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Magic underwear, people rising from the dead, its beyond illogical.that people think any religion is the "truth". And then there is the whole guilt trippy god. The older I get the more I'm blown away that this drivel drives society and social agenda. There is so much more that deserves man's attention. What a waste.
Discordia, you make me shake my head over your lack of education how our country was founded. Our first president of the USA disagrees with you. You need to finally get an education by reading George Washington's Farewell Address:
Funny how knowledge and reason works isn't it. We are not limited to blind allegiance to what someone in the past thinks. Admittedly religious people have a little problem understanding that.
Good thing too given the history of Christians and some of the rules from their bible about slavery and God ordered child murder.
@HeavenSent – Really? You are aware our country was not found on religious beliefs. Nice wikipedia citing, though. Take a read on the Treaty of Tripoli first. Have your "blind faith." I'll take facts and science all day. I honestly feel bad for you.
I agree 100%.
This religion is even more ridiculous than most, and that's hard to accomplish.
Please be more tolerant people. Many of you have friends, family members, and neighbors who are Mormons.
Why should we be "tolerant"? These are adults with imaginary friends. "Tolerance" by definition is asking us to put up with them and at the same time condescend them. I say we just ridicule and condescend them, and not put up with them. At least that way we'll be more honest with ourselves.
Just photo-ops for votes:
The real nitty-gritty of this election:
Why the Christian Right no longer matters in presidential elections:
Once again, all the conservative votes in the country "ain't" going to help a "pro-life" presidential candidate, i.e Mitt Romney, in 2012 as the "Immoral Majority" rules the country and will be doing so for awhile. The "Immoral Majority" you ask?
The fastest growing USA voting bloc: In 2008, the 70+ million "Roe vs. Wade mothers and fathers" of aborted womb-babies" whose ranks grow by two million per year i.e. 78+ million "IM" voters in 2012.
2008 Presidential popular vote results:
69,456,897 for pro-abortion/choice BO, 59,934,814 for "pro-life" JM.
And the irony:
And all because many women fail to take the Pill once a day or men fail to use a condom even though in most cases these men have them in their pockets. (maybe they should be called the "Stupid Majority"?)
The failures of the widely used birth "control" methods i.e. the Pill and male condom have led to the large rate of abortions ( one million/yr) and S-TDs (19 million/yr) in the USA. Men and women must either recognize their responsibilities by using the Pill or condoms properly and/or use other safer birth control methods in order to reduce the epidemics of abortion and S-TDs.
Christians Right or Left will always matter RealityNot. It's you atheists that are the traitors of our country.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you too RealityNot You need to get a real education than listening to your atheists cronies and teachers by reading the truth in George Washington's Farewell Address:
HeavenlySent: Atheists are traitors?
I can't even begin to describe your level of willful ignorance and stupidity.
Please, YOU need an education!
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Bottom line: Romney is Mormon because he was born Mormon. Should we hold this against him? After all, BO also believes in "pretty/ugly wingie thingies, bodily resurrections and atonement mumbo jumbo. (Ditto for Ryan and Biden.)
One should be voting based on rational thinking. Believing in angels, satans, bodily resurrections, atonement, and heavens of all kinds is irrational.
Apparently, BO, JB, MR and PR have been severely brainwashed in their theologically and historically flawed Christianity and they are too weak to escape its felonious grip.
Time we have some candidates not saddled with idol supersti-tions.
Wrong, because their religion influences their political decisions.
This is worth repeating over the nonsense you constantly post RealityNot.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you. Time for truth RealityNot. George Washington's Farewell Address:
I'll wait for you and your multiple handles to gang up on me again for writing truth against your lies while changing handles. LOL.
Since you seemingly know nothing but to spam the same comment over and over I think this will fall on deaf ears. But we must try to reach even the most ardently ignorant.
Just because someone says it does not make it so.
Admittedly that might be a bit hard for an unrepentant believer of a fairy tale to understand, but it is true nonetheless.
The question for today is : can god make a di'ldo so big, he cannot stick it up his own a'ss ?
I have watched several people become religious. It usually starts in their youth, when their parents force them to go to church, mosque, synagogue, temple, etc. and be force-fed dogma that was contrived thousands of years ago by supersti-tious, stone age nomads who had no inkling of science, logic, reason, or by self-serving, power-hungry tribal leaders who needed a way to guilt-trip their local citizenry into following orders OR ELSE!
Right. I have watched several people become christards. It starts in their youth. They get involved with church and hate it. Then when parents and leaders tell them they need to obey, they become combative and rebellious. They deny God because if they intuitively know it is a lie, they will have to give up their intelligence and freedom. We all must begin with education. You must begin with education on everything. If an engineer builds a bridge, he must rely on science until the bridge is finished. Likewise, if you want to know God, you must exercise ignorance as you seek him out. You are in the wrong way. Just press ahead and you will find that "well springing up into eternal nonsense" spoken of in John 4:14.
As a society we lived without God, and was a very escare experience, USSR during Stalin where 50.000.000 were kiled, societies without God tend to be less free, like North korea, China and Cuba. If you enyoy the fredom to think, it is consecuence of the fredom of religion, the first step to our cotemporary democrasy, it is history ¡
Your welcome to believe any myth you want. Don't force it into American social policy or use it to deny a groups rights. That's real freedom.
@Sergio Roa Prado
Those are dictatorships sparky!~
Without religion we will not want to kill each other over who has the true myth. Dig a grave for organized religion.
Oh the morons, cough, atheists posting their lies again.
Trying learning truth, it does a body good.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you atheists. You need to get a real education than listening to the liars in this world.
Here's truth in George Washington's Farewell Address:
HeavenSent: You're just an idiot that keeps spamming the same old useless link.
It doesn't matter who was religious or who wasn't.
What matters is what science can show.
There is no evidence for your gods, so to be logical we must dismiss them.
Reality is good – try to live in it sometime.
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Tuvia, you are a complete moron. You cannot click on text. If you want to insert a hyperlink then learn how. Otherwise take amateur hour somewhere else. How many times are you going to prove your lack of intelligence in one day?
Good grief, now your using handles closely matching mine. You atheists really need to get a life. I know those lies have bogged you down.
Good news. Here's George Washington's truth he wrote in his farewell address to the nation. You know, George Washington, the USA's first president!
Republicans must be terribly out of their minds this election year as the only do-uche the D.C. Machine allows them to vote for is a Moron who is so out of touch with reality! Ask yourselves, would you vote for someone who professed belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No? Then what's the difference with Mormoni-sm? Why would you trust someone so delusional to run this country? Pathetic MORONS! (And by delusional, of course I am referring to all religions, but Mormoni-sm, like Scientology, is considerably more delusional as it was only just made up recently!)
It does not matter when they were invented, they all serve the same evil purpose. Religion is, for lack of a better term, evil. I prefor wrong. VERY wrong.
HS: I agree totally that ALL religions are EVIL and full of $H|+! I am just trying to offer a thread of reason for some lost believer to grasp onto. Peace! :)
Don't give them anything. That is the whole problem. We must stop giving the stupid any power at all. Enough!
HeavenSense has no sense. He also needs to get a life and stop stalking me by using a handle closely matching mine. He also needs to learn the truth how Jesus Christs is the cornerstone of our country.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you too senseless. Here's the start to a true education when you read George Washington's Farewell Address:
I have watched several people become atheists. It starts in their youth. They get involved with sin and like it. Then when parents and leaders tell them they need to quit, they become combative and rebellious. They deny God because if they admit God exists, they will have to give up their sins and they love their sins more than God. We all must begin with faith. You must begin with faith on everything. If an engineer builds a bridge, he must rely on faith until the bridge is finished. Likewise, if you want to know God, you must exercise faith as you seek him out. You are in the right way. Just press ahead and you will find that "well springing up into eternal life" spoken of in John 4:14.
What an amazing superpower you have to be able to know what happened in every atheists life to lead to their atheism and it just all happens to be the same. Unless of course your just parroting standard rhetoric from your preacher. I think the second one is probably more likely.
NO! If an engineer builds a bridge, he uses SCIENCE and ADVANCED MATHEMATICS to tell him that he or she cannot apply various stresses to the structure until it is finished, as it will, as predicted, not be at its full load capacity UNTIL it is finished! DOLT!
he or she uses SCIENCE and ..... obviously to match the rest of the sentence!
They get involved with sin and like it. etc. This is pure BS. I don't think you know very many atheists.
If an engineer builds a bridge, he must rely on faith until the bridge is finished.
Nonsense. Civil engineers are well acquainted with a concept called gravity which is very mathmatically predictable, not to mention shear force/bending moments, live loads, dead loads, compressive strength, tensile strength etc etc. There's not a single equation where a value for "faith" gets plugged in. In fact civil engineers traditionally have so little 'faith' that "round up and double it" was a maxium they used to make sure they didn't accidentally under-design anything. (Today that's too expensive so they have to double check their math more.)
1. I have watched several people become christards. It starts in their youth. They get involved with church and hate it. Then when parents and leaders tell them they need to obey, they become combative and rebellious. They deny God because if they intuitively know it is a lie, they will have to give up their intelligence and freedom. We all must begin with education. You must begin with education on everything. If an engineer builds a bridge, he must rely on science until the bridge is finished. Likewise, if you want to know God, you must exercise ignorance as you seek him out. You are in the wrong way. Just press ahead and you will find that "well springing up into eternal nonsense" spoken of in John 4:14.
Not me or any atheists I know. But it does sound like the perfect Christian fantasy.
I just love it. You atheists are so vain. You think you own science, don't you? don't you? don't you? Through history you had practically nothing to do with it and now the more you get involved the more backward we go. You ruin everything you touch. This country is slowing down technologically and it is because of you. Very soon we will be a third world country – because of you.
Let's see your "God" turn me into a bridge. Can't? Won't? Pffft!
Any christo-fascist idiot claiming that non-believers had nothing to do with science need only remind him/herself that MONEY pays the bills! Gee, Wally, if it was not fashionable to deny "god" in the old days when christo-fascism was much more prevalent in Europe, then how would a scientist have eaten? Oh yeah! One would have to play along with the powers that were.....you know, those that had all the fvkkin money! The Church!
@menses (Latin for period)
Through history you had practically nothing to do with it.
What history are you talking about. There's not a lot of 'atheist' history that I'm aware of that didn't involve execution for the heresy of unbelief.
I bet you miss the 'good ol' days'.
"I have watched several people become atheists. It starts in their youth. They get involved with sin and like it. Then when parents and leaders tell them they need to quit, they become combative and rebellious. They deny God because if they admit God exists, they will have to give up their sins and they love their sins more than God."
Actually, my mother didn't raise me in ANY religion, I have never gone to church. I've never prayed, never cared to! Never rebelled against God! Why? Because I didn't EVER think there was one! Even if I presuppose there to be a God, why your God? Your bible is filled with filth and disgusting ways to treat humans. Your God killed every living human (save seven), even little babies and unborn babies. Your God killed the first born of every Egyptian family, just because they were born first. Your God treats me as if I were born defective and need his sacrifice to be saved, yet He was the one who made me born defective. In your religion I have to be punished for what an ederly relative did in a magical garden with a talking snake. Your God and your Devil even state that you would know right from wrong, but you don't even recognise the aforementioned as wrong and believe it to be right and all part of some magical "plan". So, no, I'm not rebelling against your God because I enjoy sin, your God just doesn't exist, period, end of story, and I'm not sinning, I'm just a human.
Thanks Spot. Then these bad behaved atheists walk among us in society. We then become, their babysitters because they refuse to grow up.
@. I see that your lack of education and erduition have come to the surface.
Nah. There's got to be a stronger word for alert that this stuff needs. B S is far too mild to describe this nonsense.
Chewbacca is my personal savior, I have magical underpants and I am a necr-ophiliac who gets off baptizing the dead! I deserve to be PRESIDENT!!! Oh, did I mention that my family moved to Mexico like a bunch of FVKKIN traitors!?!?
You win tonight's rad post award. Congrats dude!
George Washington called you traitors to our nation.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you too Leave a Reply. You need to get a true education than listening to your atheists cronies and teachers by reading George Washington's Farewell Address:
I cannot believe that two adult men would sit and talk about Jeebus coming to America.
We are the laughing-stock of the world.
Actually you can see the Apostle guy start to laugh.
What utter nonsense.
And when the Lord said, "16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. (New Testament, John, Chapter 10) did you think that was crap? Do you think everything the Lord said was crap?
I don't think you should bother to pray. I don't the Lord would listen to someone who thinks his words are crap.
You do know why shepherds tend their flocks so carefully, don't you?
- To profit from their wool, skins, and meat.
Whoever thought up that analogy was pretty silly.
Well, obviously you are an atheist. I don't think atheists know anything about anything.
No. When Jeebus said the world would end in his generation, he probably meant it. It didn't happen. From then on, it was crap. Jeebus is dead. The world did not end. Give it up. Move on. And yes, for humans in 2012 to talk about a dead guy from 2000 years ago, is total crap.
What's the matter stop this crap, you don't know how to join in the conversation? Wisdom is over your head?
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you stop this. Time to start your true education of how our country was founded by George Washington's Farewell Address to the nation:
Mitt Romney is out of touch with the poor!
When I was a kid, we had to walk 80 miles to school every morning and 80 miles back. Both uphill carrying stone tablets because we couldn’t afford paper. Then it was time for chores, like plowing the North 40.
We got up before we went to bed and had to sleep in a cardboard box in the middle of the street and hunt squirrels for our meals with a sling shot. And you know what? We LIKED it. We LOVED it.
We didn’t even have shoes! It was really bad in the winter. The snow was 30 feet deep. I lost one toe to frost-bite every winter for ten years. I had to wear my older sister's hand-me-down dresses because my Mother's arthritis was so bad she could not sew any boys’ clothes. That is why I had to fight the class bully every day.
Sometimes when there were no squirrels, we had to eat rocks for dinner. That was very difficult with no teeth (from the fights with the bully). And you know what? I liked it! I loved it! I was lucky to have it.
The worst part was every night after walking 160 miles, plowing forty acres, chopping the fire wood and eating rocks that made my gums bleed. My parents would come out to the box where my sister and I slept in the middle of the road and jump up and down on top of us screaming "Die!" "Die" "Die" with a necklace made out of my dead toes swinging from my mother’s neck. And you know what. We liked it. We loved it. We were lucky to have it so good.
Bless you child.
Senseless is pathetic. Stalks me all over this blog. Uses multiple handles to beat me down to refuse me c i v i l and c ons ti tut ion al r ights. Now he's using a handle close in name to mine to post his nonsense and lies
Did I say pathetic? I should mention lack of imagination too.
They are 'stalking' you, yet you are the one replying to them?
yes the school system is crap why not make middle school finding your career then high school becoming and intern we all know you waste your time in school. I would think if a child was home schooled you could teach them everything the junk school system could in half the time or less. Jobs are about experience not education then if u get too experienced they hire someone with a lower idea of pay.
The philosophy uses the following :
1. "God is, or He is not"
2. A Game is being played... where heads or tails will turn up.
3. According to reason, you can defend neither of the propositions.
4. You must wager. It is not optional.
5. Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing.
6. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is. (...) There is here an infinity of an infinitely happy life to gain, a chance of gain against a finite number of chances of loss, and what you stake is finite. And so our proposition is of infinite force, when there is the finite to stake in a game where there are equal risks of gain and of loss, and the infinite to gain.
Reversing the wager
One way to counter the wager is to replace Pascal's Judeo-Christian God with a hypothetical god that eternally punishes those whose lives are governed by irrational beliefs. This action effectively flips the four paradigms of the wager on their heads. To avoid confusion, the hypothetical deity will be referred to here as Ral:
1. If you believe in God and Ral does exist, you will be condemned to remain in hell forever; thus an infinite loss.
2. If you do not believe in God and Ral does exist, you will be rewarded with eternal life in heaven; thus an infinite gain.
3. If you believe in God and Ral does not exist, you will not be rewarded; thus a finite loss.
4. If you do not believe in God and Ral does not exist, you will not be rewarded, but you have lived your own life; thus a finite gain.
This theoretical belief system, which is just as empirically provable as the belief system underlying Pascal's wager, presents a win/win scenario for atheists and a lose/lose scenario for those who believe in God. Since the two contrasting ideas of a specific god are logically equivalent in likelihood, atheism is shown to have the greatest potential for gain, completely negating and effectively reversing Pascal's argument.
This reversal works best for those who want to confuse more than disprove, but it's fairly valid.
1. If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you will be fine
2. If god exists and god is benevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you may not be fine
3. If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a good person who disbelieves, you may not be fine
4. If god exists and god is malevolent and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you will likely be greatly punished
5. If god does not exist and you are a good person who disbelieves then you have a net gain (You help yourself instead of waiting for god to help you)
6. If god does not exist and you are a hypocrite who claims to believe but does not you have a net loss (Untruthfulness to self)
True believer is left out, because you're arguing from the viewpoint that belief is something that takes place deep down inside, and is not a facade, and that you simply lack it.
I think this went way over the Christards heads like anything else rooted in reality.
You have a lot of time.....
Learn truth senseless instead of the lies of the atheists which are traitors to our country by the way.
Our first president of the USA disagrees with you too senseless. You need to get a real education than listening to your atheists cronies and teachers by reading the truth in George Washington's Farewell Address:
Prayer changes things
And look what happened.
Yes it does HS, yes it does. Anytime molecules move, that is an unpredictable change.
You cannot pray against prayer. In fact you probably cannot pray at all. The only prayer available to you would be the sinners prayer. God bless
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs
BULL SH IT ALERT
just sayin You cannot pray against prayer.
Would you care to site the chapter and verse in the bible where it says that? Or are you just blowing smoke as usual?
I like to pray, then minutes later pray against my previous prayer, just to confuse god...
@J: What if prayer was met with efforts? As in try everything you can, and then rely on the Lord to do the rest. I think the problem with this study is that they didn't put forth the effort they needed to. My mom, during childbirth, was almost killed and there was nothing that any of the doctors knew how to do. The family got together and said an earnest prayer, and her early contractions stopped as soon as we said "amen". It saved both her life, and my brother's life. Now call this coincidence, but I will never forget how that sincere prayer was answered. I'm also not saying that bad things don't happen to good people. That would be preposterous. But don't you think you learn the most about yourself and your given the opportunity to grow during those dark times in your life when you have to learn how to rely on someone other than yourself, or become stronger as a person?
Senseless, you are a true moron. Atheism is not healthy is their own person. I have nothing to do with their or any other Christian's posts.
"Now call this coincidence"
Could have stopped right there.
Because it was.
Although a better statement is Correlation does not imply causation.
The reason Mormonism is not Christian is because it denies one or more of the essential doctrines of Christianity. Of the essential doctrines (that there is only one God in all existence, Jesus is divine, God in flesh, forgiveness of sins is by grace alone (Eph. 2:8-9; Rom. 4:1-5), and Jesus rose from the dead physically (1 John 2:19; Luke 24:39), the gospel being the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Cor. 15:1-4), Mormonism denies three of them: how many gods there are, the God of Christianity, and His work of salvation.
1. "Corporations are people, my friend… of course they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to the people. Where do you think it goes? Whose pockets? Whose pockets? People's pockets. Human beings, my friend." —Mitt Romney to a heckler at the Iowa State Fair who suggested that taxes should be raised on corporations as part of balancing the budget (August 2011)
2. "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me." –Mitt Romney, using an unfortunate choice of words while advocating for consumer choice in health insurance plans (January 2012)
3. "I'm not concerned about the very poor. We have a safety net there." —Mitt Romney (January 2012)
4. "He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." —Mitt Romney at a campaign event in Council Bluffs, Iowa, June 8, 2012
5. "I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry's come back." –Mitt Romney, –Mitt Romney, on the American auto industry, despite having written a New York Times op-ed in 2008 t.i.tled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt," in which he said if GM, Ford and Chrysler got a government bailout "you can kiss the American automotive industry goodbye"
6. "It's hard to know just how well [the 2012 London Olympics] will turn out. There are a few things that were disconcerting. The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials, that obviously is not something which is encouraging." –Mitt Romney, insulting Britain on the eve of the Olympics by suggesting the country is not ready, NBC News interview, July 25, 2012
7. "I'll tell you what, ten-thousand bucks? $10,000 bet?" –Mitt Romney, attempting to make a wager with Rick Perry during a Republican presidential debate to settle a disagreement about health care (December 2011)
8. "I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." —Mitt Romney, speaking in 2011 to unemployed people in Florida. Romney's net worth is over $200 million.
9. "[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs." –Mitt Romney, campaigning for president in Michigan (February 2012)
10. "I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." –Mitt Romney (January 2012)
You know, none of the protestant churches could possibly be the true church because they all apostatized from the Catholic church and can claim no authority (Isn't that why we call them protestants?) Christ founded his church on priesthood authority. Hebrews 5 says, " 4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee." Aaron was ordained to the priesthood by Moses, the prophet, and Moses received the priesthood from his father in law, Jethro. John 15:16 says: "16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit," Christ never intended that minsters and pastors run helter skelter preaching whatever they please and taking priesthood authority "unto themselves". He intended that his church be run by revelation administered by a prophet. Only the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the organization of the original church and is administered by a prophet of God. It is the only church today that is administered by verifiable priesthood authority with most churches not even bothering with authority at all!
By the way, HS, a corporation is considered a legal person. That is the whole point of a corporation; they can act as though they were a person and can be sued as though they were a person.
Dyslexic, I think you are claiming that the Nicene Creed is true doctrine. The Nicene Creed is nowhere in the Bible. It was totally fabricated by Constantine and his council of pagans, Capadocians,r Nicenes, Gnostics, Arians, Apolinarians, Greek mystics and others who had an agenda. Constantine didn't know any doctrine. He just wanted peace in his empire from all the factions who were fighting over doctrine. He just settled for the first thing that the majority could agree with. The sad thing is that there were probably people there who knew the truth, but couldn't prevail over all the other factions – doctrine by committee! Paul would not have approved of the mess christianity is in. He said, "5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism," (Ephesians 4) Obviously, there can not be more than one true church or more than one true doctrine. The question is, which one? We invite all to visit mormon.org for the answer. Christ taught the true doctrine of the Godhead when he suffered himself to be baptized by John. In Luke 3:21,22 we read, "21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,
22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
This is the true doctrine of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost which was taught by the Bible – that the Father and Son are two separate beings. Funny, the smartest religious leaders have been reading the Bible for 2000 years but it took a 14 year old boy to point out the obvious!
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. (New Testament, James, Chapter 2)
Nevertheless, we do believe in grace as much as you do, we just believe that we must do all we can do first and then Christ will make up the difference.
Why are you telling me what I already know? That does not make it right. In fact, it is wrong. Very wrong.
@ HeavenSense: "Romney Quotes"
OMG! He's even worse than Bush!
HeavenSenseless is a true moron.
I pose this question how was God "created" or whatever word you wish to use. could it happen again? If you say No you are in a sense trying to destroy the way YOUR God was "created"? and no i'am not trying to agree that a man can become God!
As soon as religious lunacy is removed from politics and affairs of the state it won't matter. As soon as you are laughed at for declairing you are a person of faith it won't matter. As soon as any politician is laughed off the stage for claiming "god" speaks to them it won't matter. Until these things come to pass..... IT MATTERS.
Dog, our founding fathers, especially George Washington not only disagree with you, but, call you traitors.
You need to get a real education than listening to your atheists cronies and teachers by reading the truth in George Washington's Farewell Address:
Heaven, you clearly only read what you wanted to read on Wikipedia.
Washington's Farewell address was written by James Madison and then rewritten by Alexander Hamilton. And if you read it carefully you can easily get the sense that whoever wrote it did not have any faith themselves. There is none of the speech that you hear from the faithful, it is clinical and scientific in it's discussion of religion.
It sounds more like these very bright men understood that common people are easier to handle when they are all afraid of something supernatural.
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I wonder if it's hard for Christians who try to sort out Romney's "facts from ficiton" to not look to their own religion to sort out their "facts from fiction".
It would be even better if atheists got a brain.
What's wrong? You didn't put your Wikipedia link in this retort...are you alright? And I think that there are two or three comments that you didn't respond to with your complete lack of intellect, wit or insight.
I think your problem with Athiests is that they are using their brains.
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Smail i think u are very intellectual we have No idea of the past only what was left by the worlds translators. So i ask people stop seeking revenge.
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