By Dan Gilgoff, CNN.com Religion Editor
(CNN) – Even as the official Republican Party continues to try to derail Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin over his remarks about “legitimate rape,” a powerful force within the GOP has begun rallying to the candidate’s side: the party’s socially conservative base.
Powerful Christian activists in the GOP have begun pushing back against party leadership, alleging it has gone too far in trying to thwart Akin and that it is attempting to sideline issues that social conservatives care about, such as abortion.
The criticism is creating major tensions between the mainstream Republican Party and a key part of its base days before the GOP’s convention is set to open in Tampa, Florida.
“Following the pounding of Todd Akin by the GOP kings and lieutenants in the last 36 hours, I've come to the conclusion that the real issue is the soul of America,” wrote David Lane, an evangelical activist who’s influential in the Republican Party, in an e-mail to fellow activists Thursday morning.
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“The swift knee-jerk reaction to throw Akin, a strong conservative pro-life, pro-family born again Christian under the bus by some in the Republican Party is shining the light on their actual agenda,” Lane continued.
“We haven't seen anything this vicious since some of the same operatives did this to (Sarah) Palin.”
While many conservative Christian groups have criticized Akin over his “legitimate rape” comment and for claiming that women’s bodies can prevent conception in such cases, the groups have also emphasized that they stand with Akin in opposing abortion, even in instances of rape.
Not all conservative Christian activists are taking Akin's side against the GOP.
"I think it splits the social conservative movement," says Richard Land, who heads public policy for the Southern Baptist Convention. "Some people say, 'Look he is our guy, we are going to stand with him.'
"And some people are saying the odds are this is a fatal blow at least in this election cycle," Land says. "For the good of the movement, for the good of the pro-life cause ... he needs to do what's best for the cause and throw himself on his shield."
Land, who was in Tampa on Thursday attending meetings around the convention, said he thinks Akin should drop out.
Many Republican leaders, from presumptive presidential nominee Mitt Romney to Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus, also have called on Akin to get out of the race.
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The National Republican Senatorial Committee and the American Crossroads super PAC that backs GOP candidates both announced that they will stop spending money on the Missouri Senate race. Even tea party groups that have backed Akin in the past said he should step aside for the good of the party and the conservative cause.
The Republican National Committee did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the social conservative criticisms of the party on Thursday.
Akin, who won a tough primary battle this month, has apologized for his comments but also defied pressure to get out of the election.
Republican officials have told CNN on condition of not being identified that the Akin controversy hurts on several fronts. It decreases the chances of capturing Missouri’s Senate seat, which is crucial to GOP hopes of winning control of the chamber, they said.
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And the brouhaha shifts the national discussion to divisive social issues that could repel swing voters rather than economic ones that could attract them in a climate of high unemployment and stumbling recovery, the GOP officials said.
Akin has bowed to Republican pressure to skip the Republican convention next week. But the Senate candidate was in Tampa on Wednesday night to meet with a powerful group of religious conservatives, according to a source familiar with the trip.
In a note to supporters Wednesday night, conservative Family Research Council President Tony Perkins heaped criticism on the GOP for abandoning Akin.
"Todd Akin has a long and distinguished record of defending women, children, and families – and unlike the GOP establishment, I refuse to throw him under the bus over one inarticulate comment for which he has apologized,” wrote Perkins, who is in Tampa attending events leading up the convention.
“As for the GOP, it has no rational basis for deserting Akin when it has stood by moderate Republicans who've done worse,” Perkins continued. “Singling out Todd suggests a double standard, designed to drive out social conservatives.”
CNN’s Tom Cohen and Peter Hamby contributed to this report.
Christians need to leave this cult called christianity.
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Thus says the Lord GOD: I will make a stormy wind break out in my wrath;
and there shall be a deluge of rain in my anger." Ezekiel 13:13
There is a reason why God has sent this hurricane at the sae time as the Republican Convention and 7 years to the day after he sent Katrina . God is speaking to us.
Can it be that God is displeased that , for the first time, a Mormon ...who believes in false
Gods and false Scripture...has been selected to lead the Republicans instead of a Christian??
God is speaking to us. We need to listen
Regardless of religion and or faith why would one want a Senator that doesn't even understand the basics of how the human body functions? Saying that the human female has an internal birth control based on emotional factors is simply absurd, untrue and laughable. This man, if he truly believes what he said, has less knowledge than a young teenager. That's sad.
Since when have facts ever been important to people like him?
JUST WATCH WHEN THE RACE IS OVER, NOBODY MENTION GOD IF THEY LOSE.
Always live by the immortal words of "Dean Vernon Wormer" of Faber College , "Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life".
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I love how this turned into a Christian v. Athiest argument so fast. There is such a thing as a pro-choice Christian. They exist. What this guy said had nothing to do with Christianity, it was just stupid and insensitive. BUT its insulting to suggest that all Christians think this way (because they don't) or that they're the only religion that has pro life beliefs (there are even pro life atheists). Its also insulting to suggest that atheism is any less moral than any other system of beliefs, just because its based on science. If you think that, you're just as closed minded and misinformed as Akin.
Without trying to convert you to Catholicism, I suggest reading "Humane Vitae" it will show you the foundational thinking of how a just society must begin with the right to life and the value of individuals who then gather into families, communities and nations.
You mean the Republican Party was just using the Evangelical Christians for their vote all along? You mean they had no intention of giving them a share of the victory? That's outrageous. If I were an Evangelical Christian, I would not take this. I would stay at home on Election night and show the GOP just how much they need my vote. Ridiculous!
Life is a journey of learning and missteps. Due to believing the words of 'experts', (probably Dr. John C. Willks), Todd Akin uttered some astonishing words. We were aghast at first, felt like we'd been betrayed, upon reading his misinformed idea. So were many others and from this came discussion which has brought Truth on the subject. Everyone can correct their wrong information, quit the recriminations and focus on the task at hand. That task might be building a just world where the option of abortion need not be considered because some men quit being treacherous and the community began valuing all babies and mothers.
Nah – that's too hard. Just the thought of it would make a lot of people want to go p00py. Men will be men. A good percentage of men will always be greedy about all things including money and women. It's also about the same percentage of men that will try to sell you things you don't need, including religion. There is no supernatural truth, so you may as well stop capitalizing that word. Women will always need the option of abortion in certain cases of pregnancy.
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Old People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Sick People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Poor People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Female People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Non-white People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Non-christian People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Unemployed People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Gay People = Glob of cells that we don't care about. Let them die.
Glob of cells in a womb = Something we PRETEND to care about just to get votes.
The seniors will need it to commit suicide when their health care dollars run out.
no, The GOP doesn't believe in Euthanasia. They just want you to suffer while you have no healthcare, but they won't allow you to put yourself out of misery. It's cruelty at it's most cruel.
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional
Question for pro-lifers:
If you remove the spinal column, brain and entire neuro system from a body, but keep the body alive on machines is that body still a human being?
Can women get pregnant from being r-aped?
Does Todd Akin have any clue?
A corpse, and Im a pro lifer. I would be willing to bet if the technoligy esisted and the brain and nervious system were put into another body(may need to be cloned rejection issues) the new body would be the person...just to keep it short...
What is Human,..?? seriously that's a hard one, one of the reason why we Grigori love you all so much is your a mystery and we are scholars, scientist and librarians,.. we love mysteries♥♥
@Sam, agree that it's a hard one...
Add to this that 90% of the cells in the human body are from bacteria... so are those bacteria human, and if you remove then, is what remains human?
it's fucking stupid.
Now look, if you look at the way Christians act and talk, I can see why you might say that, but if you took the time to read and study the scriptures you would see that . .oh yeah, it's very unorganized and conflicted and hateful and untrustworthy ... oh never mind.
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The only reason the GOP is distancing itself from Todd Akin is because they don't want to tick off the feminazis. The problem is that feminazis don't represent the majority of Americans. Mr. Akin should be applauded for speaking the truth on a very difficult issue.
So, you don't think that preg.nancy can result from ra pe either? Yet another glowing example of home schooling, aren't you?
Tell us that YOU don't think women can get pregnant if they are r-ped.
Get serious now. Get an education.
Truth? Shit, you wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass. Are you saying pregnancy can result only from illegitimate rape? You fucking evangelicals are living in the stone age and can't (or won't) get out of it.
belittling someone is not a valid retort. If a person does not know or did not accuratly communicate their position a better reply would be to kindly ask them to clarify themself. To attack a fellow human being for an error of such small importance raises other questions about the credability of the attacker. Not to mention other potentional abusive traits.
He DIDN'T speak the truth at all, Evan. What part of the facts are you unable to grasp?
feminazis hahahahhaah that's always been a good one the real funny thing about it is Christians use it to demonize the feminist
and Nazis are Christians,.. ever kind of Nazi from the original German to the American,. Nazi = national socialist
look i can do this all day the fact is Nazi are Christians and many feminist go against the churches patriarchal teachings in fact many feminist have gone toward paganism and goddess worship whether its the idea that God the christian one is actually a woman,.. further more this means that tolerance and understanding is a a virtue as it is in most pagan teachings when pagans become nationalist they because ostracized from the pagan community
Norse + Nationalism = Odinist/ Aryan-ist or thor-ist
Shinto + Nationalism = Shinko
nationalism is about no tolerance or acceptance of other cultures that is a clear violation of one of the only rules in paganism,. but it is OK and preached in the non pagan faiths Judaism / Christianity/ Islam which bread choosing people mentality and leads to intolerance and nationalism
my point is Feminist and Nazi are oxymorons
I wasnt refering to Akin but the same principle applies. Yea he made a very uneducated statement. and stuff like that happens, he might have had that thouight his entire life or maybe it was something he heard that day who knows. Point is is that if the person is wrong beating them with the correct answer does little to resolve the situation. Most people become more arguementative also and usually spirals down hill. when showing someone human respect and kindly pointing out their error leads to mutual respect and bringing the other party into agreement with your point.
I don't have to be respectful or polite to morons who don't know the first thing about abortion and are intent on making it illegal. Such people are attempting to abrogate the rights of others based on their beliefs.
I'm not about to pleasant to them just because they're clueless.
wow what a bigoted tard you are. just because your sister denied you again tonight doesn't mean you can easily get away with spewing hate here – at least not without some repercussions. from a dude by the way.
You are a waste of oxygen....and should have been a-borted, too bad your Femnazi mother was too much of a s l u t and wel-fare queen to do the right thing and get rid of you. The best part of you ran down your mothers leg.
seriously all i have to do is sit back and watch you Christians are making my job easy,.. your god is evil and every one know it now,...
Prayer changes things .
Actually – not true!
It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. Teaching kids to be agnostic helps reinforce their understanding of the new real things they can see and learn about in life. It helps them properly separate the known from the unknown without confusing them. They just need to be taught things that are unknown, like god, and things that are made up, like all religion.
Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).
We have only begun to scratch the surface in using the mind to its maximum. Damaging it with made-up junk that politicians and salesmen dreamed up long ago is senseless, and limits the mind's potential. These politicians and charlatans didn't even do a good job of organizing and being consistent with the stuff they dreamt up to try to control people. Daddy used to say they were caught with their pants down when the bible was first translated so that common folk could read it. Very true.
Instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.
The truth about atheism is that atheists have murdered more people in the last 100 years than were killed in all previous centuries. Atheists cannot hide their sins, the blood of millions cry out against them.
truth be told,
The TRUTH is that the Bible says that when God got done with his killing spree, there were only EIGHT people left on the face of the earth.
Dispensing justice is not a "killing spree". They were found legally guilty and executed , you might not like it but justice was served.
You mention eight survivors, could you tell us how many there were that perished?
"You mention eight survivors, could you tell us how many there were that perished?'
If the number was small, the Bible would have mentioned them. No sense in flooding the entire earth to wipe out just a few people. It was LARGE scale to get everyone.
You claim knowledge how many ? Hundreds? Thousands? Millions? How many were there?
(2 Kings 19:35) "That night the angel of the Lord went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning—there were all the dead bodies!"
When God wanted ONLY 185,000 people killed, he just sent an angel to do the job. Moving millions of animals and flooding the earth was a project on MUCH MUCH LARGER scale. It would make sense that requiring such a much larger project would mean that far far more people would be killed, right?
Is it possible to get a straight answer? Were Assyrians involved ?How many?
lol. Get serious. So tell me, if just ONE ANGEL could easily kill 185,000 people in one night and DID, how HUMONGOUS could the number of people to die have been if angels couldn't handle the job?
If I knew that I wouldn't need to ask you.You are the one claiming knowledge, how many were there? I am not interested in angels or Assyrians, just the number please ?
If ONE angel can kill 185,000 people in ONE night and yet can't handle the job, it must have been HUGELY bigger. In a worst case scenario, there would have been 185,001 people (since the angel couldn't handle it) so God torturously drowned ONLY 99.99% of the population. No atheist ever came remotely remotely remotely close to that.
If you know the HIGHER number, please tell us.
That is not relevant unless Assyrians were involved. There was a traffic accident that killed over 20 people one time does that mean 20 are killed in every accident? You claim the knowledge just give the answer or admit you can't.
You're a riot. Tell me that angels can ONLY kill Assyrians. lol.
Since God created the largest disaster in the history of the world, give me the date it happened and we'll see if we can get an exact figure on the world's population then. I'll wait.
You brought it up and can't answer the most basic question so you ask me to answer one? Earth to observer you set yourself up as the authority, I asked you the question, how many? Your answer is to ask me the question, when? You're the authority you tell us when and how many.
What's the date of the greatest disaster in the history of man? I'm still waiting.
Since ONE ANGEL can kill 185,000 people in ONE night and couldn't handle the job, the answer is: FAR FAR MORE than 185,000 people. So now you know. IF it was only 185,000 then God ONLY drowned 99.99% of the world's population.
Why are you asking me a question ? I do not claim knowledge of the event you did. I cannot answer because i am the one that mistakenly asked you for a straight answer. Can you tell me how many or not?
See if you can answer this without running away and hiding.
Here is my complete original statement:
"The TRUTH is that the Bible says that when God got done with his killing spree, there were only EIGHT people left on the face of the earth."
Was my statement TRUE or FALSE?
Psst – Ask him why the gene pool is so diverse if there were only 8 people at one time.
Just one question.
Didn't intend you should stutter. My question followed your statement about events. You claim eight survivors I ask how many perished? Fairly simple, straight forward and to the point. I have heard about Assyrians , angels, been asked to provide a time frame etc. none of which relates to the question i asked. How many perished can you answer yes or no?
SImple ONE WORD answer. Stumped?
I must conclude that you will not be answering my question. I wanted more information based on your statement, i do not know the veracity of your statement, you made it i did not. All i asked was how many perished? It seems a simple question and there is nothing for me to hide from, I simply seek a knowledge you for whatever reason will not share. I am not arguing with you, just wanted to know.
If you had ANY answer at all to your own question, you would have said it.
I don't know the EXACT number, but based on the statistics from the Bible about the killing capacity of ONE ANGEL, LOGICALLY the total is far in excess of 185,000.
So are you still AFRAID to answer the simple TRUE or FALSE question?
I asked you a question you did not answer, there is no fear involved on my part why should there be? Based on this correspondence I do not think you are too stable and i suspect not given to truthfulness, that said i cannot accept anything you have said with any credibility.
Speaking of not being stable, I have told you the answer several times based on the Bible and LOGIC. It is: more than 185,000. Is English a second language for you or is it a reading comprehension problem?
Are you still STUMPED about Noah's ark? I thought every Christian has heard of it. Must be embarassing not to know if you are a Christian.
The 185000 number has nothing to do with the flood. Someone asked you a question and you laid an egg big time. Laughing at you not with you.
Your ignorant friend Just Wondering is clueless about how many people survived the Great Flood that God intentionally caused. Can you figure it out or are you STUMPED TOO? Christians should know the answer, but apparently not all are knowledgeable about their own religion.
You brought it up. L-O-S-E-R ! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
"You brought it up. L-O-S-E-R"
Wow! Neither you nor Just Wondering have any clue about how many people were on Noah's ark. Amazing! Even kids in Sunday school know more about the Bible than you do.
All you have left is juvenile insults. How mature and Christian of you. Jesus must be so proud of your knowledge of the Bible and how you act just like he did. Yep.
Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.
An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.
The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs! ~
I'm always surprised at how many people respond to the OP in this thread. I've gotten to where I never read them because it's such a rehash. But I read this one today and I must say it is HILARIOUS. Just Wondering totally owned Observer.
Just Wondering is CLUELESS about how many people survived God's killing spree when he only left a handful of people on the face of the earth.
Do YOU have any clue how many were left? Do you know anymore about the Bible than Just Wondering?
Are you going to be scared and run away and hide like Just Wondering did?
Mr. Akin, another victim of the angelic con:
AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD
Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family) (As does Mr. Akin and his family)
Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)
"Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."
Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;
Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).
The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.
Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
BULL SH IT
OH WAIT THIS POST IS TRUE THE OTHER ONE I WAS LOOKING AT IT THE BULL SH IT ONE
Annoyed that the issue seems to revolve more around his verbiage, with the term "legitimate", rather than on the complete lack of evidence to his statements. Feel like had he used the term "forcible", then there'd be no issue, at least from his supporters. What about cases when the woman's life is in danger–are there also people who claim no woman has ever died during childbirth? Probably. They'll just claim some "scientific fact" that any woman who dies during childbirth would have died during an abortion procedure too.
No, what they will say is that it was "Gods will" that the women died!
Yet, if we were talking about some medieval despot who could end your life according to "his will" then he would be an evil ruler, but somehow God must always be considered "good" even when he behaves the same way? Isn't this more like the folks in North Korea who wave at "Dear Leader" in public least they earn his wrath? I mean, Christians are afraid of offending God, aren't they?
North Korea : You are afraid of offending the all-powerful ruler because of what he could do to you.
Christianity: You are afraid of offending the all-powerful god because of what he could do to you.
North Korea : They tell you which thoughts are good and which thoughts are bad
Christianity: They tell you which thoughts are good and which thoughts are bad
North Korea : They tell you every other kind of Communism is bad and non-communists are evil in carnet.
Christianity: They tell you every other kind of christianity is bad and non christians are evil in carnet.
North Korea : They tell you that their words are THE TRUTH and you must believe what they tell you. To question it is a CRIME AGAINST THE STATE!
Christianity: They tell you that their words are THE TRUTH and you must believe what they tell you. To question it is a SIN AGAINST GOD!!!
North Korea : They tell you that you will be horribly punished for the rest of your life if you don’t do what they tell you, believe what they say or think wrong thoughts
Christianity: They tell you that you will be horribly punished for the rest of eternity if you don’t do what they tell you, believe what they say or think wrong thoughts
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