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My Take: CNN readers' 7 answers to 'Where was God in Aurora?'
A man pauses at a memorial of crosses near the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, the scene of last week's mass shooting.
July 26th, 2012
02:49 PM ET

My Take: CNN readers' 7 answers to 'Where was God in Aurora?'

Editor's Note: Stephen Prothero, a Boston University religion scholar and author of "The American Bible: How Our Words Unite, Divide, and Define a Nation," is a regular CNN Belief Blog contributor.

By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN

Over the last few days, CNN’s Belief Blog has received more than 10,000 responses to its question, “Where was God in Aurora?”

The underlying concern here has vexed theologians for centuries: How can evil happen in a world that is lorded over by a good and all-powerful God? As CNN's readers struggled to make sense of God's presence (or absence) in the Aurora, Colorado, massacre, I counted seven different answers to this question:

1. There is no God.

Self-professed atheists may make up only 2% of the U.S. population, but they are extraordinarily active online, and on CNN's Belief Blog. A commenter who identified as Jason spoke for them when he wrote, “Where was God? He was where he has always been. Nowhere because God does not exist.” Bob Dobbs agreed: “God is imaginary. The question is moot.”

Many in this camp also quoted the ancient Greek philosopher (and skeptic) Epicurus:

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

2. Don’t blame God, blame Satan.

Many theists on the site described the world as a battleground between God, who is working for good, and Satan, who is working for evil. “As long as Satan is loose to promote evil, bad things will happen to good people,” wrote kat.

3. Don’t blame God, blame us.

Probably the most common response from Christian commenters was that evil is a result of free will. Do we really want to be “puppets” or “robots"? Of course not. So God has given us the will to choose either evil or good.

Watch: Survivor of massacre says he forgives gunman

Believer summed up this position well:

"It's been said that the only thing we can truly give God is our will because its the only thing we possess that is uniquely ours. Everything else was given to us by him, and is, in effect, not ours to give in the first place. As such, and despite his omnipotence, he cannot intervene. . . .  He only possesses power where power can be possessed - and controlling our actions is not within that realm."

Here Deborah also chimed in: “This act of violence was not God's will. I get so tried of people blaming God for evil acts. Humans of their own free will do evil things.”

4. God was behind the massacre, and it was just.

Some believers saw God’s righteous hand in the Aurora massacre, inflicting a just punishment on a wayward nation now run by secular liberals rather than conservative Christians.

Lenny wrote:

"We as a country have been telling God to go away. We told him to get off our currency, get out of our schools, get out of our Pledge of Allegiance, take your Ten Commandments out of our courthouses, get those Bibles out of hotels and no graduation ceremonies in our churches. How can we expect God to give us his blessing and his protection if we demand that he leave us alone?"

Read: The man who made Aurora’s iconic crosses

Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas, took a similar tack in an appearance on the Heritage Foundation's "Istook Live" radio show, laying the blame at the feet of a nation that has turned away from its God:

"You know, when people say, where was God in all of this? Well, you know, . . . we’ve threatened high school graduation participants that if they use God’s name that they’re going to be jailed, we had a principal of a school, and a superintendent or a coach down in Florida that were threatened with jail because they said the blessing at a voluntary off campus dinner. I mean, that kind of stuff… where is God? Where, where? What have we done with God? We told him that we don’t want him around. I kind of like his protective hand being present."

5. God was present at the massacre but with the victims, not the perpetrator

One classic claim in the Abrahamic tradition of Jews, Christians and Muslims is that God is with those who suffer - the poor and the oppressed. Some commenters saw God’s miraculous hand in the midst of this suffering, not causing it to happen but bringing it to an end.  “This may sound crazy,” wrote Diana, “but I believe God had a hand in that the gun jammed so that more people weren’t killed.”

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The most common claim in this category came from peacemaker, who wrote, “God is and was with the victims and s/he is weeping.” In a more explicitly Christian vein, Lauren wrote: “He was there in the theater, pierced by bullets with the victims. He was scarred by the shrapnel. His eyes were scorched with gas and then burned with tears as He mourned alongside the broken.”

6. Which God?

Some commenters interrogated the question itself, arguing that the knots it twists us into are rooted in what commenter Ego_Death called “a false idea of what God is.” After all, the problem of evil in a world ruled by a sovereign and good God only presents itself if you posit one personal God who is both good and all-powerful.

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Referring to "our idea of a human-like personal God" as "an ancient myth," Northstar56 wrote:

"But just because this kind of God does not appear to exist, does not mean that God, in fact, does not exist. I think many have developed a more mature and realistic perspective . . . in which God exists as a pure fundamental consciousness or state from which all of existence arises. This God does not control anything, but rather continues to perpetually emanate as reality . . . God was present in all of the victims, and everyone else. God was present in the killer as well. The tragedy is that the killer's awareness was so distorted and twisted that he could not see or be aware of the intrinsic priceless value of every person he gunned down."

Evoking something more akin to the “watchmaker” God of the deists, who makes the world and its laws and then refuses to intervene in its operation, Norm wrote: “God is not involved in our everyday mundane activities. How arrogant of man to think he’s the center of the universe and has God’s constant attention and every action is ‘God’s will.’”

Taking a different tack, "varun" invoked the teachings of the beloved Hindu scripture the Bhagavad Gita:

"Only the followers of Semitic religions have problem with understanding this - because they do not believe in rebirth and karma. As soon as you introduce these two concepts into (the) picture along with the eternal indestructible soul (something Semitic religions do believe in), everything makes sense. Read Bhagavad-Gita and everything would be as clear as daylight."

7. Who knows? It’s a mystery

Agnosticism is a rare virtue in the United States nowadays, but there were a few commenters who admitted to something less than the absolute certainty exhibited by atheists and evangelicals alike. "The answer," wrote Terry, "is we don't know where he was." Fluffy the Gerbil of Doom saw this "God works in mysterious ways" move as “ultimate cop-out/rationalization,” but I am not so sure.

In September 1862, in the midst of a much greater American tragedy, Abraham Lincoln wrote a private “Meditation on the Divine Will” in which he struggled to make sense of what God was doing in the Civil War. He later reworked those reflections into his second inaugural address, one of the greatest speeches in American history.

Surveying the corpse-ridden landscape of North and South, Lincoln observed, “Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other.” Clearly there was little good in slavery, he reasoned, yet equally clearly God was not giving a swift and sure victory to the Union. So what was God up to? In the end, Lincoln had to admit he did not know. Or, as he put it, “The Almighty has His own purposes.”

I suppose this is in a sense a “cop-out,” but it is a humble one, uninfected by the absolute certainties (either pro- or anti-God) that have shed more blood on earth than agnosticism ever will. It is also a classic example of answering a question with a question: What is God doing with this war? Who knows?

“Josephpusateri” also answered our question with a question. His comment was in my view the best of the hundreds I read, so I will end with it here:

"Oh, the blindness of such a question... as if only theodicy was a relevant question in white, American suburbs. Where is God in Afghanistan? Where is God in Gaza? Where is God in Syria? . . . Where is God, indeed."

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Stephen Prothero.

- CNN Belief Blog contributor

Filed under: Atheism • Belief • Christianity • Culture wars • Devil • Ethics • God • Violence

soundoff (4,074 Responses)
  1. Gerson

    The gunman is deranged, a sort of excuse...... But what about the store guy who sold thousands of rounds to an individual and didn't think of warning the police or someone....? What did he think the guy was going to do with all those bullets, shoot cans or bottles in his backyard???

    July 30, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
  2. Captain Moroni

    We came to this world with our own agency. Unfortunately, innocent lives will be taken due to the decisions and actions of others. Losing a loved one in this life is very painful. Heavenly Father has a plan for all of his children here on earth during our time of mortality. His plan is centered around families where we can live again in His presence. We are told that we can obtain this through sacrifice and obedience to God's commandments. Those that die and pass on will go the Spirit world as they await for resurrection. Resurrection is the reuniting of both body and spirit in perfect form. Jesus Christ was the first to be resurrected. It is through Him that this gift is given to all of us no matter what we do in this life. If a loved one dies in this life before they hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, they will have the opportunity to accept it in the Spirit World. Some might say..."Well, I will just accept it in the Spirit World and do what I want in this life". There are conditions to this. Eternal Life is the ability to live in the presence of Heavenly Father. We will all be judged accordingly to our "works" and obedience here on earth. Remember..."no unclean thing can enter in to the Kingdom of Heaven" and therefore, we will spend the eternities according to the three degrees of glory in heaven (Stars, Moon, and the Sun). The "Sun" being the Celestial glory and where God dwells. As children of God, it is our goal to live with God. This requires faith, love, charity, sacrifice, and obedience. When we do this, our reward is "all that the Father has". The Bible and the Book and Mormon explain this in more detail – seek them out.

    July 30, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
  3. heavenSnot

    Prayer changes things. If you do it a really long time, you'll probably miss the bus.

    July 30, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  4. Meeks

    We cannot blame God for this when we only have ourselves to blame. Where was God in all of this? Well, we have kicked him out of our country at every possible chance by government and our personal actions. We train our kids not to believe in schools and our leaders openly oppose and mock him at every chance. Luckily for us God is merciful return to him and He will return to you & your nation. If not expect evil incidents like this to continue and to become more common place.

    July 30, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • DanW

      Save yourself some typing and just post "3".

      July 30, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • sam stone

      wow, meeks, your god sure is a petty vindictive punk

      July 30, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
  5. CARLOS

    Being an Agnostic I would guess if there is a God He/She was looking on in horror, however, when we chose to eat of the tree of knowledge we accepted God's gift of free will. Our eyes were opened and we became co-creators, so many of us would like to welch on that deal and put the fruit back on the tree. A deals a deals.

    July 30, 2012 at 11:50 am |
  6. DanW

    CNN, how about a poll with these seven answers!

    July 30, 2012 at 11:46 am |
  7. Joel Lunsford

    It's as simple as ABC. Adam sold us out and as a result the earth came under a curse. Mankind is perverted and there is no end to his evil imagination. Adam cursed us, Jesus Christ cures us with his sacrifice on a cruel cross and the fact that God raised him from the dead. Curse or cure you choose.

    July 30, 2012 at 11:34 am |
    • FreThinker

      Yeah, right. God creates man and since he is all knowing, knows what he will do. So after a few thousand years, he magically impregnates a woman with himself to be himself so that he can participate in an ancient blood sacrifice to remove a stain on the humanity he created all because a dirt man and rib woman took dietary advice from a talking snake.

      How anyone could participate in believing in such nonsense is beyond the ability to comprehend.

      July 30, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Monika S

      responding to Frethinker,
      yes, it is beyond the ability to comprehend - you won't think you're way to faith - its a gift - a gift that is offered to everyone–stop letting your thinking get in the way and expose yourself to prayer, fellowship with believers, reading God's word, learning @ the lives of the saints and see if the grace of god comes to you, affects you, changes you and makes you see it all differently.. many very intellectually gifted people aren't interested in opening up to the grace of God – they believe their intellect is the only way to make sense of this existence

      July 30, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  8. God

    Don't blame me! I was at another theater.

    July 30, 2012 at 11:00 am |
  9. LordEarlGray

    THe religious nut jobs always have some kind of idiotic message-God is punishing us because we don't want religion to insert itself into government. When that happens you get people like the Taliban and Al-Qaeda and we've had enough of that. You are free to practice your religion just don't push it onto the rest of us who have our own beliefs. The tragedy at Aurora has nothing to do with God not watching but it does have to do with a nutty whacko who wasn't caught before he did such damage because his relatives and anyone else who knew he was heading for trouble did nothing to warn the rest of us in time.

    July 30, 2012 at 10:17 am |
  10. andrew hoolan

    God probably got distracted by a few bigger disasters that were happening in the forgotten countries of Mother Earth during the same horrific minutes of Aurora............

    July 30, 2012 at 9:23 am |
  11. WASP

    whether there is or isn't a god; truly doesn't matter in this case. it was a horrid act of a sick person, that will have lawyers trying to get him either less time in prison or a nice stay for the rest of his life in a mental ward somewhere. save tax-payer money, put him down like the wild animal he is.

    July 30, 2012 at 8:09 am |
  12. georgex

    I think it is wonderful that the Internet allows many doubters to express their views here as we become a more open society. In the past they didn't have the chance to meet or discuss their views and felt a bit isolated. Today there are organizations for non-believers such as http://www.secular.org that have meetings and interesting projects and just good conversation..
    Personally, I don't think we can blame God for these killings anymore than we should give him credit for the survivors. He seems to stay out of almost every human event. He doesn't do much that I am aware of.

    July 30, 2012 at 8:01 am |
  13. tazanastazio

    THE INFINITE IS PROVEN MATHEMATICALY AND MATHEMATICS DESCRIBE PATTERNS. NOW AS NUMBERS SIMPLY DESCRIBE STAGES WITHIN UNITS, WHICH UNITS IN TURN ARE BY THEMSELVES INFINITIES (1 1ND 1.99999999....) SO IN THE UNIVERSE EXIST STAGES SUCH AS SHAPES AND OBJECTS WHICH BY THEMSELVES ARE INFINITIES AND EXTEND ALL TOGETHER INFINITELY.

    NOW, AND THIS IS THE FUNDAMENTAL CONCEPT, PAY ATTENTION. SINCE YOU CANNOT HAVE A NUMBER OR ANYTHING FOR THAT MATER WITHOUT ANOTHER NUMBER, OR SOMETHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER, YOU CANNOT HAVE EXISTENCE WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT HAVE A BEGINNING AND WILL NOT HAVE AN END. NOW EVEN THE TERM EXISTENCE FOR THE INFINITE DOES NOT APPLY SINCE EVEN THAT TERM EXISTS BECAUSE OFTHE INFINITE. BEAR WITH ME, THE INFINITE COULD NOT HAVE ANY LIMITS FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE IF IT DID THEN IT WOULD BE LIMITED AT SOMETHING AND THEREFORE NOT INFINITELY INFINITE. HAD THAT BEEN THE CASE THEN INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY AND MATTER, COULD NOT EXIST., SINCE THEY COULD ONLY EXIST AS PART OF AN INFINITE INTELLIGENCE ENERGY AND MATTER WHICH HAS NO BEGINNING OR END, WAS NEVER EVOLVED (STARTED) AND WILL NEVER DISOLVE (FINISH), SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU CANNOT HAVE INTELLIGENCE OUT OF NON-INTELLIGENCE, OR ENERGY OUT OF NON-ENERGY, AND MATTER OUT OF NON-MATTER.

    ENERGY AND MATTER CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED. I BELIEVE THAT ENERGY/MATTER/AND INTELLIGENCE ARE OF 1 COMMON FORM WHEN IT COMES TO INFINITE MINUTE PARTICLE LEVEL, AND IN OUR PHYSICAL WORLD MATTER PRODUCES ENERGY, AND AS I BELIEVE INTELLIGENCE IN ITSELF IS A FORM OF ENERGY (IT USES UP MATTER AND PRODUCES WORK). SO IT IS NOT THAT THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY AND MATTER IN THE UNIVERSE IS FIXED, BUT RATHER THAT ENERGY, INTELLIGENCE AND MATTER IN THE INFINITE IS INFINITE.

    NOW THE REASON THAT THIS INFINITE INTELLIGENCE IS AN INFINITE UNITY, IS SIMPLY BECAUSE IF IT WAS NOT, THAT WOULD MEAN WE ALL HAVE INDIVIDUAL INTELLIGENCE AND EVERY EACH ONE OF WHICH EMERGED OUT OF ITS OWN, OUT OF NOTHING WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE. FROM MATH WE KNOW THAT EVERY STAGE EVEN THOUGH AN INFINITY IN ITSELF IS A UNIT. THE INFINITE IS A UNITY WHICH THOUGH HAS NO BEGINNING AND NO END, BECAUSE IF IT DID WE LEAD OURSELVES TO THE PARADOX OF BEGINNING TO EXIST OUT OF NOTHING. THIS INFINITE UNITY OF ENERGY,INTELLIGENCE AND MATTER IS WHAT WE CALL GOD.

    I BELIEVE IN GOD AS GOD IS DEPICTED IN THE BIBLE SIMPLY BECAUSE AT SOME POINT IN HISTORY THE INFINITE WOULD REVEALE CERTAIN UNDERSTANDING TO THE PEOPLE, SO AS PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON, SINCE THEY ARE BEINGS OF SAID LEVEL OF EXISTENCE AND RESPONSIBILITY AND THEY ARE THE MOST INTELLIGENT SPECIES ON OUR PLANET, WITH THE DUTY TO ADMINISTER THE PLANET, AS OTHER EXISTENCES ADMINISTER THE GALAXIES (PATTERNS). I BELIEVE THE BIBLE BETTER DEPICTS THE INFINITE, AS THE ONE GOD ( THE FATHER, THE SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT AS THE INFINITE INTELLIGENCE,MATTER AND ENERGY CORRESPONDINGLY ). GENESIS DEPICTS CREATION IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT COULD BE UNDERSTOOD BY PEOPLE OF ANY GIVEN TIME, BUT IT COULD NOT POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN CONCEIVED BY THE PEOPLE OF THE TIME. THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN BY DIFFERENT PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT TIMES (WITHOUT MEANS OF COMMUNICATION) AND THE WRITTINGS OF THE BIBLE FORETOLD THE EVENTS THAT BECAME REALITY THROUGH CHRIST. I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE IT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME EVEN THOUGH IT WAS AND STILL IS FOUGHT BY PEOPLE IN POSITION OF POWER TO DESTROY IT BUT UNABLE TO DO SO. I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE WHERE US THE OLYMPIAN MYTHOLOGY DOES NOT. I BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE THE INFINITE GOD WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR ANYTHING TO PRESENT ITSELF IN THE INFINITE GOD'S PLACE WHEN GOD DECLARED "I AM YOUR GOD, THERE IS NO OTHER GOD BUT ME." I WANT GOD TO KNOW THAT I WANT TO LIVE IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO DO AS A HUMAN BEING WHICH IS TO NOT AFFECT NEGATIVELY OTHERS AND TO EVEN WORK, IF NOT STRIVE TOWARDS THEIR WELL BEING. IT IS NOT EASY AT ALL BUT IF I CANNOT BE POSITIVE I CHOOSE NOT TO BE NEGATIVE ( WHICH IS ADMITTEDLY VERY HARD WITH SOME OF YOU CHARACTERS IN THIS BLOG).

    WHAT DOES A-THEISM HAVE TO OFFER: A LIFE AWAY FROM GOD ( A- WITHOUT/AGAINST) ONLY TO GIVE MYSELF A SENSE OF FALSE FREEDOM FROM ADMONISHIMENT BY MY OWN CONSCIOUSNESS, BY TRYING TO CONVINCE MYSELF THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST WHILE TRYING TO CONVINCE OTHERS OF THE SAME FALSE PERSPECTIVE; WHEN EVERYTHING AROUND ME AND WITHIN ME IS A SELF -EVIDENT PROOF THAT GOD DOES EXIST?. EVEN THOUGH WE CANNOT BE APART FROM THE INFINITE, TO WANT TO BE AWAY FROM GOD IS IN ITSELF SELFISH. IF I WAS TO DO ANY GOOD DEED, AS AN ATHEIST, IT WILL BE BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE A GOOD THING TO DO, BUT WHEN SUCH A DEED CONTRADICTS MY INTERESTS, WHEN I WILL HAVE TO SACRIFICE WHETHER TIME OR MONEY,OR EVEN PERHAPS MY OWN WELL BEING WITHOUT WANTING TO LIVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH HOW GOD WANTS ME TO LIVE, I MAY FIND MYSELF FOLLOWING A CHAIN REACTION THAT WOULD LEAD TO A LIFE WITHOUT BALANCE, LET ALONE SELF RESTRAINT, AND SELFISHNESS. IF I WANT TO BE AWAY FROM GOD ANYWAY, WHY WOULD I CARE TO STRUGGLE NOT TO BE SELFISH, TO SERVE MY PURPOSE, TO WORK FOR THE ORDER OF THINGS, FOR POSITIVITY AROUND MY HORIZONS, AND TO NOT REBEL AND DESTROY IN ORDER TO FUTILY RIP THE INFINITY APART FROM ME ( THAT BY THE WAY COULD NOT BE ACCOMPLISHED EVEN IF I COULD INFINITELY DISPERSE WITHIN THE INFINITE). AS PART OF THE INFINITE I SUPPORT ORDER, AND LOGIC, I SERVE THE PURPOSE OF MY EXISTENCE, AND I HOPE TO LEARN FROM IT AND ACHIEVE A HIGHER LEVEL OF EXISTENCE. TO WANT TO BE AWAY FROM GOD WOULD BE ILLOGICAL, DISORDELY, INSANE. THAT IS WHAT THE DEVIL IS STRIVING TO FUTILYACCOMPLISH AND DRAG ALONG THE PATH OF DISTRUCTION AS MANY AS HE POSSIBLY CAN. ALL HE WILL ACHIVE IS FROM THE HIGHER BEING OF GREATER RESPONSIBILITY THAT HE WAS (AS THE BIBLE DESCRIBES), TO BE DISPERSED IN INFINITELY MINUTE PARTICLES WITHIN THE INFINITE AND CEASE TO EXIST, OR AT BEST BECOME PART OF A STAR OR THE LAVA OF A PLANET, BECAUSE TRULY ENERGY CANNOT BE CREATED OR DESTROYED, BUT CONTINUOUSLY CHANGES FORMS (AND STILL SERVES A PURPOSE).

    ON OUR LAST DAY, WHAT WILL MATTER IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE TO POSITIVELY CONTRIBUTE TO THE BETTERMENT OF HUMANITY AND SOCIETY. IF WE WERE TO MAKE IT TOO ANOTHER LEVEL OF EXISTENCE, WE WOULD BE TOO PRE-OCCUPPIED TO REMEMBER A FIGMENT OF OUR MEMORIES EVEN IF WE STILL SOMEHOW RETAINED IN OUR SPIRITS A HINT OF THE MEMORY OF SOMETHING THAT TOOK PLACE DURING OUR EXISTENCE AS HUMANS.

    July 30, 2012 at 5:44 am |
    • tazanastazio

      CORRECTION (IT IS REALLY LATE, AND GOODNIGHT) :I SHOULD WANT FOR MYSELF TO WANT (GOD ALWAYS KNOWS WHAT I WANT) AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLE CAN, TO WORK TOWARDS LIVING IN FULL ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO DO AS A HUMAN BEING WHICH IS TO NOT AFFECT NEGATIVELY OTHERS AND TO EVEN WORK, IF NOT STRIVE TOWARDS THEIR WELL BEING. IT IS NOT EASY AT ALL BUT IF I CANNOT BE POSITIVE I CAN CHOOSE TO TRY IF NOT STRIVE AND ACHIEVE NOT TO BE NEGATIVE.

      July 30, 2012 at 5:57 am |
    • SciGuy

      Taz, are there different sizes of infinity?

      July 30, 2012 at 7:26 am |
    • Mike

      All-caps totally legitimizes your argument.

      July 30, 2012 at 8:46 am |
    • philthycoder

      I kind of hope someone's keeping tabs on this manifesto-spewing wacko... maybe don't let him near any assault weapons?

      July 30, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • heavenSnot

      written like a true Capitalist

      July 30, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  14. Tru Believer

    I would first like to say may God comfort all the living victims, their families, the families of the deceased victims & the suspect & his family.. And God was present July 20 in Colorado, but sometimes we just let Satan over power our minds. We may never understand y bad things happen to innocent ppl but I can assure you that God will never do anything to hurt us.

    July 30, 2012 at 4:39 am |
    • Mirosal

      You had better re-read your big book of fairy tales. Your "god" has hurt too many to count in that book, going so far as to completely eradicate EVERY living thing on this Earth, save for one small boat filled with animals. You were saying something about not hurting us? Please, continue.

      July 30, 2012 at 5:16 am |
    • HeavenSent

      God brings disasters.

      "I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the Lord, do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

      "If a trumpet is blown in a city, will not the people be afraid? If there is calamity in a city, will not the Lord have done it?" Amos 3:6 (Lamentations 3:38, Revelation -19)

      God sends lies to those that refuse to believe.

      "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth . . ." 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (2 Chronicles 18:18-22)

      Amen.

      July 30, 2012 at 6:12 am |
    • T-Max73

      Troll much??

      July 30, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • sam stone

      You have no authority to make this assurance

      July 30, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  15. john seraichyk

    An automobile knows nothing of its creator, nor does it question the matter....You cannot teach your family pet algebra, nor can your human intellect comprehend your master...What you do know for sure is that it happened and things of such will continue to happen...Better to live as there is a God and find out there wasn’t than to live as there isn’t and find out there is...You will never know God is all you need until God is all you've got...Don’t think so; just ask any one if the family’s who have lost a loved one in this demonic tragedy...Its unfortunate that we need something this horrific to shatter our stubborn human will to the point of submission to our maker...We are peons...Traveling at the speed of light, it would take 100,000 years to cross Gods Milky Way...At that same speed, you would circle the Earth 6 times in one second! You’re not that important people...'In Genesis 6, God had had it with our distain for love and lust for sin; he floods the world...It was only through His amazing grace and Love, that somehow he couldn’t let go of His beloved Noah and hence here you are today...Know God; Know love, No God, no love! – Pretty simple...

    July 30, 2012 at 3:59 am |
  16. john seraichyk

    An automobile knows nothing of its creator, nor does it question the matter....You cannot teach your family pet algebra, nor can your human intellect comprehend your master...What you do know for sure is that it happened and things of such will continue to happen...Better to live as there is a God and find out there wasn’t than to live as there isn’t and find out there is...You will never know God is all you need until God is all you've got...Don’t think so; just ask any one if the family’s who have lost a loved one in this demonic tragedy...Its unfortunate that we need something this horrific to shatter our stubborn human will to the point of submission to our maker...We are peons...Traveling at the speed of light, it would take 100,000 years to cross Gods Milky Way...At that same speed, you would circle the Earth 6 times in one second! You’re not that important people...'In Genesis 6, God had had it with our disdain for love and lust for sin; he floods the world...It was only through His amazing grace and Love, that somehow he couldn’t let go of His beloved Noah and hence here you are today...Know God; Know love, No God, no love! – Pretty simple...

    July 30, 2012 at 3:58 am |
    • Mirosal

      uh-huh.. it's called Pascal's Wager.. how do you know you have the RIGHT "god"? There have been THOUSANDS upon thousands of "gods" worshipped throughout human history. Are you sure yours is the right one? Once you realize why you have dismissed all those other gods, yours is pretty easy to dismiss as well, using the exact same reasoning.

      July 30, 2012 at 4:16 am |
    • Eric

      @ mirosal, my God is real due to the fact that He has changed history, changed lives, and is not still laying in a tomb like all of the other founders of religions on this planet. My God rose from the tomb after sacrificing Himself for all of us. What did the others ever do? The fact that people get so upset over Christianity reveals the truth in the matter, down in their hearts they understand what it means to admit that God exists. They just do not wish to go there. They are afraid to go there.

      July 30, 2012 at 12:12 pm |
    • sam stone

      Gee, Eric...can you put in some more unsubstantiated claims?

      July 30, 2012 at 2:33 pm |
  17. tazanastazio

    TO ALL YOU HIGH-ACHIEVERS AND NOBLE PRIZE WINNERS OUT THERE. GET IT STRAIGHT: OUR UNIVERSE DID NOT BEGIN FROM ONE PARTICLE WHICH C!A-ME OUT OF NOWHERE, OR WAS ALWAYS THERE BY ITSELF. R-A-TH-ER INFINITE-LY MIN-UTE PAR-TIC-LES WIT-HIN THE INFINITE, FORM FORM-ATIONS, OBJ-ECTS, PL-A-NE-TS GA-LA-XI-ES AND UNIV-ERSES ( AND EXIS-TENCES AND ENT-ITIES ), THROUGH INFINITE CH-AI-NS OF AC-TIONS AND RE-A-CTIONS OR WHAT HA-VE YOU, AND ALL THE AF-OR-EM-E-NTIONED DIS-OL-VE BACK TO PARTICLES WIT-HIN THE INFINITE THROUGH CH-AI-NS OF AC-TIONS AND R-E-ACTIONS.

    NOTHING HAPPENS OUT OF NOTHING. NO INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY OR MATTER CAN EVOLVE OUT OF NOTHING BUT FROM ANOTHER ENERGY INTELLIGENCE OR MATTER. NO ENERGY, INTELLIGENCE OR MATTER CAN EXIST WITHOUT HAVING A BEGINNING OR AN END, EXCEPT THE INFINITE ENERGY/ INTELLIGENCE/MATTER AKA GOD.

    TIME DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE INFINITE. TIME IS A WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW MANY MOVEMENTS AN OBJECT DID IN SPACE ( TURNS OF THE EARTH ), IN REFERENCE TO ANOTHER OBJECT ( AROUND THE SUN ). THEREFORE THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL. ONLY THE INFINITE/GOD CAN UNDO THE INFINITE CHAINS OF ACTIONS AND REACTIONS TO TURN A SECTOR OF THE INFINITE TO AN EARLIER STAGE. ONLY THE INFINITE/GOD CAN PREDICT HOW THE INFINITE/GOD WILL WANT THE FUTURE TO C!O-ME TO BE ( OR UNDERSTAND HOW EACH OF US IS ABOUT TO AFFECT THE FUTURE SINCE THE INFINITE IS IN EVERY MINUTE PARTICLE OF OUR EXISTENCE ).

    LIGHT IS NOT THE FASTEST THING IN THE UNIVERSE, IT IS THE FASTEST THING WE CAN OBSERVE.

    UNLESS SOMEONE CAN DEVIDE THE ENERGY THAT CAN BE DISTILLED FROM THE MA!S-S OF A MOUNTAIN (EVEN THE PART OF THE ENERGY THAT ESCAPES AS HEAT) AND DERIVE THE SPEED OF LIGHT SQUARED, OR UNLESS E = M C^2 MEANS THAT THE SPEED C IN QUESTION DESCRIBES AN INFINITELY INCREASING SPEED (AND NOT SQUARED BUT RAISED TO INFINITY ), INFINITE ENERGY CANNOT EQUAL INFINITE MA!S-S TIMES A CONSTANT SPEED WHICH IS CONVINIENTLY FOUND IN NATURE, AND WHICH SPEED WE CONVINIENTLY CANNOT SURPA!S-S IN OUR EXPERIMENTS IN ORDER TO DISPROVE.

    EVERY ACTION AND REACTION, EVERY PHENOMENON, FROM LIGHT/SOUND MOVEMENT TO VISION/HEARING, MAGNETISM WORMHO!LES IN SPACE ( WHIRLPOOLS RATHER – THE PARTICLES OF WHICH ACT REACT, AND MAKE IT SEEM AS IF IT WAS A MAGNETIC FIELD AND NOT A FLUID SORT OF PHENOMENON THAT TRAPS EVERYTHING IN EACH FLOW, AND FROM WHICH EVEN THE FASTEST SUPPOSEDLY OBJECT IN THE UNIVERSE CANNOT ESCAPE FROM THE MOST LIKELY FASTER MOVING PARTICLES OF THE WHIRLPOOL ), ALL ARE OUT!C-OMES OF REACTIONS BETWEEN INFINITELY MINUTE PARTICLES ( SMALLER THAN PHOTONS, THEREFORE INVISIBLE – ECLIPSE PHENOMENON ).

    FOR SOMETHING TO EXIST, IT MUST HAVE MA!S-S (HOWEVER INFITESMALY MINUTE). JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING CANNOT BE OBSERVED OR MEASURED IT DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST OR IT DOES NOT HAVE MA!S-S. EVEN ENERGY HAS MA!S-S ( HOWEVER MINUTE THE PARTICLES THAT CONSIST IT MAY BE), OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT EXIST AND WOULD NOT PERFORM WORK (NO ACTION AND RE-ACTION EVEN AT THE INFINITESMALLY MINUTE LEVEL – NO OUTC!O-ME ) .

    BETWEEN ANY TWO UNITS ( NUMBER 1 AND 2 ) EXIST AN INFINITY. A MIDDLE POINT WOULD DENOTE A BALANCING ZERO WHICH WOULD DIVIDE THIS "STAGE" INTO POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. INFINITE STAGES EXIST WITHIN THE INFINITE. THE INFINITE IS INFINITE FROM EVERY PERSPECTIVE, BOTH WITHIN THE MACROCOSM (INFINITE EVERYTHING) AND THE MICROCOSM (INFINITE NOTHING). THE INFINITE (INFINITE ENERGY/INTELLIGENCE/MATTER), IS GOD AND GOD IS THE INFINITE.

    WHEN YOU DO READ SOMETHING, WHETHER IT IS WRITTEN IN A BLOG OR A SCIENCE BOOK, BEAR IN MIND THE POSSIBLE MOTIVATIONS OF THE AUTHORS AND BY USING GOOD JUDGEMENT LEARN WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A TEST (LIKE PARROTS IF YOU HAVE TO), BUT KEEP WHAT IS THE TRUTH AS GUIDANCE THROUGHOUT YOUR LIVES.

    WHAT ATHEISTS DO NOT LIKE ABOUT THIS THEORY IS SIMPLY THAT GOD IS PROVEN MATHEMATICALLY AND SCIENTIFICALLY, IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOD'S BIBLICAL DEPICTION. AND THAT IT GIVES ADEQUATE ANSWERS TO UNANSWERED BY THEM QUESTIONS, SUCH AS WHAT CAUSED WHATEVER CAUSED THE CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE, AND WHAT CAUSED THAT E.TC. AND WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF EXISTENCE, AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE OUTC!O-ME OF THE HUMAN EXISTENCE AFTER "DEATH." WHAT IS "GOOD" AND "EVIL," "POSITIVE," AND "NEGATIVE," "HEAVEN" AND "HE!L-L," "ANGELS," AND "DAEMONS," "CHRIST" AND "DEVIL." WELL IT IS ALL IN THE BIBLE BUT TO THOSE OF YOU WHO PREFER TO CALL THEMSELVES "MODERN," "EDUCATED" AND "SOPHISTICATED," I GIVE YOU "INFINITISM."

    July 30, 2012 at 3:53 am |
    • Mirosal

      First of all, it's the NOBEL prize, not the Noble prize. If you can't even get THAT right, what else have you missed? Oh yeah, when you say "infinite", that's also a refernce to time itself. Just becauseYOU cannot comprehend the vastness of the universe and the complexities of time and possible paradoxes, does NOT mean there is a "god" behind it all. Oh, and I am still waiting for all that mathematic and scientific proof that "god" exists ... lay it on us!!

      July 30, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Mirosal, lesson # 1, what does this scripture explain?

      Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

      Hebrews 1:3

      Amen.

      July 30, 2012 at 6:16 am |
    • Mirosal

      It explains that someone was chewing on some serious shrooms when this was written in clay tablets. I asked for his sceintific and mathematical proof that there is a god, which he claimed he had. Your quoting of a 3000 year old story is in no way proof of anything at all. Do you have his scientific and/or mathrmatical evidence? Your book is in no way evidence.

      July 30, 2012 at 6:26 am |
    • Mirosal

      it's only a prediction that a prophet will come. Nothing new there.

      July 30, 2012 at 6:27 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Nothing better than starting the week off with a screaming post of theistic techno-babble, full of sound and fury but signifying nothing.
      You claim to have some mathematical proof, so a link to it would be appreciated.

      It kind of reads like a Star Trek script....
      "Captain, if we re-modulate the deflector array to emit a tachyon pulse beam to detect photonic attenuation, we should be able to see right through the JHVH cloaking device and prove that God exists."

      July 30, 2012 at 8:22 am |
    • DanW

      How unfortunate for us that tazanastazio has provided us with the ultimate answers, and proof thereof, but nobody else has the intelligence to understand it and to the rest of us it appears as nonsense and drivel.

      July 30, 2012 at 12:08 pm |
  18. tazanastazio

    TO ALL YOU HIGH-ACHIEVERS AND NOBLE WINNERS OUT THERE. GET IT STRAIGHT: OUR UNIVERSE DID NOT BEGIN FROM ONE PARTICLE WHICH C!A-ME OUT OF NOWHERE, OR WAS ALWAYS THERE BY ITSELF.

    July 30, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • tazanastazio

      THIS IS A TEST OVER C-N-N BLOCKING MECHANISM...THROUGH INFINITE CHAIN ACTIONS AND REACTIONS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED DISOLVE BACK TO PARTICLES WITHIN THE INFINITE THROUGH CHAIN ACTIONS AND REACTIONS.

      July 30, 2012 at 3:45 am |
  19. tazanastazio

    NOTHING HAPPENS OUT OF NOTHING. NO INTELLIGENCE, ENERGY OR MATTER CAN EVOLVE OUT OF NOTHING BUT FROM ANOTHER ENERGY INTELLIGENCE OR MATTER. NO ENERGY, INTELLIGENCE OR MATTER CAN EXIST WITHOUT HAVING A BEGINNING OR AN END, EXCEPT THE INFINITE ENERGY/ INTELLIGENCE/MATTER AKA GOD.

    July 30, 2012 at 2:49 am |
    • Mirosal

      Sorry, but your logic is flawed, much like the caps lock key on your keyboard is flawed (FYI it's located next to the "A" key) . You said everything has to have a beginning, except your "god". Why does your "god" not have to have a beginning? There had to have been some amount of time (even a nanosecond) that your "god" did not exist. Your "god" also had to come from somewhere, right?

      July 30, 2012 at 3:51 am |
    • sam stone

      How do you make the leap of logic from (the possibility of) a creator to the certainty of a being that judges man?

      July 30, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
  20. tazanastazio

    TIME DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE INFINITE. TIME IS A WAY TO DESCRIBE HOW MANY MOVEMENTS AN OBJECT DID IN SPACE ( TURNS OF THE EARTH ), IN REFERENCE TO ANOTHER OBJECT ( AROUND THE SUN ). THEREFORE THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL. ONLY THE INFINITE/GOD CAN UNDO THE INFINITE CHAINS OF ACTIONS AND REACTIONS TO TURN A SECTOR OF THE INFINITE TO AN EARLIER STAGE. ONLY THE INFINITE/GOD CAN PREDICT HOW THE INFINITE/GOD WILL WANT THE FUTURE TO C!O-ME TO BE ( OR UNDERSTAND HOW EACH OF US IS ABOUT TO AFFECT THE FUTURE SINCE THE INFINITE IS IN EVERY MINUTE PARTICLE OF OUR EXISTENCE ).

    LIGHT IS NOT THE FASTEST THING IN THE UNIVERSE, IT IS THE FASTEST THING WE CAN OBSERVE.

    UNLESS SOMEONE CAN DEVIDE THE ENERGY THAT CAN BE DISTILLED FROM THE MA!S-S OF A MOUNTAIN (EVEN THE PART OF THE ENERGY THAT ESCAPES AS HEAT) AND DERIVE THE SPEED OF LIGHT SQUARED, OR UNLESS E = M C^2 MEANS THAT THE SPEED C IN QUESTION DESCRIBES AN INFINITELY INCREASING SPEED (AND NOT SQUARED BUT RAISED TO INFINITY ), INFINITE ENERGY CANNOT EQUAL INFINITE MA!S-S TIMES A CONSTANT SPEED WHICH IS CONVINIENTLY FOUND IN NATURE, AND WHICH SPEED WE CONVINIENTLY CANNOT SURPA!S-S IN OUR EXPERIMENTS IN ORDER TO DISPROVE.

    EVERY ACTION AND REACTION, EVERY PHENOMENON, FROM LIGHT/SOUND MOVEMENT TO VISION/HEARING, MAGNETISM WORMHO!LES IN SPACE ( WHIRLPOOLS RATHER – THE PARTICLES OF WHICH ACT REACT, AND MAKE IT SEEM AS IF IT WAS A MAGNETIC FIELD AND NOT A FLUID SORT OF PHENOMENON THAT TRAPS EVERYTHING IN EACH FLOW, AND FROM WHICH EVEN THE FASTEST SUPPOSEDLY OBJECT IN THE UNIVERSE CANNOT ESCAPE FROM THE MOST LIKELY FASTER MOVING PARTICLES OF THE WHIRLPOOL ), ALL ARE OUT!C-OMES OF REACTIONS BETWEEN INFINITELY MINUTE PARTICLES ( SMALLER THAN PHOTONS, THEREFORE INVISIBLE – ECLIPSE PHENOMENON ).

    FOR SOMETHING TO EXIST, IT MUST HAVE MA!S-S (HOWEVER INFITESMALY MINUTE). JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING CANNOT BE OBSERVED OR MEASURED IT DOES NOT MEAN IT DOES NOT EXIST OR IT DOES NOT HAVE MA!S-S. EVEN ENERGY HAS MA!S-S ( HOWEVER MINUTE THE PARTICLES THAT CONSIST IT MAY BE), OTHERWISE IT WOULD NOT EXIST AND WOULD NOT PERFORM WORK (NO ACTION AND RE-ACTION EVEN AT THE INFINITESMALLY MINUTE LEVEL - NO OUTC!O-ME ) .

    BETWEEN ANY TWO UNITS ( NUMBER 1 AND 2 ) EXIST AN INFINITY. A MIDDLE POINT WOULD DENOTE A BALANCING ZERO WHICH WOULD DIVIDE THIS "STAGE" INTO POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE. INFINITE STAGES EXIST WITHIN THE INFINITE. THE INFINITE IS INFINITE FROM EVERY PERSPECTIVE, BOTH WITHIN THE MACROCOSM (INFINITE EVERYTHING) AND THE MICROCOSM (INFINITE NOTHING). THE INFINITE (INFINITE ENERGY/INTELLIGENCE/MATTER), IS GOD AND GOD IS THE INFINITE.

    July 30, 2012 at 2:40 am |
    • N427

      This is not a valid proof for god. All you've done is proven that 'Infinity' is a valid concept, but you have done nothing relating to some almighty sentient being.

      Intelligence is not a type of energy, intelligence is not a type of anything. It is a way to describe the processing capabilities of the biological computers that we call the brain, nothing more.

      STOP TALKING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS AND STOP PRETENDING THAT YOU UNDERSTAND WORDS OF SUBSTANTIAL CHARACTER LENGTH.

      July 30, 2012 at 8:09 am |
    • lijebaley

      How can you claim that intelligence is infinite, when yours is clearly so finite?

      Still, you do manage to acknowledge that the Earth orbits the Sun. A few centuries ago, you would have been burned at the stake for such heresy.

      July 30, 2012 at 8:59 am |
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