By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."
"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday. The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.
Nye – a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" – said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."
"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.
Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States. Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.
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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.
For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution. Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.
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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years. In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.
During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.
Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.
Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.
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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge." Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.
The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859. By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.
"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist. There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.
This is a very interesting article which I greatly appreciate. I have not thoroughly studied the sciences so I know I can't speak to evidence for or against evolution or creationism. However, I have given much study and energy to understanding the Bible and I have to say that it truly is not a scientific textbook. It is a record of who God is and who we are, why we are antagonistic to God and how God wants to reconnect with us before it is too late.
There is a book which may be of interest to everyone about Genesis Chapter 1. A re-examination of the Biblical Story looking more closely at the worldview of the original audience and thus the proper understanding of what that was story was trying to teach. It is written by a conservative evangelical, John Walton, who is an expert in ancient cultures. In "The Lost World of Genesis One: Ancient Cosmology and the Origins Debate". he argues that the 'creation' spoken of in scripture was understood as creating by giving purpose and function to something. The ancient audience had no use for or care to understand how a rock became a rock. They all knew it was divinely created. They believed things did not truly exist until they had a purpose or function. Reading the Biblical account with this understanding bring much clarity to the odd order of the creation as well as deepening the truth of the Bible that however something came to be, it was the hand of God that physically made it. Mr. Walton also argues that science should do what it does best, explain the physical world as it truly is. The argument of God is a meta-physical question which is a different category of study outside of the realm of physical sciences.
The Bible is absolute nonsense. Why would anyone read it for any reason? Wishful thinking? A lack of thinking?
Expand their vision beyond their comfort zone?
Peteyroo, why comment if you have nothing of value to add? There are better places on the internet to rant, if that is your intent.
The bible should never be used as a science book.
Two observations about the pro-creation video (no pun intended). David Menton makes is an appeal to Argumentum ad Numerum to justify the validity of creationism. Yes, it may not be accurate to say denial of evolution is unique to the US. That said, popular denial of evolution, however widespread, is not a valid argument against evolution. Menton mentioned 40% of US citizens criticize evolution, but conveniently fails to mention the number of scientists who criticize evolution as false. Best estimates place the percentage of experts in the biological sciences that do not believe in evolution at around 0.1%. Ok, so now the deniers might say "Well you just used Argumentum ad Numerum to support evolution." And I would say yes, with one big difference: scientific consensus is very different because it is the weight of the EVIDENCE that is being considered, not the weight of opinion. Second, simply stating that because it is written in the Bible it is true, as Purdom states, also fails as proof. We already know that the bible fails on numerous levels to agree with the empirical evidence that careful scientific study has revealed over decades, and in some cases centuries. The bible may have many social and personal lessons to teach, but it is not a science text and never will be.
What sense do creationists make of the extensive fossil record? Carbon dating shows that many of those bones are far older than 10,000 years. Do creationists disagree that humans belong to the family of primates? We ARE animals with big brains and language. We are related to every plant and animal that ever lived because we all go back to the primordial "soup," in which life first began. Being related does not mean that our ancestors were monkeys, but in the long ago past genetic changes brought about new branches of the family tree.
In short, many of them think the fossil record is a hoax, and radiometric isotope decay is not a reliable clock. Ironically, it's likely an atomic clock which they pace their days by, but that's beside the point. Many think scientists are part of a grand conspiracy orchestrated by the devil to trick people into doubting god. I would say that 95% of the creationists that post here have little in the way of education in the sciences. Maybe this makes them feel insecure. Rather than do the work and learn the science for themselves, they try to denigrate it or make it into something evil.
There is a small percentage though that study the science and have differing opinions like punctuated equilibrium, etc.
Just like many of you, I have been taught that evolution is the way of world. However, I have always been skeptical. When I was in college, my biology professor started a class about the topic of evolution. Everyone in class agreed with him on the topic, except for one individual, me. I wanted to speak up but I felt very uncomfortable about doing so since I was alone. However, I did get the nerve to voice my opinion. The professor screamed at me for disagreeing with the theory of evolution but then I believe he thought it would be better for him to make me look bad in front of the entire class.
Thus started a debate between me and a biology professor! For every fact he presented, I had a rebuttal and eventually backing him into the corner. Finally, he gave up and accepted that creationism is the actual truth! Later that day, he quit his job because he could no longer teach the theory of evolution as he knew it was wrong!!!
I know a lot of you all are atheists and probably think I am making this whole thing up but as fate would have it, someone was recording the entire class and posted the ordeal to youtube. You can see for yourself that this really happened.
Right. I have a hard time believing this anecdote. What college were you attending? Also, feel free to ask us your questions. That's what a forum is for.
Often Christians and history doubters think that because they don't understand the science, that must mean that no one understands it and we all blindly accept it. This isn't true at all. There are some really smart people out here who have a good grasp on many of the scientific aspects of evolution. Ask away.
Cute story. I bet the professor found Jesus that day too! Sure!
Isn't it funny how that professor looks just like the stereotype of a professor that a creationist might have? And the things he says sound just like the strawmen that creationists use to describe evolution? Weird. It's almost as if it's a big fat lie. But creationists would never try to deceive people, would they?
Rufus: great response. I hear ya.
Since you're little video was actually a 'produced' video and NOT an actual debate with a professor that someone caught on their phone as you claimed, I can't even say, 'nice try'. How about ,'Nice lie', instead. Isn't 'lying' one of the sins mentioned in the 10 commandments? Oops! I guess you're going to h-ll now for lying! But we all know that, if you REALLY believed in the bible, you NEVER would have lied like that. You're an atheist, too! You're just scared to admit it, which shows how powerful the church's threats of 'going to h-ll' can be when the threats begin at a young age and come often enough.
Oh, come on, Goober...do you actually think anyone with 2 functioning neurons will think your little video is anything approaching real? HAHAHAHA............you're not even as smart as the apes you descended from.
Oh damn – they changed the ending!! Darn it – I went out and got some new lube and got all ready. It's really the start of a p.o.r.n film I saw before. (I mean no one is good looking, but the guy in the red shirt has a lot of junk.) Uggh – I should have know something like this posted to a blog would be messed up.
You're so full of crap, you stink!
Funny how creationists perceive the average professor of biology. I'm a Canadian, a Catholic, and I attend a University run by Catholic nuns. I'm currently majoring in biology and once I complete my undergrad I intend to attend medical school. My Evolutionary biology class was taught by a nun, as was my Human Anatomy class. When I took My Human A&P class it wasn't an abnormal thing to hear her discuss how certain structures may have evolved (from earlier ancestors) and why. Perhaps Catholics are just a different sort of Christian, or perhaps it's America and it's culture of fear and paranoia.
The Catholic Church endorse the science of evolutionary biology.
It absolutely does not. The RCC clearly states that all humans came from one man named adam and one woman named Eve. This is ENTIRELY inconsistent with the ToE. The church states that it thinks evolution is a sound theory, but then teaches that somehow the process stops with humans. The RCC cannot have its cake and eat it, too. It's either being intentionally disingenuous, or is amazingly ignorant of high-school level physics. The RCC would be better off leaving science to the scientists.
yeah, u can tell that that is a real college class by the way all of the students speak in unison, and how the professor comports himself. exactly like the classes i attended during my fourteen year college career. this was especially the case during the science classes. never did trust those scientists.
Ummm.. way to go there! You really created a nice video, not biased at all!! And I'm sure a professor who actually knew what he was talking about wouldn't have backed down so easily.
I dare you to ACTUALLY debate a knowledgable person on this topic UNSCRIPTED and post to youtube, but you won't.
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To Primewonk and all others who want to challenge my post, Macro evolution is the theory of a single cell organism becoming a fish and then becoming an ape to finally to become a human. If we were once apes, then wouldn't we have animalistic tendencies? And the human race has been around for a while, so wouldn't we be changing in phenomenal ways now? But we are at a stand still. I have studied this since grade school and have done research of my own. This world didn't just happen in the midst of an explosion. Try that with an airplane factory, and see if you get a perfect 747. Logic remember, that's what we Christians are told we don't have. But Macro Evolution and the Big Bang THEORY are a illogical as they come. Where in this logical world does any of that make sense? However, Micro Evolution means the same type of animal goes through changes to better live. Like the saber-toothed, whose adaptation was smaller canines. That has actually been proven. Science is beautiful but only the logical parts because science is a system of formulas.
How can you expect us to believe that you have studied this since grade school and carried out research on your own, when every sentence of your comment shows a complete lack of understanding of whatever the heII you are trying to talk about?
Why do people asume that they are experts in fields that they aren't even conversant in? I think some people really don't know enough to be aware of how much there is to know.
@girl: your post has a total lack of understanding of even rudementary biology; proof you compared human evolution to a manufacturing plant for airplanes.........
next if you truly studied since grade school and did your own experiments; which you can't do on the macro scale due to how slowly larger creatures procreate; you would have found ants and other smaller creatures with large birthing rates capable of changing within a humans life span.
example: the modern pig we use for meat. they originally started out as wild hogs or bores which had a much larger and more sloped head than their tasty cousins we consume now. after many generations of selective breeding we produced the fatter pigs we eat now, that are also more docile through breeding ONLY the pigs that showed signs of lowered aggression.
example: canines a.k.a. modern dogs. yet again through selective breeding humans aided the wild canine family to evolve into a more compatible companion for humans.
on both of my examples they have adapted due to human intervention, but still possess the ability to breed with their cousins because they haven't become a completely different species on the genetic level.
" Like the saber-toothed, whose adaptation was smaller canines"
the above statement places the nail in your coffin of ignorance. any person that has truly studied evolution and even simple biology would know that the smileadon a.k.a. sabertooth cat was a feline, not canine.
so please stop being an ignorant poser and truly read before you post ignorance.
"I have studied this since grade school and have done research of my own."
I highly, highly doubt this statement is true.
That's what's so simple and convenient about creationist arguments – they don't limit themselves to saying only what is true.
Did you ride to school on a unicorn with Tinker Bell and the Tooth Fairy? Did leprechauns lead the way? Was Santa Claus your teacher? Or maybe you rode a magic carpet. Did you learn that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around our very important planet.
@Girl, humans do have animalistic tendencies. The one thing that really seperates us from other species is that our cognitive abilities are superior and we can think metacognitively (or atleast we cannot prove that other species think metacognitively). Evolution is a very slow process, but even today humans are showing differences that didn't exist before. We are becoming increasingly taller, for example.
'This world didn't just happen in the midst of an explosion.' If you were referring to the Big Bang Theory, this just shows your ignorance. The big bang wasn't an explosion. Fundamental christians give the rest of us a bad name.
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In less than 3 minutes Bill Nye succeeds in making several broad, confused assertions that only show he's uniformed about the latest form of intellectual position to Darwinism. What happened to being a "science guy"?
I had no idea he wore a uniform.
Eric, you DO realize that Nagel is a philosopher and not a scientist or engineer, don't you? Creationism is slammed for its lack of scientific basis. The article you linked does nothing to bolster the science supporting creationism. Even the links are poor and have been reviewed and discredited by the scientific community. Nice try.
exlonghorn, you are overly generous in calling that a nice try. It's a lousy, dishonest try.
Perfect place for Bibles.
Anon – Jesus still loves you.
Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.
SHALOM, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A GREAT SHABBOS.
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND.
SHALOM, YOM TOV.
LET MY PEOpLE GO
LET JONATHAN POLLARD GO NOW LET MY PEOpLE GO
To paraphrase Hunter S. Thompson – that is some serious heavy-duty batshit crazy going on there.
Pollard is a spy. He should be treated like any other spy. There's no reason why we should pretend that his crime didn't happen or that it wasn't all that bad. If you believe in justice, then let the spy do his time and then he can go home to his family...He made the selfish choice to do the crime that landed him in jail and away from his family. If they suffer now, from not having him around, then it is his fault.
Doesn’t Mark 16, 18 state that anyone who believes in Jesus can be bitten by a poisonous snake and not get hurt? My point is that everything in the bible is not suppose to be taken literally. I highly doubt anyone is committing a sin by not believing in the literal sense of the bible.
There is a fellow named Tim Friede who is actually immune to high doses of black mamba venom, but God has nothing to do with it.
Since he was young, he has been injecting himself with venom daily, slowly building his resistance.
Don’t let anyone capture you with empty philosophies and high- sounding nonsense that come from human thinking and from the spiritual powers of this world, rather than from Christ.
@ paul: i love how these "good christians" listened to your jesus nonsense........... READ CAREFULLY.
this is what happens when "good christians" listen to your christ.
South Korean police have arrested a Christian pastor and his wife over the deaths of their three children. The parents are accused of whipping and starving the children in an attempt to cast out demons.
Police said Monday that the couple was arrested Saturday after their 10-year daughter and two sons aged eight and five were found dead at their home in the southern county of Boseong.
The children's hands had been bound, BBC News reported.
Authorities say the couple told investigators they stopped feeding their children and beat them with a belt and a fly swatter to drive away evil spirits.
An autopsy indicated that the children had not eaten since January 23, the BBC reported, citing local journalists.
Investigators say the couple cited a Biblical proverb that reads "Do not withhold discipline from a child."
Police say the husband was pastor of an obscure Protestant congregation called Hyungjae (Brother) Church."
Thank you for the random meaningless verses from your bible. In the spirit of fairness, here are some random verses from my holy book, the Primewonk Bible. I happen to think that my random verses make a hell of a lot more sense than your verses –
ADVISORY: There is an Extremely Small but Nonzero Chance That, Through a Process Know as "Tunneling," This Post May Spontaneously Disappear from Its Present Location and Reappear at Any Random Place in the Universe, Including Your Neighbor's Domicile. God Will Not Be Responsible for Any Damages or Inconvenience That May Result.
PUBLIC NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY LAW: Any Use of This Post, in Any Manner Whatsoever, Will Increase the Amount of Disorder in the Universe. Although No Liability Is Implied Herein, the Believer Is Warned That This Process Will Ultimately Lead to the Heat Death of the Universe.
Einstein 16:24 Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
Gould 1:15-16 Human consciousness arose but a minute before midnight on the geological clock. Yet we mayflies try to bend an ancient world to our purposes, ignorant perhaps of the messages buried in its long history. Let us hope that we are still in the early morning of our April day.
Bohr 2:11 Anyone who is not shocked by quantum theory has not understood it.
Szilard 88:16 I'm all in favor of the democratic principle that one idiot is as good as one genius, but I draw the line when someone takes the next step and concludes that two idiots are better than one genius.
Sagan 22:1 For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reàssuring.
Feynman 110:55 …it doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are - if it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
Hawking 41:61 A machine that was powerful enough to accelerate particles to the grand unification energy would have to be as big as the Solar System-and would be unlikely to be funded in the present economic climate.
Hippocrates 14:5 Science is the father of knowledge, but opinion breeds ignorance.
Galileo 12:16 It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved
Carlyle 2:2 It is a mathematical fact that the casting of this pebble from my hand alters the centre of gravity of the universe.
Fermi 1:1 The weak nuclear force does not change over time.
Oliver Heaviside 62:3 Shall I refuse my dinner because I do not fully understand the process of digestion?
C. P. Snow 5:3 Innocence about Science is the worst crime today.
Paul Valéry 3:6 One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall.
A.C. Doyle 14:8 It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.
Clark 19:17 Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Roddenberry 68:12 We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
deGràsse Tyson 1:1 God is an ever receeding pocket of scientific ignorance.
I am a Christ believer, yet I adore science because science is beautiful. I may not be in the Macro Evolutionary band wagon as some of you but I do believe in adaption. Not something like a single celled organism making a human one day. And there are many differences on this earth. Cell reproduction is uniform and doesn't deviate. I am not an idiot because I have faith in a higher power. I am a human being not a so scientifically brainwashed hybrid human that wants to make the world cold and critical.
Well, you're on the right track. Just keep studying evolution and some day the truth will dawn on you. Just ignore what the 2000-year-old bible says about it and give a little more weight to modern science.
@own heart: best advice i can give you is " adaptation are the steps in the staircase of evolution"
each adaptation is nature trying out new things, if it works then it's passed on to the next generation and so on; if it doesn't work then..................you get the idea.
Girl wrote, "I adore science because science is beautiful." However, you also wrote, "Not something like a single celled organism making a human one day."
This is what I don't understand about folks like you. On one hand you claim to love science, and on the other hand, you denigrate it – in the same post!
No one in science ever says that a single cell organism made a human one day. This shows that you choose to be ignorant about the science you claim to love.
Also, one can believe in both science and God. According to this article, most scientists (51%) believe in God or a higher power. It is certainly lower than the general population but it does show that one can believe in science and a higher power.
I studied biology and pharmacology in some of the top labs in the US. I met and have known MANY scientists who were also theists. They were brilliant at their jobs and wonderful professors and had papers published in peer-reviewed journals...and they were theists. I wholeheartedly believe in evolution. I don't quibble over whether life COULD have come about without a creator. I simply believe that it also COULD have had a creator. My daughter could teach her own high school biology class, so versed is she in the methods and basis of scientific theories. At the same time, she's also a devout Eastern Orthodox Christian. I raised her sans religion, because, like many atheists, I believe that religion is for adults. At 15 she started calling herself Orthodox and at 17 I started letting her attend their church services. She still wants to be a marine biologist and sees nothing incompatible with her religion and her knowledge of how science works.
To the creationists:
Whales once had legs. Obviously the don’t anymore. Does this not prove evolution?
It's sure very strong evidence. I would consider it proof, but there are some doubters who won't. They will just claim that god or satan or some malevolent scientist put the legs there to fool us. Hard to believe, isn't it?
And by the way, some whales still do have legs. They are vestiges of legs inside the whale's body and can't be seen. But when the whale dies and decays, they can be seen as part of the skeleton. Since they are not detrimental to the whale, they haven't been evolved out. Let the creationists chew on that one for a while. I haven't heard their explanation for this yet, but it ought to be a doozy.
I think I can sum up the creationist rebuttals rather succinctly.
1) Micro evolution, yes. Macro evolution, no. Becuase the existence of the vestigial legs can't be denied, it falls into the "micro" category by default.
2) What you think are legs are actually something else.
3) God is magic and we can't understand His full plan
4) You're all going to burn in hell you evilutionist heretics.
I never said that I was a creationist...I only said that evolution is a theory and can not be proven!
You don't even understand what a theory is, you moronic twit. When you get your GED, notify the media. Until then, bite me. You aren't qualified to determine anything more complicated than which trash bag you ought to buy.
Thevdefinition of "science": a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. There are no facts or truths re: evolution.
The definition of "science": a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. There are no facts or truths re: evolution.
The definition of "science": a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws. There are no facts or truths re: evolution; it's all theory.
Here is a page that explains the scientific theory a tad better than what you found on dictionary.com
Jeebus, but you're thick, dear. Where's the SCIENTIFIC definition of THEORY, you stupid git?
Evolution is pretty much an accepted fact among us that can think. It is, admittedly, a bit of a stretch for those with limited intellectual capacity. You have to discard your bullshit mythological beliefs and think logically. Some people can do it, some can't. Which camp are you in?
It can be proven. It has been proven. It is not just a theory. Be well. Be weird. Ciao.
I vote, that on every new page one of us posts the definition of "theory".
Yes! Sticky Notes!
- the taboo word fragment list
- the refutation of Pascal's Wager
- the explanation that humans did not "come from" monkeys
I'm sure that there are a few more that just don't pop into mind right now...
I am a Christian. As such I believe the Bible. I also believe it needs to be interpreted carefully. I take the Genesis creation stories as anthroporphic language – God talks to us in ways that we can understand. Its simplified speech and meant to serve originally as an introduction to the rest of the book of Genesis. For thousands of years this simplified account gave the world – and still does give – a "good enough" understanding of reality to achieve God's purposes of beginning reveal Himself to us and to give us the basis of stable societies.
It provides a good workable theory of knowledge- all knowing God created the universe – and He created us with the intellectual capacity and the sensory ability to gain real ( true) knowledge of the world..
I see the passage as an invitation to wonder and explore His creation and to honor Him by using our minds.
see my webpage for more http://responsiblefaith.org
What the fuck is "anthroporphic language"? Is that what the anthroporphs speak? Correct spelling would give a bit more credence to your post, even though I, myself, don't believe any of it.
Larry, do not mind the mindless, not everyone here has fully evolved thinking ability.
Boy, ain't that the truth!
Ahhhahhahaha. You can bet that point was so far overhead it didn't even ruffle music's toupee.
But I'll bet it makes his penis feel all funny.
Gosh, Larry. It sounds like you are desperately trying to interpret the bible in a way that allows it to remain relevant in a world where many people realize that it is nothing more than the compilation of tales from a specific middle eastern mythology . If your god wants people to believe in him, he should have left even a shred of evidence that he exists.
Evolution is the biggest lie that satan has put on this world. It should be banned from public schools which are paid for by the Christian (even non-Christian) religious majority.
No one gets to choose where their tax dollars go. If you wish your child to have a religious education, do what Americans with a clue have always done – pay for it.
Either you're a troll or you are so afraid of knowledge that contradicts your personal belief that you are willing to damage, if not destroy, this country's ability to compete with the rest of the world in science and progress, not to mention the future of the children who will be forced to live in such a country.
Frankly, I think you're a troll.
Why should we care what the rest of the world believes? Are you serious? If the rest of the world believed that murder is ok, does that mean that we should also teach that murder is ok? We are "one nation under God" and we should never forget that.
Ok, of course, it find to call someone who expresses a religious opinion on a BELIEF BLOG a troll, but the rabid atheists running around on this BELIEF BLOG are somehow not trolls.
Ok, of course, it's fine to call someone who expresses a religious opinion on a BELIEF BLOG a troll, but the rabid atheists running around on this BELIEF BLOG are somehow not trolls.
The phrase " under God " was added in the 50's during the cold war. The remainder of your post is gibberish.
If you can't understand the argument or cannot refute it, simply call it gibberish. /sarcasm
Evanidiot, when can we expect to see your anti-evolution paper peer-reviewed and published in a recognized scholarly scientific journal, successfully debunking evolution and all the science based on evolution? If it's not quite ready, I suggest you post it here to get some early feedback.
No way that's going to happen. Creation is on its way out in the schools. It only lives on in the minds of intellectually handicapped people. If these people would spend Sunday morning in a library instead of groveling on their knees in a church one day a month they might see the light, at least the smarter ones would. Sadly, most are probably too biblewashed to recover.
Evangelical, you do nothing to change my opinion that you are a troll. But since you have chosen to completely misquote what I actually said, let me clarify.
My statement has nothing to do with belief. That is your territory. The word I used was competing. If you get what you want, the United States will be unable to compete with the the rest of the world in the quest for advancement, in health care, in resource management, in economic growth. The United States you envision would be nothing more than a third world country, with natural resources ripe for the taking by countries with better military options, better finances and better educations.
Evangelical – I had no problem understanding the words you typed, thank you. The idea behind them was gibberish, not an argument at all. It was at best a false equivalency, at worst a deliberate misdirection. No surprise there.
Dream on, you idiot, Evan.
I'm thinking troll, but honestly, it's so hard to tell with some religious people. The lines between the fantasy and reality are so blurred with these guys.
Ask them what they think evolution is.
Evolution is a religion, a God surrogate. It is a silly little supposition that has no place in school. But then again, I do not want creation taught in public schools, do that at home.
The moron speaks yet again. Honestly, music, you shame the art.
evangelical....i'm sorry that some on this site are so very abusive and disrespectful. You have done nothing to warrant their hostilities and i know that personal attacks can hurt us physically and emotionally. Expressing a dissenting viewpoint is always difficult, especially in today's "politically correct" atmosphere. So, hang in there; but, don't expect to change anyone's mind that believes everything their taught without question, without research, and without proof. Remember scripture....if what you have to teach is not welcome...wipe your feet and go elsewhere. (i know i only got the gist of it and it's not verbatim, but i'm sure you know what i'm referring to)
Connie lingus, honey, it's "their feet".
Were you born stupid, or did you practice?
Connie dear, if you are so interested in respect and feelings, perhaps you should stop calling people who disagree with you "Bozos". People might think that you're a hypocrite if you aren't careful.
And it's "they're taught", dear.
Really, darling, did you drop out of school before you got through 8th grade English?
Why should anyone pay your opinion any respect, when you're barely literate? Why should someone who actually has a brain bother with the likes of you? I don't need the input of some half-wit to tell me how to interpret the bible. I don't need some dolt who never passed 10th grade Literature to inform me as to the meaning of the terms found in the bible.
You twits couldn't interpret the directions on a box of Pampers, for fvck's sake! Why would I need your help with Scripture?
"don't expect to change anyone's mind that believes everything their taught without question, without research, and without proof."
Perfect description of certain christian minds. After all, there is ample proof of evolution, while there is no proof at all to support the existence of any god. I'm a little confused though, Connie. I thought you were trying to support Evangelical?
Like it or hate it, poetry will always have the upper hand over reason. Meaning itself, though ineffable, is always superior to symbols. Symbols come and go. Perfection is conceivable because it is real, and we remember its beauty.
Man, that post was a real head scratcher.
Head scratcher indeed. Good stuff. I have no idea what you mean, but I agree 100%. I love the last line about the beauty of perfection... well, God grant me the serenity....
evolution is a THEORY! Prove it! BOZO!
Well gee, since you used all caps, I'm sure you must be right. ( eye roll )
It shouldn't matter to you what I believe or whether I'm right or wrong; that is, unless you have an agenda
Everyone has an agenda – yours is obviously to prove that you know nothing about science.
Theism and creationism haven't even made it to the THEORY stage. They are hypotheses, with no testable properties.
(I hope you know the difference between the common usage of 'theory', as a guess or hunch, and the scientific meaning of the term)
The won't prove it because they can't.
They won't prove it because they can't.
Antibiotic-resistant bacteria is evolution in action.
Since you have access to a computer, I suggest you try googling "proof of evolution". It's fairly simple to find the proof your asking for. All you have to do is actually make an effort.
Most Christians don't have a problem with evolution if it is defined as adaptation to an environment. But you can never prove that one species evolved into a different species.
Oh but there is never any reason to try to adapt science to fairy tale (except from within other century-old fairy tale).
If you have developed your reading skills, and do indeed enjoy the flow and sound of words, the logic of order and the creation of meaning, then you are ready to read a book. In some books you will find that evolution has indeed been proven. Not by me. And probably not anyone doing posting around these here parts. But check out some Richard Dawkins, some Daniel Dennett, and hell, why not some Charles Darwin. I think you'll enjoy this exercise. Be well. Be weird. Ciao.
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