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Bill Nye slams creationism
August 27th, 2012
11:31 AM ET

Bill Nye slams creationism

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–Famed TV scientist Bill Nye is slamming creationism in a new online video for Big Think titled "Creationism Is Not Appropriate For Children."

"Denial of evolution is unique to the United States," Nye begins in a YouTube video posted on Thursday.  The video quickly picked up steam over the weekend and as of Monday morning had been viewed more than 1,100,000 times.

Nye a mechanical engineer and television personality best known for his program, "Bill Nye the Science Guy" said the United States has great capital in scientific knowledge and "when you have a portion of the population that doesn't believe in it, it holds everyone back."

"Your world becomes fantastically complicated if you don't believe in evolution," Nye said in the Web video.

Creationists are a vast and varied group in the United States.  Most creationists believe in the account of the origins of the world as told in the Book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible.

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In the creation account, God creates Adam and Eve, the world, and everything in it in six days.

For Christians who read the Genesis account literally, or authoritatively as they would say, the six days in the account are literal 24-hour periods and leave no room for evolution.  Young Earth creationists use this construct and biblical genealogies to determine the age of the Earth, and typically come up with 6,000 to 10,000 years.

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The Gallup Poll has been tracking Americans' views on creation and evolution for the past 30 years.  In June it released its latest findings, which showed 46% of Americans believed in creationism, 32% believed in evolution guided by God, and 15% believed in atheistic evolution.

During the 30 years Gallup has conducted the survey, creationism has remained far and away the most popular answer, with 40% to 47% of Americans surveyed saying they believed that God created humans in their present form at one point within the past 10,000 years.

Survey: Nearly half of Americans subscribe to creationist view of human origins

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye said in the video.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine.  But don't make your kids do it.  Because we need them.  We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future.  We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems," he said.

Creationists' beliefs about the origins of the Earth are often a narrow focus, based in large part on religious beliefs, and while they reject evolution as "just one theory," they often embrace other fields of science and technology.

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In "The Genesis Flood," the 1961 book that in many ways help launch the Young Earth creationism movement in the United States, the authors write: “Our conclusions must unavoidably be colored by our Biblical presuppositions, and this we plainly acknowledge."  Their goal for the book was to harmonize the scientific evidence with the accounts in Genesis of creation and the flood.

The idea of creationism has been scorned by the mainstream scientific community since shortly after Darwin introduced "The Origin of Species" in 1859.  By 1880, The American Naturalists, a science journal, reported nearly every major university in America was teaching evolution.

"In another couple centuries I'm sure that worldview won't even exist.  There's no evidence for it. So..." Nye ends his video.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Creationism • Science

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  1. Anon

    Strange how as the quality of american education declines, the belief in creationism goes up. I'm not saying evolution is right, because it is just a theory, but a book written 2000 years ago by people who didn't understand the first thing about science should not be the basis for what is considered fact.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Evolution is a scientific fact.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Gadflie

      "Just a theory"? You should learn what the word "theory" means in science. Theory is as good as it gets.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      And sience is nothing more than a medium to reach truth of matters, Not a source.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  2. Chuck

    The day that science and spirituality find common ground will be a huge advance for man. As long as we keep putting our trust in ancient texts and believe them literally, then we can never move forward as a species or as a country.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • brad

      17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

      18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

      19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

      20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

      21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

      22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

      23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

      24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

      25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
  3. yanic

    Mathematics proves evolution impossible.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Elaborate.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Not unless you are totally ignorant of statistics. But, Creationists rely on that.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Chuck

      Name the mathematician who said that..

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • mack

      yanic: keep grasping. you're all in with your one million chips and holding 8 over 3. you're done.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  4. brad

    Moby....their churches are in every mall.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      brad, don't be a fvcking moron. EVERY president has been a christian and almost all politicians are. Which politician has ever touted Tooth Fairy belief as a guiding force in his life and worked to prove to Tooth Fairy believers that he has their best interests at heart. You can lie to me, but don't lie to yourself and baby jesus.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
  5. speakout77

    Seriously? Nothing new in his comments. Just another evolutionists telling lies. Denial of evolution is not unique to the United States. What complete hogwash. Rather than rip skeptics evolutionists should provide more than CHERRY PICKING support for its failed theory.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Can you please translate this into understandable English? Thanks in advance.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • mack

      speak: so you literally believe that two people, adam and eve, were the first two humans on earth and every other human since then came from them? even in the wake of leaders of the christian faith calling this belief outdated. oh....ok.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:13 am |
  6. DocD

    "His yoke is easy and his burthen is light."

    And that's the problem. Math and science are hard. It's much easier to turn off your brain and [not] think like a creationist mush-head.

    That's why this country can't produce the scientists and engineers it needs.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
  7. rp421

    "How can anyone say evolution is a fact, when they cannot dispute a single word in the Bible? The Bible can in parts be tested scientifically, and yet it stands firm as undeniably TRUE!"

    All I see above is a total break from reality!

    Believe what you want but don't make our educational system worse with magical thinking

    August 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Alex

      have you ever read the bible? particularly the old testament? do you still sacrifice animals like you're supposed to? do you believe god told ezekiel to lie on his side for a year and only eat bread cooked over a fire made from human feces? you shouldn't, because according to the bible ezekiel protested and god said he can make the fire out of cow feces instead, so that's what he did.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Alex

      that doesn't mean NOTHING in the bible is true, my point is just that some things in there are nuts so you need to think for yourself

      August 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
  8. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    I apologize to everyone for my spamming.
    I really do want to learn the truth about evolution.
    I've been having doubts about religion since my Indian girlfriend left me.

    Please forgive me.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Go to hind, hell, hindu ignorant from hindered gutter land india, Use your own Id to spew your hinduism, absurdity.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
  9. Steve

    Todays scientists believe they are brilliant and know eveything (in theory). Funny thing is the scientists of 50 yrs ago and 100 yrs ago thought the same. 100 yrs from now todays scientists will be considered simplistic. Perspective people. it changes everything. No one even knows what lies 200 miles deep in the Earth yet. We just now landed on a planet deep in our solar system and there are multiple systems. WE KNOW NOTHING. The arrogance of Nye to claim he knows what is right for the next generation is irresponsible. He will be gone in a vapor, and never remembered. poof ! God will not be mocked.
    Shalom.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • Alex

      you are obviously not a scientist, no one understands how little we know better than a scientist

      August 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Gadflie

      You type that on your computer. Obviously, you don't believe it anymore than I do.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Chuck

      Scientist are the first to admit that they don't know it all... If they knew it all, then they'd be out of a job. It's the bible thumpers who go around stating certainty!

      August 27, 2012 at 11:41 pm |
    • putty

      That's right, we don't know anything. Please stay off of the computer, out of cars and planes, and definitely out of a hospital, because we have had no progress in the past 100 years.

      The reason why we scientists have jobs is BECAUSE there is stuff we don't know. But there is stuff that we DO know. The things learned from science have created the world we live in today. To ignore things we know as fact is to send this country into the dark ages.

      A few decades ago, we had no idea what DNA was. Now, we can sequence your entire genome in a day for a few hundred bucks and tell you what diseases you and your children may get, and what medications will be best to treat them. To ignore the truly remarkable amount of progress that we have made due to science (not religion, mind you, which has directly resulted in this country being mired in two unwinnable wars) is laughable.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Steve, Steve, Steve. What to say?

      This: you're a dolt.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • Frank

      Steve, no scientist would claim to know everything. If so he wouldn't be a scientist. He would instead be a high school-educated redneck Baptist preacher.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Just call me Lucifer

      Yeah.... Steve. You're absolutely right. You cannot mock that which does not exist. What would be the point of that? There is no all-powerful super dude that controls everything. Sorry. I know you wish there was, so you can feel as safe and secure
      as a baby in his mothers arms, but no. No invisible master who guarantees a happily ever-after if you subjugate yourself properly to him. Grow up.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:02 am |
    • Joe Blake

      Not everyone who believes in God denies evolution.

      But, if you don't believe in God, you have to explain how photosynthesis came to be...through evolution? How many times chances did photosynthesis get to fail before it worked?

      And, is there any evidence they eye evolved? The ear? Have you seen "Body World" exhibit where the human body is devoid of all material except our central nervous system? I think it is more a leap of faith to believe evolution is responsible for this than God. (Each human eye has 1000 nerves running from the eye to the brain...did evolution start with 1 nerve and increase it to 1000? How did the nerve get from the eye to the brain?)

      As far as I know, physicists believe all matter in the universe was created at some point in time. That is, at point 0 there was no mass, no universe, no time, nothing. Than shortly after time started all the energy+mass in the universe was...well if it wasn't created, what was it?

      August 28, 2012 at 1:21 am |
    • Shadowcat

      How easily the religious would deny us knowledge.

      September 6, 2012 at 3:21 pm |
  10. Noah_Adams

    I fully support God and give Him thanks and glory for He created the universe and the earth. Even evolutionists can't answer "How did the first of matter originate?" or "Where did the first of energy come from?" Their theory breaks the most basic of scientific and thermodynamic laws.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

      Truth is God, and nothing can esist without truth absolute God, hindu's ignorant deny "HIM" in their hinduism, ignorance.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      For the thousandth time, you dipsh!t, evolution doesn't deal with those questions. It's like you're mad at Chemistry because your mommy said you can't have milk after 10 pm.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:35 pm |
    • Boing

      "I fully support God" So now your a jock strap? See evolution in action!

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Inglourious

      Belief in a supernatural being does *not* break the basic laws of science?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      Funny how every single one of you have "dodged" the questions I asked. Keep trying, you'll eventually either join God's side or the Devil's... The choice is yours. Adolf Hitler believed in evolution and look what he end up doing to those he thought were of a lesser race...

      August 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Inglourious

      Hitler said in "Mein Kampf" that he was doing God's work. I'll bet you think the same.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      I am pleased to do the will of God... Hitler obviously didn't as he didn't follow the most basic of the 10 commandments

      August 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      "Keep trying, you'll eventually either join God's side or the Devil's..." Or I can just think for myself and not be afraid of the big bad boogeyman you call the Devil.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:52 pm |
    • Athy

      So what created god? You fucking fundies and vangies seem to gloss over that. So you believe something created god and then he created the universe and life on earth and left no evidence of this? Why not just believe the "something" created the universe directly, why impose a mysterious middle man? The proof of the "something" is not required; after all, we are here observing ourselves, right? There is no proof of the middle man and there is no need to have one. The god concept is all bullshit and based on a single dubious man-made reference with no corroborating evidence.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • King Skippus

      Noah, you seem to be under the false impression that if science cannot answer EVERYTHING, then it must be bogus. This simply is not true. The hallmark of science is that even if we are totally clueless about something, we don't just chalk it up to God and stop. We keep looking. We keep testing. We keep asking. We keep searching.

      A lot of religious people sadly are under the notion that we shouldn't ask, we shouldn't search for alternative answers. If the Bible says that the earth is flat, then questioning that is heresy and people must be thrown in jail. As a result, progress is set back by hundreds or thousands of years even when other people (such as Eratosthenes–Google him) know that the Bible and those who believe it are wrong.

      I know you're probably thinking, "That's different, the Bible doesn't say the earth is flat." Regardless of whether you think it does or not, this was religious dogma for centuries and it set back mankind's progress by that much longer. Likewise, the Bible doesn't say that evolution is wrong, or for that matter, the Big Bang is wrong. Again, this is just religious dogma that has, among most knowledgeable people, been discarded. If you're interpreting it that way, then either you are wrong or the Bible is wrong, I'll let you take your pick.

      I'm not anti-religious. I'm not trying to convert you to atheism. I believe that religion has a legitimate place in our society: offering comfort and solace when needed, offering interesting philosophical perspectives and insight into morality. But when religion and science clash, for the sake of yourself, your kids, you community, and mankind in general, ALWAYS side with science. Even when it's factually incorrect, it is useful, and it will always be closer to the truth when it comes to the laws of nature (e.g. evolution, Big Bang, etc.) than religion.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • mfrast

      @King skimper

      I was liking your comment until that last little part where you completely exiled yourself from reality. Religion is fine in your head, but only science, even if wrong, is to be more trusted than a belief?

      That's some whacky philosophy you've got going for ya'.

      August 28, 2012 at 8:11 pm |
  11. truMind

    good for Bill,

    Religion has no place in a modern society outside private homes. If one reads our history as people, you will find the leading cause of death and war is RELIGION..... sounds like a real great thing to warship

    look at Europe. They always seem to be years ahead of the USA as far as social issues are concerned. They banned slavery long before the US did, they got rid of the death penalty which is something we have yet to do, and the numbers of Atheists are sky rocketing in recent years....

    they are getting older as a "people" and are starting to realize they dont have to "warship" something that doesn't make sense to live life.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Religion does have a place in modern society, it just needs to know its place.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • TownC

      The 20th century was the bloodiest in recorded history. The major wars of the century were not started for religious reasons. In fact many of those killed were killed by those who were against religion. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and others were nor religious. The United States has never fought a war over religion.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
    • Inglourious

      @TownC: Make no mistake about it: we rushed to war in Iraq because they were Muslims and Muslims brought down the WTC.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • mmoon24

      Leading cause of death is religion? No, far from that. It can be USED as an excuse to invade or kill, but it is hardly that. Leaders can use religion to sway the common people, because religion is something that can manipulate those who are not educated and look to their leaders for infomation. What really is the leading cause of death...well I can't say for sure, but I would say money, power, hatred, greed, and etc. are the primary reasons for death. 33,000 people in 2010 died in the US due to traffic accidents. There are approximately 16.5k murders in the US every year. How many can we say are due to religion? My money would say it is far from the majority.

      This common talk about "Religion kills" is essentially poor gamesmanship from non-believers. When you sit and look at one's motivations, religion is hardly in the discussion.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:39 am |
    • SuperScoop

      You are wrong. Religion has been misapplied throughout history, as havescientific findings at times. So neither is perfect in its results. But reilgion forms the basis of our societies worldwide ... not science. I'm not especially reliegious, but to dismiss religion from social and political thought is foolish ... and dangerous. For example, in science there are no commandments to live a good life ... such as thou shalt not kill.

      I have worked with engineers and scientists for nearly 40 years ... and count many among my friends. But Lord save us from a world run by them.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
    • mfrast

      Modern? Are you the first born or something? Every day is a modern day, and religion did not start yesterday. I dont have a problem with others having a problem with established religion, but for someone to tell you their beliefs and have you shut them down in the name of scientific principal is as old as...

      well... modern times.

      August 28, 2012 at 8:15 pm |
  12. Bob

    Chad, the universe creates whatever rules it wants. They are independent of our beliefs or understanding.

    Let me ask you, why do you only believe in one god? Why not 3 gods? Can you ever disprove 3 gods? or ten?

    August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Chad

      @Bob "the universe creates whatever rules it wants. "

      =>fascinating theory.. everyone else thinks the universe is an inanimate, non-thinking collection of matter that has arrived at its current state as a deterministic result of the initial condition following its creation.

      but not you.. interesting..

      August 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Jonathan

      "but not you.. interesting.."

      I don't think it is interesting. Why do you? Oh, that was thinly veiled contempt. Carry on.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:16 am |
  13. hinduism source of hindufilthyracism.

    Evolution is belief of hindu's, bonkers,
    Evolution is hinduism, absurdity of hindu's ignorant s in their hindu Judaism, filthy secularism, having no value what so ever.
    Word Jew is based on Latin word Yahood, Je or Ja, Ye, or Ya, meaning from heart and mind base word for Yes in English, HOOD, habit or habitat, meaning, self centered or a secular, denier of truth absolute, such as King, or Pig, in disregard to truth absolute and Judaism, One who takes a wow to be in violation of truth by his intent, considering himself to be the God, the truth absolute, same as in hindu, denier of truth absolute, word hindu is based on Latin word hindrance, negativity, HAN, great, Hun, to be in greatness and hin, to be negative to both of them, hindu, a noun in negativity, hinduism, way of negativity, as in word Jew, a self centered or a criminal, otherwise known as a goon, a shaman. Judaism is not a religion but in opposition, defiance to truth absolute in self center ism.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  14. Lance

    Way too many people are mixing up the issues here and making things way more black and white than they truly are. You can indeed believe in Evolution and God. No science disproves the existence of God. I think we can all agree that neither science nor religion can currently prove the true origin of the universe

    The argument seems to be whether or not Creation should be taught in Public Schools. The fact Mr. Nye doesn't believe in Creation, nor does he support teaching it in public schools, does nothing to disprove it.

    Its sad that the whole issue usually devolves into hate speech instead of tolerance and understanding. I am a religious person who believes God created the universe. I believe in life after death. These are my personal convictions that I am confident in due to my own experiences and my own research into both science and religion.

    With that said, I hold know ill will towards anyone who doesn't share my beliefs, nor do I think any less of them. Those calling others stupid and unintelligent because they do not share their own same beliefs need to check themselves, because there isn't a single human being, nor the entire Earth populace as a whole, that can prove the origins of the universe.

    We will all find out soon enough. Filling your heart with hate and anger isn't the best way to spend passing the time before your imminent demise.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
  15. brad

    ChasBronson: Athiests are angry, frustrated people,who think they can avoid God, while the whole of their lives are consumed by thoughts of Him and his "nonexistence".

    If anyone disagrees with the above comment, I would suggest that you attend one of their many conferences/book fairs. You will quickly find that for a group of people who claim that there is no God, they sure do spend entirely too much time and money trying to refute the very idea in which they supposedly "don't believe". I do not believe in the Easter Bunny or Santa but just because there are people out there who want to celebrate them – or even believe in them – I am certainly not going to waste a lot of time and energy to write books, go to conferences, etc. in order to refute the Easter Bunny and Santa – that is ridiculous. Furthermore, if I truly do not believe something exists, why in the world would I find it harmful that someone else does believe it exists.....unless...of course, I just 'might' believe it exists.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      Who's trying to force Santaism down our throats? Does Santaism have an archaic code of morality which claims supremacy?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      brad, if Tooth Fairy followers had churches and acolytes pushing their agenda in our faces as much as the christians do, you'd see exactly the same response against the Tooth Fairy belief. Do try to use your brain for once.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
  16. Adam

    Darwin: "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down"

    How about the irreducibly complex: Because of the primitive level of science in the19th century, Darwin may have thought that living things possess a reducible structure. But twentieth century discoveries have shown that many systems and organs in living things cannot be reduced to simplicity.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Adam, they have never actually discovered anything that is irreducibly complex. Sorry to burst your bubble.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:31 pm |
    • Why I'm the Science Guy

      So why do nearly all microbiologists believe that evolution is true?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:33 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Because they're angry at the god of the bible? Oh, no.. sorry, my bad, because it's an integral part of their life's work and they use it daily in their practical, pragmatic practice? I forget which one..

      August 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      I love this quote from Darwin! He was actually right on this one!

      August 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Athy

      Not true. Everything is reducible, except maybe quarks.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:07 am |
    • William

      Adam,

      as it turns out, 'irreducible complexity' is a failed concept. There are no structures, including eyes, that lack a distinct evolutionary history. It's an idea promulgated by Intelligent Design folks; unfortunately, the idea does not hold water. Moreover, what we see today anatomically, in humans and other creatures, is not the pinnacle of change, no organism or part of an organism is perfect. The human eye, sometimes described as being perfect, is not. Would you design something that often works ineffectively (i.e., near and far-sightedness), has a blindspot in the light collecting area, is almost worthless at night, and is limited to such a small range of the electromagnetic spectrum? Why all the shortcomings in the human eye? Because our eye is a structure that evolved through time and it carries the baggage of that particular evolutionary path (we don't see well at night because we are diurnal primates like most of the other anthropoids (monkeys and apes)). Interestingly, giant squid eyes are in some ways better designed than ours (they lack the blindspot that appears in vertebrate eyes). How can that be? Evolution.

      August 28, 2012 at 12:27 am |
    • Jonathan

      "But twentieth century discoveries have shown that many systems and organs in living things cannot be reduced to simplicity."
      I think you mean your twenty first century intelligent design websites have shown...

      August 28, 2012 at 1:22 am |
  17. JustSayin'

    Science still has no idea how First Cause came about. How is it rational that evolution can be taught as fact when this major piece of information is missing? Where did those initial gases and fumes come from? Were they always there? As soon as science can create a completely random explosion that creates life then it can teach evolution as fact.

    Has anyone ever stopped to think that IF someone were ever to create something in a highly controlled laboratory environment with just the right conditions, then the scientist working in that lab would be considered "an intelligent designer"? The only way science could argue otherwise is if all the chemicals in the lab accidentally spilled and created life of it's own accord. Fat chance.

    To those who think Creationists turn a blind eye towards science, it's interesting that the Bible taught as a fact that the world was a sphere (Job 26:10) long before Science realized and could confirm this was true.

    Many people who believe in Creationism do not think the earth and everything in it was created in six literal days. That is obviously not true. A closer look into the bible shows that Peter wrote in 2 Pet. 3:8 that "one day is with God as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day." Ascribing not just 24 hours but a longer period of time, thousands of years, to each of the creative days better harmonizes with the evidence found in the earth itself.

    I understand why most of the people here have such vitriol towards religion today. Most religious zealots today rely on dogma and false teachings, and yes, even hate. Jesus predicted this would happen, and warned his followers against it. He also said his true followers would be small in number and would have love among themselves. He also said that they would be a hated people. (Matthew 24:9) I imagine most evolutionists would not like to hear that their hatred towards true Christians is, in fact, helping to fulfill bible prophecy.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Just because science doesn't know some things AND ADMITS IT OPENLY doesn't mean, "Big fuzzy wuzzy magic sky daddy spoke a magic spell and did it."

      August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Gadflie

      Kid, the theory of evolution doesn't cover abigenesis, much less the beginning of the universe. Try to keep up, ok?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:30 pm |
    • Inglourious

      Why did your Intelligent Designer put n1pples on males? How intelligent was that?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Because they're angry at the god of the bible? Oh, no.. sorry, my bad, because it's an integral part of their life's work and they use it daily in their practical, pragmatic practice? I forget which one.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "Science still has no idea how First Cause came about." And scientists freely admit this. They do so because they're more interested in understanding than you are. They admit they don't yet know–you, on the other hand, simply throw up your hands and say "It MUST have been GAWD!"

      I'll go with uncertainty and open-mindedness rather than resort to dogma and fairy-tales.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:43 pm |
  18. Peter90

    Bill Nye who? :-) there are hilarious points in his argument, like: "We need engineers that can build stuff and solve problems". Newton was a creationist – could we use his help today to think through "stuff" and help us build complex things? Or: "Denial of evolution is unique to the United States" – maybe this helps explain why the US are overall the most technologically advanced nation in the world? God has always confounded the fools with other fools – so even Bill Nye has a role in an evolving universe. By the way I am not a creationist in a literal sense, but God is definitely in charge of the universe, whether Bill likes it or not.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Eric

      Well...Newton wasn't trying to prove anything about the creation of man....he observed the phenomenon of gravity...faith meant nothing in this instance.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:36 pm |
    • Eric

      Furthermore...being advanced in technology has been due to the fact that we have freedom of religion...or in the case of a LOT of scientist, freedom FROM religion....if God=advancement then explain the Dark Ages.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      "God is definitely in charge of the universe." Care to provide proof?

      If he is, he sucks at management.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • LiberalFascism101

      The Cult of Liberalism can only hate, attack, blame, lie, and deny. Just read the comments below. No substance. All mockery from know-nothing, indoctrinated Useful Idiots for Cultural Marxism.

      September 26, 2012 at 8:00 pm |
    • MDAT

      Evolution?

      September 26, 2012 at 8:04 pm |
  19. What Is The Truth

    Umm, I think it is perfectly fine to believe that God created everything in his own phases of evolution. There is a partnership between the two, not a conflict. Creationism & evolution don't conflict when we understand that creation occurs through beautifully evolving phases of evolution. God would control the desired speed of evolution in which he creates. Thus, if he wanted to create the world in 7 days, He would evolve that matter into being ~ His evolution would take place to create his creation.

    The matter up for debate is more or less the typical speed into which something evolves into a creation & something scientist could seek evidence upon. But this take either side of the coin argument is just not sensible ~ Creation occurs through an evolution, and an evolution occurs through creation. There is plenty to agree upon without sacrificing one's faith in God or sacrificing one's faith that things do evolve into being.

    August 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
  20. Noah_Adams

    How can anyone say evolution is a fact, when they cannot dispute a single word in the Bible? The Bible can in parts be tested scientifically, and yet it stands firm as undeniably TRUE!

    August 27, 2012 at 11:27 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      To whom? Just as many inaccuraces can be attributed to the Bible.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:28 pm |
    • Rational Libertarian

      I'm disputing the Bible right now, virtually all of it. Apart from placenames and the names of kings, nothing in it can be proven.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:29 pm |
    • Boing

      So Noah, can you dispute a single word in the Lord of the Rings trilogy?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:32 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      Believe what you want, but don't you think if the Bible had inaccuracies, they would have been caught by now? This book is approximately 2000 years old and still has zero inaccuracies.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:34 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      I've seen the Lord of the Ring's Trilogy... and quite frankly your reasoning and tactics of trying to disprove the Bible make me smile. May God have mercy on your soul for disputing his word.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:37 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Noah, the biblical flood never happened, obviously, factually–it's impossible. Research and learn.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:38 pm |
    • Adam

      Rational Libertarian: Archaeological find the location of one of those "place names" just about every year

      August 27, 2012 at 11:39 pm |
    • Eric

      ummm...how about the sun revolves around the earth??? I think we figured out that was wrong...

      August 27, 2012 at 11:40 pm |
    • Adam

      Moby Schtick: You have to look at the flood in a different way. Maybe more of a regional point of view. Catastrophic floods happen all the time.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:42 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      Actually is was secular scientists who supported that the universe goes about the earth... research the true church history before you condemn it. As for Noah's Flood, there is absolute proof all around us, see the following site for the best collection of data I've ever seen on Noah's Flood... http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/

      August 27, 2012 at 11:45 pm |
    • Tul4hndn

      @ Noah

      Really? Just because you refuse to acknowledge them doesn't make them go away. The bible is full of contradictions and inaccuries, was edited by "man" to further his own nefarious motivations and is handily interpreted by millions to try and prove their point while ignoring those parts that don't correspond to society. What part of any of that is "truth"?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:47 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      I don't refuse... I've studied and there are none. How come you didn't point one out if you are so confident. And it has not been edited for years... it is the same true text as was written nearly 2000 years ago. Humans may have had errors trying to translate into new languages, but God is infallible.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:53 pm |
    • Eric

      Research the history of the church??? How about the church banning the book that was initially written about the very fact we are talking about. It was not until the 1980's that the Church forgave Galileo for his works!!!! THAT IS HISTORY...if you want to have an argument that has merit, do not link to a website called "creation science"...give me peer reviewed non-biased evidence.

      August 27, 2012 at 11:54 pm |
    • Eric

      If God did not have the foresight to prevent errors from occurring in the book that is SUPPOSED to be the instructions for us to NOT go to hell, how can we be judged on the mistakes others have made?? How can we be held accountable when the very law of God is not what we are reading?

      August 27, 2012 at 11:55 pm |
    • Noah_Adams

      Here's the real history of Galileo in case you're interested... http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0005.html

      August 27, 2012 at 11:58 pm |
    • Eric

      http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Galileo.html
      A slightly less PRO Catholic version...and from an unbiased source

      August 28, 2012 at 12:08 am |
    • Mike Oxsmall

      Noah, the bible as you know it today has been through hundreds of rewrites. Not to mention some of the books that didn't even make it into the bible. Don't get me wrong there are some good truths to the bible ie; 10 commandments but, it is by no means a science book. As far as your question goes about where did matter and energy come from, check this out, matter and energy change. It happens all the time. Water (for instance) turns to vapor, turns solid, is split by electrolysis, and decomposes other compounds through hydrolysis. It's not too crazy to believe the universe does something like this on a grander scale over billions of years.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Mike Oxsmall

      "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" – Epicurus. That's from about 300 years before Jesus was even born.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
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