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Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video
"The idea of deep time ... explains so much of the world around us," Bill Nye said in the viral video.
August 31st, 2012
04:34 PM ET

Creationists hit back at Bill Nye with their own video

By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.

"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.

Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.

"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.

Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.

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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."

Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.

The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.

"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."

For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.

In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.

A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.

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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.

"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.

Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.

"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"

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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.

The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.

- CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Creationism • Science

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    September 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Halkes

      Wow, thanks a lot. Now I just have to figure out what 3 letter combination CNN is allergic to.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
    • Max Powers

      You are kind of awesome, George Carlin salutes you from beyond the grave. Or he would, but he's dead.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:51 pm |
    • ScottCA

      To sensor out any words as taboo is childish and befitting of a free press.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  2. Jack Sparrow

    Harry Potter is evil because his magic cannot be deemed good or evil. Gayness is a life style choice. The earth is only 3,000 years old. Dinosaurs and people lived side by side. Either that or evil liberals buried fake skeletons to draw people away from god. Nearderthal, cro magnon, etc. never existed. More lies from the evil liberal media.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • tony

      Harry Potter is "evil" because he has many god-like powers, but is known to be a fantasy constructed by a mere, but known to exist, human.. Thus he is threat to the concept of religion, which then becomes obviously a fantasy constructed by some past, believed to exist humans.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • tony

      The concept of "evil" as an abstract force, or affecting otherwise normal humans, is solely an invention of religious leaders. There is no such thing as "natural" evil. Nor something that was "created" either.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
    • edweird69

      So when did you choose to be straight? Gayness is no more of a choice than eye color.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • tallulah13

      Whatever, Brony.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Ha, Tally. I was thinking that this turd might be Brony...

      September 1, 2012 at 3:11 pm |
  3. Ice Man

    There is a reason we don't say the " Lords" prayer in Canadian schools anymore. We don't belive in the Jesus fairy.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • doomsheep

      So one belief is imposed on those who do not believe in said allowed belief? How is that any different?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:20 pm |
  4. Chicken Paradox

    Why not bring creationists and non-creationists(evolutionists), together? Adam and Eve may have had a lot of hair, similar to monkeys. And G-d took it away, and Adam and Eve was ashamed and naked, so they covered themselves up with leaves. Imagine someone shaving a part of your head....wouldn't you feel a little ashamed? With a large chunk of your hair missing? Need a cap?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:55 pm |
    • Lilith

      Noncreationist (if that's even a word) does not mean evolutionist. You try to be fair but your very choice of grammar gives you away. Why would God(s) not shave your ENTIRE body? Why would our arms and have finer hair on them? Fact is, we're all covered with hair .. it's just different thickness, coarsness and length. Evolution can answer this but the bible does not.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  5. david

    THIS JUST HAPPENED BY CHANCE?????
    The four fundamental forces come into play both in the vastness of the cosmos and in the infinite smallness of atomic structures. Yes, everything we see around us is involved.
    Elements vital for our life (particularly carbon, oxygen, and iron) could not exist were it not for the fine-tuning of the four forces evident in the universe. We already mentioned one force, gravity. Another is the electromagnetic force. If it were significantly weaker, electrons would not be held around the nucleus of an atom. ‘Would that be serious?’ some might wonder. Yes, because atoms could not combine to form molecules. Conversely, if this force were much stronger, electrons would be trapped on the nucleus of an atom. There could be no chemical reactions between atoms—meaning no life. Even from this standpoint, it is clear that our existence and life depend on the fine-tuning of the electromagnetic force.
    And consider the cosmic scale: A slight difference in the electromagnetic force would affect the sun and thus alter the light reaching the earth, making photosynthesis in plants difficult or impossible. It could also rob water of its unique properties, which are vital for life. So again, the precise tuning of the electromagnetic force determines whether we live or not.
    Equally vital is the intensity of the electromagnetic force in relation to the other three. For example, some physicists figure this force to be 10,000,- 000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1040) times that of gravity. It might seem a small change to that number to add one more zero (1041). Yet that would mean that gravity is proportionally weaker, and Dr. Reinhard Breuer comments on the resulting situation: “With lower gravity the stars would be smaller, and the pressure of gravity in their interiors would not drive the temperature high enough for nuclear fusion reactions to get under way: the sun would be unable to shine.” You can imagine what that would mean for us!
    What if gravity were stronger proportionately, so that the number had only 39 zeros (1039)? “With just this tiny adjustment,” continues Breuer, “a star like the sun would find its life expectancy sharply reduced.” And other scientists consider the fine-tuning to be even more precise.
    Indeed, two remarkable qualities of our sun and other stars are long-term efficiency and stability. Consider a simple illustration. We know that to run efficiently, an automobile engine needs a critical ratio between fuel and air; engineers design complex mechanical and computer systems to optimize performance. If that is so with a mere engine, what of the efficiently “burning” stars such as our sun? The key forces involved are precisely tuned, optimized for life. Did that precision just happen? The ancient man Job was asked: “Did you proclaim the rules that govern the heavens, or determine the laws of nature on earth?” (Job 38:33, The New English Bible) No human did. So from where does the precision come?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • tony

      Actually life formed based on the opportunities and paths available for it.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Aezel

      The "fine tuning" argument is for those with the intellectual capacity of a gnat, and has been thoroughly refuted by both statisticians and physicists. Simply saying something again and again doesn't make it true, and your 5th grade level assessment of the situation is laughable at best.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Good questions. I vote we keep an open mind and keep trying to find the answers. I certainly wouldn't want to declare that some invisible sky wizard made it all by chanting magic spellz because that would be about as useful as saying that it was all farted out by a huge pink unicorn. How about admit that we don't know, like science does, and keep searching for clues to the answers?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • Coolb

      science maybe? Natural occurrences? You can't prove a god did it. You can only spit out words from a 2000 year old book. Why does having faith also mean you need to be blind and susceptible to lunacy?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:00 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      And... Um... Is that evidence that there's an invisible man in the sky who loves you, or is it evidence that you aren't able to imagine how it could happen?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • Harry

      David, I absolutely agree with your analysis. The universe is so finely tuned, that the chances of this happening without God are the same as throwing a dart from earth orbit and hitting a bulls eye on earth. The bulls eye being the size of an atom.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:06 pm |
    • tony

      If a god created our universe with only the perfect conditions for life, then the moon, mars, etc., would teeming with it too.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:11 pm |
    • doomsheep

      Coolb we have on the Creation side Adaptation, Viruses, Bacteria, Selective Breeding & Genetic Modification. You have random chance. Which is more rational?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
    • Coolb

      doomsheep – you didn't have to prove my lunacy comment but job well done.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:43 pm |
    • david

      1 Corinthians 2:6-16 "Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.
      11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. 12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].
      14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ."

      September 1, 2012 at 2:47 pm |
  6. kenchandammit

    It's a good thing god made Jesus Asian That way, he was able to save so many more of the people he loves than had he made Jesus middle-eastern or something.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
  7. Jack Sparrow

    My church is organizing a book burning. Nothing screams intelligent like book burning!

    September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • tony

      God sees even the meanest Sparrow fall.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:12 pm |
  8. Dan

    It took the Roman Catholic Church a couple hundred years to admit the that once blasphemous idea that the earth is the center of the universe is t fact .I guess it's going to take another couple hundred years for protestant conservatives to admit they are wrong and that the Earth is Billions of years old.I am so tired of non-thinking people trying to force mythology as truth .

    September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Ice Man

      I wonder if they know the earth is round yet?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  9. TheVocalAtheist

    Jack Sparrow!

    You said: "The human body was not made to grow old"

    Please cite your sources.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  10. The Holocaust Makes Me Laugh

    Relgious chicks are always the worst lay. They refuse to shave their tacos and they refuse to take facials.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
  11. 5587hours

    I guess if Ol Nye would grow a little black mustach under his nose and raise his right arm and scream "SIG HEIL" and make all Christians wear a cloth gold cross on their shirt and push em into ghettos then shipem off to "RE-EDUCATION" camps in wooden train cars. I guess that would be just fine with all you "OPEN-MINDED" Liberals. Be careful, you just might be next crammed into a boxcar.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • tony

      "Onward Christian Soldiers"

      September 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • PepCap

      Funny, that due was a total right wing nut!! Please. get ur doctrines figured out. if He had a$8,000 suit and gold cufflinks u would probably send him money and believe in his man made snake oil.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      It's "Sieg Heil."

      You're obviously a complete dolt. It figures you're a Republican, too.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • Aezel

      Indisputable facts about the physical reality of the universe have little to do with politics. Only a willfully ignorant dips**t like you would try and insert politics into a scientific argument.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Andy Dufraigne

      We can only hope.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:57 pm |
    • TheMovieFan

      Strawman alert.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • cybercmdr

      Godwin's Law, proved once more: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

      September 1, 2012 at 2:03 pm |
  12. Jack Sparrow

    Evil scientists. What has science ever contributed to civilization?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • tony

      The size of building foundations.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Hmm. What are you writing on? A stone tablet?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
  13. Autism is Hilarious

    If evolution is real, how does one account for Jesus Christ administering anallingus to Allah's sacred butthole? Bam, son!!

    September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • your mom

      Joe...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Andy Dufraigne

      Haha!!!!!!!!!!!! Pure gold!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • Joaquin

      Pow!

      September 1, 2012 at 4:16 pm |
  14. damo12345

    Wait, I thought The Flintstones was their rebuttal?

    September 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
  15. david

    To say that all those that believe in God think that the the universe was created in in 7 literal days is a false statement in itself. All throughtout the bible you can see examples were God used the expresion of a day to mean a period of time. These "7 days" of creation are distinct periods of time in which God created the universe. Each day is completed when God had completed what he set out for that "day". Evolutionists like Bill Nye try to tell christians how wrong and unscientific belief in God is but yet they can't explain the mathmatical impossibilities of life just happening out of nothing. The Big Bang theory is a mathmatical impossibility unless of course there was a God there to direct this explosion of creation.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Please provide verifiable proof to your claims.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • edweird69

      FACT: the world is at least 4.6 billion years old. The bible claims to be approximately 6,500. Christians try to argue this by saying the usage of the word “day” in genesis is actually a term for thousands of years in time. This rationalization, they believe can help evolution be accepted into the bible. In other words Christians are trying to say that the word “day” is not meant to be as a 24 hour period. This idea is COMPLETELY FALSE AND NOT PLAUSIBLE. All it takes is a little research into the meaning of the Hebrew word for day and the usage of it in consistency. Of course, it should be common knowledge that the first five books of the Old Testament were written in Hebrew. The Hebrew word for day used in the genesis is account is “yom”, which is a definite 24-hour period. Christians attempt to say that because there was no sun until the fourth day, that the word yom is null and void. This cant be, for the lord claimed there was light, a morning and an evening PRIOR to the sun being created, hence the sun was not even needed. (Also note another contradiction here, that Christians/Jews refuse to notice. They’ll claim the word yom is void because there is no sun, yet that would mean that there couldn’t have been light or a way to decipher between morning and evening. Obviously this is a MAJOR scientific blunder on Jehovah’s behalf.)

      September 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Coolb

      There is a higher probability that universe was created by a dog rather then a god.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • therealpeace2all

      @david

      You are arguing the *scientifically* *unverifiable* **mythologies** of the Bible.

      Peace...

      September 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      Look, david-I-don't-believe-in-math-because-4+banana-does-not-equal-trainstation, you may want to find out what evolution actually states before you go off disagreeing with it. Evolution does NOT say that life came from "nothing."

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Lilith

      Either the Bible is the word of God or it is not, so if you believe it is you must believe it all literally or you are denying Gods direct word! You cannot pick and choose what is convenient for you to believe -or- you can join us Atheists in the real world.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:58 pm |
    • creation002

      i have to agree with you on this one i am a believer in the bible because its the true word of god people out there can and will say just anything they want but if you look at the middle east today david all you see is bible prophecy being fullfilled and man alone cannot fullfill it that good the bible makes it clear that all will hate israel in the end and now you see it happening everyday over there the bible is not wrong people say it contridicts itself but it dont the truth is it moves onto another story place and time and its different from the last story people see contridictions in anything they want to but the truth is the bible is happening the sighns of the end days are here and religion over there causes death and destruction because there false religions true christians will not kill nor will they start war its people like that that try to make true christians look bad many people will claim to be christian but wont and scientist on evoulution hate the bible because the bible knows more and can explain wisdom and understanding of things thats science and evoulion cant explain dont get me wrong evouluition does exist but so does the god who made it and the bible dont say the world is 6000 years old thats just when it started keeping track of history the world could very well be billions of years old but theres no time in gods eyes theres only eternity and we all await that eternity after we die theres an after life i my self have seen it well anyway god bless you and have a great day the middle east and israel is where your prophecies will happen from the bible signs of jesus coming are near

      September 1, 2012 at 2:05 pm |
    • david

      The proteins needed for life have very complex molecules. What is the chance of even a simple protein molecule forming at random in an organic soup? Evolutionists acknowledge it to be only one in 10 to the 113 power (1 followed by 113 zeros). But any event that has one chance in just 10 to the 50 power is dismissed by mathematicians as never happening.
      Some proteins serve as structural materials and others as enzymes. The latter speed up needed chemical reactions in the cell. Without such help, the cell would die. Not just a few, but 2,000 proteins serving as enzymes are needed for the cell’s activity. What are the chances of obtaining all of these at random? One chance in 10 to the40,000 power ! “An outrageously small probability,” Sir Fredrick Hoyle asserts in the Scientific American, “that could not be faced even if the whole universe consisted of organic soup.” He adds: “If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court.”

      September 1, 2012 at 2:14 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      So... God is a mathematical possibility? You believe what you believe because you were told by those around you to believe it. That's it. No evidence. Just... someone told you. They also told you that you'll burn in he-ll if you don't believe it and you've been scared ever since. That's why they tell you that: because it works.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
    • david

      I do not pick and choose what I want to believe in the bible Lilith. I put scripture in context when athiest such as yourself try to take God's word out of context. And as for you your remark Kenchan, you assume you know my beliefs on scripture, you assume I believe in the hell fire doctrine, you assume alot!! You do not have a clue as to who I am or what I believe concerning Gods word! You just wish to denegrate all christians. As far as your claim that I serve God out of fear, that is false, I serve God out of love. I have seen personally the effects God has a ones life and have been pulled out of a pit of darkness I was in when I did not have God in my life.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:28 pm |
    • david

      God is not just a mathmatical posssibility Kenchan, it is mathmatically impossible for God not to exist! All evolutionary theories fall apart when mathmatical probabilities come into play, in fact any other scientific theories would be dismissed by the mathmatics but for some reason evolutionists ignore the math.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:35 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      @ david. Ok, so you pulled your life around and now you're happy. Show me one piece of evidence that there is an invisible man in the sky.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:46 pm |
    • david

      If you refuse to believe Kenchan I cannot make you believe. We all must humble ourselves to God and recognize we do not have all the answers. 1 Corinthians 2:6-16 "Now we speak wisdom among those who are mature, but not the wisdom of this system of things nor that of the rulers of this system of things, who are to come to nothing. 7 But we speak God’s wisdom in a sacred secret, the hidden wisdom, which God foreordained before the systems of things for our glory. 8 This [wisdom] not one of the rulers of this system of things came to know, for if they had known [it] they would not have impaled the glorious Lord. 9 But just as it is written: “Eye has not seen and ear has not heard, neither have there been conceived in the heart of man the things that God has prepared for those who love him.” 10 For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.
      11 For who among men knows the things of a man except the spirit of man that is in him? So, too, no one has come to know the things of God, except the spirit of God. 12 Now we received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that have been kindly given us by God. 13 These things we also speak, not with words taught by human wisdom, but with those taught by [the] spirit, as we combine spiritual [matters] with spiritual [words].
      14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ."

      September 1, 2012 at 2:53 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      The only way to know the mathematical probability of life occurring on a given planet would be to 1) know how many total planets there are, and 2) divide that number by the number of planets that harbor life. Until we know enough to do that simple calculation, we will never know the answer. The current evidence, however, seems to suggest that the probability is low, however, the evidence we have (light and electromagnetic radiation) is billions of years old by the time it reaches us so we will most likely never know what the current state of life is on other worlds. There could very well be other intelligent beings on other worlds pointing telescopes right now in our direction. But the light they see would be billions of years old and they would not be able to determine if there is life on our planet. So, the probability of spontaneous life might actually be quite high, but we don't yet have the technology to know.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:04 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      @ David. You do know that you are quoting books that were written by men, right? Men... Nothing else... Again, please, one small piece of evidence that there is an invisible man in the sky...?

      September 1, 2012 at 3:09 pm |
    • kenchandammit

      @ david BTW, all sarcasm aside, I'm happy for you that you found happiness. If religion is working for you, then I say, more power to you and don't be dissuaded by any of us atheists. The only problem I have with 'god-believers' is when they try to force aspects of their beliefs into public policy where it affects me too. Please keep your 'creation' out of my school and I'll promise to keep my evolution out of your church/synagogue/temple whatever. Remember separation of church and state and that it's our country, too. Have a good long weekend, my friend.

      September 1, 2012 at 3:42 pm |
    • Joaquin

      edweird, you make an excellent point. The book of Genesis, in the Bible, says that God created our universe in seven consecutive days; one week. To twist the interpretation of this straightforward statement into meaning something other than what it says on its face is to launch into a realm of interpreting the text as a kabbalistic cipher. In the New Testament, Jesus addressed His followers after His resurrection, and told them that he would return, to preside over the end of the world, before the last one of them died. That is another commonly-euphemised passage. Regardless of one's beliefs, such apologetic gyrations are fallacious.

      This article fails to make an important point: the evidence for the reality of what we call evolution brooks no contradiction. The debate between the members of the scientific community and the members of the community of faith is over the origin of life, and whether the evolutionary process is responsible for the diversity of Earth's lifeforms. There is no reasonable debate over whether evolution is a genuine, verifiable natural process. It's beyond the denial of any reasonable adult.

      September 1, 2012 at 4:30 pm |
  16. tony

    You can make a young, uneducated child believe almost anything.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Lilith

      1 Corinthians 13:11 .. When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      The child doesn't need to be uneducated, just a child is all that is needed.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
  17. tmas

    Could someone please explain how male and female both evolved, who fit together so perfectly they produce children.This seems like a plan to me. And there fore a planner. I have had science classes but never got past this obsticle.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      I wonder if your science classes were about as effective as your English classes? Individuals don't evolve; species evolve. Very simplistic, basic information online should help you. Are you willing to consider the evidence?

      September 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      You flunked spelling I see, also you need to explore and read and learn. It's way too easy and lazy and just say godidit. Get off your butt and do some reading!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Aezel

      Just because you are too stupid to understand basic genetic and biological principals behind sêxual variation doesn't mean somehow they aren't true. If you really want to know, go read at textbook. If after reading a textbook on the subject you still can't understand it then please just do the world a favor and don't reproduce.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      Look how they start ridiculing you on your spelling lol. Thats why they say those that are wise in the world shall not inherit the world.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:47 pm |
    • Coolb

      you didn't pay enough attention then.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • Dennis

      Use Google and Youtube. It isn't a hard question.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
  18. John P. Tarver

    The global geological record proved almost 40 years ago that species occur rapidly following a mass extinction, the opposite of Evolution. It is time for the Department of Education to update their science cirriculum to reflect the 20th century. Evolution is not a means to Species and the big bang was disproven by Relativity over a century ago.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Please cite your sources of information, thank you.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      John, you seem woefully inexperienced with the fields of genetics and the fundamental forces / universe-stellar evolution. May I suggest you read up on the topics.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Aezel

      ^^ citation needed. Of course you're not going to be able to find one because it is pure bulls**t.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • midwest rail

      T.V.A. – Mr. Tarver has been repeatedly asked that question, and he won't answer. He just posts this nonsense, waits an hour or two, then posts it again. Sort of like slow-motion Tourettes.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
  19. Jack Sparrow

    Ok I got a question for all you people that believe in Evilution explain to me why we grow old and die? Give me one logical answer.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:40 pm |
    • allenwoll

      Wearout.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • edweird69

      From a genetic viewpoint, the body is not a piece of static machinery that continues to function perpetually; it requires a steady stream of genetic maintenance as the years roll by (steady cell turnover to defy oxidative stress, an active immune system to keep cancerous cells at bay, etc). So, at the risk of gross oversimplification, you basically need specific anti-aging genes to keep you from aging.
      However, according to evolution, genes are only selected upon if they confer a reproductive advantage, something an anti-aging gene that keeps the body functioning well beyond its reproductive years does *not* do. Such an anti-aging gene would not be subjected to evolutionary pressure, and therefore would not be selected upon and passed down. What that basically means is, your genes think that maintaining an old, sterile body is useless, and would allow you to rot and die while they go off to take care of your younger and more virile offsprings.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:42 pm |
    • TheVocalAtheist

      Right-off the bat, you're an idiot for spelling evolution the way you did so I don't have any compulsion to give you a reasonable answer to your question, which by the way is so simple a 5th grader could answer it. Fu*ck off!

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Autism is Hilarious

      You are the smartest human being on the planet. Please stop whatever you are doing and write down all of your wisdom so it can be dispersed throughout the scientific community and enjoyed by future generations. Under Plato's school of thought you would be deemed a "Scholar Gentleman" and all of society would respect you. Thank you for your existence.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      Wear out is simply not an answer, you see you have not described why we grow old it has nothing to do with wear out. The human body was not made to grow old.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • The obvious

      Population control, just like all animal species.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:48 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      OOO look how mad you got about me making fun of your false relgiion.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:49 pm |
    • Moby Schtick

      lol, allenwol was the t/tle while edweird69 was the Cliff's Notes. Perhaps it's time you actually go read the book. Heck, I'd settle for you taking the easy way out and watching the film.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:50 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      The Vocal Athiest is just mad because it hurts him to know he is going to be held accountable.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:51 pm |
    • Aezel

      The simple answer is, without the reproductive population of a species dying off, it would remain genetically stagnant, and unable to adapt to changes in the environment.

      If you want to understand the biological mechanisms that make this work, go read a textbook. However you have already proven that you are both willfully ignorant and actually proud of how stupid you are so, I doubt it will happen.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:52 pm |
    • I am God

      Jack Sparrow don't be ignorant. People grow old and die to bring in a new generation of species that we have created. It is part of the evolution. Someone is born, that person or animal lives to its fullest potential and has its children, then they will eventually die to have its grandchildren or great grandchildren live. It is the way of life.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:10 pm |
    • Kenchandammit

      What does growing old and dying have to do with evolution? How does dying disprove evolution? Is dying evidence there is an invisible man in the sky?

      September 1, 2012 at 2:29 pm |
    • cybercmdr

      First, evolution asserts that those individuals with genes better suited to survive in an environment (more fit) are more likely to survive pass on those genes. Once those genes are passed on to offsping and the individual passes prime reproductive age, that individual becomes superfluous from a genetic standpoint.

      The fact that we survive longer than most animals shows that evolutionary selection has given us longer lives than most. Genes that might confer longer life have at most an indirect effect on the survival of the offspring for non-sentient species. In a sentient species like ours, having grandparents around to help and to pass on knowledge is beneficial. This is probably why we live so much longer than most animals (e.g. dog years).

      So actually, the theory of evolution is supported by the human lifespan. Beyond a certain point however, even humans become genetically superfluous, and living longer confers no advantage.

      September 1, 2012 at 2:30 pm |
  20. Jack Sparrow

    In the first day God Created the Heavens and the Earth (event) In the next day God created the Moon to give light by night (Event) Think of it like this When Moses wrote Genises he didn't use words like in the first 1 millions years God created the Heaven and the Earth because that wouldn't make sense to them they never used words like millions in the Bible because frankly man couldn't think of things in those numbers Millions is something that was never brought into mind until the existence of money. When describing how many Angels there was in the bible they said myriads. These people run people away from religion we all know the earth isn't 6-10,000 years old to think so would be foolish because most precious stones takes eons to make. That being said man is defenitly 6000 years old and the bible plainly states this starting with Adam. This world is to perfect aside from how humans treat each other to have happend by accident. This is the way Evolustionests think and physisits I cant spell some words right btw so oh well, that it had to have happend sometime or another. They fail to mention though how the human body keeps reproducing cells and creating new ones and yet we still grow old any scientist will tell you they cant understand how our bodies grow old when everything in our genetic make up suggest we should live forever without growing old.

    September 1, 2012 at 1:39 pm |
    • John P. Tarver

      To believe the Earth is 6000 years old is as foolish as Bill Nye's claim that the eath is 4.5 billion years old.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • allenwoll

      Jack - You are amusingly UN-informed !

      September 1, 2012 at 1:44 pm |
    • edweird69

      Just because there's not an explanation for something, doesn't mean we need to "invent" one. The whole creation story is invented. There is no reason to believe it. It makes no sense. If Adam and Eve didn't understand right from wrong, then punishing them for something they did wrong is illogical.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:46 pm |
    • Jack Sparrow

      They did know the difference between right and wrong becauseGod said you may eat from any tree of this garden just not that one tree. When Satan got Eve to eat the apple she wasn't just breaking a rule she was saying we don't need God to tell us what is right and what is wrong. You have a child and you tell your child not to eat the last cupcake on the table when that child eats that cupcake even though the house is surrounded by them and yet he eats that one cupcake its not just breaking your rule its saying that you have no right to tell them what to do.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:53 pm |
    • tallulah13

      I think that "Jack Sparrow" is just that "brony" guy again, with a new name and a new trolling topic.

      September 1, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
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