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August 9th, 2012
05:38 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Thursday, August 9

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: The Sikh turban: at once personal and extremely public
Harkirat Singh Soin remembers a day in 1999 when, after much contemplation, he finally took a seat in a barber's chair. All his 18 years, he'd worn long hair, first in a top knot, then in a dastar, or turban. It was an expression of his Sikh faith and a distinct mark of his identity.

CNN: Christian college student's idea leads to rally for burned mosque
When 20-year-old Ashley Carter heard about a mosque burned to the ground in her town this week, she was shocked. "I was very saddened," she told CNN on Wednesday. "I thought it was very evil." So Carter, a student at Ozark Christian College in Joplin, Missouri, texted a friend, suggesting they organize an event "promoting acts of love."

CNN: American athletes tweet God, Bible at Olympics
A collection of articles about the intersection of faith and the Olympics.

Enlightening Reads:

The Jerusalem Post: Riyadh deports 35 Ethiopian Christians for praying
Saudi Arabia deported 35 Ethiopian Christians last week after incarcerating them for over seven months for praying in advance of the Christmas season in December 2011, according to Christian media outlets and NGOs.

Religion News Service: Muslims petition Egypt not to include Shariah
Muslim and Coptic Christian leaders in the U.S. are calling on the Egyptian government to exclude any mentions of Islamic law or language that discriminates against minorities in its draft constitution. In an letter released Tuesday (Aug. 7), the leaders urge the constitution writers to "recognize the equality of all Egyptians and to reject any language that would discriminate against any citizen of Egypt on the basis of that citizen’s religion or gender.”

Reuters: Religiosity slides worldwide, plummets in scandal-hit Ireland
Traditionally Catholic Ireland has registered almost the steepest drop worldwide in people calling themselves religious in a new survey tracking international trends in faith and atheism in recent years.

Excerpt of the Day:

To my Sikh sisters and brothers: this incident is yet another reminder of what it means for us to be racialized as Others and as eternal Outsiders... We cannot see and name ourselves as 'accidental' victims of Islamophobia, which suggests that somehow Muslims are more 'appropriate' targets of racism.

Written by Harsha Walia, guest contributor to the blog Racialicious

Join the conversation…

CNN: Close-knit mosque community shaken by fire
Members of the Joplin, Missouri, mosque destroyed by a suspicious fire are sad and shaken, but resolute in their plans to stay in the area, a spokeswoman said Tuesday.

- A. Hawkins

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  1. 111Dave111

    Mormon God is a Space Alien, LOL
    Mormons Baptize Dead People, L&LOL
    Mormon Religion, Big Money, Big Bigotry. L&L&LOL
    Mormon man in white underwear, a reference to special Mormon garments. L&L&L&LOL

    August 13, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • fos

      how to hack the hologram video:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jzfj4R52Q6I&w=640&h=390]

      August 13, 2012 at 9:16 pm |
    • fos

      for the service of the humanity!

      August 13, 2012 at 9:45 pm |
    • fos

      presumably the hologram can be 'hacked' not with energy as he suggests at the end, but simply with greater information or information processing efficiency, , as the inner universe resonates with the outer in tuning fork fashion, growing in being as a higher aspect of itself is in 'sync' or entanglement with its lower self. a fractal or hologram.

      one you can manipulate small fluctuations in the micro, the rigid physical laws can be manipulated as they are generated on this micro. since this could presumably be done by us in the not so distant future (in cosmic terms) any biological life would have found this eventually, and merged in a super unity or higher dimension of information as described in my god and ism video, meaning it has already happened–

      which means god or these higher dimensional beings could 'contact' us right now. yea...

      August 13, 2012 at 9:51 pm |
    • etc

      you get to this level by playing at a higher game; as you embody anything that is self synergistic and you get 'entangled' to your higher self as an information state or wave function (probability field)...the greater awareness EVENTUALLY would allow a point of infinite information efficiency because by quantum computation and entanglement, you gain in computing power the larger the wave function you are operating in (or the more you are resonating with a higher version of yourself ). now, this is more than just 'being good' or 'love each other' in our daily world. it really has to do with concepts that inspire you, it just comes down that in information terms this is true. the only thing is how this is applied to the real world. thats up to anybody's conjecture.

      August 13, 2012 at 10:03 pm |
  2. fos

    realbuckyball.the second law of thermodynamics can be broken on several occasions in dynamic systems as the system itself increases in order. However, I agree that in most cases when we are talking of closed systems it tends to increase in entropy.

    But that is not to say that this disproves what I am saying. it even corroborates my video, because entropy itself is the very thing used to simulate a higher order and is only entropic from our linear perspective of time. on a perspective where everything happens simultaneously from the big bang until now to the infinite future then infinite entropy and infinite complexity merge into one and by the reverse osmosis of the second law of thermodynamics you would get a point where infinite order and infinite disorder become indistinguishable.

    its precisely why disorder increases that it allows for the order, by chance, to reach a high state of complexity. so i don't know what your point is.

    August 12, 2012 at 7:09 am |
    • Dd

      Sorry- sometimes it increases in order in closed systems. Open systems tend to increase in entropy*

      August 12, 2012 at 8:35 am |
  3. fos

    and robert i was making fun of how these nerds talk of these mathematical terms and then people take them literally, which was pretty funny.

    however, i consider these concepts with the utmost respect. i am not a jesus, i just happen to have these insights. i don't think its a trip even though you can have a 'trip' off these insights. at the most fundamental level this goes to the purpose of our existence and i think that is divine and even sacred. that video of gates though was not sacred, it was just a giant parody of what he was saying *the first one

    August 12, 2012 at 7:05 am |
  4. fos

    so i guess what it really comes down to is this:

    from a higher perspective there is no evil because evil doesn't exist, it just doesn't make sense.

    but when people aren to sure of their reality, when they are not secure in their being and are tied to an illusion on a cavern wall, then evil does in fact exist. its really the reception of the perceiver and the hang ups of the perceiver because it sees it is not in control of what he or she believes as reality, or with truth, which leaves open the door to evil as there is a semantic that is 'out of sync'..something the observer cannot reconcile.

    August 12, 2012 at 6:37 am |
  5. fos

    llusion does not really satisfy the inner being because at a very deep level we resonate with truth, reality is on some level self consistent and hence truthful just for it to exist so if someone holds a false belief for temporary convenience it will not resonate with the outside or inside, meaning things will seem less meaningful as time goes on and not really satisfy the original problem by which the illusion was sought to resolve in the first place.

    on your note on morality, Im not saying there is no morality. evil does exist. I am not discounting self righteousness and the unfairness that happens on this planet.

    However, it only exists because people have a certain level of consciousness our illusion where they cannot control things, or they believe they aren to in control. I've experienced this just like anybody else.

    what I'm saying i that evil implies someone having power over somebody else. someone is vulnerable and someone sees this vulnerability and takes advantage of it. self righteousness also implies that something must be done in the OUTSIDE in order to rectify this imbalance.

    But why does this occur in the first place? from a higher consciousness everyone is in control of their own interpretation of reality (not ours though, i just want to re iterate) rhetoric is in truth a semantic game where both parties are in control of the interpretation-for anyone to affect another they must have someone else buy into this semantic. it only exists if someone has the appropriate response. given that an attack needs justification to exist, while indifference or security in the i am does not, after a certain high level of consciousness an attack is weak becausethe other person needs something frm the outside for self justification.

    now, at our level of consciousness it indeed is reversed. many people are vulnerable because they DO NOT have control of their own reality or are not very intelligent, so somebody else can take advantage by exploiting what everyone sees as an inconsistency in the persons actions or behavior.

    But this ONLY EXISTS because people have this level of consciousness. it is not intrinsically true. sure, if people sit in front of a cave wall, chained to it, and watch a screen of moving images they believe to be reality, if someone comes along and starts showing distatesful pictures it is indeed evil, but only by virtue of the people believing the screen is real. if the people thought it was just a screen, the interpretation would be quite different.

    so something is only evil based on how the perceiver receives it and the intention of the person doing it.

    imagine an organism for example that can only sense the reality he or she chooses, no pain. and that semantically everything lies in the interpretation,. the self does not exist, because in a sort of neural internet, everyone sees who they are and everyone sees how they are, they see how others see them. there is no shame in this because there is no possible way anyone can delve into illusion and everyone sees everyone else as an extension of themselves, as they can also see as them, and in turn, eventually they know they will grow and experience any one of these perspectives over the course of their existence .

    nothing would be 'evil' or 'good' in this environment because obviously everyone having this perspective f the totality is in peace in who they are and what just is...semantics is in the power of the perceiver and the observer.

    but in a reality where people are unsure about the totality and cling to the self, where people get away from 'god' or what have you, where unfairness is felt and experienced (as it very well would be if there is no afterlife, then nothing would have much meaning as it indeed would be unfair) and people don't have faith IN THEMSELVES, insecurity based on self, which we have all experienced on some level, then of course there will be evil because some will take advantage of other vulnerable people.

    one perspective does not take away from the other. they are both simultaneously true. the goal would be to graduate in perspective. the lower perspective made sense in past evolution because the truth was centered on individual survival, yet in an interconnected world the utilitarian becomes more and more where the interest of the whole is also that of the individual, both for thein other words, a survival mentally not only goes against the mind in an interconnected world but it is against self interest in the long haul. as in aggregate everyone doing this leads to anti-utilitarian outcomes were the whole is worse off and inevitably, the individual as well. it reflects the basic truth that the inner being when it graduates to the higher mind in civilization no longer is

    August 12, 2012 at 6:30 am |
  6. fos

    well actually thats not accurate, you can only know first through yourself, your own experience or tautological truisms, self similarity across any system as each bit or ism reflects any other attribute of the totality. the belief thing has to do with a higher concept on how faith does not distribute your being o ver time. For example, if you have a very strong desire or expectation that 'distributes' your wave function or biengness across time, so you are less in the 'now' and hence less alive. faith increases 'life' in that you don't distribute your being across time and instead concentrate it in place in time. but thats another concept entirely that has to do with the wave function and quantum mechanics.

    some links

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1466382/pg1

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1695985/pg1

    this presentation is kind of messed up. I had two versions and when i posted it from my iPad somehow the two of them got plastered together, making very little sense in sequence. But its a continuation of the above so if you're interested:

    (function() { var scribd = document.createElement("script"); scribd.type = "text/javascript"; scribd.async = true; scribd.src = "#{root_url}javascripts/embed_code/inject.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(scribd, s); })()

    dddd
    metaphysics as it applies to governance:

    (function() { var scribd = document.createElement("script"); scribd.type = "text/javascript"; scribd.async = true; scribd.src = "#{root_url}javascripts/embed_code/inject.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(scribd, s); })()

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Obelisktron/Outline_of_metaphysics

    August 12, 2012 at 3:37 am |
  7. forts

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1466382/pg1

    http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1695985/pg1

    this presentation is kind of messed up. I had two versions and when i posted it from my iPad somehow the two of them got plastered together, making very little sense in sequence. But its a continuation of the above so if you're interested:

    (function() { var scribd = document.createElement("script"); scribd.type = "text/javascript"; scribd.async = true; scribd.src = "#{root_url}javascripts/embed_code/inject.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(scribd, s); })()

    metaphysics as it applies to governance:

    (function() { var scribd = document.createElement("script"); scribd.type = "text/javascript"; scribd.async = true; scribd.src = "#{root_url}javascripts/embed_code/inject.js"; var s = document.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(scribd, s); })()

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Obelisktron/Outline_of_metaphysics

    August 12, 2012 at 3:34 am |
  8. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    August 9, 2012 at 8:18 pm |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ,

      August 10, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists are the brick walls ... aka sociopaths. Look it up and you'll figure out why you are the way you are. No emotions. That's why you are so gun ho on the intellect.

      August 10, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @HeavenSent

      We just look at your posts when we want to know what a sociopath is.

      August 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • forts

      why there is evil

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKG_OZuAkw&w=640&h=390]

      math proof of god:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLp236oAZa8&w=640&h=390]

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      August 12, 2012 at 3:18 am |
    • fos

      btw, i didn't make any of the videos above, just the math proof of god video.

      August 13, 2012 at 2:30 am |
    • fos

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGe9rcDfAt0&w=640&h=390]

      August 13, 2012 at 7:38 am |
    • fos

      lol, i saw the video and i can't believe how clueless these people are–goofball logic.

      But hey, there is a math and religion video for you.

      August 13, 2012 at 8:13 am |
    • fos

      seeing how these guys think, if they were to see the hermetic math or information way of thinking their head would probably explode.

      particularly because an ism or semantic based perspective would agree with all of them, yet disagree with them on their own exclusion of another. lol, such irony.

      August 13, 2012 at 8:27 am |
  9. Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

    Don't listen to me, I'm the twit.

    August 9, 2012 at 6:43 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, joy. My little trolls are back from their shift at Mickey Ds!

      August 9, 2012 at 7:43 pm |
  10. just sayin

    So what will Christians do today to fight freedom, liberty and civil rights. What place will they burn to the gorund or shoot out of hate? Wonder if they will lynch an q u ee rs?

    August 9, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • derf

      That's Christard to you faggot.

      August 9, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
    • just sayin

      The Lord has not given us a spirit of fear and in Christ we do not hate. God bless

      August 10, 2012 at 6:09 am |
  11. Science

    Hi Religion,

    While you guys continue to talk about what kind of sandwich is allowed and sort of clothing I should, I'm landing stuff on mars. You're welcome.

    Science

    August 9, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Humanity

      @Science

      Thanks for everything.

      -Humanity

      August 9, 2012 at 12:58 pm |
    • just sayin

      Science is one of Gods gifts to mankind. God bless

      August 10, 2012 at 6:10 am |
    • forts

      why there is evil

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eKG_OZuAkw&w=640&h=390]

      math proof of god:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLp236oAZa8&w=640&h=390]

      ffgf
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      fgfg
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      August 12, 2012 at 3:19 am |
  12. Rundvelt

    Math proves God. Funny, I don't see that in any of the mathematical journals. It's almost like you're making it up.

    August 9, 2012 at 8:41 am |
    • William Demuth

      I believe the Doobie Brothers summed it up best when sang the words

      But what a fool believes he sees, No wise man has the power to reason away because what seems to be is always better than nothing

      People like this poster are cowards. These "insights" they try to offer are just public manifestations of their unwillingness to accept their own mortality. They are children, afraid of the dark, whistling a happy tune as they walk past the graveyard.

      The simplest explanation, the most logical explanation is that they will live, they will die, they will rot, and they will be forgotten.

      That terrifies them, and this nonsense is the result.

      It’s akin to bedwetting.

      August 9, 2012 at 9:06 am |
    • Science

      Please go a step further. How does math prove god? 1+1=2 ipso facto, god? or is it you're as.sumption that there's beauty in math or it's "perfect" so it must mean god exists?

      August 9, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      "Divine revelation does not occur within earthly logic, according to which humans are the wise and powerful who posses important knowledge and transmit it to those who are more simple. ... God's style is another: His communication is addressed precisely to the 'childlike'. ... And what is this childlikeness that opens humans to a filial intimacy with God and to welcoming His will? ... It is the pureness of heart that allows us to recognize the face of God in Jesus Christ. It is keeping our hearts as simple as those of children, without the presumptions of those who are locked in themselves, thinking they have no need of anyone, not even God".
      - Pope Benedict XVI
      7 December, 2011
      Vatican City

      August 10, 2012 at 3:38 am |
    • HeavenSent

      William, how many doobies did the Doobie brothers have when they wrote that slop? Better yet, how many doobies did it take for you to like that slop?

      August 10, 2012 at 2:18 pm |
    • fos

      lol, no i put math proof of God just to get attention. obviously since reality is tautological your experience is truth in itself. i cannot prove anything unless you first accept it, by trusting me or faith. Itsn to a proof that implies absolutism but there is mathematical backing to many of these insights (in fact, most of math and quantum mechanics), but you are right, it would be a stretch to call it absolute or or a proof.

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      it was really life changing because i came to the realization that there is self similarity across all of nature "as, above so below" because the ism or tautology is the same 'bit' unraveling frm the micro into the macro...plants, the human being, its the same universe (becoming self aware of itself i guess). From a linear time perspective it looks more 'complete' as you compare more intelligent animals to those of lower intelligence but in the super unity it all springs from the same ism or tautology. all perspectives are equally mathematically accurate and equal from the perspective of the super unity Or God.

      the statement 'all men are created equal' then starts making sense, if you just go by what many people in the church say it doesn't. any one with basic observation skills will see that people are born with differing abilities and talents, but when you see it from the super unity there is no unfairness as all are REALLY equal because any one ism or I AM is by virtue of the totality.

      the micro unravels across time into the macro in greater complexity (life forms, etc) and across space as all possible rule constructs or universes originate at the singularity and return to it when they 'complete'.

      the singularity being an infinite computation or infinite perspective painting that is unknowable, because it will only reflect the limitation of your own mind (an infinite painting) unless you see it from the totality.

      August 12, 2012 at 3:42 am |
    • fos

      william demuth, I'm just going to answer you with brian greene, so take it up with him not me, he's an authority figure:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      August 12, 2012 at 3:55 am |
    • fos

      "why there is something rather than nothing" on youtube. link is not posting.

      August 12, 2012 at 3:57 am |
    • fos

      its by JohananRaatz on youtube.

      August 12, 2012 at 3:59 am |
    • fos

      @science

      science is proving, through the empirical process, that the universe is more about information and quantum mechanics..all of the basic things in nature can be described according to mathematics. thats not to elevate math but scientists themselves are admitting that reality may very well be MORE about math than a material empirical reality. One of pure information, and that the problem really arises with our conception of what reality is. So in that sense blame science, not math.

      the theoretical PHYSICST James Gates, who is on the academic board for Barack Obama, has recently admitted that reality may be more about information as he has found what he refers to as 'computer code' in the mathematical language that is used to describe reality and that we may very well live in the 'matrix' look it up on youtube if you don't believe me (in case the link below doesn't post)

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      August 12, 2012 at 4:03 am |
    • fos

      anton zellinger (a renowned quantum scientists) admits that the world we perceive may be a quantum reality and that the real problem is our own conception of how reality functions. so science seems to be proving math and quantum mechanics. in that case, if you disagree, then perhaps you should have faith in your materialist view just as christians from your perspective have faith in nonsense because its not based in science.

      August 12, 2012 at 4:06 am |
    • fos

      actually this is the interview. the other video apparently is some racist talking smack about gates.

      here is gates in the interview:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z9tO0D6W-Y&w=640&h=390]

      anton zellinger:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

      scientists saying reality IS MATH:

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJUyLBbAz9w&w=640&h=390]

      August 12, 2012 at 4:11 am |
    • fos

      william, see link immediately above ^

      August 12, 2012 at 4:28 am |
    • fos

      I guess all these scientists are bedwetters then.

      the fact is you need to prove nothing just as much as something. given that our consciousness is generated by the transference of contrasting perspectives, we are more of an image or information paradigm, even a wave function, that is only as good as the last best mirror' which transfers the totality of our consciousness, image or perspective. Given that the wave function of the universe at the planck where all realities 'run' on is the last 'mirror' looking in on our consciousness, 'containing' us...we are glued onto this higher dimensional construct.

      it could very well be that when we die we get 'glued' or transferred. if we are an image, then our information must exist somewhere in the universe by principle of correspondence (multiverse, i say uni-verse because i see multi verse as redundant, one out of many) then our consciousness would be more aptly described as a wave function across time and space and that reality somewhere will always contain something that embodies our information, a super unity perspective which we are glued (higher being) or our version in another dimension like in the movie source code. we came from nothing once as consciousness, its not impossible that this would happen again.

      however, it could also be that we just die. it comes down to faith.we came from nothing once as consciousness, its not impossible that this would happen again. information does not cease to exist it in information theory- it very much transforms or always is in some state like energy . I'm not saying its one or the other. but if extrapolating that a higher reality exists is bedwetting then pretty much all of science, any curious thinker or out of the box mindset would be bedwetting.

      the world would be one giant state enforcing a bureaucracy with no real point or purpose to anything.

      its also interesting that the more people hold a materialist reality the more pointless life is in context, yet the more information perspective the more meaning it has. also, the more information perspective corresponds with more prosperous systems. given that nature often rewards that which is most adaptable. if a more information perspective is more adaptable because of meaning, it must resonate with the truth of reality on some level. non truth states eventually get naturally de selected because of their lack of self consistency throughout time (making them unable to adapt) as per information theory (along with evolutionary biology). so if an information perspective is more adaptive it could very well be more truth based. you could say that illusion is also good for survival, like a god in the sky, because it doesn't make people face the harsh reality of meaningless of life, but this is not true because illusion only exacerbates suffering, it creates an emotional bondage between the person that upholds it and whatever ideal the person is sacrificing his or her being for. so in that sense an illusion system just degrades into an establishment that upholds this ideal or morality (empiricism, religious, statist like the soviet union..all major tyrannical systems have come from moral ideological illusions which have the person have a conflict whihtin themselves).

      so it seems by the terms of information itself, reality favors truth as truth compounds on truth. falsehood compounds on falsehood and i turn leads to the self destruction of the system (as any system that is inconsistent in itself must lose 'bits' until ti forms a core of truth or kernel by which it can thereafter grow). given that perspective, it very much seems that information is the accurate point of view because it resonates with reality on a very deep level (we are reality, the universe, so if it resonates with us on a deep level and that translates to prosperity across the system then we are in 'synchronistic order' to use a stochastic or complex system phrase (chaos in math) with the universe.

      it does seem that there is a truth then to this perspective.

      after all, the people who are holding a materialist view SEEM to enjoy the degradation of the outside...for it reflects themselves as an information system and their own self contradiction, while those resonating with information seem to enjoy the upliftment of the outside as they themselves are trying to self actualize and synchronize with the universe.

      it could very well that this is intention and just a passing phase for humanity as we gain an experience and then merge in a super unity which will be better off for these differing two but worthy perspectives.

      August 12, 2012 at 4:59 am |
    • fos

      @rundvelt

      yea, theoretical physics though is basically making stuff up. and then seeing how well it corresponds with observation (supposedly). a priori thinking does not need empirical verification. it only works if you go through the reasoning and also makes sense to you. however, you should not discount rationalism just because some things are not empirically verifiable, remember that mathematical concepts are rationalist in nature although empirically irrelevant. Furthermore, you should not argue their irrelevance because things like quantum mechanics have done more for civilization than most any empirical theory (the integrated circuit) and yet it was a purely mathematical and theoretical exercise. But, it turns out that this IS empirically verifiable, and also, that knowledge or truth is more accurately a prior or mathematical or empirical. even though FACTS for consensus, especially in technical fields, are.

      Given that a priori thought has given us a lot of insight about the nature of reality (kant, decarts, i think therefore i am, etc), and practically has actually been much more relevant due to its implications (kant gave rise to most philosophies currently worshipped by the left in the northeast), and mathematical constructs and ideas such as quantum mechanics has virtually been the cornerstone of every TECHNOLOGICAL development for mankind, not to mention its more refined approach at getting down to what exactly truth is, then i think a priori thinking and math, all of which i could do without putting it out in any paper, is much more relevant to society and as a standard/authority than a peer reviewed study.

      its simply sharing my thoughts, if you need to have everything peer reviewed to verify for yourself if something is true or not then that is the actual problem, as you are deferring your thinking to an outside figure who may or may not know him or herself what true his and is simply doing an empirical exercise, a finite set of data which is only as good as the next best outlier (and can hence be manipulated as well).

      the authority is math and whether it works for you. you make it seem like i just wrote a string theory proof, I'm just sharing my ideas.

      August 13, 2012 at 11:29 am |
  13. forts

    math proof of God

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLp236oAZa8&w=640&h=390]

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pHBp1znWzs&w=640&h=390]

    the kybalion:
    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=videoseries&w=640&h=390]

    August 9, 2012 at 7:18 am |
    • William Demuth

      Oh how the mighty US has fallen.

      Now YouTube is a proof of God? Now we can garner all the wisdom in the world from a cheesy video?

      In truth, it, Facebook and Twitter are nothing more than proof that we expect to little from our children.

      I am fortunate to have lived my life during our period of dominance, but if today's youth don't get it together real soon, I may yet live to see the slow downward spiral that began in the 70's accelerate our nations fall directly into a brick wall.

      Next I am sure we will have college degrees issued to kids who watch videos of a real education on YouTube, and we wonder why we are bordering on national illiteracy.

      August 9, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      William: Just remember this is what the republitards are pushing sadly. Civil unrest is next...may the non-believers prevail. Remember republitards love war and frivolous battles...thinking their imaginary friend will have their back always. Oh well when it crumbles we will welcome you to our humble country...we'll ship all our christards down there and take all of you rational minded here.

      August 9, 2012 at 10:35 am |
    • William Demuth

      Truth

      I often argue about which side would win, but a look at Libya and the like shows the guys with the educations in stuff like chemistry and electronics will play a pivotal role.

      At least here in the states, I doubt those types would be on the Theist team.

      Plus we had round one (US Civil War) where the Northern secularists fought the Southern Christians.

      We know how that one turned out!

      August 9, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • HeavenSent

      William, you may try to rewrite history, but Northerners were Christians not cowardly atheists. Are you atheists going to erase every tomb stone too? LOL.

      August 9, 2012 at 5:18 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Atheists, stirring up the pot again as they sit on the side like Charlie Manson and believe that everyone will war against each other, then they, the atheists will take charge.

      Well morons, Charlie's in jail. Same place you'll be when the law had enough of your antics.

      August 9, 2012 at 5:21 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Why would you imagine that atheists want to 'take over' anything, you twit?

      August 9, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      fort, math proof of God was a real trip.

      August 9, 2012 at 6:06 pm |
    • James

      The entire truth of God's is mathematical. How do you think math came in existence? Scientist have studied the Bible's calculations are awed. They are still working on it.

      August 9, 2012 at 6:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @James

      Have you ever heard of this thing called "logic?"

      August 9, 2012 at 7:01 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      Sorry. Monumental fail. "Nothing" is an entirely mental construct. Nothingness is not observed in this universe, (see "A Universe from Nothing" by Laurence Krauss).

      August 9, 2012 at 8:20 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      The Second Law of Thermodynamics proves that entropy is increasing. Chaos Theory proves, that order arises locally, spontaneously. So, no .... no gods needed.

      August 9, 2012 at 8:24 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Tommie Tom's misery entered the blog because she lost her bar of soap for that mouth.

      August 10, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
    • forts

      lol, no i put math proof of God just to get attention. obviously since reality is tautological you need faith to bridge anything, because nothing can truly be known unless you first believe it.

      However, the rest of your comment is kind of funny

      "math proof of god on youtube now? oh lawds how america the mighty has fallen"

      what ? so where would you like me to post it then? id post it somewhere else if you want. i came to these insights last year and ever more this year.

      it was really life changing because i came to the realization that there is self similarity across all of nature "as, above so below" because the ism or tautology is the same 'bit' unraveling frm the micro into the macro...plants, the human being, its the same universe (becoming self aware of itself i guess). From a linear time perspective it looks more 'complete' as you compare more intelligent animals to those of lower intelligence but in the super unity it all springs from the same ism or tautology. all perspectives are equally mathematically accurate and equal from the perspective of the super unity Or God.

      the statement 'all men are created equal' then starts making sense, if you just go by what many people in the church say it doesn't. any one with basic observation skills will see that people are born with differing abilities and talents, but when you see it from the super unity there is no unfairness as all are REALLY equal because any one ism or I AM is by virtue of the totality.

      the micro unravels across time into the macro in greater complexity (life forms, etc) and across space as all possible rule constructs or universes originate at the singularity and return to it when they 'complete'.

      the singularity being an infinite computation or infinite perspective painting that is unknowable, because it will only reflect the limitation of your own mind (an infinite painting) unless you see it from the totality.

      August 12, 2012 at 3:28 am |
    • fos

      real bucky ball...well thanks, you just made my point.

      there is no real nothing, thats precisely why the universe will be something because there is no default. what are you arguing against in particular? I'm suggesting that the universe did come from a chaos like kraus suggests but I'm saying that this is because we are perceiving from the perspective of linear time. from ma higher perspective everything has an order, randomness also having an order but perceived as random by us, and that the universe ends in an infinite point of complexity that resides at the universes wave function.

      so you seem to be agreeing with me then.

      August 12, 2012 at 6:56 am |
    • fos

      its interesting because something that I came completely a prior is being proven by science today, with people like kraus and the multiple universe or dimensions hypothesis, fluctuations at the big bang, they all seem to converge on something i came up with completely by thought and mathematical concepts. perhaps the world is in fact more accurately modeled with math. quantum mechanics is of course the study of probabilities and mathematica functions of superimposed states and self justifying geometric existence. it seems the universe is more of a mind than anybody would have thought if neils borh and people just thinking can come up with insights that are just being proven by science.

      August 12, 2012 at 6:59 am |
    • fos

      realbuckyball.the second law of thermodynamics can be broken on several occasions in dynamic systems as the system itself increases in order. However, I agree that in most cases when we are talking of closed systems it tends to increase in entropy.

      But that is not to say that this disproves what I am saying. it even corroborates my video, because entropy itself is the very thing used to simulate a higher order and is only entropic from our linear perspective of time. on a perspective where everything happens simultaneously from the big bang until now to the infinite future then infinite entropy and infinite complexity merge into one and by the reverse osmosis of the second law of thermodynamics you would get a point where infinite order and infinite disorder become indistinguishable.

      its precisely why disorder increases that it allows for the order, by chance, to reach a high state of complexity. so i don't know what your point is.

      August 12, 2012 at 7:10 am |
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