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My Take: Moon’s death marks end of an era
More than 1,000 couples participate in a Unification Church mass wedding in the Philippines in 1996.
September 3rd, 2012
11:10 AM ET

My Take: Moon’s death marks end of an era

Editor’s note: Eileen Barker is professor emeritus of sociology of religion at the London School of Economics.

By Eileen Barker, Special to CNN

With the death of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon at 92, we see the end of an era.

Moon was the last surviving charismatic leader of the wave of movements that spread throughout California and the rest of the West in the 1970s and ’80s - other examples included L. Ron Hubbard’s Scientology, David Berg’s Children of God and Prabhupada’s Hare Krishna movement.

In the case of Moon’s Unification Church, hordes of young, well-educated hippies left college and their comfortable middle-class homes to work up to 18 hours a day on the streets, selling flowers or candy and urging others to follow a Korean who declared that he was the messiah.

After they had spent perhaps years in mobile fund-raising teams and had drawn a sufficient number of “spiritual children” into the fold, these young converts would be "matched" with a partner whom they were unlikely to know (and who might not even speak their language) and then blessed in a mass wedding ceremony with thousands of other couples.

Perhaps it was not surprising that many of their parents, who had other plans for their (adult) children’s futures, objected strongly when their sons or daughters started referring to Moon and his wife, Hak Ja Han, as their “True Parents,” in some cases cutting themselves off from their families.

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A number of so-called “anti-cult movements” sprang up throughout the United States with the aim of exposing and combating the perceived evils of such “cults.” Large sections of the media joined in the fight, agreeing with the anti-cultists that the only possible explanation for the young people’s behavior was that they had been brainwashed.

This theory led to the arrival of “deprogrammers,” who would kidnap converts, holding them against their will until they either renounced their faith or managed to escape back to their movement.

In the meantime, Moon’s notoriety in North America was spreading far beyond the concerns of individual families.

He and his church were investigated for connections with the South Korean CIA by the U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee on International Organizations. At the time of the Watergate affair, Moon came out strongly in support of President Richard Nixon. And in 1984 he was sentenced to prison for tax fraud.

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Moon also accumulated impressive wealth through his teams of volunteer members and through a number of businesses in both America and elsewhere, particularly in Japan and South Korea. His businesses included armament factories, boat building and fishing, ginseng products and a number of media outlets, including The Washington Times.

Although Moon is likely to be remembered for all these things - mass weddings, accusations of brainwashing, political intrigue and enormous wealth - he should also be remembered as creating what was arguably one of the most comprehensive and innovative theologies embraced by a new religion of the period.

The basic beliefs are to be found in the “Divine Principle,” which describes how the Fall took place when, in the Garden of Eden, the Archangel Lucifer - who had been asked to look after Adam and Eve until they were mature enough to marry - had seduced Eve into a spiritual, sexual relationship.

According to Moon, Eve later had a sexual relationship with Adam. As a result of this Lucifer-centered (rather than God-centered) union, their children were tainted with “Fallen Nature,” the Unification equivalent of original sin.

According to the “Divine Principle,” the whole of history is interpreted as God’s attempt to restore the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Jesus was meant to get married but was killed before that was possible. Moon, with his marriage to his second (or third) wife in 1960, is said to have laid the necessary foundation for restoring the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, with the mass blessings playing a role in purifying the blood lineage of the participants.

Moon’s movement has undergone considerable changes since its founding in 1954.

Most members no longer live in communities but live and work independently, possibly tithing 10% of their income to the movement. There is now a burgeoning second generation which, to a large extent, is involved in running the movement.

Moon’s children have taken up leadership positions, with the youngest son, Hyung Jin Nim, being the heir apparent. But a split has emerged within the “True Family,” with siblings fighting among themselves for the assets and control of the movement.

It is unlikely that Unificationism will continue as a single entity. But also unlikely that Moon’s legacy will fade away within the foreseeable future.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Eileen Barker.

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Filed under: Leaders • Opinion • Unification Church

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  1. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    I enjoyed the photo. Imagine them swarming and herding themselves off a cliff like black and white lemmings.

    September 3, 2012 at 7:47 pm |
    • Can being alive kill you?

      Tom tom, exactly LOL.

      CS

      September 3, 2012 at 7:58 pm |
  2. Woody

    "Moon also accu-mulated impressive wealth through his teams of volunteer members and through a number of businesses in both America and elsewhere........."
    I guess that pretty much tells the story. He reeled in the "hordes of young, well-educated hippies" like the fish that they were. The best universities in the world can teach a person everything but common sense. As L. Ron Hubbard once said, "If you want to get rich, you start a religion". Another dead "Messiah". Good riddance!

    September 3, 2012 at 7:03 pm |
  3. Topher

    Here's just a few in a tidy little chart ...

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/pdf/am/v6/n2/fulfilled-messianic-prophecies.pdf

    September 3, 2012 at 6:19 pm |
    • Can being alive kill you?

      Topher you are either A) a troll, B) uneducated or C) dumb as a lump of coal

      Here you go:

      Comparative Mythology 101

      Horus: Egyptian, 6000 BC
      Dionysus: Greek, 1500 BC
      Attis: Greek, 1200 BC
      Mithra: Zoroastrian, 600 BC
      Krishna: Hindu, 400 BC
      Jesus: Christian, 30 AD
      A) Born on Dec. 25 – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus (by way of plagiarizing a Pagan holiday)
      B) Virgin Birth – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      C) Sign of Star in the East – Horus, Krishna, Jesus
      D) Adorned by 3 Kings – Horus, Jesus
      E) Teacher at age 12 – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      F) Ministry started at 30 – Horus, Jesus
      G) 12 Disciples – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      H) Traveled with Disciples Performing Miracles – Horus, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      I) AKA The Truth, the Light, God’s Shepherd – Horus, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus
      J) Betrayed – Horus, Mithra, Jesus
      K) Crucified – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
      L) Buried 3 days – Horus, Attis, Mithra, Jesus
      M) Resurrected – Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus, Mithra, Jesus

      This isn't even the complete list. Other bloggers smarter than me have pointed out even more obvious similarities.

      September 3, 2012 at 6:57 pm |
    • Chad

      @Can being alive kill you?

      hate to embarras s you..(not really, since the people that post stuff without checking its veracity deserve it.. 🙂 )

      The Horus "similarities with Jesus" are utterly made up:


      putting to death the nonsense comparison of Horus and Jesus

      Claim #1-Horus and Jesus are born from a virgin.

      Horus’s mother is Isis. Isis was married to Osiris. We do not know for what length of time, but presumably the marriage was consummated. Whether it was or wasn’t doesn’t matter though. After Osiris is killed, Isis puts him back together again (he was hacked into 14 pieces) except for his penis which was tossed in a river or a lake. Iris fashions a subst itute penis for him, humps him and here comes Horus. There is nothing virginal about that.

      Claim #2-Both Horus and Jesus were born to a Mary and Joseph. (Seb)

      As noted Isis is Horus’s mother’s name not Mary. In addition, Seb is not Horus’s father, Osiris is. Seb is Osiris’s father. Further, Seb is a distinct name from Joseph. Putting them side by side does not make them synonyms, and that appears to be what was done here.

      Claim #3-Both were born of royal descent.

      This is accurate.

      Claim #4-Both births were announced by angels and witnessed by shepherds.

      I can find nothing that mentions that the birth of Horus was announced by an angel or witnessed by shepherds. I have found that Horus was born in a swamp, which is a pretty unlikely place for shepherds. In addition Acharya mentions that Horus was born in a cave. Mas sey makes no mention of this, although he does represent that Mithra was born in a cave.

      Claim #5-Both were heralded by stars and angels.

      There is no star that heralded Horus’s birth nor is there any angel announcing it. Archarya in a footnote in The Origins of Christianity indicates that that there are three stars named the three kings in Orion and then relates this to the birth of Jesus. When we look to the stories regarding Horus, we find no star or angel announcing his birth. To the extent that Acharya S relies upon Ma ssey and Ma ssey relies upon what is depicted in the panels at Luxor see (from an atheist) further regarding virgin birth and pronouncement by angels http ://w ww.frontlin e-apologetics.com/carrier_luxor _inscription.htm

      Claim #6-Both had later visitors (Horus-3 deities and Jesus-3 wisemen.)

      There is no indication that there ever were 3 wisemen. The bible never mentions the number of wisemen, nor is there any docu ment that reflects 3 deities at the birth of Horus. See the website referenced in Claim #5.

      Claim #7-Both had murder plots against them.

      There is mention that Seth did want to kill Horus, and Herod wanted to kill Jesus. so this is accurate.

      Claim#8-Both came of age at 12, were baptized and their baptizers were executed.

      There is no indication that Horus was preaching in a temple when he was 12. In fact, Ma ssey indicates that Hours the child was depicted as a “weakling.” That doesn’t jive with story of Jesus preaching in the temple. Again this appears to have been a confabulation from Acharya and repeated by others.

      Horus was never baptized in any of the Horus stories. In addition, Acharya mentions that John the Baptist is actually Anup the Baptizer. This individual is never mentioned anywhere in any Horus account. There is not even a footnote in Archaya’s on-line work The Origins of Christianity to support this. There is nothing.

      Claim #9-Both had 12 disciples.

      According to the Horus accounts, Horus had four semi-gods that were followers. There is some indication of 16 human followers and an unknown number of blacksmiths that went into battle with him. Horus did not have 12 disciples. Jesus reportedly did. Acharya failed to give a footnote to support this.

      Ma ssey points to a mural in the Book of Hades in which there are twelve reapers. Horus is not present in this scene. For Ma ssey to make this connection he goes to a different scene within the same mural. In this scene there is a picture of a god whose name is the Master of Joy. Horus is never depicted although in other murals the artists do depict Horus. Had the artists ascribed 12 reapers in any relation to Horus all they had to do was put Horus at the scene. They did not.

      Claim #10-Both walked on water.

      Horus didn’t, or at least there is no record that I can find that he did. Ma ssey does not maintain that Hours did. Ma ssey uses wild conjecture to connect the story of fish man, Oannes, not Horus, to Jesus. Oannes came out of the sea during the day, and went back into the sea at ni ght. Ma ssey makes the two analogous because by his calculations, Jesus walked on water during the day.

      As to Acharya, she as usual provides nothing to substantiate this.

      Claim #11-Both performed miracles.

      This is true although the miracles were different in scope and nature.

      Claim #12 Both exorcised demons and raised Lazarus.

      The actual claim is that Horus raised Osiris from the dead and that the name Osiris morphed to Lazarus. It doesn’t matter because Horus did not bring Osiris back to life. There is no mention of this in any docu ment regarding the story. Horus did avenge Osiris’s death, but that did not raise Osiris from the dead.

      Claim #13-Both held a Sermon on the Mount; both were transfigured on a mountain, died by crucifixion along with two thieves and were buried in tombs where they paid a quick visit to Hell and then rose from the dead after 3 days time, both resurrections were witness by women, and both will supposedly reign for 1,000 years in the Millennium.

      These are the most damning claims if they were proven true in my opinion. Yet, I can locate none of this. No sermon, no transfiguration, certainly no crucifixion w/ two thieves, no trip to hell and no resurrection. There was an incident in which Horus was torn to pieces and Iris requested the crocodile god to fish him out of the water he was tossed into, which was done, but that’s it. I am at a loss to refute this because I can not find anything to support it.

      Ma ssey does compares a story about the Autumn Equinox related to Osiris, not Horus, as the symbolic crucifixion. There is no indication that Horus is involved in any way. There is no mention by Ma ssey of any Sermon on the Mount. No mention or any actual crucifixion, no two thieves, no burial in a tomb. Mas sey does not maintain that anything of the sort occurred with Horus.

      In short, of the claims outlined in this entry, I find the comparison between Horus and Jesus to consist of the following: they were of royal descent, they allegedly worked miracles and there were murder plots against them.

      September 3, 2012 at 7:21 pm |
    • Chad

      Just spot checking some of your other nonsense

      DO NO ATHEIST ACTUALLY EVER LOOK ANYTHING UP???

      Traditionally, the Indian god Krishna is said to have been born during the summer months, usually in June, July, August or September. There is no agreement even as to the epoch in which Krishna was "born." Nor is there concurrence as to the particular month of his birth. Even in modern times there is no consensus, except that he was born on the eighth day of a dark fortnight. Indeed, "in Krishnaism itself there are different dates for the Birthday Festival, the Varaha Purana entirely departing from the accepted view." Robertson states that the "Krishna Birth-Festival"...is equivalent to July 24th. Another writer gives Krishna's exact birthdate as July 20, 3228 BCE. Yet another source says that it happened in "the dark half of Bhadrapada," a month beginning on August 23rd and ending on September 22nd, according to the Indian civil calendar, and occurring from August 16th to September 15th, according to the religious calendar. The [birthday of Krishna] has also been placed on the 8th of the month Sravana, which in the civil calendar runs from July 23rd to August 22nd, making it equivalent to the zodiac sign of Leo, while in the religious calendar, it is July 16th to the 15th of August. That these dates are not "historical" but manipulated is revealed in the fact that, "while the Birth Festival falls in July, the date of the birth in later texts appears to be August."...

      September 3, 2012 at 7:25 pm |
    • Chad

      the bad news continues...

      Putting to death the comparisons between Jesus and Mithra

      Claim 1: Like Jesus, Mithras was born of a virgin on December 25th in a cave. His birth was also attended by shepherds.
      Many Christians are well aware that there is no Biblical basis for setting the date of the birth of Jesus on December 25th. History shows that this date was introduced as significant to Christ later by the post-apostolic church, no doubt influenced by the multiplicity of sacred festivals occurring at this time. According to Mithraic tradition, Mithras was not born of a virgin in a cave. In fact, Mithras was said to have been born, fully grown, from solid rock; the event leaving a cavity behind. There was no mention of a virgin. Interestingly, the story continues to describe Mithras being helped out of the rock by shepherds, who offer him a pick from their flock. Yet according to Mithraic tradition, Mithras was created prior to the creation of mankind. Consequently, the Mithraic “shepherds” cannot be legitimately compared to those of the Christian tradition. Lastly, the earliest existing record of this narrative is from around 100 years after the manuscripts of the New Testament, leaving no room for claims that the Christian tradition copied the story and attributed it to Jesus. (Note also that the later Persian Mithraic traditions recount his conception through the incestual copulation of the god Ahura-Mazda and his mother. The Christian virgin birth story is principally concerned with the humanity of Mary and God’s role in the creation of Jesus through her. There is no parallel between this and the Mithraic story.)

      Claim 2 Mithras was also considered a great traveling teacher and master.
      This particular attribute is probably one of the most common identifiers of just about every spiritual leader in history. However, there is no mention in Mithraic tradition of Mithras being an itinerant teacher like Jesus. If this claim is to be taken seriously as evidence that Christian tradition appropriated from Mithraic tradition, one must also take into account the travels and teachings of other spiritual figures like Buddha, Krishna, Muhammed, etc.

      Claim 3 Mithras had 12 disciples.
      The Persian Mithra was often as sociated with the god Varuna, such that one might infer that they were considered a pair. However, in this tradition Mithra is short 10 companions. In the Roman tradition, Mithras was accompanied by two ent ities, created after his own image, named Cautes and Catopatres. They have been said to represent day and ni ght or spring and fall or life and death. Mithras was also a ssociated with the snake, the dog, the lion, and the scorpion, likely due to the astrological origin of the Roman tradition. Still, Mithras’ companions only add up to 6 at most, taking all into account. Some claim that a Mithraic stone carving, which depicts the famous bull scene with one vertical row of six images on each side, proves the “12 disciples” connection. However, most current Mithraic scholarship attributes these to zodiac representations. In addition to acknowledging that since the carving itself dates to well after the time of Jesus, any connections to the Christian tradition of 12 disciples would have to implicate Mithraism as the copycat, not Christianity. In the other direction, one would have to claim that Christianity stole the number twelve from astrology- likely a much more difficult case to make.

      Claim 4 Mithras offered eternal life to his followers.
      Like the “traveling teacher” connection, this claim no more implicates Christianity as it does just about every religious tradition that posits life after death. Incidentally, the only specific mention of a Mithraic offer of eternal life to his followers exists in a piece of writing dated to 200 A.D., which has been translated, “and us, too, you saved by spilling the eternal blood.” In Mithraic tradition, the blood is not the blood of Mithras, but that of the bull he slaughtered, and “saved” referred to being approved to ascend through other levels toward immortality. It was clearly not the same type of salvation that is taught in Christian theology.

      Claim 5: Mithras performed miracles.
      While both the Iranian Mithra and the Roman Mithras traditions recount acts of great power done by Mithra(s), this is hardly an incriminating fact. Like the teaching and offering of immortality, this is another common attribute of any religious figure. To make this claim worthwhile, one would have to show similarities in type of miracle (i.e. Mithras walked on water, healed the blind, or raised the dead).

      Claim 6 Mithras sacrificed himself for mankind.
      Some Mithraic scholars have tried to depict Mithras and the bull he had slain as one and the same, construing the story to represent that Mithras gave his own life. However, the narrative in no way suggests this. At best, Mithras could be considered heroic for his victory over the bull, though more likely is the modern interpretation that the bull slaying story corresponded to astrological themes. However, this has no comparison to the Christian claim that Jesus died as atonement for the sins of mankind.

      Claim 7 Mithras was buried in a tomb, and after three days, He rose again.
      In Prescription Against Heretics, Tertullian writes, “if my memory still serves me, Mithra there, (in the kingdom of Satan), sets his marks on the foreheads of his soldiers; celebrates also the oblation of bread, and introduces an image of a resurrection, and before a sword wreathes a crow.” This is the only reference from which some Mithraic scholars claim a correlation between Mithraic and Christian traditions. Unfortunately, having been written after the New Testament, there is no evidence that what it describes predates Christianity. Nor is there really any compelling aspect to Tertullian’s description that would indicate that these practices were authentic to Mithraism or even appropriately compared to Christian tradition.

      Claim 8 Mithras said, “He who shall not eat of my body nor drink of my blood so that he may be one with me and I with him, shall not be saved.”
      There is no evidence for this saying being attributed to Mithras. Scholars have, however, found this saying attributed to Zarathustra, though in a medieval docu ment (remember that Zarathustra, the founding prophet of Zoroastrianism, is thought to have lived some time around 2000 B.C.). Though followers of Mithras were known to have fellowship meals, at which was eaten bread, water, wine and meat, such circ umstances were common to meals shared by many people in many different contexts.

      Conclusions
      It should be emphasized that none of the alleged similarities between Mithras and Jesus can be shown to apply to the Persian Mithra, but only to the Roman Mithraic tradition, which did not really flourish until after the time of the New Testament. That said, the alleged connections are quite dubious, as I explained above. In fact, no archeological evidence for this tradition can be argued to exist from any earlier than A.D. 90. This seems to suggest that the re-emergence of Mithras in the Roman context preserved the name of the Persian deity, yet adopted a new set of traditions more closely linked to the many mystery religions of the time. In any case, the overall Mithraic tradition should actually be thought of as two distinct movements, having little to do with one another beyond having a god of the same name.

      September 3, 2012 at 7:44 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      Chard, why is it you focus on the minute details and not the larger themes? Would it be because the similarities in those larger themes would render your arguments moot?

      September 3, 2012 at 7:46 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      At least Chad is off cosmology and abiogenesis for now. Theology and Bible history are his comfort zones.

      September 3, 2012 at 7:50 pm |
    • I'm not a GOPer, nor do I play one on TV

      @Chad,

      the details of the Mithras cult are irrelevant, other than at some point Latin Christianity co-opted the pagan festivals of Saturnalia and Mithras worship by designating December 25 as the day of the liturgical calendar when the birth of Christ would be celebrated.

      September 3, 2012 at 7:53 pm |
    • thecollegeadmissionsguru

      I just LOVE it when the Christians get their panties in a wad and do the whole mind blow up thing. It's fun to watch.

      September 3, 2012 at 8:47 pm |
  4. Colin

    Another leader will come along to take the minds and money of the super-stupid. You just can't protect believers from their own stupidity. I just wish we could stop them from breeding.

    September 3, 2012 at 6:07 pm |
  5. Rachel

    History often has parallels. No one knew Jesus was the messiah when he was here 2,000 years ago. So many people can't see that Rev. Moon is the Messiah. They get caught up on the fact that he is Korean or that he want to jail or many other things. But nor you or myself chooses who the Messiah is. Jesus lived his life and went through the crucifixion, he wasn't supposed to. If I was alive in Jesus' time I would have never have let them kill him. He was not supposed to die but had no choice. He is korean. so what? Don't you believe in all races as being equal? Many people never got to see the beauty behind the Unification Church. It is about unity among religions. God isn't just a Muslim God, Christian God, Black God, Asian God, He is a God of all people, races, and religions. If you want the truth, read the Divine Principle. I love you God, Jesus, and True Parents. I am so sorry you had to go through the same suffering as Jesus. I am eternally grateful to be alive at this time in history and to have experienced the True Parents while on earth.

    September 3, 2012 at 4:07 pm |
    • Can being alive kill you?

      Rachel,

      [History often has parallels. No one knew Jesus was the messiah when he was here 2,000 years ago.]

      Nor do they know he is the messiah today. Interesting parallel. Good point.

      [So many people can't see that Rev. Moon is the Messiah. They get caught up on the fact that he is Korean or that he want to jail or many other things. But nor you or myself chooses who the Messiah is.]

      Again, you are correct. They only person who can choose who the Messiah is, is the person pretending to be the Messiah.

      [Jesus lived his life and went through the crucifixion, he wasn't supposed to. If I was alive in Jesus' time I would have never have let them kill him. He was not supposed to die but had no choice.]

      Wait, what? You would have…huh?

      [He is korean. so what? Don't you believe in all races as being equal? Many people never got to see the beauty behind the Unification Church. It is about unity among religions.]

      Korean’s are clearly better than non-Koreans. Tofu soup, Korean BBQ and K-Pop. No contest.

      [God isn't just a Muslim God, Christian God, Black God, Asian God, He is a God of all people, races, and religions. If you want the truth, read the Divine Principle.]

      You are correct. God is not a human. And also it doesn’t exist.

      [I love you God, Jesus, and True Parents. I am so sorry you had to go through the same suffering as Jesus. I am eternally grateful to be alive at this time in history and to have experienced the True Parents while on earth]

      Wait, what? He went through…huh?

      September 3, 2012 at 4:17 pm |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry, Rachel, but your assertions are without foundation.

      I suggest that you watch the movie "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life".

      I am confident that this movie will help you discover falsehoods and misunderstanding about human life that has led you to make these unfounded assertions.

      September 3, 2012 at 5:33 pm |
    • Topher

      "Jesus lived his life and went through the crucifixion, he wasn't supposed to."

      Are you being serious? Because being crucified was EXACTLY what Jesus was supposed to do. He came to die for our sins. "For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many."

      September 3, 2012 at 5:51 pm |
  6. ReligiousPoopShoot.com

    Any religion based on is Sun Myung Moon is gonna lick balls, because Sun Myung Moon did in fact lick balls.

    EvolvedDNA

    September 3, 2012 at 3:59 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      Fuk Sun Myung Moon. Fuk him up his stupid as.s.

      erikc

      September 3, 2012 at 4:00 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      Sun Myung Moon is a one-note joke that only retards follow. He's fuking clown shoes. If he were alive I’d beat the sh.it out of him for being so stupid.

      Bootyfunk

      September 3, 2012 at 4:02 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      Sun Myung Moon was the worst prophet I have ever heard of. He was a stupid d.ildo. A loser with dumb-a.s.s parables like a third rate Moses or Bill and Ted.

      tony joseph

      September 3, 2012 at 4:04 pm |
    • ReligiousPoopShoot.com

      All you motherfukers are gonna pay! You are the ones who are the ball-lickers! I'm gonna fuk your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiney bi.tches. I'm gonna make you eat my sh.it, then sh.it out my sh.it and then eat your sh.it that’s made up of my sh.it that I made you eat!

      Hyung Jin Nim

      September 3, 2012 at 4:06 pm |
  7. Such A Shame The Human Race Cannnot Get Beyond Cults

    Is it really any dumber to follow Moon's religion or Hare Krishna than it is to follow a major religion? The only difference is that the major religions got lucky and went big time. All religions have had tehir problems with greed and corruption. None can show the slightest credible evidence to support any of their claims.

    September 3, 2012 at 3:34 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @Such A Shame The Human Race Cannnot Get Beyond Cults

      Atheists lie when they talk about freedom of speech. I let my twelve year old daughter smoke at the supper table in front of her kids. Pay no attention to the small minded fools that got their brain fried.

      Amen.

      September 3, 2012 at 3:56 pm |
    • Topher

      Lame and old.

      September 3, 2012 at 5:52 pm |
    • Fake HeavenSent

      Topher, how in the heck did you know I was in a wheelchair and pushing 80 years old?

      September 3, 2012 at 6:27 pm |
  8. erikc

    Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices. He was not the only one, but he was one of the most visible. People like this should not be tolerated, they should be ridiculed.
    Good riddance.

    September 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    September 3, 2012 at 2:22 pm |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 3, 2012 at 2:31 pm |
    • HeavenSense

      Hi prayerbot.

      September 3, 2012 at 2:38 pm |
  10. Answer

    Fade away you religious freaks.. fade away into oblivion. Good riddance.

    September 3, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  11. Oskar

    The moon has gone to hell. Now he knows what means to blasphemy the true Messiah Jesus Christ.
    That Moron wanted only to make money, and he devised a story that stupid people bought it and paid for it.
    Now, his children have laid claim to the money, and the problem is just starting.That crook, took for a ride the whole world, and millions believed his lies and blasphemy. Unless they repent, they will finish next to him, in the same part of hell. Jesus spoke more about hell than any other subject while on earth, and unless the person repents and calls the true Messiah to take his sins away on the cross, he will be condemned to the same place. Do it today my friend. Just call him and ask him to show you who he is. You will be surprised when he lets you see him. For he is real and alive and holds the key of life and death. Go ahead and try it. Call him.

    September 3, 2012 at 1:20 pm |
    • Can being alive kill you?

      @Oskar

      I am saddened by all those who cling to religion and continue to endorse it as reality and insist that it somehow should govern morality and law-making. One can lay out all the evidence and build (and have built) an airtight case against every single religion on Earth past and present, but still believers will not budge from their point of view, even when presented with the lies and contradictions in the very scriptures they base their beliefs on.

      Understand, I am not talking about a belief in God. I do understand that. I am talking about religion. Every one of which has been empirically proven false but yet clings like moss to ancient rocks.

      I believe the single most important factor in this inability to see through the foolishness of religion is fear. Children’s stories of heaven and hell. The initial indoctrination for many, simply cannot be undone.

      Secondly, there is a feeling of community that comes with any “club” Naturally this is not relegated to religion so it does not qualify as an excuse.

      Lastly some minds are unable to think creatively enough to imagine the more plausible alternatives. What are those alternatives? Well we have to turn to science, but also we have to accept what we don’t know and keep looking. And in truth, we don’t really know anything about how the universe came to be, what came before and where it is going. If there are multiple universes and time lines through which we move, these would be marvelous discoveries. There is a wonderful article in Scientific American this month regarding a new spin on the Quantum theory. That being the quantum universe could have foamlike fluctuations that rule spacetime, not unlike the 0’s and 1’s that are the foundation of computing and storing information.

      If we wish to believe in the supernatural, we have to make things up. Hence religion. It doesn’t mean there is no god, or gods, or aliens, but it does mean that we don’t have the answers and most likely never will.

      Now we arrive back at fear. What will happen to me when I die? For me, I look forward to an eternity of nothing. Others fear this prospect and prefer to believe in fairies and fantasies and are not even ashamed that their mental description of an after life is akin to that of a 5-year-old’s picture book.

      I believe the Universe and the “everything” are FAR more bizarre than we could ever imagine with the faculties we have thus far obtained via evolution on this planet. And I wonder how many millions of civilizations across the vastness of space and time have pondered likewise.

      Finally, the entire planet is affected by the irrational belief systems of the various mainstream religions. It affects the global economy, it affects world peace, it affects our secular life style in the United States. These ancient belief systems are based on superst.ition and mythology. One would think humans would have moved forward by now but instead we as a species behave in the same self-destructive manner now as we did thousands of years ago with more at stake then at any other time in history.

      September 3, 2012 at 1:28 pm |
    • KDK

      Can being alive kill you? – I think you just articulated the argument for those in teh "believers" catagory. "There is a wonderful article in Scientific American this month regarding a new spin on the Quantum theory." For those who put their trust soley in science, there is no finality, no definative answer. There are theories, summations and conclusions that constantly change and modify or completely disprove the ones before them. But for believers, whether rational or not, this is the way it happened, or this is what will happen, and it will not change.

      September 4, 2012 at 4:35 pm |
  12. DJDK

    He was a false prophet. He will now see who the true Messiah is. Tragic that so many were deceived by this man. Praying that the truth will come out.

    September 3, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Can being alive kill you?

      Wait, what?

      September 3, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
  13. tony joseph

    The whole world is crying for Rev. Moon. His teachings are true!!!!

    September 3, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • HeavenSent

      @tony joseph

      Only the teachings of God's son, Jesus Christ are true. God shared His truth with us in His letter to us, the Holy Bible. My breath smells like sick and garlic. Keep believing in the lies of the talmud and find yourself burning in satan's fires.

      Amen.

      September 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  14. Can being alive kill you?

    Will this cult survive Moon's own passing? His son Preston (Hyun Jin) Moon is expected to take over the movement but he is unlikely to have his father's charisma and is less likely to spend as much money as Moon does on elaborate conferences, coronations and ceremonies whose purpose was to attest to his own greatness. I am betting he will take the money and run!

    September 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • nitl

      I totally agree and I am glad there are still people out there who know relgion is just bad and evil

      September 3, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
  15. AvdBerg

    The Rev. Moon’s faith did not stand in the ways and teachings of the true and living God but rather an image of a false god and a false Christ (Matthew 24:24; 2 Cor. 11:13-15).

    For a better understanding of the spirit the Unification Church served (Luke 9:55), we invite you to read the article ‘Can Christianity or Any Other Religion Save You?’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 3, 2012 at 1:01 pm |
    • tony joseph

      one day you will cry!!! the Messiah Rev. Moon will remain in everybody's heart!!!His teachings are true!!!

      September 3, 2012 at 1:06 pm |
  16. Can being alive kill you?

    One down, 6 billion to go.

    September 3, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  17. Bootyfunk

    shows yet again that being religious means turning off your brain.

    September 3, 2012 at 12:45 pm |
    • tony joseph

      Please try to follow his teachings!!!

      September 3, 2012 at 1:07 pm |
  18. howart Dao

    It is great to know that REv Muun has a normal family just like us 😉 :
    But a split has emerged within the “True Family,” with siblings fighting among themselves for the assets and control of the movement.

    September 3, 2012 at 12:32 pm |
  19. Honey Badger Dont Care

    Damn, I thought that someone had blown up the moon. Anyone got a Death Star lying around?

    September 3, 2012 at 12:22 pm |
  20. Gadflie

    Yep, another "messiah" dead and gone. They all have something in common, not a single one of them has ever actually come back.

    September 3, 2012 at 12:18 pm |
    • tony joseph

      HE IS THE TRUE LEADER!!! His teachigs will remain for ever. i have received blessings from Rev. Sun Myung Moon . i have a wonderful and peaceful family life. He will live for ever!!!

      September 3, 2012 at 1:03 pm |
    • EvolvedDNA

      Tony..as with all religions they all think they have the true prophet...they are unable to prove anything and never will. These folks are men and con artists..they have no more connection to a god than my dog does..

      September 3, 2012 at 3:30 pm |
    • Topher

      Gadflie

      "Yep, another "messiah" dead and gone. They all have something in common, not a single one of them has ever actually come back."

      ... except Jesus Christ who rose from the grave after three days and ascended into Heaven where He still lives and reigns.

      September 3, 2012 at 5:56 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      There is no evidence that jesus is a truer messiah than Koresh or any of the other delusional candidates. Jesus does show that it is good to get to market first with a few rabid followers.

      September 3, 2012 at 6:03 pm |
    • Topher

      What prophecies did Koresh fulfill?

      September 3, 2012 at 6:05 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      None, and neither did jesus, but please do entertain us with your views again...

      September 3, 2012 at 6:14 pm |
    • Topher

      Here's just a few in a nice little chart ...

      http://www.answersingenesis.org/assets/pdf/am/v6/n2/fulfilled-messianic-prophecies.pdf

      September 3, 2012 at 6:20 pm |
    • 0G-No gods, ghosts, goblins or ghouls

      And you can the more likely answers here:

      http://www.godlesshaven.com/articles/bible-prophecy_pg1.html

      September 3, 2012 at 6:29 pm |
    • Topher

      Yawn.

      September 3, 2012 at 10:28 pm |
    • Tom, Tom, the Piper's Son

      What prophesies did Jesus fulfill?

      September 3, 2012 at 10:29 pm |
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