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Barton's 'Jefferson Lies' book yanked
David Barton's book attempted to dispel the popular notion that Thomas Jefferson was a secular politician.
August 10th, 2012
05:15 PM ET

Barton's 'Jefferson Lies' book yanked

By Eric Marrapodi and Dan Gilgoff, CNN

(CNN)–A best-selling book is getting boxed up and returned to the publisher after complaints of historical inaccuracies.

Publisher Thomas Nelson has withdrawn 'The Jefferson Lies" after a lengthy review found the author, David Barton, had included "historical details that were not adequately supported," said Brian Hampton, a senior vice president and publisher for Thomas Nelson.

Hampton said the move was "extremely rare" and he could not recall a time in the publisher's history when it had recalled a book in this manner. "We’re disappointed for everyone concerned," Hampton said.

Barton is the founder and president of the Texas-based WallBuilders, a group that describes itself as "dedicated to presenting America's forgotten history and heroes, with an emphasis on the moral, religious and constitutional foundation on which America was built – a foundation which, in recent years, has been seriously attacked and undermined," according to its website.

"The Jefferson Lies: Exposing the Myths You've Always Believed About Thomas Jefferson," was published in April.  In it Barton attempted to dispel the popular notion that Thomas Jefferson was a secular politician who pioneered the idea of strict church-state separation.

It was Barton's first book with Thomas Nelson and was released to great expectations.  By May 13, 2012, the book landed on The New York Times Best-Sellers list.

But even before the book was published, Hampton said Thomas Nelson began receiving complaints.

"First concerns came our way from people who hadn’t read the book," he said.  The publisher thought the complaints were from people on the opposite ideological spectrum from Barton, a conservative political star who has long billed himself as an evangelical historian.

"We still took them seriously and began a review process," Hampton said.  Despite the complaints, the book still went to press.

As Thomas Nelson was conducting its own review, so were academics.

Warren Throckmorton, an associate professor of psychology, and Michael Coulter a political science professor,  both at Grove City College, a conservative Christian school in Pennsylvania, were also conducting their own review.  They published their own e-book that fact checked Barton called "Getting Jefferson Right."

Barton had written off other critics as "liberal elites," but this was a searing attack from within the evangelical community.

Hampton said there was no outside tipping point for the publisher.

“We were monitoring everything that was happening out there,” he said.

He said concerns were expressed about the book from a variety of sources. “What was most compelling to us was engaging with the manuscript.”

“The first thing we did was go back to the book and see what was a matter of opinion or analysis,” Hampton said.

After the internal review of Barton's book, Hampton said, “We became convinced there were parts of the book that were not historically supported.”

“Both withdrawing it from the marketplace and reverting the rights back to him seemed like the best thing for us to do,” he said.

Barton told Bob Smietana, a religion reporter for the Tennessean, a Nashville-based newspaper, “All I got was an e-mail saying it was canceled,” he said. “It was a complete surprise.”

In a statement issued by WallBuilders late Friday night Barton said, “while Thomas Nelson may have ‘lost confidence’ in the work, others have not and thus the book has already been picked up by a much larger national publisher and distributor. Even at the time Nelson dropped the work, they admitted that it was still selling very well.”

A representative for WallBuilders would not name the new publisher, suggesting the details were not final and the final word would come through their website once those details could be worked out.

Barton’s statement pushed back hard against Thomas Nelson’s review of his material.
“As is the case with all of our published items, we go above and beyond with original source documentation so that people can be thoroughly confident when they see the truth of history for themselves,” the statement read.

“We find it regrettable that Thomas Nelson never contacted us with even one specific area of concern before curtly notifying us they had dropped the work. Had they done so, we would have been happy to provide them with the thorough and extensive historical documentation for any question or issue they raised; they never asked,” the statement continuted.

“The Jefferson Lies has not been pulled from publication and it will continue to sell nationally,” it concluded.

The book is still available through Barton’s website. Amazon.com was no longer carrying the book on Friday through its regular processes, instead was directing customers to used booksellers who carried the book.

Barton told the Tennessean he thought some of Throckmorton's critiques were off base.

“This is one of the cases where he is just nuts,” Barton told the Nashville paper.

Barton wears a variety of hats in Republican and conservative circles. He is a former top official in the Texas GOP and a sometimes consultant with the Republican National Committee, a behind-the-scenes political operative who advises presidential candidates and coordinates trips to Israel for the likes of Glenn Beck, and a prolific author, speaker and Washington tour guide on the evangelical circuit.

Beck wrote the forward to 'The Jefferson Lies."

Barton and his work were also featured prominently in former "Growing Pains" star Kirk Cameron’s movie “Monumental,” about the role of religion in American history.

- CNN Belief Blog

Filed under: Belief • Books • Christianity • Church and state • Faith Now

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  2. ebook covers

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  4. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Chad-> 3. Another common variant of this fingers-in-the-ears approach, is to say "well, if God were real, He would be measurable and testable", since He isnt, science cant discuss it.

    If God interacts with the natural world (I think that's what you mean when you say he is real with respect to the natural world) then when he does so there should, in principle, be evidence that he does so – measurable and testable. If God leaves no trace then he has not interacted with the natural world. We reasonably expect evidence to support claims about the natural world and you haven't shown evidence that God interacts with the natural world. That limits the discussion.

    If God is entirely supernatural, has only parts that exist outside of the natural world and doesn't interact with it, then we can't reasonably expect evidence for God and then it's legitimate for you to believe in God without evidence if that's what you want. Which is to say you can play in your own backyard Chad.

    August 15, 2012 at 5:49 pm |
    • Joshua

      Well Mr.Tom Tom Explain To Me How You Can Measure and Test Your "Big Bang Theory" Correctly Without Making Anything Up From Just A Thumbone Or Out Of Thin Air? Not Only That But According To Science Matter Can Not Be Created Or Destroyed And That Is A Prooven Fact. But, Yet We Have Transcripts To Proove The Bible And Tell Me How And Why It Has Never Been Prooven Wrong And Yet You Have To Proove It Wrong When People That Beleive In "Science" Do It For Us. So Tell Me, Mr.Tom Tom, How You Could Beleive Something As That If You Have To Make Up Things To "Proove It" Its Like Arguing With Your Friend About If Unicorns Existed If They Would Fly. XD

      January 15, 2013 at 12:03 am |
  5. TOOL Tom

    I wish you could say something better than a parrot does, Tomi. BUT...gadako lang nang kalimutaw nimo, naapay imong ilong galisngag lang murag palwang gakulob!

    And your head was meant to be there just to grow some hair while your brain serves as fertilizer. UTOK PARA BUHOK! LOLLOLOLLOL!!

    No one amuses me like you do, Tomi. A milion thanks for the good laugh!

    August 15, 2012 at 12:06 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oh, you're most welcome. Glad I could help you practice your English.

      Let me know when you actually learn to write it.

      BTW, darling, it's TOMMY, not Tomi or TOMY.

      Go home and practice.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:11 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      당신은 머리의 상자 바보입니다.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:17 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      你媽媽吸馬匹的鞭。

      August 15, 2012 at 12:19 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      UTOK PARA BUHOK! LOLLOLOLLOL!!

      Yo momma.

      August 15, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • TOOL Tom

      Spell checking, also in (shortening of) monikers? Awesome! PAGKA ALOH nga dako! LOL! Hoi hanggaw syodi magbuot kay wa ka kaabrod! LOL! Que horror el hombre gayo.
      So, 1+1=_?
      You never ceased to amuse me, TOMI!

      August 15, 2012 at 5:04 am |
    • TOOL Tom

      Yo momma ka dyan!

      NGANGA! LOL!

      August 15, 2012 at 5:07 am |
  6. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things .

    August 13, 2012 at 7:16 pm |
    • kindless

      oh my no, dear. you still foolin yourself? atheism is wonderful for kids – gets them away from all that make-believe stuff. They'll be productive and contribute to society much more quickly if all their time is not sucked up into religious mumbo jumbo. You need to get some tea and a good newspaper and start learning a few things, dear!

      August 13, 2012 at 9:31 pm |
    • Atheism is healthy for all living things

      One post. You've only got one post.

      August 14, 2012 at 2:08 am |
    • truth be told

      atheism kills and corrupts all it touches. Not my idea of healthy but then again if the adherent was a free thinking person with intelligence they would not think they were an atheist.

      August 14, 2012 at 6:11 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      But you approve of abortion, TBT! As long as your god is the one doing it, right?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:39 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! `

      August 14, 2012 at 10:31 am |
  7. here's what

    For years liberals have adopted and defined Thomas Jefferson to promote their agendas. Attacks against the book, “The Jefferson Lies” that redefine the straw man liberals have fed to us for years come as no surprise. If the liberal definition of who Jefferson is is found to be faulty, it follows the foundation stones of much of the liberal political and social agendas are turned into sinking sand.

    August 13, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @here's what.

      who are these liberals of whom you speak? Barton's literary critics are all professors from Christian Colleges.

      Hardly hot beds of lefty liberal atheism. Barton is a smarmy snake-oil salesman, and got (figuratively) caught with his pants down telling lies.

      August 13, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • Veritas

      The first clue that it was full of lies – written by David Barton. Say no more.

      August 14, 2012 at 2:10 am |
    • HeavenSent

      http://www.christianwritingtoday.com/2010/06/thomas-nelson-hands-over-controlling-interest-to-secular-investment-firm/

      Controlling Interest to Secular Investment Firm
      by Donald L. Hughes on 06/16/2010

      Thomas Nelson joins these distinguished companies which have also been acquired by Kohlberg & Company.
      Private investment firm Kohlberg & Company has bought a majority stake in Nashville-based Thomas Nelson Publishers.
      Thomas Nelson has gone the way of Zondervan, another prominent Christian publisher. They were purchased by NewsCorp who also owns 20th Century Fox Films, Fox Television, HaperCollins Books, the Wall Street Journal, MySpace.com and many other media properties around the world.

      According to the Kohlberg web site, “Kohlberg & Company invests in companies where it can work in partnership with senior management to identify growth opportunities and implement fundamental operating and strategic changes, resulting in substantial increases in revenue and cash flow.”

      It is unknown at this time whether or not distinctively Christian books will fit into the strategic changes envisioned by Kohlberg & Company, or if they will seek to dilute the book list with topics showing greater religious diversity which they feel could result in greater profits.

      James A. Kohlberg is the Chairman of Kohlberg & Company. He is also on the Board of Directors of the New York Times in which his company holds a minority stake.

      “We are very excited about what this means for Thomas Nelson’s future in the rapidly evolving publishing industry,” Hyatt said in a news release.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:28 am |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @heavenSent,

      thanks for the useful post. If your point is to suggest that the acquisition of Thomas Nelson is not conincidental with the withdrawal of the book, I'm inclined to agree. It would explain a lot.

      Perhaps the new publishers are indeed more ethical than Thomas Nelson apparently was.

      Your quote bemoans the acquisition of Zondervan, (another prominent Christian publisher) by NewsCorp. Given that NewsCorp is also the corporate parent of FoxNews, I'm not sure what the author was worried about in terms of maintaining ideological 'purity'.

      August 14, 2012 at 11:14 am |
    • HeavenSent

      I'm not a GOPer, I was thinking the same. Makes perfect sense to me knowing this buyout occurred.

      August 14, 2012 at 8:06 pm |
  8. Suzanne

    What fascinates me is the number of people on both sides of the equation holding fast to their beliefs and not budging. If either side really thinks they are going to change the other side's minds you are wrong. People believe what they want to believe regardless of how ludicrous it is. That's what makes the world go 'round. I am not a christian because frankly I don't believe in a "god" sitting in the sky playing puppet master. However, I do believe Jesus was on this planet and was a servant to the people and his message was love your neighbor. He didn't say "love your neighbor only if he/she is another follower of mine, looks like me etc. He said to love your neighbor PERIOD. All that is going on here is a bunch of babbling of two sides of people not hearing the arguments presented.

    August 13, 2012 at 6:36 pm |
    • Veritas

      David Barton is a history consultant for the Texas State Board of Education. So absolutely no credibility outside of the evangelical right.

      August 14, 2012 at 2:13 am |
    • Jake-413451

      Actaully no their mytchical Christ did not say that "period" he said it within a much greater context, and part of that context is the musings he made while wearing his god the father hat.

      Being a trinty means he said all thsoe genocidal kill the babies stuff inthe old testament too.

      Some of us do hear the arguments being presented by the other side. But they are incomplete as they lack evidence. For instance: Jesus was real is a positive assertion. The onus is on the one making the assertion to prove it. Those who don't assert that he existed have no requirement to prove he didn't.

      Just like when someone asserts that Thomas Jefferson believed X, Y, or Z. The onus is on them to prove it. Not anyone else to disprove it.

      August 15, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  9. No fool

    I meant "too effeminate" of course.

    August 13, 2012 at 5:47 pm |
  10. No fool

    The myth of original sin is used every day in what a perceptive author designates as "the guilt-addled West" to manipulate and eventually subjugate us. Its main wielders are the bulk of Christian churches and Islam. We Westerners are not perfect but we have done far less harm than did our accusers. And we have tried, often succeeding such as in the cas of abolition of slavery, to do far more good. Let's note and never forget that, when Islam decided to secede from Christendom which was "to effeminate" for their taste, they kept Hell, the Devil, some Archangels and even the Virgin Mary. But they discarded our old myth of original sin. Not for them the constant urge to penance, the whole guilt trip and "redemption!" They weren't that dumb!

    August 13, 2012 at 5:38 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Guilt is a concept of those that are stuck in carnal mode. Once Jesus' truth is learned and comprehended, righteous thinking, doing, outcomes comes naturally. His truth sets us free.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:33 am |
  11. Reality

    Hmmmm???????

    WallBuilders' founder and president, David Barton, resides in Aledo, Texas (just west of Fort Worth), with his wife, Cheryl, and their three children. David spent eight years as an educator and school administrator before founding WallBuilders. "

    So how did he become a scholar in US history and religion? Anybody know?

    And let us review MR. Barton's finances as per guidestar.org (See Wallbuilders).

    Salary: he pays himself = $108,049 (he, his wife and his mother make up 50% of the board of directors),

    Then there are those other unspecified salaries of $288,872 (his mother and wife?),

    He billed Wallbuilders travel expenses of $67,000 in 2009.

    And then there is the securities portfolio of $1,149,239 where he/Wallbuilder pays no tax on interest, dividends or capital gains because Wallbuiders is a "non-profit".

    August 13, 2012 at 4:23 pm |
    • ....

      BULL SH IT ALERT !!

      August 13, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      something tells me the bullsh it alert is where the bullsh it is.

      August 13, 2012 at 8:28 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      I'll post this again just for you Reality.

      Controlling Interest to Secular Investment Firm
      by Donald L. Hughes on 06/16/2010

      Thomas Nelson joins these distinguished companies which have also been acquired by Kohlberg & Company.
      Private investment firm Kohlberg & Company has bought a majority stake in Nashville-based Thomas Nelson Publishers.

      Thomas Nelson has gone the way of Zondervan, another prominent Christian publisher. They were purchased by NewsCorp who also owns 20th Century Fox Films, Fox Television, HaperCollins Books, the Wall Street Journal, MySpace.com and many other media properties around the world.

      According to the Kohlberg web site, “Kohlberg & Company invests in companies where it can work in partnership with senior management to identify growth opportunities and implement fundamental operating and strategic changes, resulting in substantial increases in revenue and cash flow.”

      It is unknown at this time whether or not distinctively Christian books will fit into the strategic changes envisioned by Kohlberg & Company, or if they will seek to dilute the book list with topics showing greater religious diversity which they feel could result in greater profits.

      James A. Kohlberg is the Chairman of Kohlberg & Company. He is also on the Board of Directors of the New York Times in which his company holds a minority stake.

      “We are very excited about what this means for Thomas Nelson’s future in the rapidly evolving publishing industry,” Hyatt said in a news release.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:35 am |
  12. Moishe

    Beck wrote the Forward eh.

    August 13, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
  13. jimmer

    "Barton and his work were also featured prominently in former "Growing Pains" star Kirk Cameron’s movie “Monumental,” about the role of religion in American history."

    That alone should discredit anything this clown ever does again.

    August 13, 2012 at 2:19 pm |
  14. scientificpoetry

    This guy sounds like he took a nod from 1984... rewrite history if it doesn't suit your point of view...

    August 13, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      Barton's worldview is jihad against the doctrine of separation.

      August 13, 2012 at 10:31 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      It's you nonbelievers that are rewriting history.

      Controlling Interest to Secular Investment Firm
      by Donald L. Hughes on 06/16/2010

      Thomas Nelson joins these distinguished companies which have also been acquired by Kohlberg & Company.
      Private investment firm Kohlberg & Company has bought a majority stake in Nashville-based Thomas Nelson Publishers.
      Thomas Nelson has gone the way of Zondervan, another prominent Christian publisher. They were purchased by NewsCorp who also owns 20th Century Fox Films, Fox Television, HaperCollins Books, the Wall Street Journal, MySpace.com and many other media properties around the world.

      According to the Kohlberg web site, “Kohlberg & Company invests in companies where it can work in partnership with senior management to identify growth opportunities and implement fundamental operating and strategic changes, resulting in substantial increases in revenue and cash flow.”

      It is unknown at this time whether or not distinctively Christian books will fit into the strategic changes envisioned by Kohlberg & Company, or if they will seek to dilute the book list with topics showing greater religious diversity which they feel could result in greater profits.

      James A. Kohlberg is the Chairman of Kohlberg & Company. He is also on the Board of Directors of the New York Times in which his company holds a minority stake.

      “We are very excited about what this means for Thomas Nelson’s future in the rapidly evolving publishing industry,” Hyatt said in a news release.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:37 am |
    • Tina

      HeavenSentJustSayinUnhealthy, does your Jesus wear a thong?

      August 14, 2012 at 9:56 am |
  15. allynom

    Jefferson was enough of a hypocrite that it shouldn't matter if he was religious–in fact, those who want to promote him as an example of the religiosity of the founding fathers should think twice. He was a very complex man: but he kept slaves, despite his writing about all men being created equal. He could have emancipated them, but didn't. He had a slave mistress, Sally Hemmings, and had children with her (absolutely proven by the DNA of their descendants) whom he never acknowledged. Jefferson may be thanked for his indispensable contribution to the founding of this country, but I'm not sure the religious right really wants to identify with someone like this.

    August 13, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • hinduism, denial of truth

      Thomas Jefferson believed in fundamentals of truth absolute and lived by fundamentals of truth absolute human equality, rest of it is hinduthism, racism of his hindu, denier of truth absolute family, Christians of his.

      August 13, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • Mike

      You need to both do a little more research on Jefferson, whom I've read many books on and written research papers on, as well as be a little more understanding of the time in which he lived.
      Jefferson's slaves were part of his estate. Jefferson was beyond bankrupt near the end of his life and in debt for the better part of it. He didn't have the authority to release his slaves when he had creditors who would hound him if he had.
      Also, most slaves were treated very poorly in that time. In most all cases this was not the situation at Monticello. In fact, when Jefferson returned from his duties in France his slaves cheered his homecoming and welcomed him with open arms.
      While I will agree that his ownership of slaves at all, which went back a few generations, was wrong, we often use today's morals to judge others from a previous era.
      This is not only fair but historically inaccurate.
      Yes, Jefferson had a lengthy affair with Sally Hemmings. Yes, he fathered children with her. But to say he did not acknowlege that is also historically inaccurate.
      He knowingly allowed some of the Hemmings children to run away without being chased after (every single slave holder in that time would have hunted and hanged a slave for such an offense). He gave Hemmings children special jobs at Monticello that prepared them for life after slavery. He taught them trades and treated as not just a slave, but a hired hand, even thought they were not paid.
      He wasn't perfect. But for his time Jefferson was one of the most compassionate people of his time considering his upbringing, status, and location.

      August 13, 2012 at 2:23 pm |
    • Mike

      I meant to say:

      "This is not only "un"fair but historically inaccurate."

      August 13, 2012 at 2:25 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      Mike, Slavery was wrong then (Jefferson's time) earlier (Biblical Times) and Now. There is no justification for it, it is always wrong to "own" another human being.....

      As for Sally Hemmings his slave, I'd call it Ra-pe, what would you call it? (Consider: it was ra-pe because the slave had no choice, she could not say no or yes, she had no rights, no even to her own person, it doesn't matter if she was 10 or 50 ra-pe is ra-pe).

      NOTE: that's why it is a crime for prison guards to have se-x with prisoners.

      August 13, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Thomas Jefferson gave ever lasting gift of human equality to America, a gift from our creator and denied by religions, based not on truth absolute but hinduism, racism,

      August 13, 2012 at 5:43 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @allynom,

      you say: despite his writing about all men being created equal.

      but Jefferson didn't actually write this. He 'borrowed' it from George Mason in the Virginia Declaration of Rights (written a short time before the Declaration of Independence.)

      I. That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.

      There is no doubt that this is the beginning of the preamble for the Declaration of Independence.

      The timeline is:
      VDR: Drafted Ca May 20, 1776
      DOI: Committee of five asssigned: June 11, 1776
      VDR: Adopted in Virginia: June 12, 1776
      DOI: First draft presented to Congress: June 28, 1776

      After the committee was done with it, this is what was presented to Congress:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, & the pursuit of happiness;

      Jefferson never "wrote" the preamble to the Declaration of Independence. Along with John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Robert R. Livingston and Roger Sherman, he edited it, starting with George Mason's work.

      August 13, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @allynom,

      in case you are interested, Jefferson's version, before the committee got at it was as follows:

      We hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable; that all men are created equal and independent; that from that equal creation they derive in rights inherent and inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, and liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;

      Note that there is no mention here of the "Creator" by the Deist Jefferson.

      August 13, 2012 at 9:35 pm |
    • Bob

      It was due to his mistress and children by her that he wrote his own bible. The man definitely had problems when he turned his back on the Lord.

      August 13, 2012 at 10:35 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Bob,

      we're so glad you concur that Thomas Jefferson was not the orthodox evangelical protestant that Mr. Barton contends he was.

      August 13, 2012 at 11:21 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      Not so fast GOP.

      It comes down to what else in today's world? Money, money, money ...

      Controlling Interest to Secular Investment Firm
      by Donald L. Hughes on 06/16/2010

      Thomas Nelson joins these distinguished companies which have also been acquired by Kohlberg & Company.
      Private investment firm Kohlberg & Company has bought a majority stake in Nashville-based Thomas Nelson Publishers.
      Thomas Nelson has gone the way of Zondervan, another prominent Christian publisher. They were purchased by NewsCorp who also owns 20th Century Fox Films, Fox Television, HaperCollins Books, the Wall Street Journal, MySpace.com and many other media properties around the world.

      According to the Kohlberg web site, “Kohlberg & Company invests in companies where it can work in partnership with senior management to identify growth opportunities and implement fundamental operating and strategic changes, resulting in substantial increases in revenue and cash flow.”

      It is unknown at this time whether or not distinctively Christian books will fit into the strategic changes envisioned by Kohlberg & Company, or if they will seek to dilute the book list with topics showing greater religious diversity which they feel could result in greater profits.

      James A. Kohlberg is the Chairman of Kohlberg & Company. He is also on the Board of Directors of the New York Times in which his company holds a minority stake.

      “We are very excited about what this means for Thomas Nelson’s future in the rapidly evolving publishing industry,” Hyatt said in a news release.

      August 14, 2012 at 9:40 am |
  16. 111Dave111

    Mormon God is a Space Alien, LOL
    Mormons Baptize Dead People, L&LOL
    Mormon Religion, Big Money, Big Bigotry. L&L&LOL
    Mormon man in white underwear, a reference to special Mormon garments. L&L&L&LOL

    August 13, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
  17. Alongtheway

    We have a difficult enough time proving (even with witnesses) beyond the shadow of a doubt in courts what a person is guilty (or not guilty) of...last week, last month, last year. I find it even harder to believe that we can simply say EXACTLY what someone was doing, believed, etc. hundreds of years ago - let alone thousands. Millions and millions of people take the christian bible on faith as fact. Archiologists say that when they find items "this is what this person did for a living and that's why we find these things in their homes/dwellings...". One could do the same excavation on my house and say "the person that lived here had terrible eye sight due to the glasses found... etc etc", but a neighbor...or a friend could have stopped by and left them. Bleh. Speculation, bologny and a whole bunch of other things. Believe what you want – but don't shove it down someone else's throats.

    August 13, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
  18. Confused face

    I wish that Christopher Hitchens, an expert on Jefferson, was still around to eviscerate this pseudo-intellectual disgusting charlatan.

    Religiosity recedes as intelligence advances.

    August 13, 2012 at 11:54 am |
  19. JohnQuest

    Chad, Please explain what a "evolutionary Theist" is, and one could believe is evolution and be a Christian?

    Seems to me that the foundation of Christianity is that God sent Jesus (himself actually) to earth to serve a a sacrificial lamb, to die for the sins of man because all people are born into sin. To wit that, all people are born into sin because of what the first man and women did to get them kicked out of the garden.

    If you believe in evolution, then there was no garden nor a first man or women that disobeyed God, (no original sin). I submit, if there is no original sin then how or why would God send Jesus to die because people committed an original sin?

    Without Adam and Eve the foundation of Christianity breaks down at it's core. If you do not agree please explain?

    August 13, 2012 at 10:19 am |
    • TC

      No one is required to belive in "original sin" to be a Christian.

      A Christian must love and forgive others as God has loved and forgiven them. They must love God. They must accept Jesus as their PERSONAL savior, who died for THEIR sins.

      That's it.

      A literal belief of the hebrew creation myth is not required.

      August 13, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • JohnQuest

      TC, thanks for your reply. However, for that to work you have to believe that people are NOT born into Sin (we are born sinless) but commit sins as we grow up. I think that would undermined the Christian Foundation, would it not?

      August 13, 2012 at 2:54 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Is your name Jesus, hindu, ignorant ? A follower follows his leader with heart and mind, not to hind, lie on leader's name. As you hind, absurd.

      August 13, 2012 at 5:48 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      No one is accountable for generations of the past, nor they are responsible for our generation, hinduism, absurdity of borne in sin is of hindu;s, criminals to justify their hinduism, denial of truth absolute.

      August 13, 2012 at 5:53 pm |
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