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August 28th, 2012
11:53 AM ET

Dolan to pray at Democratic National Convention

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN)–-Cardinal Timothy Dolan has accepted an invitation to give the closing prayer at the Democratic National Convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, next week, which will also feature a nun in a speaking role.

Dolan, the archbishop of New York and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, also will give the closing benediction at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida, on Thursday.

When he accepted that invitation, Dolan said his appearance would be prayerful, not political, a sentiment reiterated by his spokesman in announcing his appearance at the DNC.

"It was made clear to the Democratic Convention organizers, as it was to the Republicans, that the Cardinal was coming solely as a pastor, only to pray, not to endorse any party, platform, or candidate," cardinal spokesman Joseph Zwilling said.

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A nun who has been critical of the Republicans' federal budget will also have a speaking role at the Democratic convention, a source with the President Barack Obama's re-election campaign said Tuesday.

Sister Simone Campbell, the executive director of a social justice group NETWORK, who helped lead a recent "nuns on the bus tour" against Rep. Paul Ryan's federal budget, will speak, the source said.

Ryan is presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney's running mate.

Stephanie Niedringhaus, a spokeswoman at NETWORK, said that Campbell would speak next Wednesday and that she was out of the country and unavailable for comment.

Cardinal Dolan to offer closing prayer at Republican Convention

The Vatican has been critical of American nuns recently, alleging that they have not focused enough on hot-button social issues and that they have given a platform for radical feminism at conferences.

Typically, a local bishop would speak at a convention like this. Zwilling said that Dolan "consulted Bishop Peter Jugis of the Diocese of Charlotte, who gave the Cardinal his consent to take part in the convention that will be taking place in his diocese."

Dolan's diocese is one of many in the midst of a lawsuit against the Obama administration over a Department of Health and Human Services mandate that forces employers to pay for contraceptives coverage for their employees. While churches and select other religious organizations are exempt, not all religiously affiliated groups are, and that has riled many religious groups that oppose contraceptives on religious grounds.

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Filed under: 2012 Election • Barack Obama • Bishops • Catholic Church • Church and state • Mitt Romney

soundoff (238 Responses)
  1. geebs

    Im certain that you athiests are spending an equal amount of time telling a bunch of muslims on other wesites how stupid they are as well, right. I mean, I would hate to think that y'all are religiously racist!

    oh, whats that? Your afraid to call them names cause you might die?

    A bully, by nature, picks on those that cannot (or will not) defend themselves....

    August 28, 2012 at 5:04 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      Any religion based on Mohammed is gonna lick balls, because Mohammed does in fact lick balls.
      -God Bless All

      ~~~~

      Fuk Mohammed, fuk him up their stupid as.s.
      -HeavenSent

      ~~~~

      Mohammed is a one-note jokes that only retards follow. He is fuking clown shoes. If he were real I’d beat the sh.it out of him for being so stupid.
      -Bootyfunk

      ~~~~

      Mohammed is the worst prophet I have ever heard of. He is a stupid d.ildo. A loser with dumb-a.s.s parables like a third rate Moses or Bill and Ted.
      -truth be told

      Jesus and Mohammed
      All you motherfukers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers! We’re gonna fuk your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiney bi.tches. We’re gonna make you eat our sh.it, then sh.it out our sh.it and then eat your sh.it that’s made up of our sh.it that we made you eat!

      Jesus and Mohammed are the worst prophets I have ever heard of. They are stupid d.ildos. A couple of losers with dumb-a.s.s parables like a third rate Moses or Bill and Ted.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      All you motherfukers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers! I'm gonna fuk your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiney bi.tches. I'm gonna make you eat my sh.it, then sh.it out my sh.it and then eat your sh.it that’s made up of my sh.it that I made you eat!

      -Mohammed

      August 28, 2012 at 5:41 pm |
    • Scott_1

      " Im certain that you athiests are spending an equal amount of time telling a bunch of muslims on other wesites how stupid they are as well"

      Typical brain dead Christian.
      Muslims in America are not 1% as much problem as Christians, so we focus our attention on the biggest problem.

      August 29, 2012 at 10:55 pm |
  2. Jason

    His Eminence is a buffoon. Stop being a politician and start being a Prince of the Church.

    August 28, 2012 at 5:02 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      You keep stepping over His seeds that get blown by the wind to find their way to fertile grounds. Typical of swines trampling. My kids were born on a pool table. It's obsessive compulsion to grab at any straw to give a reason not to learn or understand.

      Amen.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:35 pm |
    • .o.

      Maybe some old lady will get lucky there with him if he takes in Tampa like a "Prince Harry of the Church".

      August 28, 2012 at 5:40 pm |
  3. wlmmlr

    god bless all
    It does not take a church to help. I participate in many activities to help the poor that are not faith based. This is the big fallacy, that in order to act with compassion you have to be religious. This is just not the case. Having said that, there are many good works directed by religious groups and I have and will join in their efforts even if I do not believe in their gods.

    August 28, 2012 at 4:52 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      Big HUG & Kiss to you!

      August 29, 2012 at 12:21 am |
    • God Bless All

      @wimmir – I'm very late in replying but thought I would anyway!
      You are correct and I commend you for your works. I was trying to point out to @HeavenScence & @Bootyfunk that they can be part of the solution and the Church would be a good place to see Good Works in action. There are many many great charitable organizations to help the poor children of this world – not all of which are religious organizations.

      So @HeavenScence & @Bootyfunk – have you been to your local church yet?? If not – please go or try one of your local children's charities and do something good for this world. Please!

      September 6, 2012 at 3:44 pm |
  4. rob

    Dolan is a bigoted pig, so I can understand why he would be at the RNC, but why on Earth would the DNC invite him!?

    August 28, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      It will be interesting for the Catholics who watch the conventions to compare the receptions the Cardinal receives from the conventioneers.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:14 pm |
    • irishsmiles

      It is very offensive to call a Catholic cardinal a "Bigoted pig". If Democratic thinking has devolved to nasty name calling this country is in terrible troubel. Let's be civil.

      August 28, 2012 at 8:49 pm |
    • TR6

      "why on Earth would the DNC invite him"

      Do you know how many catholic voters there are?

      August 29, 2012 at 10:59 pm |
  5. IO

    Pretty sure it's illegal these days to pray at a political convention.

    August 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Pretty sure you're wrong

      August 28, 2012 at 4:13 pm |
    • blogger formerly known as Who invited me?

      silly...a waste of time...foolishness.....yes.
      illegal no

      August 28, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • shameonu

      Are you saying that only the atheist religion can be preached anywhere, any time, in this day and age?

      August 28, 2012 at 4:47 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ IO:

      Back to 5th grade social studies for you. The conventions are each held by their respective parties. These parties are private organizations. They have the right to invite whoever they want and they can all pray for the duration of the whole week if they want....just like you can start a club, invite who you want to and pray or not as you wish.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:49 pm |
    • TR6

      @shameonu: "Are you saying that only the atheist religion can be preached anywhere, any time, in this day and age?"

      Atheism will be a religion when bald becomes a hair color

      August 29, 2012 at 11:04 pm |
  6. Patches

    Why should the party want Dolan, an open critic who has straight up espoused falsehoods about the Obama administration in order to push his agenda, anywhere near their convention?

    August 28, 2012 at 3:46 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      What falsehoods would that be?

      August 28, 2012 at 4:15 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ Patches:

      "Why should the party want Dolan,"

      For the same reason the RNC wants him – despite the fact that the USCCB has taken Paul Ryan to task for creating an immoral budget.

      They both want the Catholic swing vote, neither party stands for all the Catholics believe, and they both know that American Catholics are just as lazy as any other voting demographic and will neither study the issues nor follow church teaching on how to form a conscience for citizenship.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:54 pm |
  7. Freek Lankhof

    Keep religion out of politics!

    August 28, 2012 at 3:38 pm |
    • stan James

      Keep religion out of politics, period.

      Dolan is the you know what who threatened Obama with endless conflict over the end of Doma. of course there is a few things we need to know about him and his boss.

      Dolan pays off molester priests , about 20k to leave. Its a lot cheaper then the megabuck the3 victims should get. Dolan is guity of conspiracy to obstruct justice, and should be in jail.

      Shame on the dems for letting him "pray"

      the repubs – well they have been molesting mentally our first black president since the day he was elected.

      Just as they molested many of the people by bush's grand wall street experiments that led to teh 2nd great repub depression
      http://nationalsurvivoradvocatescoalition.wordpress.com/editorials/ (ppopeputs fox in charge of molester henhouse.)

      http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23369148-pope-led-cover-up-of-child-abuse-by-priests.do

      August 28, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  8. DR

    It's interesting to see all the bashing of Christianity on this board, especially claims that believers are delusional and crazy. Since Obama describes himself as a Christian (as do Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, both Clintons, and many others) I assume that you consider them all delusional and crazy people. Where is the outrage over Obama's supposedly demented belief in God?

    August 28, 2012 at 3:23 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Not the people necessarily...just the belief.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:51 pm |
    • stan James

      christianity

      juistified slavery as per the bible, and gave us the kkk and segregation

      Gave the world the thousand year dark ages of zero social and economic progress and endless wars

      Gave the world the hatred of Jews, which morphed into the Holocaust and the election of a mad catholic named hitler, and 55 million died

      Gave the world the holy inquistion of torture and burnings at the stake for those considered heritics

      Gave the world the pope who in 2009 UNexcommunicated Bishop williamson, a holocaust denier

      The onlly question is whether christianity of Islam murdered more people over history.

      Diederot, a french Philosopher said in 1789, during the struggle to break free of cabal of church and state "Mankind will be free when the last king is strangled with the guts of the last priest. Too bad we ran out of kings – we;ve got a lot of priests to go

      Soe xtian groups believe that "the only way to the father is through the son" In effect they are condeming 5 billion non xtians to hell.

      Nice religion.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • stan James

      here's the link re the pope , who grew up in Germany in the 1930s re the UNexcommunciation of a holocaust denier

      http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/erbe/2009/02/05/pope-should-excommunicate-holocaust-denying-bishop-williamson?msg=1 – comments

      August 28, 2012 at 4:03 pm |
    • Chick-a-dee

      @ stan James:

      Catechism of the Catholic Church
      1463 Certain particularly grave sins incur excommunication, the most severe
      ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise
      of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted,
      according to canon law except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized
      by them.68 In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing
      confessions, can absolve from every sin and excommunication.69

      Neither Bonnie Erbe, the Thomas Jefferson Street blog, or U.S. News & World Report have any authority to dictate Cannon Law or which offenses warrant excommunication under it. You have no authority to dictate which sins and excommunications are to be absolved.

      August 28, 2012 at 10:40 pm |
  9. Hypatia

    Why? All that pedo will do is teoll both parties for stray pageboys.

    August 28, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
  10. Jack

    Hello. Everyone is cordially invited to visit – thestarofkaduri.com

    August 28, 2012 at 2:08 pm |
  11. Agnostic Atheism is Healthy for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

    mama kindless news update: mama kindless for the first time in many years fell in love with a man named Bill Nye just yesterday. now this famous Mr. Nye is too young for me, but I guess you could say we have a spiritual affinity. my goodness.

    It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, are just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.

    Atheists have strong minds, and don't run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, disserving society).

    So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.

    mama kindless

    August 28, 2012 at 1:56 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you go, mama!

      August 28, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
    • ZortBlot

      Agnostics are clueless by definition.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:55 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Zort: Care to elaborate??

      August 28, 2012 at 3:52 pm |
  12. Bootyfunk

    timothy dolan protects child molesters:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/archbishop-timothy-dolan-offered-20000-to-priests-suspected-of-child-abuse-to-make-them-leave-the-priesthood-2012-5

    basically, dolan tried to bribe a child molesting priest to leave the church in order to save the church the embarrassment of yet another child molester in their ranks. dolan cares more for keeping the church from looking bad than helping the children his priests s.exually abused.

    yeah, dolan is a real good guy... hero to child molesters everywhere.

    August 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • junior

      Go ahead and take a story out of context. But if you are going to shake the tree on severance packages, what about school administrators/teachers that are given severance in the six digits for their abuse of students.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:32 pm |
  13. Rundvelt

    God plz.

    August 28, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
  14. Carolprudm

    Really REALLY dumb move on the DNC's part. What were they thinking? Dolan admitted he paid off pedophile priests

    August 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • junior

      He did not pay off. Get your story staight.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
  15. Susan Marlowe

    Catholics like Dolan have become far too powerful and power hungry in this country. Demanding the right to set social and health policy based on their faith rather than science is a serious threat to our freedom as Americans. It's time for all Americans, believers or not to take a stand against religious organizations that are more interested in taking over the governement than in serving the needy.

    August 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • junior

      I am pretty sure science proves when life begins, at conception. The church agrees.

      August 28, 2012 at 9:34 pm |
  16. David Asset

    I wish this old fat queen would just stay home.

    August 28, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      Hurray! Now both parties have the opportunity to hear the Gospel. Personally, I hope he tells them both how the cow ate the cabbage.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
  17. Warning

    See this man Romney for what he is. He has deceived many including the faithful Father Dolan.

    "He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them. "

    August 28, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • SED

      The Roman Church is easy to deceive.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:25 pm |
  18. Bootyfunk

    i hope they have extra security at the convention to keep Dolan and his priest buddies away from the children...

    August 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • truth be told

      Ho mo se xuals lied their way into the church to practice their evil on unsuspecting children. That does not depict either the church or the priesthood badly. The guilty criminals are those who committed the crimes not the organization they afflicted. What you are doing would be the same as declaring all banks criminal because there are bank robbers.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      "Ho mo se xuals lied their way into the church to practice their evil on unsuspecting children."
      calm your ignorant h.omophobia.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      The tard "truth be told / HeavenSent / Atheism is Not . . / just sayin / etc. .etc. blabbed:
      "Ho mo se xuals lied their way into the church to practice their evil on unsuspecting children. That does not depict either the church or the priesthood badly. The guilty criminals are those who committed the crimes not the organization they afflicted. What you are doing would be the same as declaring all banks criminal because there are bank robbers."

      Wrong. Ho mo se xuality is a natural state of nature. Trying to make men celibate is unnatural and thus, the idiot Catholic and similar churches that apply celibacy will continue to have the problem.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • truth be told

      Ho mo se xuality is and has always been a perversion of nature. Sorry if you are justifying yourself with that lie but the real world does not buy it.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:49 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Booty: They don't have a phobia...a phobia is fear and they don't fear these people, they hate them (without just cause mind you). Most phobia's can be treated and cured, hate never can.

      August 28, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
    • fred

      TruthPrevail
      Are you defending abuse by Priests? Almost all abuse was older men on boys. At what level do you defend this?

      August 28, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      Does that red herring taste delicious fred?

      August 28, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Fred: No, I'm defending hmosexuality. These priests don't give a rats ass if it is male or female they abuse...they are peds, typically speaking peds don't care. Priests tend to have more access to boys, thus the reason it is so prevalent.
      The assumption that all homosexuals are peds is not much different than saying all people of native status are alcoholics. It is simply irrational.
      I would never support pedophiles in any way (ask the idiot I helped put away for 10 years)...they cause damage to our world. I do however support homosexuals...they harm no-one by being who they are.

      August 28, 2012 at 4:28 pm |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails :-)
      “These priests don't give a rats a-ss if it is male or female”
      =>suggest you get the facts as 78-82% of cases were older men abusing boys not children !

      “they are peds, typically speaking peds don't care”
      =>Wrong wrong wrong. And not supported by the facts. Those priests accused were predominantly ho-mo$exual. The correct term based on the facts of the abuses is Euphebophilia. It is not politically correct so the abuse continues to be covered up by well intended people such as yourself.

      “ Priests tend to have more access to boys, thus the reason it is so prevalent.”
      =>wrong again. Priests actually have the lowest incidence of Euphebophilia.

      “The as-sumption that all ho-mo$exuals are peds”
      =>all is the wrong word but the majority of Euphebophilia is hom-o$exual.

      “all people of native status are alcoholics. It is simply irrational.”
      =>you are using the word the all so stop being irrational

      “ I do however support hom-o$exuals...they harm no-one by being who they are.”
      =>the issue is immorality not hom-o$exual or any other choice. I support hom-o$exuals as well but I do not support immorality.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:00 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      You d not support homosexuals fred. That's just a bald faced lie on your part. Unless you're talking about supporting trying to "cure" them and causing mental harm.

      August 28, 2012 at 5:24 pm |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      I wrote: "Wrong. Ho mo se xuality is a natural state of nature. Trying to make men celibate is unnatural and thus, the idiot Catholic and similar churches that apply celibacy will continue to have the problem."

      and that idiot "truth be told" blabbed: "Ho mo se xuality is and has always been a perversion of nature. Sorry if you are justifying yourself with that lie but the real world does not buy it."

      Wrong – ho mo se xuality is a natural state of nature. Trying to make men celibate and also in a position of authority unparalleled by women is unnatural and thus, the idiot Catholic and similar churches that apply that type of celibacy will continue to have the problem."

      August 28, 2012 at 5:57 pm |
    • TruthPrevails :-)

      Fred: My point is simply that you're painting homosexuals with a broad brush by claiming all these priests are homosexuals peds. There are straight priests also and this shouldn't be a discussion regardless-these pigs need rounded up, stuck in some deep dark pit with no tv or contact of any form with the outside world.
      One other thing though...my original post had nothing to do with the priests...you made the dumb ass assumption DUMB ASS,/b>. (my original post:They don't have a phobia...a phobia is fear and they don't fear these people, they hate them (without just cause mind you). Most phobia's can be treated and cured, hate never can.) So how you got that I support these wastes of human flesh is beyond me.

      "The study by the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York instead said that the problem was largely the result of poor seminary training and insuffiicient emotional support for men ordained in the 1940s and 1950s, who were not able to withstand the social upheaval they confronted as pastors in the 1960's. Crime and other deviant behavior increased overall in the United States during this period, when the rate of abuse by priets was climbing.

      "The rise in abuse cases in the 1960s and 1970s was influenced by social factors in society generally," the report’s authors said. "Factors that were invariant during the time period addressed, such as celibacy, were not responsible for the increase or decline in abuse cases over this time.""
      (sourced from http://wglb-tv.blogspot.ca/2011/05/study-gays-not-to-blame-for-pedophile.html)

      August 28, 2012 at 6:08 pm |
    • fred

      hawaiiguest
      Hom-mo$exuality is not a healthy life style and everyone should be alarmed and concerned. The median age of death is 42 compared with 75 for a hetero$exual man. Lesbians are not much better at 45 verses 79 for a married hetero&exual woman.

      Tell me why anyone would not be concerned !

      August 28, 2012 at 6:22 pm |
    • fred

      TruthPrevails :-)
      Your post was directed to booty which was about priests and children.
      A grand cover-up over the ho-mo$exual nature of the abuse in the Church continues by the liberal politrical agenda. The actual incidence of abuse was well below other inst-itutions that failed to protect the innocent. It is difficult to get the truth which makes helping the gay community and abused children very difficult.
      As to your justification for immoral behaviour the socioeconomic environment cited cannot cause one to become gay. Based on that alone I dismiss your source as bias (other than the fact it is New York)

      August 28, 2012 at 6:44 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      And what studies can you cite that shows a direct causation?

      August 28, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      The reduction in lifespan is directly related to lifestyle. Higher mortality associated with higher rates of STD’s, suicide, alcohol and drug use. Are you seriously not aware of these statistics?

      August 28, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      Can you draw a causation between being gay and commiting suicide, drugs and alcohol on its own? Nope, do you want to know why? Because being gay does not make you a junkie, or suicidal, unless of course your religious parents or schoolmates are slamming into your head that you're an evil pile of shit for being as you are.
      I did notice that you gave absolutely no citations, not that I'm surprised by that.

      August 28, 2012 at 8:59 pm |
    • fred

      Hawaiiguest
      Certainly no one would doubt that self image incorporates inputs from the socioeconomic and cultural influences in ones life. To say Christians make gays act out in $exually irresponsible ways is a big leap even for you. Low self esteem is a common factor in $exual immorality regardless of orientation but it is not God or the Christians that are to blame.
      If hom-o$exuals followed the clear teachings of the Bible or Islam their death rate would be lower than the general population (i.e. they would on average live longer than others rather than shorter) in the U.S.

      August 29, 2012 at 5:25 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @fred

      That is a completely unsupported assertion on your part fred. Also, you still seem to be laboring under the intense delusion that orientation is a choice. Their death rate would also be lower if people accepted that orientation is not a choice, and top using the "good book" to discriminate. Blacks used to have a really low average age as well, mostly for the same reasons gays currently have a low average age.
      Your bigoted religious bullshit is only a fact to you fred, but guess what, reality doesn't form around your opinions.
      Also, still no citations.

      August 29, 2012 at 5:30 pm |
  19. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things.

    August 28, 2012 at 1:08 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      actions cause change; prayer wastes valuable time.

      unclasp your hands. get off your knees. go outside. think for yourself. put those hands to work.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:09 pm |
    • just sayin

      @bippyfink
      Hands working without a plan are useless. Prayer provides the perfect plan. A good man prays a great man acts on prayer. You do not qualify for either one. God bless

      August 28, 2012 at 1:16 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      you don't know what the word 'plan' means. 'plan' and 'prayer' are not the same. do you own a dictionary? any book except the bible?

      i have an idea. let's build houses. i will actually make a plan for building my house - you pray that god guide's your hand and your house turns out well. let's see who's house is livable afterwards, the one who planned out the project or the one that prayed instead of planned.

      when you pray, you talk to yourself and waste time.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:24 pm |
    • SED

      Then let Cardinal Dolan pray for his own soul.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:26 pm |
    • Ned

      AtheismNotHealthy -2
      Bootyfunk-0

      August 28, 2012 at 1:37 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      Ned forgot to mention it's points for delusional thought.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • Troll Alert

      People with dementia can repeat themselves over and over again, by telling a repeat a word or phrase.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • truth be told

      @troll
      I notice you keep repeating yourself. Self diagnosis or an unintended cry for help?

      August 28, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • hawaiiguest

      @truth be told

      LOL Are you seriously slamming someone for repeating the same thing? Considering that you, the original poster, and just sayin all repeat yourselves multiple times per day, I don't think you would have a leg to stand on there.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  20. HeavenSense

    The "Doxology" is a song sung in millions of Christian churches around the world every Sunday. It opens with this sentence:

    Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

    With that one sentence we can prove that God is imaginary, just like Santa Claus.

    We can prove that Santa is imaginary in a variety of ways, but here is one way: we note that he brings mountains of toys to rich kids while leaving other kids to starve to death. In the same way, we can prove that God is imaginary by noting the imbalance of his blessings. If God existed and handed out blessings as described in the Doxology, then the blessings would be spread uniformly among his believers. And non-believers would get none. As a result, the hand of God, through his blessings, would be plainly visible for all to see through statistical analysis.

    Let us suppose that God is real and that all blessings actually do flow from him. If that is the case, then the utter unfairness with which he disperses his blessings is proof positive that God is ridiculous. If all blessings flow from God, then the fact that Bill Gates is worth $70 billion while 10 million children will starve to death this year is specifically God's fault. That is ridiculous.

    Here is a typical church in Raleigh, NC: Colonial Baptist Church

    The church's web site has this to say: "In May of 1993 the church fellowship voted unanimously to relocate our church campus. As a result of God's gracious plan, our Tryon site almost immediately became inadequate to facilitate our growing numbers. Thus, the church body once again demonstrated its pioneering spirit, faith and vision—vision to be a church not only blessed with a wonderful past, but faith and trust in God for an enduring, effective future. As of May 21, 1996, we became the owners of 33 acres on which to build our new facilities. Praise God from whom all blessings flow!" This church has soccer fields, indoor basketball courts, dozens of meeting rooms and classrooms, several buses, a library, a huge sanctuary and ample free parking.

    One obvious question to ask after reading the church's statement is this: If all blessings flow from God, then why are his blessings so amazingly unbalanced? Why are tens of thousands of children dying of starvation every day on this planet, while Colonial Baptist Church is blessed with such wealth? Why wouldn't God spread his blessings evenly among all his children? Answer: Because God is imaginary.

    August 28, 2012 at 12:57 pm |
    • truth be told

      Did not read all your drivel but enough to reply to a couple items you really laid an egg on. God is not measured by cash so your Bill Gates thing goes south quickly. And you were told by God to care for the starving children in this world. Caring for the needy is left to your care and frankly you are doing a lousy job.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      if god is all powerful, don't see why he can't help the needy. in fact, if you can feed people with the snap of your fingers, but decide to watch them starve instead - you're evil. god is evil. he could help, but doesn't.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • truth be told

      God instructed you to feed the hungry. It is your job to care for the needy and you too are lousy at it.

      August 28, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Bootyfunk

      and yet god could feed the masses with the blink of an eye, but chooses not to. he instructed humans and humans failed. so god's decision is that since humans failed, he's just going to let babies starve to death? why punish the starving babies?

      August 28, 2012 at 1:33 pm |
    • God Bless All

      @HeavenScence & @Bootyfunk – Reading your posts, I can tell you are deeply troubled by the poor children of this world. Rightly so. Take this as a sign, please – Go to your local Catholic Church (or any church) and ask how you can help – they will have many many ways you can carry out God's work and be part of the solution, not just someone who b itches on about how unjust God is. Please, go and help those less fortunate than yourself and see the power God has when we all work together. It will change your life, forever.

      August 28, 2012 at 2:07 pm |
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