort of budget do we have for that? I'm sure there are decorators available but you'll pay through the nose for them!

      July 9, 2012 at 5:46 pm |
    • junior

      My apologies for riling you Tom Tom, the Piper's Son. I meant to write decorum.
      Forgive me I am a Catholic, not perfect, even though we are held to some unreasonably high standards. A thousand pardons my friend.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:02 pm |
    • Ed

      gotta say junior asking our priests not to be pedos doesn't seem like too high of a standard to me

      July 9, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • junior

      I expect priests to be held in a high standard. But you don't belong to a parish, your children don't spend time with clerics, in fact they spend more time with teachers and coaches. Do you also hold them up these standards you are prescribing priests? That would be a double standard if you didn't. In fact most cases involving pdphlia are incs-t related. I would venture to say at least one blogger here on this site has been mlstd by a parent or reltv.
      Why is it you fear priests if you don't so much as step foot inside a church? The media sure has a way of turning brother against brother.
      When I see a priest wearing a Roman collar, he gets my finest salute, because he does it out of courage. He is not afraid of you.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:47 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      Reposted from above

      You imply with some sarcasm that Catholic clergy should not be held to a high standard? That covering up knowledge of criminal acts with the most innocent and defenceless is reasonable behavior?

      It is wholly inconsistent not only with morality but with church doctrine. What greater hypocrisy and indeed heresy is possible?

      July 9, 2012 at 6:52 pm |
    • Ed

      I hold pedos anywhere to the same standard. Priests are our guide to a moral life. Its hard to be a guide if you don't follow the path yourself. I agree many priest do great things and I have great respect for them, but the one mentioned in this story is a pedo and got frankliy less then he deserved the fact that he is a priest is not relevant the fact he molested this man is when the man was a child entrusted to him is.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:58 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Junior,

      it is in no way a "double-standard" to expect an ordained minister to act in a more moral way than the laity of any religion.

      I am not talking about the criminal acts of abuse. These are the same amount of "wrong" for anyone in a position of trust, nevertheless, we still expect more consistent moral behavior from an ordained minister. After all they have vowed their whole life to this purpose.

      There is clearly a moral imperative for Catholic clergy who preach to the laity every week on how the laity should behave, to also behave according to the tenets of the faith they preach. The evident facts that they didn't only serves to increase the mistrust many Americans have of the secretive and closeted diocesan apparatus.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm |
  17. Badda Bing

    A guy named Lynch lynched a perv priest?

    You go, buddy! Pop the Pope, too!

    July 9, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Yes, twist and contort laws via the courts ... so that chaos rules supreme.

      July 9, 2012 at 6:28 pm |
  18. Judaism comes from the Sumerian Religion

    Congrats and Amen!

    July 9, 2012 at 11:58 am |
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