By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – In a stadium filled with 8,000 evangelical Christian women, one person near the stage stands out.
Sporting short salt-and-peppered hair, broad shoulders and a high-collared shirt, the man sits calmly as ballerinas flutter across the stage, women tell jokes about menopause and the event’s emcee announces that almost all the men’s rooms at the Verizon Center in downtown Washington have been converted to female restrooms for the night, provoking a round of applause.
For Kurt Warner, former quarterback for the St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals and two-time National Football League MVP, this is about as far away from the testosterone-driven world of the gridiron as you can get.
Onstage is the reason Warner’s here: Brenda Warner, her angular face and close-cropped blonde hair radiating in professional lighting, telling the audience about God’s plan for her life.
For years, Brenda was known as Kurt’s uber-supportive wife – a woman whose unflinchingly defense and championing of her superstar husband sometimes made news in it its own right.
Today, two years into Kurt’s retirement, those roles are changing.
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Brenda has become what some call "Christian famous" - a renowned evangelical speaker who tours the country with the likes of the 2012 Women of Faith tour, which will reach tens of thousands of Christian women with a message of hope and faith. As one of the tour’s headliners, Brenda will travel the country each weekend until November to tell her story – one of heartbreak, love and growth.
Through much of it, Kurt will be there with her, sitting in the audience as his wife does her thing before throngs of adoring fans.
“Brenda Warner is no longer Kurt Warner’s wife,” one awestruck woman says after listening to Brenda’s story at the Verizon Center. “Kurt Warner is now Brenda Warner’s husband.”
‘We need each other, we all have a story’
Brenda Warner’s story is a tear-jerker, whether or not you accept the God part.
When she was 18, she joined the Marine Corps, a job that took her from her hometown of Parkersburg, Iowa, to bases in Japan and in Virginia Beach, Virginia – where she would marry another Marine and give birth to a baby boy.
When Brenda begins to explain her life to the crowd in Washington, women applaud for the lines about joining the Marines and having baby Zachary.
Then the story takes a dark turn.
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While working one day in Virginia Beach, Brenda got a phone call that changed her life. Her husband had dropped Zachary on his head, an accident that would leave their toddler legally blind and developmentally disabled. Speaking in Washington, Brenda recounts the scene at the hospital.
“Zachary had a seizure – they worked around him trying to stop it,” she says. “I did all that I knew to do – I called out, ‘Jesus, Jesus, let this be the last seizure.’”
A hush has fallen over the stadium. Women wipe tears from their cheeks; one has pulled her pink T-shirt over her eyes.
She and her husband struggled to make things work with Zachary, Brenda continues. She got pregnant again, she tells the audience, but when she was a month from her due date her husband told her he had feelings for another woman. “I got out of bed, I called home and said mama come get me,” she says. “He doesn't love me, after all that we have been through.”
Brenda became a registered nurse, largely to learn how to better cope with Zachary’s condition. To make ends meet, she stood in line for food stamps and moved out of her parent’s basement and into low-income housing.
Then, another bombshell.
One night in 1996, Brenda’s sister called to report that their mother and father, who had retired to a cabin in Arkansas, had been killed in a tornado. Their house had been wiped off the map.
“They were always my soft place to fall,” Brenda tells the crowd.
At this point, the woman with her head in her T-shirt is a sobbing headless body. But as quickly as she has just dropped the mood, Brenda builds it up by telling the women that God brought her through it all.
“I married that football player,” she says, gesturing toward Kurt. “He adopted my two and we have five more.” Tears are giving way to applause.
Kurt and Brenda Warner first met when Kurt was playing college football at University of Northern Iowa.
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Near the end of the speech, Brenda brings Zachary out to say hello to the crowd.
“If you have ever felt like life has cheated you, stand up with me,” Brenda says. “If you have ever felt disappointed in life, stand with me. If you have ever received a call that changed your life forever, brought you to your knees and took your breath away, look around, we are all in this together, we need each other, we all have a story.”
Afterward, many women say they saw themselves in Brenda’s story.
“She is just a normal everyday mom raising a family just like everybody,” says Sena Hohman, her two daughters accompanying her to the event. “Hearing these stories, you find out she is just like me, with ups and downs in life, with peaks and valleys.
“To be able to see somebody has overcome” what she has, said Judy Gerlitz from Centerville, Virginia, “shows me that I can do it.”
Super Bowl champion, philanthropist
When she’s offstage, Brenda and Kurt often operate as a team in their faith-based work.
On the recent Friday morning before Brenda addresses the Women of Faith conference, the couple find themselves in a small, bland conference room in downtown Washington.
Kurt takes notes while Brenda’s eyes stay fixed on the architect who’s briefing them. The topic: plans for a multi-apartment home for developmentally disabled young adults that the Warners want to build in their hometown of Scottsdale, Arizona.
The project is inspired by Zachary, now a 23-year-old high school graduate.
“Zach has probably impacted more people than all of us combined because there is something unique and special and honest about these individuals that see it like it is and call it like they see it,” Kurt says.
Zachary lives in a group house in St. Louis. The Warners are modeling the group home they’re building in Arizona, called Treasure House, on the St. Louis Life concept for independent living for those with special needs.
At the meeting in Washington, Kurt is very much in control, with the architect and a consultant urge the Warners to use Kurt’s celebrity to help raise funds. “Leverage your history,” the consultant says, looking at Kurt and talking football.
Kurt’s story, like Brenda’s, includes some letdowns. After going unselected in the 1994 NFL draft as a quarterback out of University of Northern Iowa, Kurt became a Hy-Vee grocery store stock clerk to make money. While stocking shelves, he signed with the Iowa Barnstorms, an Arena Football League team in Des Moines, Iowa. With his big arm and accuracy, he became an AFL star.
After a short stint with NFL Europe, Kurt became the third -tring quarterback for the St. Louis Rams for the 1998 season. In 1999, after an injury to the Rams’ starting quarterback, he got his chance. Leading the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV victory, Kurt won both the league and Super Bowl MVP award that year.
Kurt Warner drops back to pass in Super Bowl XXXIV, a game his St. Louis Rams defeated the Tennessee Titans, 23-16.
Brenda was there through all of it, from AFL to NFL. She and Kurt met while Kurt was attending college in Cedar Falls, Iowa, at a country bar where she was taking line dancing classes. She worried he wouldn’t be able to handle the fact she was divorced with two kids.
When he showed up the morning after their first date and said he wanted to meet her kids, Brenda says, “I feel in love with him before he fell in love with me.”
When Kurt led the Rams to their 1999 Super Bowl victory, not only was Brenda there - she became part of the story.
Brenda was vocally defensive of her husband when he had a bad game, even calling into radio stations to criticize the Rams coaching staff. That zeal and her on-camera postgame kisses for the star quarterback had some fans calling her the Yoko Ono of football.
Throughout his 12-year NFL career, Kurt was known for both his skill and overt faith. “Well, first things first,” Warner told a reporter after his first Super Bowl victory. “I've got to thank my Lord and Savior up above — thank you, Jesus!”
The interview provided a name for Kurt’s foundation, First Things First, which is “dedicated to impacting lives by promoting Christian values, sharing experiences and providing opportunities.” The group raises money, taking advantage of Kurt’s NFL connections, and organizes events for ill and developmentally disabled children.
Today, Kurt spends much of his time on such work. It’s why he’s talking building schematics instead of defensive schemes.
“My retirement isn’t quite like what people think about with retirement,” Warner says. “I am very busy and have a lot of things that I am active in. It is not a complete 180 from being gone every day to being home every day.”
But talking about civil engineering in a drab hotel conference room is a long way from the National Football League. The common thread: Brenda and their religious faith.
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Kurt says he had wanted Brenda to pursue her speaking career for years. But while he rose to superstardom, Brenda was a stay-at-home mom.
Now that Kurt is home more, he says, Brenda is free to pursue her dreams.
“What we have realized is there are seasons in all of our lives and dreams take sacrifices but they become family things,” Kurt says. “Dreams are family dreams.”
Brenda and Kurt now work closely together planning the couple's newest philanthropic venture – Treasure House.
Armed with her story and the star power that comes with her last name, Brenda has carved her own path on the Christian speaking circuit. Asked about the Warners at the Verizon Center’s Women of Faith event, only a few of the attendees know about her famous husband.
The tour is marketed to evangelical women to “celebrate what matters,” and also features appearances by female evangelical authors and media personalities. The tour is like a conference, with sessions on different challenges women face.
Kurt and Brenda see their changing professional seasons as part of God’s plan for them. “I don’t think that is the way that I would have written it, but I see that God has worked it out for good,” Brenda says. “I can see how he has been faithful. I can say now I am grateful.”
Telling her story has become second nature for Brenda. She has become expert in pitching God as the cure to heartache.
“He called me by name, he loves me and he won’t leave me,” Brenda repeats in her speech. “God was true to his word that he wouldn’t leave me.”
And neither, it seems, will Kurt.
Glad I don't have as much anger in my heart like 99% of the atheist comments on here. Must suck to go through life bitter all the time.....
2,000 years of opression, does seem to have that effect on us. I'd rather be bitter, than have my brain hijacked by a cult.
no anger from christians...
except when they tell atheists they will be tortured for all eternity in the lake of fire, a place where pain never ceases and time is meaningless. there is no end to the misery.
yes, always a message of love from the christians...
Oppression? Thats laughable and nobody can take such an absurd comment seriously. Last I checked, you're free to believe whatever you want and nobody's forcing anything down your throat.
Oh the irony of atheists seeking out religious articles and then making comments about being "oppressed" or having religion shoved down their throat. It shows the lengths of intellectual dishonesty that many will go to, haha what a bunch of scrubs.
Well they have nothing to live for
@Seriously – are you freakin' kidding me? It's not shoved down my throat?
Bibles in every motel room
God on our money
Moments of silence (prayer) before public events
Christian cable networks 24/7
Discounts on insurance for being christian
Churches every 6 blocks in every city over 100,000
Christian bookstores in every town over 12,000
God in The Pledge of Allegiance
Christian billboards along the highway advertising Vacation Brainwashing School (VBS) for your children
Federally recognized Christian holiday
Religious organizations are tax free
75% of the population claims to be Christian
National day of prayer
God in the National Anthem
"i'm an atheist." You are also Ignorant "BootyFUnk"
@Pat – I have everything to live for. I live everyday of my life, and accept it on it's own terms. I don't put off my existence for a fake eternity like you do. You think there's some magical sky daddy waiting to walk you down streets of golds, and has a mansion on a hill for you. You are truly delusional.
Wow If things as little as that offend you then you must be one miserable person. If the sight of a church offends you then you've got some serious issues.
@Pat Did Bootyfunk and I misunderstand your posts?
@Seriously – Living in a delusional socieity offends me! Being surrounded by psychoses, makes life unbearable at times. Knowing that people like you would love to inflict a theocracy on my country, makes the hair on my neck stand up. Yup, I must have issues then... because I find your religion extremely threatening and offensive to anyone with any type of common decency.
I'm such a FREAKING HYPOCRITE!!!! OF COURSE I HAVE ANGER IN MY HEART AND HEAD. I HATE people! I'm a christian and I wouldn't have even commented on here if I hadn't felt hatred and ANGER toward Atheists!!!
Brenda, We hope your story touches the lives of lost souls and bring them healing and encouragement through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Awww... why don't you write her a big fat check, and show your support? This is god speaking... write that check!
Jesus, like Hercules, likely never existed. the myth of the messiah was taken from earlier religions. look up Horus, Mitra and Hesus. bascially, Jesus is not to be taken seriously.
To all of you non-believer (atheists) you don't know what you are missing. Have you ever seen the 'wrath of GOD"? One day you will and you will be lost forever. These two people like Tebow are true Christians as GOD wants all of his people to be. Remember you lost souls you were also made in GOD's image. You get to make a choice and it is obvious you have but the wrong choice. One GOD and one day maybe you will find out. It is not about you and your thoughts but what GOD has done and will continue to do for believers in HIM. Ask any Christian and they will tell you. Too believe in him and he will take care of you for eternity. Read the BIBLE it is the best seller of all times....GOD wrote it.
In case you're really an imbecile Christian and not just a troll.....grow a brain you stupid shit.
That's a lot of assertions. Pretty serious. What is your evidence?
Your comment is so ludicrous, you are joking... I hope! If you're not, you really need to be committed. Seriously. You are disturbed. It is wrong on so many levels, it's impossible to even comment on it.
"Have you ever seen the 'wrath of GOD"?"
oh man, i love that part in Indiana Jones when God melts everyone's faces. yes, god is love. amen.
Wow, tk got so wrapped up with his message, he forgot to tell people which credit cards they accept.
No GOD didn't wite the bible,man did humans just like you,and as we all know humans make mistakes,or words get mistranslated,the point being is have faith in GOD but he gave you free will to use your brain too.
I am an agnostic. When I look at the quality of the comments on this blog between atheists and believes, two things become apparent. The first is that atheists are smarter and better informed than Christians and the second is that they tand to be more aggresive and "in your face" than believers.
So, my take away is that atheists are smart and offensive and Christians are less intellectually gifted but also less combative.
Are you kidding me? Xtians are infamous for their violence, their ferocity at attacking anything that they find offensive to their imaginary friend. Just look at the lines of Xtians, in 100 degree heat, that couldn't wait to buy at Chik Fil A, ... in order to hurt gay couples and their families. Their atrocities are too many to mention on any blog.
i'm an atheist. i agree with your assessment.
look at it this way. christianity is a cult. all religions are cults. all cults are bad for you. they tell people to turn off their brain, to stop thinking for yourself. once you are fully out of the cult, it's hard not to be angry that most of the people in this country are in a cult.
the bible supports slavery throughout, order christians to kill g.ays, disobedient children, non-virgin brides and anyone working the weekend. the bible says a woman r.aped must marry her r.apist. the bible tells women to be subservient to men. the bible says the world is flat, that evolution is wrong, that the universe was made by magic. there are unicorns, dragons, satyrs and c.ockatrice in the bible. the bible tells us normal s.exual feelings are sinful and that we will burn in hell forever and ever if we don't do what god says. god kill millions of innocent people in the bible. he drowns babies, the elderly, the disabled (mentally and physically) as well as all animals in his great flood. god sends bears to murder 42 children for making fun of one of his prophets for being bald.
basically, the bible is a terrible guide for morals/ethics. anyone following the bible would be among the worst serial killers/mass murders ever to have walked the earth. the bible teaches ignorance, guilt and fear.
atheists are tired of being surrounded by cult members. it's as simple as that.
Agnostic...what the hell does that mean? Either you have a belief in a deity or you do not. Which is it?
Bill, I'm not sure what your point is. Just an observation? There's enough "us vs. them" division from us and them.
John wrote: " Either you have a belief in a deity or you do not. Which is it?"
If you're agnostic – it's like saying you just don't know – you don't think that anyone has made a good case that god/deity(s) exists and you also don't think anyone has made a good case that god/deity(s) doesn't exist. This really is the way I am too. It's too simple really, IMHO, to use just the one term. To be out front with who you are, it's better to both say how you feel about a deity and then how you feel about religion. I say I am agnostic, but atheist when it comes to all religion, therefore you pretty much know you'd have a tough time selling me on the god of Abraham or any other "already described" god – even though I don't claim that a higher power does not exist.
But an atheist on deities denies the existence of any deity.
@Ben...an atheist is one who simply lacks a belief in a deity, that's it. So, if you lack a belief in a deity you too are an atheist which, according to your description of yourself, you are.. I guess you and others choose the less demonized term of agnostic since you'd less likey to get your tires slashed or lose your job and friends or come to bodily harm.
@John – Yes I've read about the various nuances of the term atheist. But agnostic is also a term that, at least as far as deities go, may fit me better than just some variation of atheist. I have much more confidence in science and evolution for instance than I do that the god of Abraham or, as I said "already described" have ever existed (actually I have zero confidence of the latter); BUT, I don't think any sufficient argument has convinced me that no kind of higher deity has ever existed that has played some kind of role for mankind. Therefore, I'm perfectly happy if you call me an atheist. I sometimes use the term myself, but agnosticism also describes me. I also feel that, even though I am confident about evolution as it stands now, I have great confidence that even more revealing theories will arise that better explain our origins that are not out in the universe, but within us and our natural surrounding, but in a natural and non-spiritual way. In a nutshell, I need to be shown something to accept it. If that comes from a deity sometime later – fine. If it comes from science – fine too and I'm putting my money on the latter.
this story is about two people that want to be worshiped as christian super-stars. they care more about fame and wealth than piety.
Hey Bootyfunk – always good to see you on these blogs. Religion is the opium of the people. They're happy to donate to these charlatan's, as it gives them their opium high. Too bad this brand of opium's legal.
howdy. love your handle, btw. hehe.
yeah, sadly, it's hard to wake people up - feels like we live in the christian matrix sometimes. but it's happening. people are turning their brains on, slowly but surely. look to the younger generation. hard to pull long time cult members out of sheep-dom.
All you incredibly intelligent and perfect religion haters should throw on your white kkk suits. Nice work. That's what makes this country so great. Keep it up.
As I recall, your religion hated me, before I hated it. Turnabout's fair play.
fyi, the KKK is a christian organization.
I don't have one, yup. Is there a possibility you have one you can spare?
This is a story about 2 people who have overcome great odds and attribute a portion of that to their faith in God. This story is on CNN's religion related blog. Yet all these posters can do is lambast God.
It would be similar to me going to a gay site and bashing gays.
If you do not believe in God, why are you on CNN"s Belief Blog?
Because gays, in a gay bar, do not have an impact on laws, society, rights. However, religionists have a direct impact on other people, and their way of life. We feel ok bashing something, that does not exist.
For the same reason that christians who don't believe in abortions go to abortion clinics, to protest.
Delusional people should be called out and, since they are the majority in the US, laughed at and ridiculed the same as I would do to flat Earthers, astrolgers, horiscope believers, etc.
I just read page one page of these comments. I need to read no more. I need to take a shower. I did not know there was this much hatred towards another person's belief's..excuse me there is, it's called Islam Extremists and the people writing above
are just short of them. What is next, killing everyone who even mentions "GOD"?
And all of those posters are cowards because they know Kurt OR his wife could kick their butt.
Unfortunately, other people's beliefs has a dramatic effect on other people around them. It effects their rights, their way of life, their sanity. Religion is the scurge of humanity.
aawww poor christians. they don't get a special place above all others. boohoohoo!
no one is saying don't worship your invisible friend in the sky - just don't do it in our public schools, courtrooms, etc. go to church and pray. pray at home. pray in the park. just stop crying when we ask you to separate church and state.
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they are so cute......best of luck!!
She's wearing as much make-up as Tammy Faye used to. Wonder if that's some sorta prerequisite to be a televangelist. hmmm... She looks like a street-walker.
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God is great
God is good
Look he gave me
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Obama is my GOD! I love him deeply, yes I do, like I love Siva and Sita, I love Obama and want to cuddle with him!
Damned if the "holy people" the GOP, won't work to take that away, too.
I'm happy for Kurt and Brenda and I'm glad Brenda's life has turned around for the better. I would like the story better if she gave the credit of her success to her own intelligence and hard work rather than a fictional character in an ancient book. There are way too many people of faith just sitting around waiting for god's intervention rather that taking necessary action on their own. Brenda is a good woman who has figured out how to make her life work, but she and her family should take the credit.
Credit belongs to God. God does not do all the work, but offers windows of opportunity and as His followers, we have free choice to act or not. The fact that we have the gift of free will does not negate the influence and power of God, but rather elevates both Him and us (humans) and our relationship with Him and His son. Those who like to take credit on their own often end up finding life to be an empty, hollow shell, with little hope as life goes on and often spiraling into miserly or self-indulgent behaviors. To try and diminish this story because she is a woman of faith (and perhaps you do not share this gift) merely demonstrates the vacant soul that chooses to live in a two dimensional world. I wish you well. I wish for you a turning point where you will see, feel and understand His hand in your story. For then joy and fulfillment will be laid out before you and you will no longer revel in posting backhanded compliments.
its whatever floats your boat.......the God effect works for her...
@Richard – so, the credit belongs to god? Ok...I'll give you that. How about giving him credit for all the starving babies? How about all the credit for children with cancer... hmmm... while we're at it, how about all the credit for wars, murders, and all other things he knew was going to happen, but neglected to act on it. Don't give me the "free will" crapola. He already knew it was going to happen. Therefore, free will is removed from the equation.
@richard: "Credit belongs to God. God does not do all the work, but offers windows of opportunity and as His followers, we have free choice to act or not."
So if this football player received a scholarship to a good school, or simply went straight to the offer to play for an NFL team (i don't know his history), these "windows of opportunity" aren't springing out of nowhere. They are the product of others' free will to make those offers to him. His health, genetics, and initial family ideals/money all provided to him by virtue of random chance birth. People are providing his opportunities. Therefore god offers no such windows.
And you don't have free will. You have extortion. "Do as I command or I'll waterboard you in a lake of fire for eternity." There's your loving god.
"The fact that we have the gift of free will does not negate the influence and power of God, but rather elevates both Him and us (humans) and our relationship with Him and His son."
Instead of stating your opinion, please show us your proof that so-called free will does not negate the influence and power of god.
"Those who like to take credit on their own often end up finding life to be an empty, hollow shell, with little hope as life goes on and often spiraling into miserly or self-indulgent behaviors."
Please show us the, no doubt, mountains of evidence to support your claim.
"To try and diminish this story because she is a woman of faith (and perhaps you do not share this gift) merely demonstrates the vacant soul that chooses to live in a two dimensional world."
Here is where we really see your religion shine. You've learned from your religion that when you really don't want people to argue, you simply tell them that to argue or disbelieve your statement makes them bad. You've learned to wallow in ignorance and to attempt to keep others ignorant at the same time. It's a two-fer for Jesus!
Where'd you learn it? One place is Psalm 14:1 - To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.
or maybe Luke 11:28 - But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
Congrats on helping keep so much of the world in the Iron Age. You surely feel blessed.
"I wish you well. I wish for you a turning point where you will see, feel and understand His hand in your story. For then joy and fulfillment will be laid out before you and you will no longer revel in posting backhanded compliments."
And as is typical, a closing statement full of hypocrisy. You preach to us against backhanded compliments yet you've given one yourself. You've cloaked it pretty well but fortunately I've seen it used often enough to recognize it. It's sickening. What you're really wishing on us is not some gentle "turning point" - what you're wishing on us is misery so we'll then turn to god to receive joy.
Therein lie the reasons so many of us get louder and louder in your presence: hypocrisy and violence. You and your religion purport to be rooted in love yet you threaten torture and misery. You are in a cult that employs extortion to gain more deluded followers in their time of need.
Wow! You guys hit hard. Thanks.
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I heard a good one from one of my childhood friends. We were both educated in the same xtian school and church. He's now working on his phd in theology (yes, it's a real thing and not the funny thing I'm mentioning). I love to pick his brain about all things god, as it's hard to find people that seriously dedicate their entire lives to the study of god.
I was asking him about god being omnipresent (god is everywhere). So I asked, is there anywhere that god isn't? He replies, "No, except hell." So god is everywhere else then... "yes." Even in the empty spaces? "Um, no." Well the universe is 98% empty space, so god is only in 2% of the universe?
Anyone, (xtians or other) care to tackle this? Maybe Chad has some insight... his theology seems to be more modern than most.
That's an easy one! God does not exist, therefore... he/she/it does not occupy any part of anything real.
@edweird69, Easy for us, but I'm still curious how christians make sense of it.
@GodFree – they'll all invent their own explanations for it. Ask each one of them about the question you asked, and they'll give you a different answer. Their book is so poorly written, and so rife with contradictions, that they can make no sense of it. Just look at all the different religions derived from just one book.
For fun, look up the Wikipedia page on the ten commandments. it's hilarious. Something so seemingly simple becomes ridiculously complicated with all the versions, translations, and interpretations. ridiculous.
And give the glory to me, because I am GOD! Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things, you are just silly, stop tickling me under the arms! Stop it!!!
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With all due respect, teaching children that the bible has all the answers to the mysteries of the universe does them a great disservice. It is far better to teach kids to be curious, ask questions and demand proof for extraordinary claims. Children in Islamic countries are brainwashed to believe in Islam just as Christian children are brainwashed to believe in Abraham's god just as Jews.......... We should be teaching our kids to think for themselves and take pride is seeking truth with evidence. That is how we can move on as humans.
Kurt after his Super Bowl victory.
“I've got to thank my Lord and Savior up above — thank you, Jesus!”
To that, we say, Yes, Indeed! He is the author and finisher of our faith.
But as the author and finisher of our faith, he can sometimes write bad things and end things with cruelty. That's our God! We think he's great!
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Author of morality like this?
A faith that has never been tested cannot be proven, God is always there in your good times and bad times. You gotta have faith! and yes, he is the author and finisher of your faith and will see you through!
Here is how you need to look at this. Don't give the glory to yourself but give it to God.
There is no evidence for any god. Glory in sports is mostly due to inherited genetics, fortunate choices, and opportunities brought by random chance.
You're totally correct ScottCA! Forgive my ignorance to science.
Prayer changes things .
I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. I strongly encourage you to continue reading the book that I recommended for this problem:
I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
by the Alzheimer's Disease Society
Prayer makes normally sane adults into mental children talking to imaginary people for whom they have no evidence of existing.
It is insanity.
I sure do wish my children were smarter. They are christian because I've kept them in the dark about the real world. So they can only realy christian books and listen to christian music and go to church all the time. They may be a little slow when they finally get out into the real world, but hopefully they'll have learned to hate non-believers like good christians do!
A very nice, but religious family has shunned my family after they found out that we do not believe in their god. I think they found out when my daughter was asked what church she went to and she replied that we don't go to church. They do not let their daughter take high school biology classes even though the father is a military doctor. I feel for their children and am sorry they are being taught to hate people who do not think like them.
And as Muslem extremist do.
You are replying to a name thief
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