By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) – Even as the official Republican Party continues to try to derail Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin over his remarks about “legitimate rape,” a powerful force within the GOP has begun rallying to the candidate’s side: the party’s socially conservative base.
Powerful Christian activists in the GOP have begun pushing back against party leadership, alleging it has gone too far in trying to thwart Akin and that it is attempting to sideline issues that social conservatives care about, such as abortion.
The criticism is creating major tensions between the mainstream Republican Party and a key part of its base days before the GOP’s convention is set to open in Tampa, Florida.
“Following the pounding of Todd Akin by the GOP kings and lieutenants in the last 36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that the real issue is the soul of America,” wrote David Lane, an evangelical activist who’s influential in the Republican Party, in an e-mail to fellow activists Thursday morning.
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“The swift knee-jerk reaction to throw Akin, a strong conservative pro-life, pro-family born again Christian under the bus by some in the Republican Party is shining the light on their actual agenda,” Lane continued.
“We haven't seen anything this vicious since some of the same operatives did this to (Sarah) Palin.”
While many conservative Christian groups have criticized Akin over his “legitimate rape” comment and for claiming that women’s bodies can prevent conception in such cases, the groups have also emphasized that they stand with Akin in opposing abortion, even in instances of rape.
Not all conservative Christian activists are taking Akin's side against the GOP.
"I think it splits the social conservative movement," says Richard Land, who heads public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention. "Some people say, 'Look he is our guy, we are going to stand with him.'
"And some people are saying the odds are this is a fatal blow at least in this election cycle," Land says. "For the good of the movement, for the good of the pro-life cause ... he needs to do what's best for the cause and throw himself on his shield."
Land, who was in Tampa on Thursday attending meetings around the convention, said he thinks Akin should drop out.
Many Republican leaders, from presumptive presidential nominee Mitt Romney to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, also have called on Akin to get out of the race.
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The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the American Crossroads super PAC that backs GOP candidates both announced that they will stop spending money on the Missouri Senate race. Even tea party groups that have backed Akin in the past said he should step aside for the good of the party and the conservative cause.
The Republican National Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the social conservative criticisms of the party on Thursday.
Akin, who won a tough primary battle this month, has apologized for his comments but also defied pressure to get out of the election.
Republican officials have told CNN on condition of not being identified that the Akin controversy hurts on several fronts. It decreases the chances of capturing Missouri’s Senate seat, which is crucial to GOP hopes of winning control of the chamber, they said.
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And the brouhaha shifts the national discussion to divisive social issues that could repel swing voters rather than economic ones that could attract them in a climate of high unemployment and stumbling recovery, the GOP officials said.
Akin has bowed to Republican pressure to skip the Republican convention next week. But the Senate candidate was in Tampa on Wednesday night to meet with a powerful group of religious conservatives, according to a source familiar with the trip.
In a note to supporters Wednesday night, conservative Family Research Council President Tony Perkins heaped criticism on the GOP for abandoning Akin.
"Todd Akin has a long and distinguished record of defending women, children, and families – and unlike the GOP establishment, I refuse to throw him under the bus over one inarticulate comment for which he has apologized,” wrote Perkins, who is in Tampa attending events leading up the convention.
“As for the GOP, it has no rational basis for deserting Akin when it has stood by moderate Republicans who've done worse,” Perkins continued. “Singling out Todd suggests a double standard, designed to drive out social conservatives.”
CNN’s Tom Cohen and Peter Hamby contributed to this report.
Stop harping about abortion, already!
let us focus on the real issue here...
what are you doing to prevent Ra pe
Prayer has been shown to have no effect on what was prayed for. Critical examination of statements before they are accepted is essential to a healthy mind.
A little challenge for Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too! : Since I am a wretched obsessive-compulsive person mired in medieval thinking about a bronze-age god, it would be right that my foil should be a 'bot, a creation of a talented forward-thinking realist, not a wretched obsessive-compulsive person mired in ruminations about believers in bronze-age gods.
@Not When the evangelist party seems intent on nothing more than getting your Jesus diarrhea all over everything in sight, how can we help but be mired in it?
Even more ignorant than his comment is that he opposes abortion in EVERY case.
The flip side of the question would be do you feel any limits or restrictions should be placed on abortions?
Like most controversial issues, the possible positions to take are on a scale. Republicans tend to like a simple-minded approach to life where everything is black and white. Abortion = bad. Unfortunately this ignors the multi-tude of factors that can play into a decision to abort.
Should there be limits? Yes, because as a fetus matures, it gets harder to "determine" when it becomes a "person" . Society as a whole will set limits.
Todd Akin's problem is that he is so simple-minded that he only considers the fetus.
>>>”Republicans tend to like a simple-minded approach to life where everything is black and white. Abortion = bad.”
I would say that there Akin's on the Left as well that equates that any abortion is good. Its a total white and black view. You have said that it is harder to and harder to determine when to you it becomes a person. Akins and others feel that since you can not then it continues to validate the point that life begins at Conception. In addition as science advances, the abiity for a child to survive out of the womb advances as well. In our lifetime some scientist is going to be able to move in so briefly after conception that part of the argument of the pro-choice folks will come to an end.
As soon as you say that there should be limits you have given ground to the Pro-Life movement.
Outside of everything, Good post.
@Mark From Middle River
" do you feel any limits or restrictions should be placed on abortions? "
IMO... the current laws which spell out the restrictions are fine. No need for change. It keeps choice for women, up to a certain point.
"life begins at Conception. In addition as science advances, the abiity for a child to survive out of the womb advances as well."
Life starts BEFORE conception. Pregnancy would not happen if egg and sperm hadn't already had life. Should we worry about the life in all the eggs and sperm that get destroyed?
The improvements in enabling babies to survive outside the womb is an example of why society needs to determine limits and it therefore can change.
"I would say that there Akin's on the Left as well that equates that any abortion is good."
False. There are few, if any, people who support an abortion late in the 9th month. It's not like the other end of the scale where people (usually rightwingers) call for the elimination of all abortions.
"The Two Universal Sects
They all err—Moslems, Jews,
Christians, and Zoroastrians:
Humanity follows two world-wide sects:
One, man intelligent without religion,
The second, religious without intellect. "
Al-Ma'arri was a blind Arab philosopher, poet and writer. He was a controversial rationalist of his time, attacking the dogmas of religion and rejecting the claim that Islam possessed any monopoly on truth."
Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/resalat-al-ghufran#ixzz1lI6DuZmZ
Glad to see some folks are sticking up for this man who is under fire simply for telling the trugh.
What truth? That ra pe can't cause pregnancy?
Do you think "Chicken of the Sea" is actually "chicken"?
That should read, "... telling the truth."
Nah. It should actually read: "being an idiot."
The 'truth' that GOP hierarchy doesn't want anyone asking the candidates questions tough about abortion between now and the election.
They've already p'ssed off a very large percentage of women voters and they can't afford to lose any more.
You can bet the RNC will cut off funding for Todd Akin's election commercials. He better hope a deep pockets fundie SuperPac will come to his rescue.
So, are folks one issue voters? The same s'ex issue has Obama having the Black churches up in arms about him. Can he afford to lose them?
If people are one issue voters then I see many very empty polling places in November.
Obama won't lose black voters over marriage equality. They certainly don't like his position there but even disregarding the obvious (most will likely vote for Obama because he is black) the spread on Reps v. Dems with African Americans is huge.
He has to worry about their vote even less than Mitt has to worry about Evangelical Protestants. They don't like his being Mormon, but they won't countenance the alternative.
the sad thing is that between the Electoral College and the districting, this election will come down to a handful of voters in a handful of counties.
The Catholic voters in OH and PA are going to see a lot of love. I'd like one of the news orgnaizations to plot a 'heat' map of candidate visits between the convention and the election illustrating where their campaign stops are. I think that would be really telling.
Wow, multiple post. Ok, here we go. :)
>>>>“Obama won't lose black voters over marriage equality.”
Ok, maybe CNN Belief Blog will do an article on the issue...... oh yeah, they did.
and did again..... In classic CNN Belief Blog style.
Not to be out done...
He is “ignoring the people that put him in the White House,” Owens said. (quote from the first article)
It's not that they are going to vote for Rom, they will just simply stay home. And he is going to need those votes.
>>>”the sad thing is that between the Electoral College and the districting, this election will come down to a handful of voters in a handful of counties.”
I say we bludgeon the first reporter that hints at “hanging chads”.
I would like to welcome you to the point that it really does not matter any more. I am not saying that its a conspiracy of some type of secret organization but good greif.... Obama gets into office saying that things will change …..gets the Nobel Peace Prize ….
…. contacts Cheney and G.W.Bush about what to do about the war on terrorist ….
Now we are drone striking all over the globe and the list of dead ...with out a trial … bad guys … is amazing. I always want to ask a choice few of my fellow Repubs that declare they are ready to kill any terrorist ...wait ...any Muslim Terrorist … why they do not like Oba. He has delivered a body count that is impressive. Almost John Wayne vs the Native Americans impressive. Like African American comedian once said, where is Obama's Toby Keith “Flag Waving” country song. :)
“The swift knee-jerk reaction to throw Akin, a strong conservative pro-life, pro-family born again Christian under the bus by some in the Republican Party is shining the light on their actual agenda,” – David Lane, evangelical activist.
OK, David, what IS the Republican's actual agenda??
Prayer changes things*
Drunk driving changes things, too.
Wishful thinking again or are you speaking from experience?
truth be told,
We've been through this before.
I can tell you with ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that you have been driving drunk at least as much or MORE than I have.
It's certainly been posting drunk...or at least I hope it has.
I'd hate to think any sentient being would post the crap TuBeTop writes if it were sober.
This just proves that Republicans don't care who they get nominated as long they win, what hypocrites and liars.
Mr. Akin's statements are so idiotic that even Republican's are distancing themselves from them. Too funny!
“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat
=>same as Job Peter could be tempted or tested but only within certain limits set by God. Faith must be tested if it is to be proven. Peter of course claimed his faith would never falter…………….oopps Peter then denies Christ 3 times (once to a small servant girl even)
Allah, all praise be unto Him, actually has both male and female genitalia (how could it be otherwise?). Ibrahim knew this and was ashamed of Allah, all praise be unto Him, and began the lie that so many believe today that Allah, all praise be unto Him, is somehow male. Nothing of the sort! Self-copulation, practiced by those truly made in the image of Allah, all praise be unto Him, has always been the right and good practice of all who have been faithful to Him from the beginning. All should pray fervently that the sons of Ibrahim should turn away from Ibrahim's lie and self-copulate to the glory of Allah, all praise be unto Him.
Self-copulate...??? Is that the same as "Go F* u* c *K yourself"???
We All Need To e Friends And Love One Another!
Why is this on the "belief" blog?
cause God made him do it!!!
Why I Prefer Clay Akin To Tod Akin?
favorite comment – “The swift knee-jerk reaction to throw Akin, a strong conservative pro-life, pro-family born again Christian under the bus by some in the Republican Party is shining the light on their actual agenda,” Lane continued.
Yeah, they're trying to win. Fortunately for the nation, the party has a whole cadre of brainless idiots helping it along to lose.
Republican party conservatives may indeed have a soul , unfortunately this is not shared by the republican leadership any more than the demonrats .
Prayer changes things. I prayed for jesus and he and I got it together. So HeavenSent a night it was. TruthBeTold, it was just carnal. It was heathy for me, that Deacon guy told me it would be good.
You're just sayin' that.
You are replying to a name thief. God bless
Finally something we can agree on. Children shouldn't use other people's names. It's as bad as people using multiple names and hiding their ident-ity or refusing to answer questions about their spam.
Statement of fact not interpretation. God and Belial can have nothing in common. God bless
The Bible says God and the devil did have a bet in common. God bet that Job could be ruined and Job would still support him.
So God sat around while Satan killed thousands of Job's animals and many of his servants.
That says a lot about both of them.
Is there anything you can speak with accuracy about. It is rare to see such a gross misinterpretation of the Bible. God bless
Not one word to factually support yourself as usual. Well done.
For just sayin and anyone else who hasn't read the Bible, here's what it says:
– Job 1:8-12,16,18,19 “Then the Lord asked, "What do you think of my servant Job? No one on earth is like him–he is a truly good person, who respects me and refuses to do evil." "Why shouldn't he respect you?" Satan remarked. “You are like a wall protecting not only him, but his entire family and all his property. You make him successful in whatever he does, and his flocks and herds are everywhere. Try taking away everything he owns, and he will curse you to your face." The Lord replied, "All right, Satan, do what you want with anything that belongs to him, but don't harm Job."
(soon after that: Job’s 500 oxen and 500 donkeys were stolen; most of his servants were killed; 3,000 camels were stolen and:) "God sent down a fire that killed (Job’s 7,000) sheep” and a servant “dashed up and said, "Your children were having a feast and drinking wine at the home of your oldest son, when suddenly a windstorm from the desert blew the house down, crushing all of your children.”
God and Devil did not have a bet in common. The story is about Gods love for his creation in the face of evil. The discourse between good and evil shows just how different the two are and good always wins out no matter what you throw at it.
So God didn't challenge Satan to do whatever he wanted so God could prove he was right?
What words from the Bible don't you understand? Everything I quoted was in English.
No, it was not a challenge from God rather a simple statement of fact that God protects anything and everything when God so chooses. Not even the Devil himself can do anything without God allowing it. Job 1:21 “the Lord gave and the Lord takes away.” Take note who gives and takes it is he Lord. Take note the difference between a man of God and all others…………Job worshiped and acknowledged God after great loss.
So then, if the devil is tricking me into not believing, then he is doing it with permission from god? Gee, what a nice god you have there.
The Lord replied, "All right, Satan, do what you want with anything that belongs to him, but don't harm Job."
We know that might makes right for you, the point is that your god supposedly got into a penis measuring contest with Lucifer over Job.
Again, the language is a wonderful poetic dialog of Evil coming against the righteous. A loving God allows it to strengthen and prove the faithful. I am not convinced of the theology of a “bet” rather a play on words because attacks appear random is hard to say. What we do have is a clear statement that nothing can come against the faithful that is not allowed by God.
Not sure what is going on specifically with you but yes God allowed Peter to be sifted at wheat by Satin. Peter also fell away but the falling away made him a much stronger believer afterward.
what does this mean: "God allowed Peter to be sifted at wheat by Satin"
"What we do have is a clear statement that nothing can come against the faithful that is not allowed by God."
Yep. God stood around while Job had: 500 oxen stolen; 500 donkeys stolen; most of his servants were killed; 3,000 camels were stolen; 7,000 sheep killed: and all of Job's children killed.
If God treats his BEST followers like that, it sure says a lot about God's morals.
“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat
=>same as Job Peter could be tempted or tested but only within certain limits set by God. Peter of course claimed his faith would never falter…………….oopps Peter then denies Christ 3 times (once to a small servant girl even)
RE: Luke 22:31
thanks, I had assumed a couple of typos there, but wanted to make sure. The only thing I have to say about your discussion on Job, is "There's got to be a pony in there somewhere!"
sorry that last comment could be misconstrued really badly – the reference was a comparison to Job and not the contents of the conversation you were having with Observer. (No offence intended!)
Don’t stop there Isaiah was cut in half, the 11 of the 12 apostles were tortured to death, Jesus………yieks.
Morals? Cut off your right hand if it makes you sin! Is it immoral for a surgeon to cut off your cancerous legs to save your life? Death, rap-e and hardship are a part of life even if there is no God.
God offered a perfect world without pain and suffering and man rejected it so we have what you see. God offered his only son so that anyone who wants can have this perfect unity with God forever. God will wipe away every tear (clearly stated in the Bible). There is no immorality in the plan God has for our eternal soul.
Dust to dust is what becomes of the physical we can see around us. It has no permanence. What immorality is there in something that simply returns to its original form?
The argument of an immoral God is nonsense if there is no God. The same argument is nonsense if there is a God as everything is made anew according to that plan. The immorality of God only conceivable if God is not as presented to us and in this case you are speaking of some other ………..god.
How many bad things would you allow to happen to your family members to prove they care about you?
Yay more special pleading and soon might makes right arguments.
We’ve got more than a pony in there we have horse sense. Job’s wife told him to curse God and just die. The first case of man not listening to his wife (learned something from Adam?). Job’s friends came to him with all sorts of worldly advice and logic of the Greeks. Note how God left them and the wife alone to their own devices. Note that Satin left these folks alone to their own devices.
But, Job……the man of faith brought to the edge of death then was fully restored and then some. Job understood God much deeper than ever.
I am not the creator I am part of the creation limited to our known dimension. I can only operate in the physical so what I do right or wrong has real affect on others and reveals my true soul at the same time. The person I am could not allow or even watch such events. All the evil that you speak of will never have existed as the plan (as revealed) will seperate good from evil for all known time.
never bothered much with the Book Of Job. I still don't see the point of a philosophy were if God made us in his image and loves us and wants us to be with him for eternity, why does he feel the need to test our worthiness to be with him?
Job is just the poster boy for this testing.
Might does not make right assuming you refer to God. Do not forget Jesus could have brought armies of Angels to stomp the Romans and Sanhedrin. The power is not in Might but in Right. Jesus operative word was love God love others. In otherwords right makes might.
Maybe now you understand better why so many atheists find much of the Bible to be nonsense. You are certainly free to believe what you want, but realize that non-believers have some good points. Afford them EQUALITY.
So then god can order killings and send people to hell because he's right? And we know he's right because he's god? Do you not the circular nature of your argument?
Non believers have excellent points. I like how Thomas Jefferson looked at the Bible with great skepticism and ended up with an image of God more like Einstein’s even though Jefferson was bathed in Christianity his whole life. Another 200 years he would have been agnostic
The entire Bible is circular as Jesus said it is finished.
Living today with Darwin's Theory and modern science, he very well might be an atheist.
THANK YOU. Finally someone admits that the entire bible is just one HUGE fallacy.
We disagree on a lot of things, but I have to give you a lot of credit for your honesty. You are always respectful, too. I wish there was more of those from both sides of the debate.
Can we safely assume that David Lane is deaf to metaphor when he mentions the "pounding of Todd Akin by the GOP"?
Or perhaps he's saucily embracing metaphor.
The Republican party is headed for a divorce. The agendas of the "small gub'mint" libertarians and the social conservatives are in direct conflict with one another. One side wants to make government so small they can "drown it in a bath tub" and the other side wants to use the government to enact and enforce their equivalent of Sharia law. The two sides have irreconcilable differences and it's getting to the point where they are forced to acknowledge it and think seriously about splitting up into two parties.
The Democrats are just as fractured or even more so. You have you Al Gore enviornmentalist who want us all returned to communes living lives as hunters and gathers. Then you have you Hill Clinton faction who feel that not only does it take a village to raise a child but that the government knows whats best for you and more the government controls the better.
Then of course the minorities are losing more and more faith with the Dems after seeing the generations before them that the Dems really only care for you at election time. Heck, even the LGBTs are starting to lose faith in the Dems, since Oba only changed his position on same se'x marriage in the last months of his presidency.
If the Reps are heading for a divorce then the Dems are heading towards an episode of Jerry Springer.
@Mark From Middle River – Even if you keep telling yourself that, it still won't be reality.
Mark From Middle River,
You still don't know the name of our president. How pathetic!
>>>”Even if you keep telling yourself that, it still won't be reality.”
Hmm... You see that is the joy of propaganda. War4Sale made his wish list. If the Republicans split into two parties then the Dems would have their one party American dream. If the Al Gores, the Minorities and the LGBTs split from the Dems into pieces then it would be the one party dream of the Reps. Are you some how shocked that both parties want to be the only game in town.
The great thing for me as a Republican is that the polls are showing that we are returning to pre-Oba first elections , and African Americans are starting to see that the Dems only care about them in election time. I predict the minority voting will be down a bit if not noticeably down.
>>>” You still don't know the name of our president. How pathetic!”
Why, because I call him Oba? Check other post of mine, I have been calling Romney, Rom. In the same post I even called Hillary, Hill. Good grief,... Oba ..Rom..Hill.... Reps and Dems.... Give it break dude. It's more pathetic that your best form of response is to think I do not know their names?
It shows you have nothing in the tank and you are found severely wanting.
Wow, if both parties broke up and we actually had a choice between more than two candidates! Imagine!
Prayer changes things .
Forgive me father, for I have lied, again...
Prayer changes things
Religion is for the weak.
The fact you keep posting it over and over again proves your prayers aren't changing anything.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs` .
Not true. You have no proof of anything. Atheism of course is actually wonderful for all people! Atheists don't hide their misdeeds within their religions and so they are more responsible to society. Atheists don't allow their minds to be weakened by make-believe people that politicians and lobbyists and salesmen sold to weak minds long ago, and still do today. And prayer is really just a time-sucker-upper. Be a responsible member of society and get rid of all those make-believe people in your weak minds.
The US will be in trouble if their votes are based on religion. Religion shouldn't be in politics, not evyone beleives in religion or religion differs depending on what religion you follow.
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