By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
(CNN) - Bill Nye's viral YouTube video pleading with parents not to teach their children to deny evolution has spawned an online life of its own, with prominent creationists hitting back against the popular TV host.
"Time is Nye for a Rebuttal," Ken Ham the CEO of Answers in Genesis writes on his website. Answers in Genesis is the Christian ministry behind the Creation Museum in Petersburg, Kentucky.
Nye's criticism of creationism went viral earlier this week, after being posted last Thursday.
"I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, that's completely inconsistent with the world we observe, that's fine. But don't make your kids do it," Nye says in his Big Think video, which has been viewed nearly 3 million times.
Ham writes that Nye is joining in with other evolutionists who say teaching children to deny evolution is a form of "child abuse." That idea comes in part from the atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, who in his book "The God Delusion" argues against exposing children to religion before they are old enough to fully understand it.
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"At AiG and the Creation Museum, we teach children and adults the truth concerning who they are in the Creator’s eyes — and where they came from," Ham writes. "We tell people that they do have purpose and meaning in life and that they were created for a purpose. "No, we are not just evolved animals as Nye believes; we are all made in the image of God."
Ham is the public face of a group that academics call Young Earth Creationists, though they prefer to be called Biblical Creationists. They believe in a literal interpretation of the creation account in the book of Genesis found in the Bible.
The Creation Museum also produced its own rebuttal video on YouTube that features two of their staff scientists, both Ph.Ds, David Menton and Georgia Purdom.
"[Nye] might be interested to know I also teach my young daughter about evolution and I know many Christian parents who do the same," Purdom says in the video. "Children should be exposed to both ideas concerning our past."
For the past 30 years, one popular method for Creationists to advance their cause has been to make an equal-time argument,with Creationism taught alongside evolution. In the late 1980s, some state legislatures passed bills that promoted the idea of a balanced treatment of both ideas in the classroom.
In 1987, the issue made it all the way to the Supreme Court, where a Louisiana "equal-time law" was struck down. The court ruled that teaching creationism in public school class rooms was a violation of the Establishment Cause in the Constitution, which is commonly referred to as the separation of church and state.
A key point between most scientists and many creationists is the timing for the origin of the world.
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Nye's argument falls in line with the vast majority of scientists, who date the age of the earth as 4.5 billion years old and the universe as 14.5 billion years old.
"The idea of deep time of billions of years explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your worldview becomes crazy, untenable, itself inconsistent," Nye says in his viral video.
Young Earth Creationists say the weeklong account of God creating the earth and everything in it represents six 24-hour periods (plus one day of rest) and date the age of the earth between 6,000 and 10,000 years.
"Yes we see fossils and distant stars, but the history on how they got there really depends on our worldview," Purdom says in the museum's rebuttal. "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"
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Polling from Gallup has shown for the past 30 years that between 40-46% of the survey respondents believe in Creationism, that God created humans and the world in the past 10,000 years.
The most recent poll showed belief in atheistic evolution was on the rise at 16%, nearly double what it had been in previous years. The poll also found 32% of respondents believe in evolution guided by God.
Any time CNN uses "slams", "hits back", etc., you can pretty much presume the piece is BS. Also this article is not about "creationists" hitting back. It is about a single creationist hitting back, and he's one of the nuttier ones.
Purdom's question, "Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all," is a false dilemma, and the answer to that question is "Neither." You don't start a debate with one side's unsupported assertions as a given. To do so begs several questions: First, creationists have not established proof of an "eternal God." Second, creationists have not established that should such a God exist, he/she/it "created it all." Third, creationists have not established that should such a God exist, that their Bible is a "written revelation" of an "eyewitness account." According to WHOM? If creationists want to debate their point of view, fine. But the debate can only begin if they can successfully prove these three assertions. Otherwise, everything is just their opinion against the overwhelming body of empirical evidence. Once again, creationists want to start with a conclusion–not a hypothesis–and work their way backwards.
bill nye is simply trying to sell books, get grants.. etc.. his comments are all about money because 'science' grants are way down- and that affects his pocket. Bill Nye my eye.. forget about it..
he is a man.
Wow! Brilliant post. Hard to top that.
That's what the Koch brothers say about climate scientists. See any parallels?
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Yesterday, I left a comment that ended, "The myths of the past are important to understanding the present,just as the myths of the present are important for predicting the future." After I had left the blog, you enquired, "What myths of the present and how are they important for predicting the future?" I can only scratch the surface by a few of the myths that govern nearly every facet of our lives.
First, we have labeled our species "Ho.mo sapiens" (or more precisely, Ho.mo sapiens sapiens) yet in no area of human endeavor is wisdom in evidence on a continuing basis. The word "hubris" would seem apt somewhere in the description of our species.
I have seen a number of religious tracts from various religious organizations that provide a realistic picture of the deplorable human condition; then, when it comes to suggesting solutions, their only one is the return of Jesus. A future based on such a hope is likely to be disastrous. Others take the contrary view that science and technology will not only save us from extinction but will eventually provide some sort of utopia. This has led us to exhaust our non-renewable resources at an ever-accelerating rate. The result has been accelerated global warming, which we intend to combat by diverting 15-30 percent of our non-renewable energy resources for collecting and sequestration of the greenhouse gases that are causing this phenomenon. The real problem is the profligate waste of our non-renewable resources; global warming is a symptom.
Many of us believe that we live in a democracy, perhaps even in government "of the people, by the people, for the people." But, as an eminent historian put it, such a government does not exist, has never existed, and could never exist, except in the human mind. In the democratic nations, we are governed by elected politicians who operate within a system and ideology controlled by the wealth and power concentrated outside the political system.
We believe that the future will be better than the present; yet, if the history of evolution tells us anything, it is that extinction can come to any species, and it can come in a flash. The more complex a species is, the more fragile it tends to be.
arvo sayz, '..... return of Jesus. A future based on such a hope is likely to be disastrous.....' Ii depends if you still hate Him.....'Zec 13:8 And it shall come to pass, [that] in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off [and] die; but the third shall be left therein.'
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Hello Mohammed or Yakobi (I used to come on CNN C.R). You do realize that, like you have researched (limitistruth....) for several years, others have studied (and have done so for quite a white) evolution. Evolution is just a change in population over time, mostly driven by mutations (in the genetic material of organisms – very common) and furthered by selective reproduction (best traits prosper). Evolution does not imply a sudden change to modern day human.
An example is skin color and vitamin D absorption. Whites rapidly absorb vitamin D in proper sunlight, whereas colored people would have to be in the sunlight a lot longer in order to get the same amount of vitamin D. Another example: colored people are usually more resistant to UV damage to the genetic material due to the pigments in their skin and their ability to tan (generate skin with pigments to not allow UV to pass through). So, in a region with a lot of sunlight, and a very high UV index, having these pigment in your skin would be beneficial. How did different skin colors come about if this was beneficial? Probably emigration, maybe eventually to cold Europe, where the environment and weather are totally different.
Evolution is just a theory, but so is what you are saying.
Why are atheists so hostile towards christians. Do atheists not own guns or kill people? Let's see: Adolf Hitler was an atheist and we all know what he did, also Joseph Stalin just another shining example of how great atheists are. Don't despair though; it is not too late for you.
Adolf Hitler was a christian. Atheists aren't hostile to christians until christians want to change the education system to only teach what they believe.
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Yeah... people don't do things "in the name of Atheism". Just like people don't do things in the name of math or mustaches.
both Hitler and Stalin had mustaches, so obviously mustaches makes people homicidal sociopaths.
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Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic growing up. Once again, Christians spouting their "facts." lol
The answer is simple.
Conservative Christians bully Atheists. Conservative Christians are not content living by their own morals. They want to force others to also. We can only hope that one day conservative Christians will stop persecuting Atheists – just leave them alone. I say "them" because I am not an Atheist, but a moderate Christian who wishes we could take back Christianity from the extremists.
Hitler was anything but an Atheist. He constantly referred to "providence" as the source of his mission. Especially after the failed assassination attempt by Stauffenberg & Co was he convinced that a divine power had protected him. Get your facts straight.
As was stated in an earlier response, Stalin was not driven to kill by atheism. In fact many of the deaths under Stalin were not targeted killings but as a result of failed policies, e.g. 4 million starved to death in Ukraine because of a crop appropriation policy.
We all seem to have opinions and theories, but pretty clearly nobody, not the greatest scientists nor the greatest religionists, know the real truth. None of us were there, or at least can't remember if we were, so we probably don't know. And for the most part it doesn't make a lick of difference to most of us.
I suspect the truth lies somewhere else entirely. I have never been convinced that evolution and intelligent creation are inconsistent with one another. Intelligent creation would simply leverage natural facts and phenomena. So a creation with a purpose is not likely inconsistent with any scientific fact (known fact) or even with some of the don't-really-know theories based on interpolating observations of what is happening now into what may have happened way before any of us existed.
So why be silly and waste time on arguing about things that make no difference? Focus on things that make a difference. Fanatic religionists ("I believe just because my minister/rabbi/imam says so") – get your heads out of your behinds and understand the real meaning of the scriptures (all – the Bible, Quran, others) which point to the importance of loving and caring. Worrying about who will go to hell when they die will never get you there. And fanatic evolutionists/scientists – show a little more respect. I would say the same things should be as important to you about loving and caring. It is a good mental exercise to study nature and outer space, and it even leads to some very important invention and discovery. But until you really actually know (and none of you do yet), keep on studying. But at the same time, get your heads out of the clouds and focus on and understand what is really important. Stop putting down good people who are trying to do good things. You should be doing some of that as well.
Who can say for certain that all the supernovae we can observe that happened thousands or even millions of years ago were not tripped deliberately for an intelligent reason? Creating worlds maybe? Creating a testing ground for their children who would eventually do the same highly intelligent engineering feats? None of you know that, and even the most powerful telescope can't see who or what is causing something to happen when it is many light-years in the distance. We can only see the result. It is fun to theorize about it, and even stretches our intelligence and imagination. But it should not be a point of contention among intelligent beings such as ourselves. We all have far more important things to do, and in this life, not much time to do them. Try not to miss the point of why you are here before it is too late.
Except intelligent creation implies things that are not evident. The human body has many defects that would have been done better if designed – the spine is a weakness for bi-pedal motion, the eye has a huge blind spot, a nerve that goes via the chest cavity for reasons that only evolution explains, etc.
Science explains most of what we so why does there need to be an intelligent creator and who created that?
Luckily scientists don't subscribe to your philosophy or else we wouldn't have antibiotics, the light bulb, the internet and many other wonderful understandings about ourselves and the universe around us.
Science isn't about certainty. That's the realm of religion. Science is about being more right today than we were yesterday. It's following the internal desire we feel to grow, improve and explore the unknown. Be assured, that if the truth "lies somewhere in between" as you say, it will be science that discovers that to be true and not religion.
Wow GodFreeNow, that was actually pretty beautiful...
Sequence my a.ss, the code is more dynamically and actively in control of short term expression than ever imagined. And its is happening 80% external to the genes.
It might ad well be distributed and object oriented. The centralized model is dashed. We are fearfully made was one of their quotes. The researchers are invoking biblical language. It is a Darwinian moment , and swish- you guys are groping at the dust clouds.
How would your creator have been created?
The press releases today refer to twenty some research papers that will turn the field of genetics into a firm foundation for ID. Fossils and primates are passe, esp. since they keep discovering soft tissue in the bones.
Niknak, have you ever made anything more complex than a pbj sammich? I'm skeptical.
Genetics reaffirms and specifies the facts concerning evolution. ID isn't a science with any testable hypotheses; ID is a philosophical conclusion; thus, it's not in a scientific position, period.
Why can't you give us the links to the papers you say confirm your ID?
You just keep posting the same drivel with nothing to back it up.
But what would I expect, you have nothing to back up your god myth.
Did you get a chance to answer the question I posed to you further down the thread?
link to the articles please.
The nearest solid object is my weapon of choice.
Codes do not write themselves. Idiot.
Where are these press releases, 23whatever? Why can't you provide a link and stop stalling?
"Codes do not write themselves. Idiot."
You are obviously not familiar with concept and use of self replicating code.
Dude, you keep writing stuff that makes no sense.
Are you trying to say that DNA sequences actually support your ID hypothesis?
Maybe 2 plus 2 equalling 4 supports your godmyth too.
Have you thought to include that in your ramblings?
I don't know why I read this article. Every time I read something like this it always sounds like a schizophrenic delusion. "I'm going to deny science that gave me the ability to write this article on a computer because I believe a magic space creature created everything in a few days and all humans poofed on the Earth instantaneously because a book with no evidence said so."
I'm on a phone at work. Look it up. Junk dna, Sanger uk , fearfully complex. Stop politicking and keep up. Bunch of school teaching braindromats.
If you're referring to the DNA research published today – it does nothing to bolster the ID position. It is science after all.
Good thing someone here has perused all 30 papers...idiot
Are you saying someone who reads the subject matter is an idiot? Presumably that would include you as you started the thread.
To the religious faction: please read the Bible. If read properly and with an open mind, it is the best argument for being an atheist, or at least, an agnostic.
I will posit this: God used His infinite ability of His creativity to make so MANY creatures so alike as a trap for the nasties. '1Cr 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.'
Do you think yourself to be 'wise' to believe that...?
'1Cr 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.'
You actually believe that god created all of this evidence for evolution in some effort to trick man into not believing in him? And he will then punish people, with eternal torture, for falling for his trick?
'Isa 24:17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, [are] upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth.'
Bible quotes mean less than a sparrow fart in a wind storm to those who do not believe.
Amen and Amen, MUD ! Preach it, brother (or sister??) !!
"Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away". Matt. 24:35
Just standard Christian thought:'Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:'.....You have no excuse for jumping to the wrong conclusion.
and yet you do draw the wrong conclusion
Universe is 13.5 billion years old, CNN. Earth is 4.5.
Obviously they are not paying attention.
A more accurate age of the Earth would be approximately 5.3B years old. I laughed when I read that. Obvious biased author is obvious.
Gotta love the Creationist museum. They have a diarama of a caveman riding a dinosaur and call it "history". These people are so out of touch with reality.
I want to go to on of those just to see their viewpoint. Of course I dont agree w/ any of it. Anyone else ever been to a creationist museum? If so, what was it like? what were their exhibits like?
'Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.'.....I don't see any inter-specie evolving there. In fact if you play around with a sheep it's called bestiality.
You and your ilk don't see anything.
Your minds were closed a long time ago by the backward homes you grew up in.
But keep sheeping yourself out and believing in your godmyth hypothesis while using the very science you hate to make your life better and easier.
ILK??? Are you implying you have some knowledge of right and wrong and have the capacity to judge?
Guess what? That's the same "God" that *said*:
- bats are birds
- hares chew their cud
- leprosy is cured by spraying & smearing dove's blood
- a woman's marital fidelity is proven if her thigh doesn't rot after drinking some magic water
- snow and hail are kept in 'storehouses' in the sky
Religious beliefs (Ignorance) are unacceptable and dangerous in this day and age. Silence them, take away their guns, and then, just for the irony, force them to denounce their faith or face a firing squad :)
I'm religious and I believe in the big bang and evolution. I'm not ignorant.
since when do firearms have anything to do with religion?
Of course they have everything to do with religion.
You can't kill enough of the people who don't follow your god without them.
niknak: such a strong & irrational emotional response to firearms.
Guns emitt no emotion in me, other then I find people who feel they need a gun to protect themselves to be cowards.
I have no issue with hunting, or hunters and outdoor peeps.
Those types of guns are useful tools.
But I have an issue with the gun nuts who crave bigger and more powerful military grade weapons to "protect" them.
And most of the time, their guns go hand in hand with their bibles.
Bill Nye good! Creationists, not bad, but woefully ignorant and recalcitrant!
"Do we start with man's ideas, who wasn't here during man's supposed billions of years of earth history or do we start with the Bible, the written revelation of the eyewitness account of the eternal God who created it all?"
Is it just me or does that defy all common sense? Eyewitness account?!? What?
I thought the exact same thing! Her statement defies logic!
Were you here when the Bible was written? Did you see God telling these men what to write? Were you here for the Council of Lycia, where men decided which gospels to include, and voted on whether Jesus should be the son of God or just a prophet?
God is one of man's ideas. It explains things that can't otherwise be explained. So to say that man's ideas are wrong, and God's word is absolute is quite humorous. Man's ideas are based on science. God's existence is based on unfounded faith.
The Bible is a nice collection of stories designed to inspire and instill morality. Nothing more.
ken in md, so you are trying to say the Bible was intelligently designed by men? WHAT'S with you usurpers.
Ha Ha Ha, you stupid backward fundies. Your magic man does not exist, and you can't do anything about it.
Does not matter how much you believe, it does not make it true.
Every year science keeps pushing you further and further into a corner. Your ID was totally discredited, although I am sure you are busy comming up with yet another junk science hypothesis to try to get your god coefficient somehow into the equation.
There is no god coefficient. Never was, never will be.
I guess you can take comfort in your magic book of spells and your guns.
Suck on them both.
All evidence thus far points to a Master Coder with supernatural intelligence. Read the press releases and leave the 19th century textbooks in dust bins.
Give us any proof of your claim of a master coder with supernatural intelligence.
You have nothing except your magic book, which is not even original as most of it was ripped off from other religions.
What press releases are you refering to?
The ones that totally smash your ID argument, like this one that made your "scientists" look like fools?
Be honest, do you own a gun?
I bet you do.
And more then one too. Probably more guns that were designed to kill another human being then for hunting.
Then answer me this; If you jesus came back today, would he own a gun?
Yeah, what I thought I would get from you 2357, crickets.........
I don't own a gun. I've always hated them.
Since when have firearms had anything to do with religion?
You stick to press releases and I'll stick with scientific journals. We'll see who understands science better at the end of the day.
They shouldn't, as fundies say how they follow jesus and his teachings, which they claim is unconditional love and all that.
In fact, they wear that WWJD pin to prove it.
Yet, it is my experience with fundies that all of them have guns, and many and all kind of guns. Most designed specifically to kill another human being, and in some cases, many human beings in a short period of time.
THAT is why I ask about the guns. Fundies claim they follow the WWJD, but I think it means to them NOT what would jesus do, but WHO would jesus do.
Are you a fundie, and do you own guns?
Sorry just me too, that was for Spencer.
niknak: "Are you a fundie, and do you own guns?" No and Yes. Firearms ownership does not denote religious beliefs nor political alignments.
Then you are not a hypocrite like the fundies I work with.
When you preach unconditional love, yet go to church packing, you are a hypocrite.
I have a humorously ironic image of you staring down the barrel of a criminal's gun and suddenly believing in God.
Rhubarb – that's the fundies fall back position – you'll believe when you're frightened enough. If it's true – provide some evidence.
Rhubarb: "I have a humorously ironic image of you staring down the barrel of a criminal's gun and suddenly believing in God."
Been there, done that. No God, Gods, or any other deities manifested them selves in to my thoughts or beliefs.
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