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Bill Nye slams creationism
August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET

Bill Nye slams creationism

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."

"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday.  The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.

Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."

"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.

Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States.  Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution.  Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years.  In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine.  But don't make your kids do it.  Because we need them.  We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.  We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.

Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.

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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge."  Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859.  By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist.  There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Creationism • Science

soundoff (14,640 Responses)
  1. Analystgirl

    Thanks Bill!

    August 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • donna

      Fuck yeah

      September 2, 2012 at 7:15 pm |
    • donna

      Fing cool

      September 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • toad

      That works, but you can turn bold on and off between two adjacent letters and not have any of the text bolded.

      September 2, 2012 at 7:18 pm |
    • donna

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      September 2, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • toad

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      September 2, 2012 at 7:29 pm |
    • donna

      shit

      September 2, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • donna

      Dam, I can't get it. I'll have to keep trying. Thanks Toad!

      How do you follow people here?

      September 2, 2012 at 8:52 pm |
  2. DC

    I was a believer until I read the Bible.

    August 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • Nichols

      Yeah, someone posted that already.

      August 27, 2012 at 9:29 pm |
  3. Interesting

    It seems to me that evolution requires just as much faith as creationism. You're just putting your faith in our human powers of observation and believe that what we have thought up based on those observations is correct. We've got a few hundred years at best, of scientific observation, that has now told us that one giant, explosive, random event started a chain reaction that, over billions of years resulted in humans, and flowers, and viruses, and dinosaurs. The belief that the unfathomable intricacies of every living thing on our earth formed themselves completely at random seems just as fantastical to me as believing in a Creator.

    August 27, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • DC

      The big bang is not part of the theory of evolution. The big Bang theory is cosmology. You might want to brush up on evolution before you knock it. And no it is not faith, it is science.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Zebula

      Try reading a few science books.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      I hope you believe in medicine for without it you'd be dead. Use your critical thinking for once.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • URgod not there

      You could not be more ignorant.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • ChristardMingle.com

      @Interesting

      Common sense can by very fantastical. I feel your pain.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • PsyDoc

      Interesting: Your statement: "The belief that the unfathomable intricacies of every living thing on our earth formed themselves completely at random seems just as fantastical to me as believing in a Creator" is not an accurate reflection of what evolutionary theory posits. This was not completely at random at all, but rather the results of hundreds of trillions of genetic mistakes and mutations.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Bob

      You are misconstruing the competing arguments. What Nye is arguing against is the literal, the-world-was-created-in-6-days-and-is-only-6000-years old, view, not the well-something-had-to-precede-the-big-bang-several-billion-years-ago, view. THe latter is a reasonable question and is still being examined by *science. The former is a fairy tale...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • rj

      "The belief that the unfathomable intricacies of every living thing on our earth formed themselves completely at random seems just as fantastical to me as believing in a Creator"

      Yep, the 'dumbing' down of America

      August 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • Mob

      And you are using a product of science, the computer!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
    • Simran

      Inetersting
      It did take centuries for man to come up with the theories of science. But it only took some years for a delusional man to come up with his God theories! INTERESTING!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Justin

      Thats what we in the biz call an Equivocation Fallacy. You are equivocating between definitions of faith. That is to say between 'trust due to evidence' and 'belief without evidence'.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Barzoo42

      No, faith by definition is believing in something without any evidence. Evolution is based on over 150 years of observable facts, and experiments with DNA being the biochemical mechanism for evolution. The hard evidence is there. So belief in evolution does not require faith. All it requires is the intelligence to put the data together. We do our children great harm by not teaching them science and the scientific method.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • mcore

      Clearly, you don't have even the slightest grasp of evolution theory or science. Did you even graduate from high school?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • wrabbit99

      The creationists are quite right that we are prisoners of our perception. It's possible that God could have created the earth in situ with Lucy, dinosaur fossils and rocks which date over 4 billion years old. That would be a lot of work. It also flies in the face of the non-determinism evident in quantum theory which suggests that our environment is not micro-managed. It would seem to make more sense to assume that life evolved gradually over billions of years to its present form. This does not deny the existence of God, but if God does exist it seems likely, based on our current perceptions, that it would be a macro-manager. Of course we could all be living in the Matrix :>).

      August 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Darwin

      This is an old and tired argument creationists love to make - that science is itself a form of faith. Making it portrays a lack of understanding of science. Science has theories about the way the world works which are not necessarily true, yes, but those theories must hold up to observable fact and testing. In this way, young earth creationism is demonstrably incorrect as a theory. It can be proven incorrect from a number of disciplinary angles including chemistry, biology, anthropology, genetics, astronomy, etc. Faith on the other hand is untestable, does not need to conform with observable fact and, in this sense, is not science. Likewise, science is not a form of faith. Did God create the universe? We may never know the answer to this question. But we do know that the account of earth's creation in The Bible is incorrect.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • Monk

      @Mob: NO! god created all of the computers 6 days ago. Then he laid down our communications infrastructure, then he altered all of our memories to make us THINK we have been using computers and the internet for more than 6 days....

      August 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • wrabbit99

      BTW the Black Death was unfathomable to the religious authorities of the time. Now scientists are unravelling human DNA. Religion has never been very good at "how" or "when". IMHO it's best confined to the "why". We all want a "why" and Ridley Scott knows this.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Patricio

      I couldn't agree more, well put... The odds that these random events culminated in life on this earth as we know it are astronomical.. The probablity of life forming from no-life has been likened to the probability of a tornado going through a junkyard and spontaniously assembling a working Boeing 747 airplane.

      Here are some other items to contemplate.
      http://www.bestbiblescience.org/top.htm

      August 27, 2012 at 2:26 pm |
    • memyself

      @Darwin "But we do know that the account of earth's creation in The Bible is incorrect.".

      As an evolutionary biologist, I take exception to this statement. As Wolfgang Pauli would say, the "creation theory" of the Bible is "not even wrong". It is simply altogether useless and completely ignorable. Or as Asimov put it, it is "wronger than wrong"

      August 27, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
    • Dan

      Let's say an organism forms some sort of ability to detect and respond to light from a genetic mutation. It needs:

      1) the sensors (the eyes)
      2) the wiring
      3) some form of new function in the brain to perceive and analyze the data...

      So my question for all of you who believe this all happened randomly:

      How does a genetic mutation cause an organism to not only develop the sensors it needs to perceive the light, but also the wiring, and the function in the brain to process the light data at the same time?

      One can argue that it didn't happen at the same time, but that over millions of years these mutations developed independently and fell into place on their own... but I see no evolutionary advantage of having wiring without sensors or processing, or sensors without wiring or processing, or processing without sensors and wiring.

      How would having, say, just the wiring mutation be an evolutionary advantage to the organism if it didn't have the eyes or processing ability in place to develop a function that would allow it to thrive over the common organism with no mutation? After all, to detect and respond to light, you need all 3 pieces of equipment for it to work. So without all 3, your mutation is just that – a mutation – with no advantage what so ever. No survival of the fittest. Nothing. Just a mutant organism that has 1 of 3 things it needs to have the "survival of the fittest" advantage.

      Taking this one step further...

      Let's say I build a robot that has all the hardware it needs to detect light and respond to it. It has the light sensors, the wiring to the brain, and the brain.

      It still needs one thing: to be programmed to process that light data and respond to it.

      With all that said, you'll never convince me that if I tap on my keyboard randomly over a million years, the programming (with proper syntax) will happen on its' own.

      You cannot simply plug pieces of hardware into something and expect them to start working on their own.

      Anyone have any idea how it's possible for this to happen? It seems a bit of a reach to me...

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • George Marshall

      Patrico try to grasp that evolution has nothing to do with "random chance." How life evolves is largely determined by natural selection (note the word "selection). On small islands animals over many generations get smaller (can you figure that out?). Finches of the same species on different islands in the Galapagos develop different beaks (can you figure that out?). If you have two matching primates and put one in the rain forest of Africa and the other in Australian arid land they are over many generations going to develop differently (can you figure that out?)

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Dan

      Further more.... most mutations are recessive. What are the chances that another organism with the same mutations will find the other one before it dies to make the mutation become dominant in the DNA?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Glen

      TheVocalAtheist said: I hope you believe in medicine for without it you'd be dead. Use your critical thinking for once.

      So much for critical thinking, I know many people who don't take medicine and live and many who took medicine and died in the end we will all dies one day whether we take medicine or not!

      The Bible however has answers to how to live eternally we are created to be eternal souls, where we chose to live will entirely depends on us. For God so loved the world that He gave his only Son that who ever believe in Him will not die but have Everlasting Life. John 3:16 You can mock it all y9ou want but its the answer we've all been waiting for all our lives some find it towards the end of thier lives other dies before and its too late.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • Dan

      I also find it interesting that even after close to 100 years, hundreds of thousands of the worlds greatest minds have yet to be able to construct a computer as powerful as the human brain. Sure computers can process more data, but they lack in creativity, true decision making, compassion, emotions, judgement, reason, etc. etc.

      To believe that the human brain happened by itself (over any amount of time)... considering the complexity of our brains compared to the modern computer is a little absurd.

      After all, If I were to tell you the computer happened on its' own, you'd be calling me crazy, right? After all that science and stuff behind it... it obviously can't happen on it's own. It had thousands of people intelligently designing it to make it what it is.

      So why is it so easy for you to believe that your computer (your brain) happened on it's own randomly without any intelligent design behind it?

      More food for thought:

      Let's say I go out and buy a new computer and take everything apart. I mean take literally everything apart – break the entire thing down including the capacitors, semi-conductors, micro-chips, etc. We're talking probably over 200,000+ different parts in a computer.

      I gather up all those parts and stick them in a gigantic box.

      I shake the box for 1 million years...100 million years... 1 billion years...

      Would you EVER believe the computer will re-assemble itself into working order again if I continue to shake the box long enough?

      NO. You'd be crazy to.

      Now I want you to consider how many parts make up the human body...

      Obviously this is an apples to oranges comparison, but certainly you can see the complexity of hundreds of thousands of parts coming together to make a working machine, right? Obvious intelligent design, you would have to say...

      The thing is, the human body and brain are soooooo much more complicated.

      So how can there be no intelligent design behind humans either?

      August 27, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • This is the best time to be alive

      Not random. Perhaps highly improbable, but in a universe thats billions of years old, even the highly improbable occurs.

      The universe is full of elements that over billions of years combined and recombined to create what we see today

      August 28, 2012 at 2:11 am |
    • Dion

      you might want to actually read what evolutio is. and that is what the issue is with people who believe in creationism. they do not want to actual read and research the subject, so they begin to mash everything under the "science is bad label" and scream, "EVOLUTION IS STUPID!" and obviously by now, you know that the big bang is not an main component of evolution. please be sure to use critical thinking sir.

      August 28, 2012 at 7:54 am |
    • uhh..

      It certainly wasn't random. If anything, it could be said to be an inevitable conclusion of the vastness of the universe coupled with the laws of nature.

      It doesn't require faith, becuase it has evidence, and the formulas and models we have fit the data perfectly, and continue to predict, with accuracy, what will happen next. Thus we accept it not on faith, but on its merits of being an accurate depiction of reality.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • Anti-theist

      Please do yourself a favour and read up on evolution so that you might actually understand it. Might I suggest Richard Dawkins' The Greatest Show on Earth"? And if you want to see evolution happening today, just look at how, in the past century, viruses have adapted to antibiotics.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:41 pm |
    • T-Max73

      I think you underestimate the enormous amount of evidence in support of evolutionary theory. There is no faith involved. True-we don't yet understand how the first cells self-replicated, but we don't go off and make outlandish claims about how that happened either. Science is blind-it just goes where the evidence leads. Science doesn't just accept what fits into it's predetermined paradigm.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:06 pm |
  4. HeavenSent

    God created Adam and Eve, the heavens and the earth. Period. It says so in the historically accurate book given to us by God, the Bible. Why can't you athiests humble yourself to the truth? My cats love to play with the roaches but it hurts when they go for my ears. Jesus said he would give you reprobate minds. You athiests keep believing in the lies of the Devil and see where you end up.

    Amen.

    August 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @HeavenSent

      LOL ! 😀

      Peace...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It isn't "historically accurate", you dolt. You and Jim have a fixation on Jerry Springer. Is that what you watch in your trailer? You might want to tune in to Bill Nye's show. You might learn something, though with that minuscule brain pan of yours it's going to be difficult.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • HeavenBeGone

      Proof? it is a book, where is the factual proof? because it was written? that would never stand up in court as proof, there is literally zero evidence to back your claim up. evolution has evidence. sorry.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • I Don't Get It

      Why are y'all replying to the fake HS?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • Slyjinx

      This is a joke, right? If it's not people like you are why the US has become a laughing stock.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • CBurns

      I'm a Christian, but I understand that the bible is not "historically accurate" as you say it is. It's people like you who take things literally and end up screwing everyone else up. Take it for what it is...a way to guide our lives!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Simran

      Heavensent,
      Have you figured it out yet???
      Oh, don't know what I speak?
      A gentle reminder: Why did God wait for 4.5 billion years before he created man to take care of his creation?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @everyone on this thread:

      Just an FYI... This is 'not' the real evangelically crazy -HeavenSent.

      If you'll notice, this 'fake' one is a parody.

      He will always include some ridiculous line embedded in the middle of all the things the real -HeavenSent would say.

      For instance, from the above -HeavenSent posting:

      " My cats love to play with the roaches, but it hurts when they go for my ears. "

      Peace...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Simran

      @HS,
      Look it up dlg, it must be there in your historically accurate BOOK OF ALL ANSWERS!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Simran

      @therealpeace,
      The real HS seems to be absent since last 2 days now. What a pity?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Kay

      Historically accurate? The books of the bible were written down over a huge time period in which they were verbal tales first. We all know that verbal tales are always misconstrued in some way or another. The bible has also been translated multiple times, something that we also know will damage the initial content of the writing. And what do you say to the multiple books that were left out of the bible because they didn't align with what the editors wanted to say. This is ignorance at its finest.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Simran

      " @therealpeace,
      The real HS seems to be absent since last 2 days now. What a pity? "

      Yes, what a pity 😯 ... but, I gotta' tell you, this 'fake' -HeavenSent usually makes me LMAO with his one sentence that he embeds within the actual crazy sh it that the 'real' -HeavenSent says.

      I typically look forward to reading this -HeavenSents postings ! 😀

      Peace...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • I Don't Get It

      Yes, peace2all, these are blatant parodies, and I really hate to see some of my fellow non-believers being so unthorough in their reading and falling for them.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:27 pm |
    • buttset

      You Bible thumper are an Idiot. To prove there is a real god jump of a cliff and ask to be saved. Let me know how that goes.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @I Don't Get It

      Yes... and yet, there are still comments coming from fellow non-believers that are acting as if this is the real -HeavenSent.

      This is not the first time, btw... This HeavenSent continues to post, IMO, some pretty funny one-liners in his postings.

      Peace...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • Which God?

      God also gave man herpes, cancer, diabetes, aids, mutating viruses that man isn't curing. Does god wish to kill us horribly with cancer? To make babies suffer ? Why are babies born mutated? With down syndrome? With MS and MLS? Nice god there.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • Glen

      Dan said: Let's say an organism forms some sort of ability to detect and respond to light from a genetic mutation. It needs:... it seems a bit of a stretch for me.

      It is not a bit of a stretch but an act of total blind faith to believe in Evolution Dan, in fact it take more faith to believe in that than in an all knowing, all powerful creator God who said I created all things.

      In fact the probably of evolution being true has the same probably of an hurricane hitting a junkyard and out of the chaos a 767 Jumo comes into existence.

      Men have been know to search for the truth in all the wrong places while at the same time mocking those who find it.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • KTM

      Hahahahahhaha! *deep breath* Hahahahahahaha! Why can't I JUST believe perposterous stories written by MEN centuries ago? Because I have critical thought and an education.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Mary

      Exactly where did Jesus say anything about the origin of the universe and the evolution of species?

      Also, exactly why is it necessary for those who do believe in God (and Jesus) to deny the reality of the existing cosmos and to insist that what is said in Genesis is historically accurate? As Bill Nye points out, that peculiarity is unique to the US, and I find it unfathomable. Even the Catholic church, with a pretty terrible history of dealing with scientists, no longer denies science or reality.

      As I have told relatives who thump Genesis at me, where does it say that God requires you to turn off your brain? If God created everything, he created your brain, and I find the idea of a God that would trick us with science to be a big loser. Your mileage may vary on that one.

      August 27, 2012 at 6:46 pm |
  5. Ed

    Bill Nye is anti-Creationism. Meh. People seem to forget what Science actually is. Science is, at it's foundation, the effort to explain the causes for what we as humans see around us. I have no beef with people embracing the concept of Evolution. Based on the evidence that we as finite beings with finite perception have gathered, it is a pretty good guess. It comes from the same line of thinking that brought us Spontaneous Generation, but it is still a pretty good guess.

    The problem I have is that somehow we have made the leap from a pretty good guess to convincing ourselves that we have all the details. There are limits to our perception, limits to our understanding, and self-created limits to our thinking that make it unlikely that we have enough information to state Evolution is the final answer.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • ChristardMingle.com

      Ed, we don't even have enough information to know if there are other dimensions right next to us that we un-equipped to percieve. But, we do have enough information to prove creationism is incorrect and nonsense.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      It is your perception and misinformation that is the problem. No one ever said that evolution is the final answer, answer to what? For now it far surpasses you God did it.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • Which God?

      Ed, waht kind of argument is that? Scientist Know that they don't have all the answers, and probably never will. Life itself is an unfolding journey and mystery. You come from a bit of ignorance there and a touch of arrogance with it. You need to learn more. As for your intelligence, meh.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Jim Rossiter

      What do you think the bible is, but man trying to explain his surroundings.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:02 pm |
    • Dev

      Yes Ed, science is here in an attempt to explain the physical. True creation takes place on a spiritual plane that is beyond the understanding of the ignorant yet clear as day for the elnightened.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • carpenterman123

      Billions of years can hardly be called "spontaneous generation". nor do scientists think that they have all of the details figured out. It's an ongoing investigation.

      August 28, 2012 at 7:00 pm |
  6. Wrenn_NYC

    Bill Nye. making bow ties cool... even before #11.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Tardis09

      Woot!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
  7. Mass Debater

    I think the headline should read "Science Slams Creationism, Bill Nye Points It Out..."

    August 27, 2012 at 12:51 pm |
    • Huebert

      Win.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Borat

      High Five!

      August 27, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • An Atheist's Perspective

      This is my vote for post of the week. Well played sir.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:59 pm |
    • ChristardMingle.com

      Nice.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • RealMenLoveJesus

      Moronic!

      August 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  8. Mass Debater

    There is nothing those of faith and religion want more than eternal bliss, and as we all know, the easiest way to get their is to stay eternally ignorant...

    August 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Mass Debater

      there... or theirs i guess... 🙂

      August 27, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • RealMenLoveJesus

      And there is nothing that atheists want more than no accountability. Have fun with your snide baseless comments. You will stand before God alone. There will be no forum of like-minded drones to back you up.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • RealMenLoveJesus

      And there is nothing that atheists want more than no accountability. Have fun with your snide baseless comments. You will stand before God alone. There will be no forum of like-minded drones to back you up.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:24 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      A religious person talking about someone else being a drone. Oh irony how delicious you are.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  9. EnjaySea

    Your ability to express your hatred of others, Rick, doesn't improve our impression of your sophistication, nor does it convince us of your point.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
  10. kaliman

    I often find it puzzling how the creationists tend to focus almost exclusively on Judeo-Christian perspective, when there are so many other creation stories throughout the world and in history. You argue God made the world, so do other cultures, so... what are the other ones right too? or are they the ones spouting fairy tales?

    August 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Jose

      @ An Atheist Prospective

      I totally agree. As vast as this universe is the sheer probablity is there. Of course I fear our human arrogance (or ignorance) would have many of us think we are alone. I happen to believe in a higher being (I'll call him God for ease of communication). I do think God is capable of more than just one life planet.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • T-Max73

      @Jose- You call your belief in a higher power "God." Aren't you just saying that you believe that there is an invisible man controlling our destinies and intervening in human affairs? Are you too embarrassed to actually say that, so you hide behind the "higher power" nonsense and just happen to call it "God" with a capital "G"? How stupid do you think people are? You want to understand how things actually work, yet come to the table with a presupposition about a "God" and just choose or discard what fits your paradigm? Is that it? How unscientific.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:12 pm |
  11. An Atheist's Perspective

    A couple questions for creationists:

    1) Why exactly do you deny evolution? You say it's because it's counter to what's taught in Genesis; but when I ask you about other things in the Bible those are " just metaphors". Is only Genesis literal? Which account?

    2) Why do you deny ONLY evolution? The Bible says that Jesus went up a mountain and saw the whole world. Geography says the world is round so that's impossible. Why aren't you protesting Geography?

    3) You claim evolution and the idea we came from apes (despite the fact this is a misunderstanding) is "dehumanizing". Why? You believe we were made from DIRT.

    Thanks,
    -AAP

    August 27, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • James

      Atheists will believe anything. Proof that they are glued to the Jerry Springer show as he dumbs the atheist down. What a disgrace you fools are.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • James

      I like turtles

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • jimbo913

      James, you are mental.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • Jose

      Unfortunately I think the problem is that we try to see things too black and white...I think creationism is real in the context of evolution. Genesis occured but to explain to the uneducated of the time, a simple metaphor was used, the week. "God said let there be light, and there was light" Heck, sounds like God just created the universe via the "Big Bang". The skies and waters and land developed in one day. To God I believe 24h means nothing. If things took a millenia to create and God "is , always was, and will always be" then of course this occured on God's timetable, not our 24h. Many of the bibles stories, etc are most likely based on truths that have been made "easy" for us to understand. Jesus himself used parables extensively to make his point.
      Now let's talk about if there are any other life forms in our universe...

      August 27, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • An Atheist's Perspective

      @Jose
      "Now let's talk about if there are any other life forms in our universe..."

      Consider just how damn big the universe is... my money's on "yes".

      August 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Thor

      @Jose

      Unfortunately I think the problem is that we try to see things too black and white...

      I’m afraid it’s quite the opposite. When your view of the bible is in shades of gray, then it becomes any shade you need it to be. Much like you are doing with your interpretation of genesis.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      James.. most Jerry Springer show watchers are believers. (quite a number of them wear crosses) They're also quite below average in intelligence (my suppostion)

      They also cannot obey posted traffic laws, or cross on sidewalks.

      This last I have from personal observation. I almost hit two of them this morning as they crossed the road, not on the cross walk, without the light.

      I know they watch Springer because they got in line for his show where it it filmed. (which is why they were crossing the street in the first place, I believe).

      August 27, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
  12. JackLM

    Creationism and so-called "Intelligent Design" are not in any way scientific theories, and thus when they are presented as such, deserve every bit of the criticism they receive. These beliefs belong in churches, not schools.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • DC

      Amen

      August 27, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • CRH

      I agree and that is also consistent with the beliefs of my church. I think some uninformed people commenting here assume that all of Christianity agree with creationism and that our position is that it should be taught in the public schools and that is not correct.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
  13. Mass Debater

    @Rick – what a disgusting bit of racism you still harbor. Thankfully your ignorance and hate will die along with you and religion for you are both unnecessary and infact greatly harmful to our planet and our childrens futures..

    August 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  14. JohnQuest

    Rick, I really do feel sorry for you. How could you even sleep peaceful with that much hate in your heart

    August 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
  15. Huebert

    Not a bad ad hominem, now let me try. Come up with a more original insult you banal dim-witted dou.che nozzle.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  16. midwest rail

    See Rick's post for proof of the hypocrisy of the modern faux Christian.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  17. EnjaySea

    Evolution has been quietly operating on this planet for billions of years, and will do so long after there are any people left to not believe in it.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Monk

      Zing!

      August 27, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Which God?

      Bingo! Nicely said, ES

      August 27, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  18. HM8432

    Bill Nye, like most atheists gets the context and basis of the argument wrong. Most Christians do believe in Evolution, as an EFFECT of God's creation. Where the disagreement comes in is how the effect was caused. Atheists think the universe was created by a catastrophic explosion with an unknown cause...unknown (and always will be if they can help it), because if they used scientific method (as logic and reason dictates), they would have to use the existence of an intelligent God as a variable in coming up with possibilities as to the outcome of their theory.

    If the 'Big Bang' theory is true, then I should be able to throw a hand grenade in a garage, shut the door, wait a while, and get that 67' Mustang I always wanted as a result! I was in the military for years, and we would blow things up weekly, and we've never seen, and never will, anything created from large explosions except large holes. We have everything natural we have around us, because God designed it that way. Evolution was the natural result that God gave species in order to help them adapt to the environment around them as needed.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • EnjaySea

      Well, it's good to hear that you have it all figured out HM8432

      August 27, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • ME II

      I think Bill Nye is arguing for science not atheism. At most he is arguing against Creationism and more specifically, Young Earth Creationism, which is a pseudo-science supposedly based on Genesis. I don't recall anywhere in the article, him arguing against religion or God.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      You are confusing evolution – change in inherited characteristics of a population over successive generations, with the Origin of the universe. And conflating it with abiogenesis.

      Both of which are wrong. Go back to schol.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:47 pm |
    • Huebert

      Your understanding of the big bang theory is laughable. I suggest a marathon of Carl Sagan's Cosmos.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      And, your second paragraph... which is a standard creationist cannard, is comparing organic living/reproducing organisms with no living/reproducing ones. Now, if the pieces of metal and such in your garage can mate, bear offspring, throughout successive generations ... nope. that wouldn't work either.

      It also ignores the level of time/wait needed. For single celled organisms to evolve into multi celled, etc.

      We can see evolution in bacteria. In some insects. In our lifetimes. We will learn more, as we continue to observe other species across multiple human generations. We've only been testing and observing evolution for 160 or so years. And we have a lot of information in that time, but by no means anything more than the tip of the iceberg.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:53 pm |
    • Colin

      HM8432's comment "If the 'Big Bang' theory is true, then I should be able to throw a hand grenade in a garage, shut the door, wait a while, and get that 67' Mustang I always wanted as a result! " lies at the crux of it.

      For so long as creationists are so woefully uninformed of the theories they disdain, any chance of pulling them out of the Bronze Age is severly ret.arded.

      August 27, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • sam

      I thought they let folks in the military either finish school, or paid for continuing education. Did that not happen in this case?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • MJB

      I think you didn't read the stats. 47% believe in straight up creationism. Many less believe in evolution put in place by God.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Jake-413451

      @HM8432,

      46% believe God created man in current fom
      32% believe God made man through evolution

      Now this next part is really difficult, but try and keep up.
      46 is more than 32.

      Now if you want to lump in the 15% who say god had no part of the process at all you need to first strip out the athiests. Depending upon the poll you follow that is 4-12% of the total. Since an athiest is excluded from the first two options that leaves you from 3-11% you can add to the god evolved group for accepting evolution. Or at most 43%

      Now again, keep up but
      46 is more 43.

      More Creationists believe in creationism than in evolution.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • Robert Warner

      "If the 'Big Bang' theory is true, then I should be able to throw a hand grenade in a garage, shut the door, wait a while, and get that 67' Mustang I always wanted as a result! I was in the military for years, and we would blow things up weekly, and we've never seen, and never will, anything created from large explosions except large holes."
      And so we are given a clear example of the complete and utter scientific ignorance of creationists. To equate a hand grenade to the big bang shows a complete inability to grasp scientific principals.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:11 pm |
    • wow

      this is so sadly misguided. i have less faith in the human race having read this post.

      the big bang theory does not state that explosions create objects. try reading up a bit on the topic before opening your mouth next time.

      August 27, 2012 at 1:14 pm |
    • zackywacky

      In ten thousand years?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Joey

      So HM8432, everything you see around you and in the universe had to be created by someone, such as God. Who created God?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
    • Which God?

      HM8432. Uh, those 'large holes you are talking about? They would be between your ears, right?

      August 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • RoyBatty

      In the conversations of explosions, well you mayu have knowledge about common explosives you CLEARLY have NO knowledge of explosions in space. In fact your working knowledge of scinece is laughable. You cannot make some goof ball analogy and expect those who truly seek understanding the nature of the universe and not be considered a fool. Real science, nont silly metaphors. Really read real scinetific journals and text books. Then, if you are really looking beyond what you know you may learn something. Or perhaps what really happened is not what you are interested in and you are just one more uneducated shrill chrisitan loonies. who would force your reli\gion upon others like the Taliban. Good luck, you need it.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • szerin

      "I was in the military for years..." OK, that largely explains your myopic understanding of science. I cannot fathom how you can actually believe your "hand grenade" analogy, as it follows no discernible line of logic and completely ignores some truly fundamental physical laws, such as the second law of thermodynamics. As I think was said earlier, you cannot apply your reasoning to a non-living system. It makes zero sense.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Chelle

      No where does Bill Nye say he is an athiest. Many scientists believe in a god – they just believe that evolution took place not a six day wonderous creation.

      Details, details, details.

      August 27, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • JIM

      HM, you are the best. Your second paragraph made me piss my pants. Thanks for the post!

      August 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • uhh..

      It seems you misunderstand two important concepts:

      The argument of a "First Mover" falls aparts when you consider that explaning the ignition of the universe by an intelligent creator requires the creator to already exist (where did he come from?) Intelligence requires complexity, so in essence you are trying to explain something as complex as the origin of the universe by introducing an being which can exist extra-dimensionally and has intelligence, which does not at all solve the problem, but introduces the concept of higher-dimensional intelligence, which has never even been suggested by the data.

      Secondly, you fail to understand the second law of thermodynamics. The universe moves from order to disorder, you cannot throw a 'grenade into a garage and get a mustang'. Because the mustang is highly ordered while the exploision is not. The term 'Big Bang' is probably a misnomer, becuase it makes you think of a simple explosion, but the Big Bang was much more than an explosion, it was a rapid expansion in time and dimensionality in which the entire contents of the current universe was released from being a 0 dimensional point

      August 28, 2012 at 10:06 am |
  19. ME II

    No one evolved from monkeys... however monkeys and humans do have a common ancestor.

    August 27, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  20. Reality

    As per National Geographic’s Genographic project:

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    August 27, 2012 at 12:40 pm |
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