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Bill Nye slams creationism
August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET

Bill Nye slams creationism

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."

"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday.  The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.

Nye - a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" - said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."

"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.

Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States.  Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution.  Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years.  In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine.  But don't make your kids do it.  Because we need them.  We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.  We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.

Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.

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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge."  Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859.  By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist.  There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Creationism • Science

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  1. AverageJoe76

    I totally agree with Nye, and I've been believing the same thing for some time now;

    "I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it. Because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," – Bill Nye.

    Abuse, miseducation, neglect....... all contributing factors to ruining the greatest resource humans have.... their children. We ruin them, we basically F'd ourselves for generations to come. Teach them well. Teach them right.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • brisso

      "completely inconsistent with the world we observe"...name one thing that has evolved in our lifetime??? Name one thing that has evolved in the last 100 years? Not cross-bred, but evolved without human intervention? Science has done some amazing things, no doubt, but it has also had some monumental f'ups and is constantly proving itself wrong. The problem with science is that it's origins are from the minds of humans.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      There's proof brisso, you just haven't looked for it. There are countless examples of evolution at play. There's a fish (idk the name) in the Congo river that has taken different evolutionary paths due to the strong currents in the river. They branched off each other, each having different mouths to feed on different things, but basically, they came from one type of fish.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
    • ME II

      @brisso,
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria
      http://myxo.css.msu.edu/ecoli/

      August 27, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
    • Larry Pooface

      Brisso:
      Dogs
      Cats
      Chickens
      Elephants-some now breet without tusks because the ones with tusks are hunted.
      Cows
      Horses
      Do you really think a Lopso Apso (forgive the spelling) existed 10,000 years ago as it's own breed?
      Forget what you have been told about evolution, it has been mischaracterized to keep you believing in a "dumb god" who does not need to use science, but snap its fingers. God can be intelligent and use science at the same time.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:58 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      @Brisso
      If you want to see evolution in action in a time frame as small as 100 years, you'll have to observe bacteria and virri.
      Why do you think we are now dealing with anti-biotic resistant strains of bacteria?
      Evolution doesn't occur in leaps and bounds. GRADUALISM is one of the 4 Laws of the Theory of Evolution.
      However, those who believe the earth is 10000 years old are literally incapable of conceptualizing the time frames required for visible changes to occur.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • Doc Vestibule

      Sorry – 5 laws in the Theory of Evolution.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • ME II

      Oh Doc, better hope Chad's not around. : )

      August 27, 2012 at 4:29 pm |
    • brisso

      That's the problem with your kind pooface. You turning something into an argument, that in person would turn into a screaming match. Pigs a.. elephants don't grow tusks because they're hunted. Now that you've lowered yourself to calling my God a 'dumb God", which is actually you calling me dumb for believing, I extend my middle finger in your direction and move it up and down numerous times! As for God using science, he does and he has. He also gave man a gift and it's called "free will" and that's why he doesn't interfere and lets bobble-heads like you keep on the path you're on. Keep the blinders on and only believe what you can see in pictures.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:31 pm |
  2. Eric

    Bill is pulling the "If I scream louder than anyone else, eventually, it'll sound like the majority agrees with me" approach. Sad thing is people fall for that stunt all the time....

    August 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • AverageJoe76

      No. He's shining light on a problem. Neglect it if you want, he's dead-on.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Elaine

      Priests and evangelists have used the technique for centuries to defraud the stupid.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • Sagian

      Yeah, right. That's what he's doing.

      Just like if he yells "2+2=4" loud enough, the majority will agree with him.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Eric

      Oh, I agree about evangelists leading those wrong, but isn't Bill using the same tatic? The real issue is not evolution happened or not. The real issue is there a God or not. Matter came from some where...

      August 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Craw

      God is not the issue. Evolution isn't even the major issue. The larger point is that science works and it helps us make the world a better place. When we teach our children to deny what science and observation has to tell us, we are setting them up for failure. Mr. Nye is bringing up evolution as a key example in denying what science has to tell us about the world. If you are going to be an engineer, you need to understand and put trust in the scientific method.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:49 pm |
    • Larry Pooface

      Eric:

      God can use science.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • brisso

      I'm afraid you're only half right, Craw. I believe it was scientists who invented to nuclear bomb etc...the list is fairly extensive actually. Science has a habit of introducing something that causes issues somewhere else.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:05 pm |
  3. solex

    There is no God – never has been and never will be.

    God did not create man in his own image – it was the other way around.

    The reason that the Cultists think the world is six thousand years old is because that is when recorded history began.

    The earth is 4 billion years old. Man has only been on it for just over 2 million years – less than 1/100th of 1 percent of the time.

    The dinosaurs ran the planet for 30 million years. We will not get that far. Either we will destroy ourselves, or nature will select us for extinction.

    I am thinking it will be the bug's turnm to run the planet after we are gone. I bet their god will look like a bug.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • Jerry

      Man, you don't have anything to look forward to.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Elaine

      Neither do you, Jerry. Better get your life right while you have one.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • solex

      No Jerry – I just do not think that my views on the Universe matter to anyone but me. This foolish need to feel like some "Supreme Being" created the universe just for us is hubris beyond the imagination.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Jose lopez

      Any one who believes in Evolution..why for almost a century evolutionary thinkers fail to convert everyone into believing in their suppose facts...Why hasn't evolution explain how nothing created life of everything? Evolution is observation, then observe life from nothing. Science fails because of the simple fact that it can't explain where everything came from. the Age of earth if you go by carbon dating is in billions... so if you know carbon...it is FLAWED...yes google it if you don't believe...science itself has proven its flaw...so tell me why you believe flaws instead of accepting the fact MAN cannot create anything. We are only innovators..we mix things that already exists for those who can't see why man is not a creator. Till man can use nothing and create life of something either dead or living then we can say science is factual till then creation and evolution are theories and beliefs that are not worth arguing about. God as of now is the supreme creator and we will meet him in death. Have fun you who fear dying cause it will be a good time.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • Larry Pooface

      Jose:

      We don't have all of the answers, but whe have the part of the answer that explains evolution. Because science cannot answer that part, perfectly, yet, you decide to go with magic; and, that we are all stupid because we don't believe in magic. Not the best strategy. Keep an open mind and try to imagine a smart god who uses the science we have discovered. Science is the study of our world; we're no making this stuff up to anger the creationists.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • brisso

      Pooface...you said it. You don't have all the answers...and science never will. Science is a man-made thing and that right there puts holes in it all. Christians can find all the answers...it's written in the Book.

      Elaine – we believe that this life is not what it's all about, so getting a life now doesn't mean squat. Doing the right thing in this life is very important. If I'm wrong, it won't matter, I'll just become an empty shell for a worm farm and folks like you can say I told you so. If you're wrong, you have an awful lot to be worried about, because this life is just a grain of sand in one big hourglass.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:11 pm |
    • Jose lopez

      Larry Pooface,
      Creationism has the answers, it's wether you accept to believe it or not. Science is no different a magic show than creationism. Lets say sperm meets eggs-> by science logic they always create life...then why is it that failure exist in such a simple form. Yea that's right having kids are a miracle that not even science can create a perfect explanation or create a control environment where eggs and sperms always make child...so science use the thing called flaws, to explain why their mechanism fails. Creationism or any religion gives the same ideal but they say if god wants you to have a child you will be given a child by using god's gifts. Simple...fixes all the flaws...have faith and when god deems you capable you can have a child...but science want's to take credit...Yea it fails that's why you got octomom...stupid science need luck...wonder what that's called..probability... So yea magic of science is they try to increase their probability by forcing it down people's throats in school to make the agenda seem logical but for some reason they fail...it's empirical failure.
      " Keep an open mind and try to imagine a smart god who uses the science we have discovered." and you talk about magic guess my mind needs to be wide open for me to suck up your falsehoods. .."Science is the study of our world; we're no making this stuff up to anger the creationists." yea then why does it conflict..if you're not trying to debunk creationism why does it...see your agenda is false just as a person who believes in creationism. truth and lies are construed by observation because no one thinks the same. everyone thinks depending on their belief and education. But those who follow education without questioning are the sheep of leaders. I can tell you I don't believe everything in the bible or in the science book but science fails easily compared to the idea of GOD as the creator. Because if a define being created all from nothing then that explains why we have senses that can't be explained. but for man to claim they created anything name one thing man has created without nature's influence or without using nature or god's tools...so by just that sentence man is not a creator. We are innovators. Simple as that. we use what god give us. Failures and success exist for us to know right from wrong, good from bad. It builds that system of acceptance and rejection that science cannot perfect.

      August 27, 2012 at 8:38 pm |
  4. Tscott

    It is amazing how many people interject their beliefs in this topic that really have no idea what evolution is or what it means. First page of posts is full of hate, ignorance and bias towards their precious belief system.

    I have no doubt that religious people can be engineers, however. So find some fault in Bill's statements. Though I think his point is more along the lines of we should teach our children to be critical thinkers and not just believe things because they are told they'll go to Hell if they dont. Evolution has evidence in the form of fossil records and explains, accurately, human biological history.

    The assumption by so many people here that science is somehow out to get you or for whatever reason lie to you is just silly. The same could be said about religion though I'm sure they would never suffer such an insult. Though obviously they are happy to give it out without evidence.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
    • Jose lopez

      @Tscott, every few years scientist find fossils that disprove other fossils' claims...ever heard of plaster...it is hard like bone and dense...you can create any bone-line creature and if the public is dumb enough they would flock to it as long as it sells books and other merchandise. Funny how all these Evolution stories didn't get mention in the renaissance period..or the middle ages, didn't see any great painter painting dinosaurs..LMAO...fact is you creative thinkers put your imagination together and came up wit your own crappy excuse...it doesn't work cause evolution fails to explain who created the first creation..or creator of itself for that matter. no big bang didn't create..big bangs destroy things...get your facts of science right.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:10 pm |
  5. God

    That's ok, I don't believe in any of you either!

    August 27, 2012 at 3:22 pm |
  6. Sean K

    check out the video UNLOCKING th MYSTERY of LIFE on google video. this is one of dozens of videos with actual evidence and not just idle pontification. If you have have a shred of intellectual integrity then u with jump from nye and his kinds ship and embrace TRUTH. Evolution = a fairy tale for grownups or a religion, take your pick.

    Sorry, I don't have enough faith to be an atheist especially in light of the FACTS.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • Elaine

      Sean K, if you can't elaborate with points that can be considered, then don't bother posting.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • this guy

      evolution = fairy tale for grownups or a religion???

      that don't make no sense
      – Chip Chipperson

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Sean K

      watch the movie, its an hour long full of points and facts you have probably never heard of due to mans constant oppression of truth. Also NO Intelligence Allowed by Ben Stein is pretty good as well.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • Reba

      what Facts? YOu can't prove or disprove the existence of God. It's blasphemy even to try.That's why it's called faith. Nye says nothing about existence of god one way or the other. As a scientist, I believe in evidence-based teaching. So let's "teach the controversy":
      evidence for evolution – fills several libraries
      evidence for creationsim – none
      There, we're done

      August 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • donna

      Evolution is a directly observable process that happens every single time someone is born or dies. It requires no faith or belief. It's happening all around you.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
  7. I liek turtles

    God I pray that you settle this debate once and for all. Show us that evolution is false. Reveal to us any of these truths that would smite this false belief:

    Mutations do not occur.
    But if they do occur, they are never heritable.
    But if they can be heritable, they cannot be used for selective pressure.
    But if they can be selected for, it doesn't matter, because you Lord love all and everything gets an equal chance of making babies.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • solex

      Why is "God" only concerned with Human Babies. We are just one of many species on this planet.

      This need to have "God" validate your belief systems only proves to me that he does not exist. Stop asking "God" for answers and find them for yourself.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • I liek turtles

      solex, you sir/madam need better reading comprehension skills. Never once did I mention HUMAN babies. All babies are precious, from the newly budded yeast cell to the majestic calves of the beluga whale.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:47 pm |
  8. MF

    With all due respect to Mr. Nye's celebrity, he is making the huge, and i dare say, unprovable, leap from not believing in "evolution" (defined in the sense in which most of the argumentation in these comments is focused upon) and some lack of ability to move forward technologically. I am a Ph.D. scientist working in biology. I do research all the time, and have published more than 50 papers in secular, peer-reviewed scientific journals. I am also a Bible believing Christian and do not hold to the evolutionary dogma. I and most Christians I know would affirm that life adapts (often termed "microevolution") to changing conditions (e.g., a bacterial becoming resistant to an antibiotic so it is no longer effective), but that one form of life does not change into another as evolutionism demands for the creation of new species.

    Mr Nye's comments are not reasonable. Please stop and think about it: what critical areas of science/technology are critically undergirded by evolution? NONE! Certainly not any of the non-biology engineering or electronic fields. Medicine? – NO. Finding cures to disease does not REQUIRE you believe in evolution (remember, there is not much denial of adaptation or "microevolution"). The only real science that requires an evolutionary foundation are the paleo-sciences... and how much do they contribute to "society" or "technological advances", other than providing material for Science Channel shows? And even in that case, you can still do research into how ancient lifeforms looked and lived without having to create an evolutionary tree to assess lineages.

    Mr. Nye makes a false claim that good science and a belief in evolution are inseparable. As a scientist, I reject that claim.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Colin

      can u point us to one of your published, peer reviewed articles?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
    • sharoom

      Then as a scientist, I guide you to review the literature on directed evolution technologies for developing new pharmaceutical drugs. In particular, you should read up on phage display and its impact on modern medicine.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • johndanger

      Thankyou.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • pn

      Did God plant the fossil record to confuse us into believing earth is older than 10000 years?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Aiglos

      Links or it didn't happen...

      You say you have a Ph.D. in biology? From what university and who did you study under? Microevolution is STILL evolution - on a different timescale. Stephen Gould has already offered the alternative of punctuated equilibrium and that didn't fly either. The world around us, from a geophysical perspective, is absolute and unequivocal proof of deep time. If you're a "Bible believing Christian" as you profess, and a Ph.D. scientist, who should absolutely be able to see the evidence of deep time all around you...then you're either in unequivocal denial or you're not a very well-trained or analytical scientist.

      There is no wide discussion about this in the scientific community-at-large; there is no ongoing debate. There is an incredibly small minority (at last count about 700 of some 480,000 biological and geological scientists working in the US - according to Pew in 2010) who adhered to ANY form of creationist belief. And even among those who do hold to a creationist view, OLD EARTH creationism that accepts evolution as the underlying mechanism of human adaptation PREDOMINATES.

      While that may not hold true within the public, it certainly does in the scientific community. YEC folk are a radical fringe who don't avail themselves of SCIENCE or the scientific method.

      In fact, it's exactly the opposite. They ALREADY have the conclusion, and they're trying to manipulate the data in such a way as to make that conclusion tenable.

      That's not how REAL science works...

      August 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • IslandAtheist

      "Belief in evolution"? Evolution isn't a "belief", it's supported by empirical evidence.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Ted

      I seriously doubt your science credentials.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • donna

      If you had the experience you claim to, you would know that microevolution, and macroevolution, are dated and inaccurate terms to use for today's understanding of evolutionary processes. Speciation occurs from what you call "microevolutionary" processes that result in reproductive isolation. So, if you "believe" in microevolutionary processes, then you would believe in speciation. Reproductive isolation is no mystery and requires no further explanation than the rest of the results from evolutionary processes do.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • truebob

      As soon as you need to "harmonize" your beliefs with scientific evidence, you lose all credibility. Either you have been teaching the truth or you have been teaching something made up. The scientific evidence and anecdotal observations presented to me make a lot more sense than any biblical teaching in the subject ever has. 100 years from now creationism will be no different than voo doo.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • bob

      This is complete BS. You dont have to dig to far to see surveys that show more education a person has the more likely they are to understand the universe and find creation mythologies comical. I am linking a fun one about religiosity and intelligence 100% of people with IQs be low 90 believe in god once you get over about 130 only about 20% believe.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

      August 27, 2012 at 3:39 pm |
    • Reba

      Do you believe that the earth is 4.5 billion years old or that the universe is 15 billion years old? Refusal to believe in science is not limited to just biology. why are there no dinosaur remains after 65 million years ago? I could go on but I know you will stubbornly refuse to listen. It's a mental illness, really.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:40 pm |
    • sharoom

      Actually, humans have engaged in the application of evolution ever since we developed agriculture. Our simple act of picking out the strongest animals to breed and the hardiest crops to plant is a nod to the power of evolution whether we understood it or not.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:41 pm |
    • Lorraine

      So, someone can claim that they are a mathematician/engineer/etc. and get no questions if they claim to be atheist? Just because MF doesn't want you to go trolling on his/her university homepage or finding his/her email address doesn't mean he/she is not a scientist. Two of the best scientists I know have strong Christian faith which DOES NOT impact their ability to be a scientist. I am a botanist at the University of California, Riverside and I have two peer reviewed papers out. Also, I am a Christian. While I subscribe to a more old earth philosophy, believing in spontaneous creation does not stop your ability to think analytically about the world. Perhaps it may limit some scientists, such as those working in longer timeframes (geologists, paleoecologists, etc.) but it does not affect anyone's ability to logically work out scientific problems and ask clear questions about the world around them. Believing in something does not suddenly turn off your brain or make you unable to do complex math. That is ignorant and bigoted to believe. I agree with Bill Nye that we should be teaching children evolutionary concepts in school. But, their parents are ALSO free to share their beliefs with them.

      I chose my beliefs. My parents are much more conservative than me and are 6 day creationists. My father is an accomplished Chemist, my mother an accountant. They encouraged me to question everything and seek out truth and I still believe in God. Though the scientific community is often populated by those who choose agnosticism or atheism, Christians/Muslims/Buddhists are still part of this community. Seriously, stop treating people of religious faiths like they are somehow flawed intellectually. We can participate in serious scientific discourse without suddenly losing our faith just because someone disagrees on how life began.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • Lorraine

      Also, in response to Bob: I have an IQ of 140. Not bragging, just saying that correlation does not equal causation.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:08 pm |
    • MF

      [i guess to keep my response in line, i reply to myself]

      i was not posting to get into an argument of creation v. evolution. i was posting to ask you to think critically about Nye's claim that if we don't all embrace evolutionary thinking we will not advance technologically. The theory of evolution is just not critical to doing good science in the sense of science that will advance living standards, find cures for diseases, etc.

      i was using the terms "micro" and "macro" evolution as they are more widely used in these discussions. whatever terms you want to use, it doesn't change the fact that even the most ardent "creationist" does believe that life is able to adapt. with that, all the work in medicine, agriculture, etc. (directed breeding, directed protein engineering, etc.) is not an issue. it is clear that Nye is saying (to paraphrase) that if one does not accept (macro)evolution in the biggest sense one cannot do good science. i flatly deny that, as well as i am sure do also all those in the past and present who are involved with scientific research but who do not accept (macro)evolution.

      however, just as you did to another poster above, you immediately start attacking me personally and professionally. NO, i will not give you a list of my publications, nor tell you where i got my degrees, as I I am sure some of you would try to find out my personal information and come after me in other ways (not paranoid, just cautious). if you can't take me at my word that I am a scientist, then that is your problem, and it really has no bearing on the validity of my comment.

      August 27, 2012 at 4:25 pm |
    • sharoom

      No MF, Nye's argument is not that evolution is essential in all disciplines of science. His point is that rejecting the scientific evidence for evolution (variation, heritability, and selection) in favor of creationism is tantamount to rejecting the scientific method itself. Picking and choosing what experimental evidence is telling you is not good science.

      August 27, 2012 at 8:22 pm |
    • donna

      MF, the terms micro and macro matter completely in your whole discussion because it's the difference between making arguments based on evidence and making arguments based on traditional beliefs. The evidence tells us that there is no difference between the adaptive change that you call microevolution and that you claim most people have no problem with, and change that causes speciation. The entire argument for most people who deny evolution rests on that point.

      Evidence matters. Current knowledge matters.

      August 27, 2012 at 8:50 pm |
    • Aiglos

      I don't think anyone is posing the notion that "atheists" get a pass when they make claims on their credentials.

      The caveat is this, though: when an atheistic scientist makes claims he or she, almost without fail, agrees to the social and intellectual contract that exists between scientists and regular people. Laypeople trust or distrust scientists based on their credentialed expertise AND their willingness to submit themselves to the scrutiny of OTHER EXPERTS in their fields.

      So when you claim that you won't link to publications, etc. that only proves one thing: You're aware that your view is a highly suspect, highly scrutinized, widely criticized view and you're either a) afraid of what your peers will say or b) that your professional reputation is in danger.

      Those are both understandable fears...

      But that isn't the problem...

      It's entirely possible to hold contradictory notions in our minds - we do this all the time. The doctor who tells his clients not to give children sugar because it makes them hyper (because he or she has witnessed this seeming reaction in his or her own children) all the while knowing that there is a TREMENDOUS amount of clinical science that says this correlation is pure myth.

      The point is that creationists DEFY scientific methodology. They ASSUME a conclusion and then review various strings of data and cherry pick aspects of the data that seem to uphold THEIR conclusion. They are the worst type of isolationists. People like Jason Lisle are a prime example of this - last year he "published" his paper on the infamous "starlight problem" which a) isn't a new problem and b) doesn't pose any sort of new insight into a "problem" that astrophysicists have ALREADY solved and reached concensus on.

      Basically, he took a problem that isn't a problem any longer (and hasn't been for about four decades) and tried to re-establish it as a "problem."

      Creationists don't conduct science; they engage in CONFIRMATION BIAS with scientific language.

      Look at Behe and irreducible complexity. It's been proven time and again that there are numerous components of the bacterial flagellum that have ABSOLUTELY viable function even in isolation. Yet he persists in saying this isn't possible. The property of flight and how its expressed in bees versus avian species is another example...

      I could go on and on...

      The point is, SCIENCE, at its base, says, "We don't have the answer; let's experiment, generate data, and then we'll see if the answers we derive match up with our hypothesis."

      Creationists say, "We don't NEED a hypothesis because we already have a conclusion - let's see if we can find some data to support it from the data that already exists."

      It's utterly ridiculous to propose that creation science is any kind of science at all...

      August 28, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
  9. Lucy

    It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does to believe in creationism. I've studied both and creationism is the ONLY answer to gravity, butterflies, our eyeball, water, etc., etc., etc. If there is creation, there is a Creator.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Colin

      oh bullsh.it.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Lucy

      Creationism is the only answer to gravity and water????

      Bwaaa Haaa Haaa – that was funny. OK, I get butterflies, but simple chemistry like H2O is under question in your world-view? And gravity?

      Your ignorance of science is astounding.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • solex

      So much easier to say "God created it" rather than make the effort to come up with a plausible explanation eh?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
    • donna

      Who created your creator then? Oh right, you can't try to answer that or you will self-destruct.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • sbp

      OK, I'll bite. If god created an eyeball, tell me how. And not "he lifteth his arm and commandeth, let there be an eyeball." You've STUDIED this, so clearly, that could not be an acceptable explanation. If you are going to accept God creating an eyeball as fact, but dismiss an evolutionary pathway for it, you must have a plausible mechanism you can point to. What is it?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • ilvpitz

      Yes ma'am!!

      August 27, 2012 at 3:33 pm |
    • PhDinTraining

      Did you actually learned Evolution from a trained professional or did you read some pamphlet made by a creationist group? I took 4 evolutionary biology classes and 5 Christian Theology classes as an undergrad, I am now working on a PhD. I still don't understand how and why the religious people get so offended by Evolution. Evolution does not discredit the existence of a higher being. If anything else Scientists and evolutionary biologists do a better Job of showing highlighting God's Brilliant creation rather than making God look like a manic, petty, bi-polar being as it does in the bible.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:37 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @PhDinTraining

      Yours is a reasoned viewpoint and one held by 32% of American adults.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:45 pm |
  10. tesa

    I'd like to say ... oh, nevermind.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • Sean K

      u funny tesa

      August 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
  11. LookAndSEE

    To ReasonableXX
    Tell me how does modern biology and medicine depend on it.
    Give me some facts while u're at it !!

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      Learn to use the 'reply' link.
      Learn to spell and construct actual sentences while you're at it.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  12. Porphyrogenitus

    How depressing it is to read this litany of idiocy. I'm with Nye...America is doomed. Please don't vote these people into office....oops too late!

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
  13. Jim

    Show me a transitional creature or even a one celled organizm that is in flux from one form to the other form. Show me another planet with life forms such as man or something a little smarter-It doesnt exist. We are a unique, a creatation not evolved. The Big bang will be when man blows himself up.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Horus

      There are transitional fossils in museums. There are vestigal organs in living creatures including humans which prove evolution. Human embryos have gill slits. Whales have pelvis bones with undeveloped femurs. More proof? Horses. Domesticated dogs – we (humans) breed dogs for specific purposes. No god created the various breeds of dogs – humans did. Just like they created gods.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • sam

      Gosh Jim, you tried!

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Cody

      What? There are more than a few fossils that show in between. Also we've been able to breed flies and breed traits out of them. That's all the proof I need. If we can prove it on a small scale...then how hard is it to understand how it would work on a large ?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • Which God?

      Hey nutjob. How come you have a usless appendex? The remmnant of a 'tailbone? How about you usless tonsills? Come on boy, wake up. You are vestigal and evolving. Wait... I Lied. You are stuck in the bronze age. Sorry. Carry on, dummy.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • child of midian

      Bacteria, virus's. That's the fastest evidence. If they didn't evolve they would not have grown resistant to medications that once eradicated them. Also many species of insect are evolving each generation to be resistant to pesticides. Humans evolve by climate, children born several generations in cold climates show evolutionary adaptations to live in those climates, same with those in hot ones. Also humans are on average taller than 100 years ago. You say point to evidence, I say it's all around you, look.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
    • subman

      Wow Jim, I'm almost at a loss for words that a man of religion, a man of FAITH is asking for proof? You take an entire story written by a man, the worlds oldest version of telephone and you blindly believe it, whole hearted. But then ask for scientific proof, which does exists, and require it to be proven even more. Why are you asking for reasons to question your faith?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  14. John

    This Creationism business is so ridiculous that I'm not sure I understand it correctly. Are the Bible thumpers asserting that the old bearded guy nailed to a cross is the same creature that created the universe and everything within it?! And in only six days?!

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Which God?

      Yeah, god rested on the seveth day, then nailed his son to the cross later the same day. He was bored.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
  15. patriottony

    If I do in fact believe in creationism, how in the world does that threaten evolution? How does one single person in SC, condem all other thought? I can't see it! What are you going to do, if they actually validate the Ark? Are evolutionists going to claim, little holy men snuck up there and built one, then buried it in the galcier? Really? I'm not forcing my point on you at all. In fact it's the Atheists that get all drooly and rabid, that somebody actually has a different opion than themselves.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • sam

      Are you kidding? The Ark, really?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:28 pm |
    • Cody

      Simple, it causes you to have warped views on things, instead of realistic ones.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:29 pm |
    • child of midian

      You speak of opinions we speak of fact. We find examples, point to them and you say, naw, stick with my opinion thank you. That's the thing, you have your beliefs but they are half-handed arguments that can bear no scrutiny and always end in "my faith" or "my beliefs" or "its what the bible says." Your denial of evolution means you probably wont vote for someone who doesn't share it and will oppose people who work in direct conflict to it. You'll teach your children to share your ignorance and scold them if they argue and they will fight with others who don't believe and that causes conflict. You think it such a small thing, but small things grow - they evolve - into larger issues/

      August 27, 2012 at 3:36 pm |
    • karl

      Us atheists only enjoy proving idiots wrong.... Yepp the ark existed, held two of every creature, had refrigeration units, was the size of a state and not one of the predators became hungry. Do you ever listen to the slop that exits your face.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
  16. John

    Whatever you may say about it, evolution isn't science. Science is what one can prove through repeated experiments in the present. Since we can't go back into the past, there is no way to determine for sure what happended then. And even if science could create a living cell in a test tube, that would be no proof that this was actually how life began. It would simply suggest the possibility. Indeed it might only reveal that the lower intelligence of man recreated what a Higher Intelligence previously created.

    Yes, it is is true that science has created the "building blocks" of life in the laboratory. But what in nature could have possibly assembled those blocks into the exceeding complexity that is the simplest actual life? You might as well set off bombs in a billion junkyards and expect to find, even just once, once a fully-assembled and functioning automobile.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:19 pm |
    • Cody

      Yeah lets disregard us breed traits out of fruit flies. They have a short life span and you can breed many generations very fast. Lets just take that example and get rid of it...along with the mountains of other evidence.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • John P. Tarver

      It is interesting how Darwin created his own "scientific method" to hide the fact that Evolution was never a theory at all.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:01 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It is interesting that you survived childhood, Johnny. Most micro-cephalic infants never reach their first birthdays.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:03 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      and tom tom knows one year olds cause that's the level of science it gets from its favoooooorite science guy.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      And chrissie is a hermaphrodite; he's just missing most of his penis.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:10 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      tom tom learned the p word from watching its favoooooooooooooorite science guy. maybe thats not its thumb in its mouth?

      August 31, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Guess I left a mark.

      It's ok, Chrissie. You're just a kid. No one expects you to be perfect.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:14 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      Did you leave a mark? shame on you tom tom ! sure enough there is a wet spot on the rug where you were watching your favoooooorite science guy.

      August 31, 2012 at 9:17 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Aww, chrissie, don't be so modest! We can all see how brilliant you are! That's why you have your own TV show!

      Oh, wait....

      August 31, 2012 at 9:20 pm |
  17. BigDog

    Another atheist trying so hard to disprove the very existence of God. In a few more decades,you will be gone Mr. Nye, and God will still be here, the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • bigdil

      No. Just trying to prove that creationism is a doctrine made up by those whose religion, for what ever reason, makes them fear scientific truth.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • gager

      Please learn how to reason. You can't prove the nonexistence of anything. The burden of proof lies on those who claim there is a god, and they can't.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • KTM

      The biblical creation story, if taken literally, is completely ridiculous. As is Noah and the flood, raising the dead, parting the Red Sea, virgin birth, etc. etc. The idea that so many people take it seriously when they know so little about the orgins of the stories (i.e. who wrote them and when) is shocking. Magical thinking and mass stupidity.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • NavyDave

      I didn't see that in the article, BigDog. He merely states that the creationist theory is bunk and that there is no evidence to support it. There is room for belief in God and modern science. There's just no room for creationism.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
    • Mike

      We create our own reality based on our experiences and interaction with the world. The only reason you believe in God is because the notion of God was part of the paradigm in which you've grown up in. That's it.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  18. jon

    Yes, and the loch ness monster, the tooth fairy, santa and big foot exist...unless you can prove they don't exist.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • DJL

      Science 101: you cannot prove that something does not exist, therefore in order to KNOW that something exists, it MUST first be proven. What this means is that the burden of proof for the existence of something rests with the person(s) making the claim for existence.

      August 27, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
  19. Qwerty

    ANOTHER creation/evolution discussion????? HONESTLY!!!!! This goes nowhere so stop trying to make people believe whatever it is you believe. People will come to SOME conclusion no matter what. None of us will ever know the truth until we die and go wherever it is we will go. Its just too bad we cant throw it in the correct face that deserves it. The only thing I have to interject here is this....you cannot look out into the heavens without knowing SOMEONE had a hand in it. YES someone it didn't just spring into being. Someone had to have something to do with it. But we wont know who or what until the appropriate time. So shut up already.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
  20. Anon

    I already knew 70% of the population in the US were morons, the poll now confirms it. No wonder we are becoming a second rate country.

    August 27, 2012 at 3:18 pm |
    • MQ1968

      How did you come up with that number (70%)?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm |
    • Consequence

      You don't make any sense...if anything, we have more atheists today than before and if we are becoming a second class country, it cannot be because there are more creationists...could it be because we have more atheists?

      August 27, 2012 at 3:25 pm |
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