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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

soundoff (5,973 Responses)
  1. ep451

    46% of the people in this country believe that the earth is 6,000 years old? And we are wondering why we are in so much trouble? I think we are moving in the wrong direction…

    September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I hope the 46% are very, very old and will soon be gone.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Ronald Regonzo

      What does the age of the earth have to do with Obamas incompetence? The earth will be 6000 years old when President Romney says it is. Romney/ Ryan 2012

      September 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Halkes

      Wow, check out this guy ^^^

      September 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Elena

      tom tom the full not even know what a particle wave probality is and yet he sends people to read science, Lol

      September 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
    • Terry

      The worst of it is : They have the right to vote... Let me see...could we correlate those 40% + with voting intentions ? I would bet my bottom dollar that we would find a trend towards the GOP... One party does seem to unite all the dimwits together...
      Why, Oh why does a Bible litteralist always seem to be a dimwit,once prodded a bit...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:12 pm |
  2. HumanityHater

    LOL it IS child abuse. Teaching mythology as fact screws people up. It destroys critical thinking skills (though religious people want critical thinking destroyed)

    And there is nothing equal about creationism and evolution. One is based on our observations of the world and evidence. The other is completely made up by medieval fantasy writers.

    Creationism is religion and nothing more. In the USA you can practice any religion you want with freedom, but it can't be part of government. Public education is government.

    God and science can actually work together. A god may have caused the big bang that formed the universe, galaxies (not mentioned in the bible at all) and they allowed for human evolution and the evolution of all other animals on the planet.
    But science and silly religion are not, and will never be compatible.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      So therefore God and science can never be compatible, right?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      Name one thing Creationism teaches that is made up and is completely falsifiable.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      @Chip

      You don't seem to understand what "falsifiable" means. It's a good thing. If a specific theory has a falsifiable/verifiable hypothesis that we can test for, we can determine if the theory is correct on that specific point or not. It ADDS knowledge. Science, essentially, is about measurement. Creationism doesn't allow for measurement of any specific hypotheses and as such, is merely an a'ssumption so you might as well a'ssume anything you want in place of that original belief.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Blue Dog

      @Chip I can't believe you asked the question. How do you disprove the fact that age of Earth can be accurately measured to more than 4 billions years. How can you disprove that there are fossils found all over the earth whose age is more than millions years old? How can you disprove that DNA analysis of human and chimps DNA has now proved that evolution is real?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  3. Universalist

    Ok, who did God talk to today? Fess up.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
  4. Al

    Science guy thinks he is so smart with all his facts. He doesn't realize that anything born in antiquity is just as good as a fact to the majority.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      And do you think that is right?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Al

      Yes, a book with some parts almost 3,000 years old can't be wrong. The ancient authors were much more intelligent than humans today. Why is this so hard to understand? What is wrong with you people?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Will Farouti

      Yo, Al. Here's the sarcasm tag you forgot:

      /s

      September 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      "The ancient authors were much more intelligent than humans today."

      Please cite your sources for this claim.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Dean

      After reading remarks in here it is obvious that ancient authors were much more intelligent than people of today.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Al and Dean

      It is people that think like you that really put a damper on progress. I bet you both would have loved to live back in the Dark Ages, right?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Al

      Dean,

      lol

      September 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • Al

      Vocal Atheist,

      Read Will's comment.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  5. Reality

    Only for the new members of this blog: ( TOPIC INFORMATION THAT EVERYONE SHOULD BE AWARE WITH RESPECT TO THEIR OWN EVOLUTION)

    Are you part Neanderthal? Read below. (this is no joke)

    Besides the dinosaurs and other fossils in our evolutionary process:

    You might be part Neaderthal and for $99 actually find out:

    As per National Geographic's Genographic project:
    https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/

    " DNA studies suggest that all humans today descend from a group of African ancestors who about 60,000 years ago began a remarkable journey. Follow the journey from them to you as written in your genes”.

    "Adam" is the common male ancestor of every living man. He lived in Africa some 60,000 years ago, which means that all humans lived in Africa at least at that time.

    Unlike his Biblical namesake, this Adam was not the only man alive in his era. Rather, he is unique because his descendents are the only ones to survive.

    It is important to note that Adam does not literally represent the first human. He is the coalescence point of all the genetic diversity."

    For your $99 and a DNA swab:

    "Included in the markers we will test for is a subset that scientists have recently determined to be from our hominin cousins, Neanderthals and the newly discovered Denisovans, who split from our lineage around 500,000 years ago. As modern humans were first migrating out of Africa more than 60,000 years ago, Neanderthals and Denisovans were still alive and well in Eurasia. It seems that our ancestors met, leaving a small genetic trace of these ancient relatives in our DNA. With Geno 2.0, you will learn if you have any Neanderthal or Denisovan DNA in your genome."
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    September 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
  6. Al

    Religion teaches us to have blind faith without facts.
    Science teaches us to have facts without blind faith.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Chip Fields

      actually, we all see the same evidence, we just interpret it differently based upon our presuppositions (and, yes, we all have presuppositions)

      September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • donna

      No Chip, we don't all see the same evidence. These parents aren't reading evolutionary research to their kids.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:34 pm |
  7. Erik

    How is saying we were "created in the image of God" any more believable than the idea our "souls" are a result of an intergalactic war between space aliens, as Scientologists believe? Neither view has any evidence to back it up other than the written word of certain individuals.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • RONALD DIBERTO

      in truth our souls have been proven to exist in the past. but have been forced down by the central science academies.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duncan_MacDougall_%28doctor%29

      these test continue, and have been proven correct. we all lose 21 grams at the point of death. no matter your age, weight or size.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Hey Ronnie!

      "His results have never been reproduced, and are generally regarded either as meaningless or considered to have had little if any scientific merit. [1][2] Nonetheless, MacDougall's finding that the human soul weighed 21 grams has become a meme in the public consciousness, mostly due to its claiming the ti*tular thesis in the 2003 film 21 Grams."

      September 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  8. The rev

    I'm a degreed scientist and a degreed theologian. There are two perfectly good ways to explain creation which are both true but seen through two different lenses. One is the truth through scripture, which is theology and metaphor. The other is the truth through science which is measurable and observable fact. They are two completely different experiences of reality and cannot be mixed or jumbled together as the Creationists try to do. Creationists dishonor both God and science and only provide good amunition for athiests who like to poke fun at people with faith.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      I agree.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Sad

      Agreed.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:29 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      For some reason we want to know HOW processes work. Science helps us in this endeavor.
      For some reason we want to have an individual place in a meaningful narrative. Myth helps us in this endeavor.

      (I intend the word "myth" in the philosophical and literary sense, not as some derogatory or pejorative term)

      September 1, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Elena

      tom tom you agree with the poster comment and you not even understood his point? lol how fullish you are

      September 1, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Elena

      are you physicist? can you explain this for me?
      I would like to hear from scientist an explanation as to how is it that light by pure chance acquired the ability to carry information, ans how is it that by pure change the optic nerves develop by pure chance the ability to transform the light it receives in electromagnetic impulses and more incredible maintaining the information carried in that light intact and convey it to the particles of the brain atoms that in turn even more amazingly by pure chance develop the ability to interpret that information and transform it in to images colours and more.
      even more astonishing same goes for all other senses where information is carried in waves to the brain and transformed into an experience by what we called mind?
      How could that all have been by pure chance be so tuned to give rises to our living experiences?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      When you figure out that the word is "foolish", as has been pointed out for you previously, Elena, you can go on and tell me what makes you imagine that I don't understand the point the poster made.

      I can hardly wait.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your requests don't even make sense, Elena. Who is using the words "pure chance" to explain how species evolved?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:02 pm |
    • agathokles

      @Elena: You ask your question about how light came to carry information as though our inability to answer it disproves evolution. It does not. I feel perfectly fine about invoking God as creator of all - billions of years ago - and about invoking evolution to explain how we got to where we are today. The major dispute is not between believers in God and believers in evolution; it's between believers in evolution and those who insist upon a literal interpretation of the Bible.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:13 pm |
  9. RONALD DIBERTO

    This will settle everything. There is a forgotten term that was created by myself many years ago while in the lab.
    Creational Evolution. This is the state when God in his divine wisdom created everything and allowed it to grow and mature through evolution. Since there is no other way to explain the Big Bang Theory other than an outside source started the process, let's just say God flicked the switch on our creation. The Christian extremes will look upon this as heresy. But Adam and Eve were not the first people on earth. They were the first Faithful. Evolved from ape like creatures over millions of years. And the earth was created in 6 days. but 6 days according to someone who lives with eternity. So a day to god could be millions or billions of years. So please stop taking the early scriptures in a literal sense. It does not work.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • HumanityHater

      Most loonies refuse such a reasonable explanation. They want it to be literal literal literal. And thus they are lunatics!

      September 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
  10. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things ,

    September 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
  11. jl

    Whatever.– one mans opinion does not run the universe. Next! We can think what we want evolution = no accountability therefore" I am a god " just a deception to feed the minds of the lost. Lucifer is trying to get his trophies for eternity as usual. Job 38:4 Where were YOU when I stretched forth the heavens like a curtain...."

    September 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Your assertion is flawed and untrue.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • nope

      @midwest...
      nope

      September 1, 2012 at 12:26 pm |
    • midwest rail

      Scintillating reply.... ( eye roll )

      September 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Universalist

      What if God is a carpet. Does that mean if i get rug burns God is trying to talk to me?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
  12. Imagine No Religion

    Bill Nye is the man! We need more scientists to step up and expose these frauds. Creationists need to crawl back under whatever rock they slithered out from under 6000 years ago. Fantasy belongs in comic books, not science books.

    Ken Ham is an idiot! Period.

    -
    "There ain't no jesus gonna come from the sky.
    Now that I found out, I know I can cry." – John Lennon

    September 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • truth be told

      Nye isn't a scientist, he is the host of a kids tv show. Do you get all your thinking done for you by pee wee herman?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      He's more of a scientist than you'll ever be, TuBeTop.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:25 pm |
    • chris hitchens

      bill nye is tom toms favoooorite science guy. lil tom tom just sits in front of the tv with its thumb in its mouth in a puddle of pi ss until billy says goodnight

      September 1, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Oooh, guess my comments left a mark on poor widdle chrissy.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • Jhamilton918

      @Truth be told He holds a mechanical engineering degree from Cornell, where he was taught under Carl Sagan and two more Honorary doctorates. He also worked for Boeing as a consultant for many years. He IS a scientist.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      TBT and chrissie are too busy kissing each other's butts to read your comments.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • peakprofit

      Bill Nye has a Mechanical Engineering degree from Cornell. I think that qualifies as a scientist enough.

      How is the GED working out for you?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Mcr

      Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer. So yes, he is a scientist, he's just more of a practical scientist. I'm sure he can't compare to your dual chem/bio PhDs though

      September 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • truth be told

      Apparently the only mark Tom Tom has left is a nasty smelling stain on a rug in front of its tv.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:43 pm |
    • Imagine No Religion

      Well, Truth be Twisted, exactly where did I say Bill Nye is a scientist? All I said was more scientists need to stand up against the c rap spewed by Ken Ham and his delusional followers. Seems to me that your reading comprehension skills are on the level of the average Pee Wee Herman viewer.

      But since you brought it up, Mr Nye has a Bachelor of Science degree from Cornell University. He is also a reputable and renowned science educator, and the Executive Director of The Planetary Society.. Read (if you can) more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye and educate yourself.

      Mr Nye's science credentials are solid, as opposed to Ken Ham (President – The Snake-Oil Petroleum Company).

      -
      "There ain't no jesus gonna come from the sky.
      Now that I found out, I know I can cry." – John Lennon

      September 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Poor TuBeTop, busted again.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:48 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hey, TuBeTop, why don't you tell everyone here what your educational credentials are?

      That'll be the shortest post here.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • nope

      @tom tom
      nope ,

      September 1, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
  13. Johnny

    If we were created in gods perfect image then his creation is flawed, what god would create a being and have it breathe out of the same orifice that we eat out of, kind of increases your chances of choking and dying quite a bit huh? just saying.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Dean

      God's spiritual image, not physical image.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Will Farouti

      Dean, where in your holey book does it say "spiritual image, not physical image."

      Oh, you made that up. Thought so.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
  14. Dean

    Mankind is frighteningly stupid, given the tools at our disposal.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Dean

      There are two of us!

      September 1, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
  15. Brock

    I suppose you folks think that Santa and the Easter bunny is fact?

    September 1, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Elena

      what makes you think that creationist are so stupid to believe such thing? I am sure that instead of telling your love ones, " Love you with all my heart, you tell them I love you with all my brain? lol

      September 1, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      The fact that you can't seem to add an 's' to a word to express a plural is what makes me think you're stupid, Elena.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Elena

      there are no other stupid than those who use violence and insults as arguments? just because English isn't my first language means i am stupid, your arrogance its the sign of you stupidity. otherwise north koreans and the pakistanies who do not speak English wouldn't build nuclear bombs, and i I feel bad for Aristotle who didn't speak English therefore he was stupid!

      you the perfect arrogant full who thinks that grammar makes people intelligent!

      September 1, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
    • Max

      No – most Christians do not believe Santa and the Easter Bunny are real. But, they do believe that Jesus was a real person in history. There is, despite that the Atheists would like to make you believe, some recording in ancient history of a man Jesus. Atheists like to say that Christians added that later – but if you do some real research – you won't agree with that. I would suggest some books for you to read, written by a Scholar and professor at Oregon State University named Marcus Borg. It might give you something from a different aspect to think about. Just google him, and you will find a list of his books.
      Atheist that make fun of people who believe in Christianity are a bit immature. At least some of us who call themselves Christian don't make fun of atheists. We debate – but usually not name calling.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Your arguments wouldn't hold water even if you expressed them in perfect English, Elena.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Dean

      If they weren't fact you would not be referring to them.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • Elena

      If Jesus was not a person how could a fantasy make millions of followers called christians just like 30 years after his dead? Do you forget that real history tells us about the burning of Rome in the year 61 AD and the Neron blamed the Christians. and that Tacitus mentioned Jesus in his Annals book 15 chapter 45 if im not mistaken? did you even know who Tacitus was?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Jesus may very well have existed; that doesn't prove divinity.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • OTOH

      Elena,

      Tacitus talked about Hercules in Germania. Chapter 3. That must mean he was/is real too, eh?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:50 pm |
  16. Elena

    I would like to hear from scientist an explanation as to how is it that light by pure chance acquired the ability to carry information, ans how is it that by pure change the optic nerves develop by pure chance the ability to transform the light it receives in electromagnetic impulses and more incredible maintaining the information carried in that light intact and convey it to the particles of the brain atoms that in turn even more amazingly by pure chance develop the ability to interpret that information and transform it in to images colours and more.
    even more astonishing same goes for all other senses where information is carried in waves to the brain and transformed into an experience by what we called mind?
    How could that all have been by pure chance be so tuned to give rises to our living experiences?

    September 1, 2012 at 12:19 pm |
    • Dean

      These properties aren't locked to a specific use, but can be exploited whoever we can and choose to use them. Whether a rock is smooth or rough can be used as well tactically.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • tom-ay

      why not? i'd prefer to think aliens did it. does that make me the faithful or the unfaithful? and who cares? we are all on this planet to form a symbiosis with it, we don't do a very good job of that...

      September 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Elena

      what? ???

      September 1, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • Thomas

      A scientist could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand it.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:35 pm |
    • Elena

      Why would I not understand it, do you have the explanation? explain it to me? it is not me saying that particles only exist as a wave of possibilities till they are observed?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:41 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Elena, what point would there be in explaining it to you in a language in which you aren't fluent? Why don't you pick up a science book written in your first language and read it?

      September 1, 2012 at 12:44 pm |
    • Universalist

      Your a dimwitt of unbelievable proportion.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • agathokles

      What?? Light carried information long before any life was around to receive/interpret it. That's physics, not biology. But when it comes to the development of "vision," well it's not a stretch to imagine an evolutionary path between bacteria or algae that have photoreceptors (to tell them which way to swim towards light) and humans. I think most folks who cannot imagine evolution are folks who know so little about biology that they're essentially lost causes.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:55 pm |
    • Elena

      agathokles, you are telling facts but I want to know how did light acquired the ability to carry information and how those one celled beings acquired photoreceptor completely tuned to received the information conveyed in light, and further more, if light carried information to give instructions to those beings where do those instruction came from

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • Terry

      Pure chance...don't like that, hey ..?..Of course, a little training in probabilities would probably give you the beginning of decent answers, but you would have to study for that, would you not ?..Pure chance has nothing to do with all we see around us... Actually, even probabilities have little to do,except that we know the probability range was tiny indeed...
      Hang on to your brain : Things are what they are because we are here. It's a closed loop..If things were not what they are, we would not be here ( as a specie)..If we were not here, things would be different ( but we could not tell, could we..?).
      So it might as well be God sacred word that did it all.. Except that the issue is not about "who done it", but Time !.. Is it inconceivable to think that God spoke a word ( or two, or read a book...) and then let things evolve according to his plan.. That would reconcile his existence with free will, at the very least.
      Choosing to believe that Time is not a factor ( as in the time necessary for evolution to do its thing) is such a narrow view of the world that one has to wonder at the intellectual capacity of 40% + of the US population: The fact that this 40% + votes is the real fright...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • donna

      Who told you that scientists thought that was all a result of pure chance? You aren't going to get a scientific explanation for that, because the evidence doesn't tell us that it was pure chance.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:37 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Elena is stuck on her own beliefs and simply refuses to accept any evidence to the contrary.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  17. jimmyleetexas

    Creationists have built an alternative reality that ignores science in favor of theology. They would prefer to raise narrow-minded ignorant children who believe in fairy tales than to have them be productive in the real world. Fundamentalists are cut from the same cloth as the Taliban, just different language and clothes.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
  18. agathokles

    Too many folks equate belief in evolution with disbelief in God. That's nonsense. I believe in God; I believe God 'created' the universe. I just don't believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. What is nonsense, is believing - in the face of all the evidence to the contrary - that the earth is 10,000 years old. "Genesis," like other books of the Bible, is not to be taken literally. It's a creation myth. Look, if you're going to be taking the Bible literally, your head will explode. There are inconsistencies in it, all over the place. There are two conflicting creation stories, for example. Different stories of Jesus' birth, as another example. Literalists contort themselves into pretzels, attempting to reconcile irreconcilable passages in the Bible.

    I follow official Roman Catholic teaching on the Bible: That the Bible is without error only in those elements having to do with our salvation. The Bible is "truth," not "fact." When Jesus tells the story of the workers in the vineyard, you're missing the point if you start wondering where that vineyard was. It's a story illustrating a greater truth about human nature. It does not necessarily have to have actually taken place. When you read the Bible, ask merely, "What inspired truth was the author trying to convey, here?"

    Bottom line: One can believe in God without having to reject evolution. Reject literal interpretation of the Bible.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
    • Alban Saunders

      After 60 years of study, I have never found a single of these "all over the place" inconsistencies". They live only in the minds of casual, lazy scholars who fear that the truths of the Bible will expose their own sin and they will have to face their ultimate eternal destination.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • The rev

      Amen!

      September 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm |
    • agathokles

      @Alban Saunders: You've go to be kidding! Heck, we can start with Genesis. As Francis Collins says, "Science can't be put together with a literalist interpretation of Genesis," he continues. "For one thing, there are two different versions of the creation story" — in Genesis 1 and 2 — "so right from the start, you're already in trouble." Christians should think of Genesis "not as a book about science but about the nature of God and the nature of humans," Collins believes. "Evolution gives us the 'how,' but we need the Bible to understand the 'why' of our creation."

      Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1895284,00.html#ixzz25EqJhB49

      September 1, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
  19. budshot

    Geez, but this country is dumb, with all those nutjobs believing in myths and fantasy. No wonder we're falling behind.

    September 1, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • The Son At Dawn

      It's more likely we're falling behind because we keep thinking that things are myths and fantasy. The frustration building between G-d and science comes from the fact that there is a Creator and He uses science. He just has a much better grasp on it since it is His creation. But from our perspective there is no G-d, and there is only science, exactly the way it was intended. If I was a creator (little c) I would not want my SimCity citizens to know that I was there, it would ruin the whole thing. But if you try to focus on thinking bigger than just yourself the pieces suddenly come together. If you can do this and act on your changing perception the Creator might just wave at you from behind the curtain and show you His version of 'Hollywood Magic'.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      There is a God? How do you know? You don't know anything of the sort. You BELIEVE. There's a difference.

      September 1, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
  20. John Blackadder

    You can fool some of the people all of the time!

    September 1, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
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