By Dan Merica, CNN
Washington (CNN) – In a stadium filled with 8,000 evangelical Christian women, one person near the stage stands out.
Sporting short salt-and-peppered hair, broad shoulders and a high-collared shirt, the man sits calmly as ballerinas flutter across the stage, women tell jokes about menopause and the event’s emcee announces that almost all the men’s rooms at the Verizon Center in downtown Washington have been converted to female restrooms for the night, provoking a round of applause.
For Kurt Warner, former quarterback for the St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals and two-time National Football League MVP, this is about as far away from the testosterone-driven world of the gridiron as you can get.
Onstage is the reason Warner’s here: Brenda Warner, her angular face and close-cropped blonde hair radiating in professional lighting, telling the audience about God’s plan for her life.
For years, Brenda was known as Kurt’s uber-supportive wife – a woman whose unflinchingly defense and championing of her superstar husband sometimes made news in it its own right.
Today, two years into Kurt’s retirement, those roles are changing.
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Brenda has become what some call "Christian famous" - a renowned evangelical speaker who tours the country with the likes of the 2012 Women of Faith tour, which will reach tens of thousands of Christian women with a message of hope and faith. As one of the tour’s headliners, Brenda will travel the country each weekend until November to tell her story – one of heartbreak, love and growth.
Through much of it, Kurt will be there with her, sitting in the audience as his wife does her thing before throngs of adoring fans.
“Brenda Warner is no longer Kurt Warner’s wife,” one awestruck woman says after listening to Brenda’s story at the Verizon Center. “Kurt Warner is now Brenda Warner’s husband.”
‘We need each other, we all have a story’
Brenda Warner’s story is a tear-jerker, whether or not you accept the God part.
When she was 18, she joined the Marine Corps, a job that took her from her hometown of Parkersburg, Iowa, to bases in Japan and in Virginia Beach, Virginia – where she would marry another Marine and give birth to a baby boy.
When Brenda begins to explain her life to the crowd in Washington, women applaud for the lines about joining the Marines and having baby Zachary.
Then the story takes a dark turn.
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While working one day in Virginia Beach, Brenda got a phone call that changed her life. Her husband had dropped Zachary on his head, an accident that would leave their toddler legally blind and developmentally disabled. Speaking in Washington, Brenda recounts the scene at the hospital.
“Zachary had a seizure – they worked around him trying to stop it,” she says. “I did all that I knew to do – I called out, ‘Jesus, Jesus, let this be the last seizure.’”
A hush has fallen over the stadium. Women wipe tears from their cheeks; one has pulled her pink T-shirt over her eyes.
She and her husband struggled to make things work with Zachary, Brenda continues. She got pregnant again, she tells the audience, but when she was a month from her due date her husband told her he had feelings for another woman. “I got out of bed, I called home and said mama come get me,” she says. “He doesn't love me, after all that we have been through.”
Brenda became a registered nurse, largely to learn how to better cope with Zachary’s condition. To make ends meet, she stood in line for food stamps and moved out of her parent’s basement and into low-income housing.
Then, another bombshell.
One night in 1996, Brenda’s sister called to report that their mother and father, who had retired to a cabin in Arkansas, had been killed in a tornado. Their house had been wiped off the map.
“They were always my soft place to fall,” Brenda tells the crowd.
At this point, the woman with her head in her T-shirt is a sobbing headless body. But as quickly as she has just dropped the mood, Brenda builds it up by telling the women that God brought her through it all.
“I married that football player,” she says, gesturing toward Kurt. “He adopted my two and we have five more.” Tears are giving way to applause.
Kurt and Brenda Warner first met when Kurt was playing college football at University of Northern Iowa.
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Near the end of the speech, Brenda brings Zachary out to say hello to the crowd.
“If you have ever felt like life has cheated you, stand up with me,” Brenda says. “If you have ever felt disappointed in life, stand with me. If you have ever received a call that changed your life forever, brought you to your knees and took your breath away, look around, we are all in this together, we need each other, we all have a story.”
Afterward, many women say they saw themselves in Brenda’s story.
“She is just a normal everyday mom raising a family just like everybody,” says Sena Hohman, her two daughters accompanying her to the event. “Hearing these stories, you find out she is just like me, with ups and downs in life, with peaks and valleys.
“To be able to see somebody has overcome” what she has, said Judy Gerlitz from Centerville, Virginia, “shows me that I can do it.”
Super Bowl champion, philanthropist
When she’s offstage, Brenda and Kurt often operate as a team in their faith-based work.
On the recent Friday morning before Brenda addresses the Women of Faith conference, the couple find themselves in a small, bland conference room in downtown Washington.
Kurt takes notes while Brenda’s eyes stay fixed on the architect who’s briefing them. The topic: plans for a multi-apartment home for developmentally disabled young adults that the Warners want to build in their hometown of Scottsdale, Arizona.
The project is inspired by Zachary, now a 23-year-old high school graduate.
“Zach has probably impacted more people than all of us combined because there is something unique and special and honest about these individuals that see it like it is and call it like they see it,” Kurt says.
Zachary lives in a group house in St. Louis. The Warners are modeling the group home they’re building in Arizona, called Treasure House, on the St. Louis Life concept for independent living for those with special needs.
At the meeting in Washington, Kurt is very much in control, with the architect and a consultant urge the Warners to use Kurt’s celebrity to help raise funds. “Leverage your history,” the consultant says, looking at Kurt and talking football.
Kurt’s story, like Brenda’s, includes some letdowns. After going unselected in the 1994 NFL draft as a quarterback out of University of Northern Iowa, Kurt became a Hy-Vee grocery store stock clerk to make money. While stocking shelves, he signed with the Iowa Barnstorms, an Arena Football League team in Des Moines, Iowa. With his big arm and accuracy, he became an AFL star.
After a short stint with NFL Europe, Kurt became the third -tring quarterback for the St. Louis Rams for the 1998 season. In 1999, after an injury to the Rams’ starting quarterback, he got his chance. Leading the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV victory, Kurt won both the league and Super Bowl MVP award that year.
Kurt Warner drops back to pass in Super Bowl XXXIV, a game his St. Louis Rams defeated the Tennessee Titans, 23-16.
Brenda was there through all of it, from AFL to NFL. She and Kurt met while Kurt was attending college in Cedar Falls, Iowa, at a country bar where she was taking line dancing classes. She worried he wouldn’t be able to handle the fact she was divorced with two kids.
When he showed up the morning after their first date and said he wanted to meet her kids, Brenda says, “I feel in love with him before he fell in love with me.”
When Kurt led the Rams to their 1999 Super Bowl victory, not only was Brenda there - she became part of the story.
Brenda was vocally defensive of her husband when he had a bad game, even calling into radio stations to criticize the Rams coaching staff. That zeal and her on-camera postgame kisses for the star quarterback had some fans calling her the Yoko Ono of football.
Throughout his 12-year NFL career, Kurt was known for both his skill and overt faith. “Well, first things first,” Warner told a reporter after his first Super Bowl victory. “I've got to thank my Lord and Savior up above — thank you, Jesus!”
The interview provided a name for Kurt’s foundation, First Things First, which is “dedicated to impacting lives by promoting Christian values, sharing experiences and providing opportunities.” The group raises money, taking advantage of Kurt’s NFL connections, and organizes events for ill and developmentally disabled children.
Today, Kurt spends much of his time on such work. It’s why he’s talking building schematics instead of defensive schemes.
“My retirement isn’t quite like what people think about with retirement,” Warner says. “I am very busy and have a lot of things that I am active in. It is not a complete 180 from being gone every day to being home every day.”
But talking about civil engineering in a drab hotel conference room is a long way from the National Football League. The common thread: Brenda and their religious faith.
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Kurt says he had wanted Brenda to pursue her speaking career for years. But while he rose to superstardom, Brenda was a stay-at-home mom.
Now that Kurt is home more, he says, Brenda is free to pursue her dreams.
“What we have realized is there are seasons in all of our lives and dreams take sacrifices but they become family things,” Kurt says. “Dreams are family dreams.”
Brenda and Kurt now work closely together planning the couple's newest philanthropic venture – Treasure House.
Armed with her story and the star power that comes with her last name, Brenda has carved her own path on the Christian speaking circuit. Asked about the Warners at the Verizon Center’s Women of Faith event, only a few of the attendees know about her famous husband.
The tour is marketed to evangelical women to “celebrate what matters,” and also features appearances by female evangelical authors and media personalities. The tour is like a conference, with sessions on different challenges women face.
Kurt and Brenda see their changing professional seasons as part of God’s plan for them. “I don’t think that is the way that I would have written it, but I see that God has worked it out for good,” Brenda says. “I can see how he has been faithful. I can say now I am grateful.”
Telling her story has become second nature for Brenda. She has become expert in pitching God as the cure to heartache.
“He called me by name, he loves me and he won’t leave me,” Brenda repeats in her speech. “God was true to his word that he wouldn’t leave me.”
And neither, it seems, will Kurt.
I'll say this much - and I write this as an athiest longer than many of the commentators likely have been alive - athiests have become more intolerant and evangelical then their supposed targets. Most people of faith I interact with are quiet about it ... I have yet to meet an athiest who isn't a complete jerk about it. Rock on with your FSM bumper stickers.
Intolerant or tired of people trying to dictate how we live our lives? I don't not subscribe to religious non sense therefore any of its asinine "laws" or rules do not apply to me. If you choose to live your life religiously that's fine, but don't tell me I have to as well.
You? An atheist? You are a liar and a BS'er. Keep your crud to yourself.
Yeah, and wasn't it a real pain when all those Civil rights marchers started getting all uppity and having loud demonstrations and making demands, instead of staying nice and quiet and not upsetting the all-white apple cart?
polite people do not discuss religion openly. of all my friends and family, the only ones who discuss religion are the evangelicals, but they are just a bit loopy. everyone else understands how divisive religion can be and avoid the topic.
of course, this forum is specifically created for the purpose of these discussions. if you dislike them, go elsewhere.
Why should atheists be quiet about their views concerning religion? Christians certainly aren't quiet in this religion-soaked country. We atheists are just tired of always sitting in the back seat.
There is a difference between discussion and what's going on this forum. As I said, athiests have turned into the new evangelical...so much so that I'm now being accused of being a covert Christian. I'm an athiest, but not athiest enough apparently. I can't wait for the atheism purity tests when we take over.
Willful ignorance should never be tolerated.
Here's a little ditty the Lord told me to write:
Joined the Corps when I was young
Looking for a guy who’s hung
Oh, Lord, hear my call.
Got hitched up, stayed on my back
Got knocked up and then had Zach
Oh, Lord, I love to ball.
But hubby dropped Zach on his head
Now retarded, least not dead
Hey, Lord, about your plan?
Another pup was one the way
Hubby he did run away
Lord, send me a far richer man
But that God was in a mood
A parent-killin’ storm – that’s rude!
Hey, God – that weren’t nice.
But then God he sent me Kurt
And I swallowed his hot spurt
Oh, Jesus Christ! he said
He said will you marry me?
I said – ugg, ugg, glunk – okee!
If you’re rich I’ll give you lots of head
He’s a multi-millionaire
Now I shave my public hair
‘Cause the bible orders a hairless muff
And now I get down on my knees
And thank the Lord for t-its like these
That are full of all that silicon-y stuff
So now I get the chance to say
To all you jesus freaks today
The Lord loves you and he does have a plan
So if you have a throat that’s deep
And use it well, then you can keep
A million dollar football playin’ man
And thanks for coming here this week
Pay 50 bucks to hear me speak
That jesus is a really righteous guy
He made my life just what it is
Well that and swallowing of ji-zz
But it still hurts when I get it in my eye.
He was a great player, but they are KOOKS.
I am amazed to see the hatred most of you convey towards God. It is full of Hypocrisy. On one hand you say that people who believe in God are bigots, full of hate, and close minded.
Then, as if you are unaware of your own words, you start practicing what you preach against. Almost every comment on here is full hate, bigotry, and close minded thinking you are accusing others of. Most of all you are truly excited and fulfilled by doing so.
You are no better than the Catholics who pillaged and killed innocent lives in the name of a FALSE GOD. You would do the same to those who dont believe as you do. You do not pursue peace and free thinking, only persecution of those who believe differently than you.
In you rambling and delusional thinking you are actually fulfilling the words of the man you hate so much.
I know this will not change your thinking, I know you will continue to outwardly show the hatred you have for anyone different and I would expect nothing more. Ill be glad to take your criticism to continue to prove my Savior right
the gospels were written nearly a century after the jesus fabled death. the veracity of every word attributed to him is highly suspect.
Which of us Gods is your rather nasty post in reference to? Most people think I am pretty cool but you are making me feel paranoid, a little. Which of the Gods do all these people hate, be specific? Thanks, here's hoping it isn't Me.
even if it is suspect, 2000 years later those verses still have truth.
Hate god? Which god are we refering to? Hate? how can I hate something that isn't there? You are deluded, and the hate is within you. Grow up, sonny.
the God I am referring to is the False God of the Catholics in who's name they killed Jews, Muslims, Christians, and many others.Don't worry Dyonisus im sure there were murders committed for you as well
I don't hate God - I hate His kooky evangelical followers.
I hate people who claim to support small government, but who at the same time try to legislate morality.
I hate people who try to force people to live their lives a certain way, but when you have the audacity to call them out they accuse you of oppressing them. Preventing you from oppressing people isn't oppression.
anthony – there is no reason to believe that whatsoever.
Will I guess you didn't read the verses. Hating his kooky followers is what Jesus talks about
The same could be said about Homers Iliad, but we know it was fiction. The bible is a book of myths. Jesus was a cult leader. You're clinically delusional if you believe in any form of God/s.
The post was not to confirm God's existence. It was to illustrate the point that free thinking encompasses believing in God.
There is nothing in the New Testament that teaches oppression. Jesus never harmed anyone, and refused to allow those who followed him to do so. Even the idea of hell is not oppressive. Its nothing that can be proven to exist. Saying someone will go to a place that cant be proven to exist after they die does not sound like oppression to me. Saying you hate someone because they believe in something does sound alot like an oppressive ideology
Free thinking would lead one to question everything religion stands for. Free thinking is exactly what religion dose not want from its followers. You obviously do not understand the concept of free thinking.
"the gospels were written nearly a century after the jesus fabled death. the veracity of every word attributed to him is highly suspect."
“Almost every comment on here is full hate, bigotry, and close minded thinking you are accusing others of.”
“You are no better than the Catholics who pillaged and killed innocent lives in the name of a FALSE GOD.”
Oh, yes, Anthony, now I see what you mean. Thanks.
Anthony, thanks for your post. It speaks the truth.
But Friend, what you and see here goes beyond what human eyes can see. These people who spew venomous hatred against us and against the Lord are spiritually driven.
I don't believe there ever was time since the pre-flood world that demonic activity has been seen so widespread as today.
What we see in those people is satan's hatred manifested through them. They are his vessels, his servants, and they don't even know WHY the profanities and hate is in them.
They boast themselves of reason, intelligence and clear thinking, but God has given them spirit of stupor that they can't understand even the obvious.
So my point is, most of those people here who come and insult Christians and throw mud at the Name of Christ Jesus are reprobates. The Word of God speaks of those.
But God has some coming here which are NOT reprobates, and it is for them that we come here and share the Gospel of salvation, giving them hope, and preaching the Word of God to convicts human hearts of SIN, RIGHTEOUSNESS and JUDGMENT. It is how they respond the the Word of God that reveals what is in them.
As for the rest of them, let them bark! They are like pack of dogs who growl and bark, and together they feel powerful. They need each other to feel powerful, so they bunch up together and bark.
But we have the Name of Jesus , the Name above all names, and we know that His name every knee shall bow, in Heaven and Earth. Satan knows that, so he rages. But God is at work, gathering His lost sheep from among wolves!
Blessed day to you, friend!
WHy would hypocrisy even bother a CHristian? After all, you have a GOd that can't even folllow his own simple rules – e.g. thou shalll not killl.
Thanks, Prism, you got that right! We’re going to be up there in paradise rubbing our little hands with quivering glee at the sight of these wiseguys, who so tormented us and laughed at us in high school, writhing in torment and agony in the Lake O’Fire! Christ’s revenge against these mocking intellectuals will be terrible. I can hardly wait!
The think we’re full of love, but we’ll show ‘em. Bended-knee reprobates indeed! They won’t be one tenth so boastful when they’re trying to assuage their melting flesh that never heals!
“…they don't even know WHY the profanities and hate is in them…but God has given them spirit of stupor that they can't understand even the obvious”
Ha ha ha, God will show them, the stupidheads!
God haters are not only cowards, they are also psychopaths !
This woamn is amazing in her naivety. She says her imaginary friend in the sky brought her through all of this tragedy, but fails to recognize that he could have stopped it, being "all powerful". After someone shoots you in the head, do you thank him with your last words?
I bet they have swinger party's. Just imagine that hag crying out "oh god" while being spitroasted by a couple of Kurt's old teammates.
with a litttle maturation your comment would be juvenile.
People like this are scary. It's as if they don't live in reality.
just let people be free to believe what they choose to believe-it's all a choice–just as everything in life-if someone chooses to believe in God, it's their free will, if someone chooses not to, it's also their free will-I dont get why people get so bothered if someone chooses to believe there is the God of the bible-to each his own I say-as for myself, i choose to follow God of the bible-in the end if it IS all just a story, then I am no worse off than if i choose NOT to believe! so we just die in the end! only in my heart i dont believe that this life on earth is just IT after we die-we just exist, work very hard, go through soooo much angst, and then just die-doesn't sound right to me, but that's me–and no one out there is forced to agree with my thoughts-i'm just putting out what's in my heart. my hopes are that there IS a heaven, that will be total opposite of life here on earth!
The religious are THE WORST at just leaving people alone. If they would stop constantly trying to inject their nonsense into public education, politics, television, radio, reproductive laws, the workplace, and on and on and on, everyone else would be more than happy to let you go live in your fantasy land.
the problem is when those people who believe decide to force their beliefs on others by codifying their beliefs into law, discriminating against their fellows, and insinuating it in to public school curriculum.
if all they did was believe it would be no problem.
Xtians just HAVE to spread their BS. God told them. Yea, sure. Ignorance and naiveity are one thing, but to spread it around as an absolute truth, it just asks to be stopped. Stop spreading a falsehood.
Hello, sister. Have you been born again?
So, let me see if I got this right: God allowed her son Zachary to become blind and developmentally delayed. Then God sent a tornado to kill her parents in 1996. He's a nice fella, isn't he?
I am so sorry that you want to blame God for all of the ugly things of this world. I have had bad things happen to me and I can say with all assurance that if God had not been there for me I would not have been able to overcome them. MY HEART BREAKS FOR YOU AND EVERYONE LIKE YOU THAT CANNOT SEE THE GOODNESS OF GOD!
So Cray, that's a pretty f***** up god you worship that let your life go to hell first just so he could "save" you. Why did he let it happen in the first place if he just planned on "saving" you in the end. To toy with you? Does he enjoy watching you suffer first like an animal?
If "god" really existed and really wanted to save you he would have just done it in the first place. End of story. Otherwise he is a sadist or a monster.
I don't understand why God only gets credit for good things, but no blame for the bad? Sounds like a lot of people are fooling themselves.
Can you tell the difference between good and bad?
Even though religion is total nonsense I wouldn't really mind people like her if they could even manage to practice a fraction of the generosity they preach. Instead they get rich off of sückering other people out of their money by conjuring up pretend people in the sky. She's scüm.
You know this for a fact that Brenda Warner is getting rich by conjuring up pretend people in the sky. You have seen her IRS records and know for a fact that she is doing this? You better have proof before you start accusing people.
Religion, the ultimate ponzi scheme.
These charlatans are no better than the Madhoff family.
it is refreshing to see religion mentioned in the news that is not attached to someone trying to deny rights to their fellow man.
He called me by name,.......was this a voice inside her head or outside?
I think it might be a little like the old kids' tv show "Romper Room", when at the end of the show, the lady would look through her special "glass" (and stare right into the camera) and call out YOUR name while you were watching. To someone who is just shy of being brain-washed, this too would seem "magical" and "god-sent".
It seems to me what really helped her life was marrying her husband. That gave her financial security and five more children. She found a good man for her and her two children. If believing in God helped her cope with tragedies, great.
Kurt and Brenda,
As per your request for added details:
Jesus was an illiterate Jewish peasant/carpenter/simple preacher man who suffered from hallucinations (or “mythicizing” from P, M, M, L and J) and who has been characterized anywhere from the Messiah from Nazareth to a mythical character from mythical Nazareth to a ma-mzer from Nazareth (Professor Bruce Chilton, in his book Rabbi Jesus). An-alyses of Jesus’ life by many contemporary NT scholars (e.g. Professors Ludemann, Crossan, Borg and Fredriksen, ) via the NT and related doc-uments have concluded that only about 30% of Jesus' sayings and ways noted in the NT were authentic. The rest being embellishments (e.g. miracles)/hallucinations made/had by the NT authors to impress various Christian, Jewish and Pagan sects.
The 30% of the NT that is "authentic Jesus" like everything in life was borrowed/plagiarized and/or improved from those who came before. In Jesus' case, it was the ways and sayings of the Babylonians, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians, Hitt-ites, Canaanites, OT, John the Baptizer and possibly the ways and sayings of traveling Greek Cynics.
For added "pizzazz", Catholic theologians divided god the singularity into three persons and invented atonement as an added guilt trip for the "pew people" to go along with this trinity of overseers. By doing so, they made god the padre into god the "filicider".
Current RCC problems:
Pedophiliac priests, an all-male, mostly white hierarchy, atonement theology and original sin!!!!
Luther, Calvin, Joe Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley, Roger Williams, the Great “Babs” et al, founders of Christian-based religions or combination religions also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of "pretty wingie thingie" visits and "prophecies" for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immacu-late co-nceptions).
Adulterous preachers, pedophiliac clerics, "propheteering/ profiteering" evangelicals and atonement theology,
I guess you've not truly read the New Testament or thought about it independent of your guides. If you're serious, try that. It has changed the thinking and the lives of many who had the intellectual courage to try.
Don Campy, why do you stupid christians always TELL people they haven't read the bible, when you know nothing about them? How ego-centric are you? What a megalomaniac you are to think that reading some man-made book means that your god exists.
Your New Testament as you call it was plagiarized from earlier religious tomes and much of the qualities of your jesus christ were taken from the Theogony. I should have been the big kahuna, I had been there and done that before jc was even thought of, ie. Zeus knocked up a mortal woman, my mom, Semele. So get a little intellectual courage and read up on the other myths that your myth is based on and you may find that it is all BS. Start with a modern myth, written recently by the prophet for profit, Bobby Henderson, The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a tasty literary treat. At least when he writes BS, he lets every one know it is BS but I guess there are some, maybe like you, that may believe in anything. HALLELUJAH
Dear Reality –
You need to live in reality and quit trying to disprove. Your "facts" are fiction and assuming, and of course, we know what happens when you assume.
Some references used to prepare my comments:
o 1. Historical Jesus Theories, earlychristianwritings.com/theories.htm – the names of many of the contemporary historical Jesus scholars and the ti-tles of their over 100 books on the subject.
2. Early Christian Writings, earlychristianwritings.com/
– a list of early Christian doc-uments to include the year of publication–
30-60 CE Passion Narrative
40-80 Lost Sayings Gospel Q
50-60 1 Thessalonians
50-60 1 Corinthians
50-60 2 Corinthians
50-90 Signs Gospel
50-95 Book of Hebrews
50-140 Gospel of Thomas
50-140 Oxyrhynchus 1224 Gospel
50-200 Sophia of Jesus Christ
65-80 Gospel of Mark
70-100 Epistle of James
70-120 Egerton Gospel
70-160 Gospel of Peter
70-160 Secret Mark
70-200 Fayyum Fragment
70-200 Testaments of the Twelve Patriarchs
73-200 Mara Bar Serapion
80-100 2 Thessalonians
80-100 Gospel of Matthew
80-110 1 Peter
80-120 Epistle of Barnabas
80-130 Gospel of Luke
80-130 Acts of the Apostles
80-140 1 Clement
80-150 Gospel of the Egyptians
80-150 Gospel of the Hebrews
80-250 Christian Sibyllines
90-95 Apocalypse of John
90-120 Gospel of John
90-120 1 John
90-120 2 John
90-120 3 John
90-120 Epistle of Jude
93 Flavius Josephus
100-150 1 Timothy
100-150 2 Timothy
100-150 Apocalypse of Peter
100-150 Secret Book of James
100-150 Preaching of Peter
100-160 Gospel of the Ebionites
100-160 Gospel of the Nazoreans
100-160 Shepherd of Hermas
100-160 2 Peter
3. Historical Jesus Studies, faithfutures.org/HJstudies.html,
– "an extensive and constantly expanding literature on historical research into the person and cultural context of Jesus of Nazareth"
4. Jesus Database, faithfutures.org/JDB/intro.html–"The JESUS DATABASE is an online annotated inventory of the traditions concerning the life and teachings of Jesus that have survived from the first three centuries of the Common Era. It includes both canonical and extra-canonical materials, and is not limited to the traditions found within the Christian New Testament."
5. Josephus on Jesus mtio.com/articles/bissar24.htm
6. The Jesus Seminar, mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/seminar.html#Criteria
7. Writing the New Testament- mystae.com/restricted/reflections/messiah/testament.html
8. Health and Healing in the Land of Israel By Joe Zias
9. Economics in First Century Palestine, K.C. Hanson and D. E. Oakman, Palestine in the Time of Jesus, Fortress Press, 1998.
Additional references provided as desired.
Opening NFL Sunday + Church Sunday + "Christian Famous & NFL Famous" = advertising $ from web hits on CNN (evil genius)
ok so basically blah blah "i found god" blah blah "i get paid to speak at conventions" blah blah money money money. pointless story, next.
Apparently your life has been so perfect and wonderful you don't need any inspirations – must be nice!
Don't confuse inspiration with delusion.
I too have had that phone call. May 2000 our family dr. called to tell us that during a routine exam for a cold, our 19 year old youngest son Ryan needed to see a specialist. Long story short, CML, bone marrow transplant, hope met, hope lost, RB ascended to our Father July 4, 2001. Empty. During his last hospital stay i read Kut's book "All Things Are Possible" as RB breathed on a respirator. After he went to Heaven, at a St Louis Cards game, it happened to be Christian Family Day. We heard Kurt and Brenda speak. Lots of ups and downs, but used love of friends to build handicapped accessible playground in RB's memory and donate $28,000 to Am Cancer Society. Still walking in faith, as Brenda and Kurt say, is the only way to deal with tragic phone calls.
Marilyn, did you post your comment on facebook as well? It sounds like a facebook post.
So, off the subject of Gods great plan for Brenda...isn't anyone troubled by the fact that this couple need to have so many children? I mean, doesn't anybody care about the planet anymore? Do you realize how many people will be on the planet in just 20 years? Do you think that there is enough space, food, water and air for all for ALL of them? Oh, I forgot, god has a plan...right.
Out of all of the couples on the planet, these are two that can actually afford 7 kids. There's more room on the planet than you think and if you're truly that concerned about food and water for everyone, maybe you can do the rest of us a favor and stop taking in both.
OMG! There are no words for your stupid post!
maybe you don't get out much, but if you did, you would see that the planet is basicaly empty. overpopluation is just another scare tactic myth.
(in the 1970's we were about to run out of coal and oil and global cooling was a huge problem)
chalie16, Jonsie, dr.kno, you are all idiots. So you think that because you see all those clean, open space on TV when you watch your travel shows, that they all need to be filled up with parasitic humans? What about fresh water? Are you all so stupid that you don't know the crisis that MOST countries are having with providing fresh water? Forget oil, there will be water wars in the VERY near future. Your ignorant christian gits are just wastes of skin, overpopulating the world with your idiocy.
Chalie16, I read this summer an article about how technology can allow us to provide for the basic needs of every person on the planet.. (the Canadian newspaper the National Post, July 24, 2012). It was an excerpt from a book, "Abundance." The point was that there is no lack of necessary resources, we only need to use them with greater efficiency.
It made sense.
This summer we lacked water in the Midwest. But there was an ocean of it just a few hundred miles away. Technology right now could make that available. Energy in coal and oil is available to a fairly limited number of people. But there is plenty for all and almost unlimited energy from the sun. Technology right now can make that available. And so on.
The problem is not lack of resources but the lack of will to make them available. The fact is, we just don't care as long as we have enough ourselves. That is not a resource problem or a population problem. It is a human and a moral problem. The Warners – and many others – are taking their resources and helping others. They are finding solutions. You, on the other hand, sound like you'd be happy if everyone else disappeared and left you with their water and food.
Why not become a solution rather than the problem.
Dr. Kno – to match your post for sheer stupidty I had to look at my local newspaper at a letttter to the editor which claimed that "It's impossible to waste water." THe reasoning behind this amazing statement is that water only changes forms – it never disapppears – thus rendering it "imposssible to waste."
Those of you that mock these tellers of Gods truth found in the bible and of the love of his son Jesus Christ our Saviour will pay the ultimate price. One of the cats peed on my head again when I was asleep, my hair smells bad. I will watch from above as you with Satan burn in the flames with your fat dripping and will laugh.
While I'm roasting in hell because I couldn't swallow such absurd claims about your baby jeeeeeesus will you have your cat pee on me for a bit of relief? You're too kind. Hey, give Jesus a big wet one for me.
Satan made me misspell my handle but the Lord my God has forgiven me and he will forgive you also if you let him nto your heart and read His truth, the bible. I still had some cat pee in my eye; the cats are now licking the slime off of my dil*do. There is no relief from satans flames and worms for those that mock the baby jesus, suffer for eternity devil worshiper. Amen.
Thank you HS, I can only hope to one day be a True Christian® like yourself. I will suffer in the flames with all the jews, atheists, muslims and non-True Christians®. Glory!
HeavenSent, your posts are crass and childish...and I laugh out loud (really) nearly every time I read one. Thank you.
Heaven Sent, If Jesus wept for those in Jerusalem who turned their backs on God, will he laugh when suffer hell? I can't imagine that. Can you?
Hey man, I know like a couple of dozen Jesus' and most of them don't hang with the jewish guys. let alone cry for some dudes they don't even like in the middle east. Whats's your point?
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