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September 8th, 2012
10:00 PM ET

From Kurt Warner’s wife to ‘Christian famous’

By Dan Merica, CNN

Washington (CNN) – In a stadium filled with 8,000 evangelical Christian women, one person near the stage stands out.

Sporting short salt-and-peppered hair, broad shoulders and a high-collared shirt, the man sits calmly as ballerinas flutter across the stage, women tell jokes about menopause and the event’s emcee announces that almost all the men’s rooms at the Verizon Center in downtown Washington have been converted to female restrooms for the night, provoking a round of applause.

For Kurt Warner, former quarterback for the St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals and two-time National Football League MVP, this is about as far away from the testosterone-driven world of the gridiron as you can get.

Onstage is the reason Warner’s here: Brenda Warner, her angular face and close-cropped blonde hair radiating in professional lighting, telling the audience about God’s plan for her life.

For years, Brenda was known as Kurt’s uber-supportive wife – a woman whose unflinchingly defense and championing of her superstar husband sometimes made news in it its own right.

Today, two years into Kurt’s retirement, those roles are changing.

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Brenda has become what some call "Christian famous" - a renowned evangelical speaker who tours the country with the likes of the 2012 Women of Faith tour, which will reach tens of thousands of Christian women with a message of hope and faith. As one of the tour’s headliners, Brenda will travel the country each weekend until November to tell her story – one of heartbreak, love and growth.

Through much of it, Kurt will be there with her, sitting in the audience as his wife does her thing before throngs of adoring fans.

“Brenda Warner is no longer Kurt Warner’s wife,” one awestruck woman says after listening to Brenda’s story at the Verizon Center. “Kurt Warner is now Brenda Warner’s husband.”

‘We need each other, we all have a story’

Brenda Warner’s story is a tear-jerker, whether or not you accept the God part.

When she was 18, she joined the Marine Corps, a job that took her from her hometown of Parkersburg, Iowa, to bases in Japan and in Virginia Beach, Virginia – where she would marry another Marine and give birth to a baby boy.

When Brenda begins to explain her life to the crowd in Washington, women applaud for the lines about joining the Marines and having baby Zachary.

Then the story takes a dark turn.

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While working one day in Virginia Beach, Brenda got a phone call that changed her life. Her husband had dropped Zachary on his head, an accident that would leave their toddler legally blind and developmentally disabled. Speaking in Washington, Brenda recounts the scene at the hospital.

“Zachary had a seizure – they worked around him trying to stop it,” she says. “I did all that I knew to do – I called out, ‘Jesus, Jesus, let this be the last seizure.’”

A hush has fallen over the stadium. Women wipe tears from their cheeks; one has pulled her pink T-shirt over her eyes.

She and her husband struggled to make things work with Zachary, Brenda continues. She got pregnant again, she tells the audience, but when she was a month from her due date her husband told her he had feelings for another woman. “I got out of bed, I called home and said mama come get me,” she says. “He doesn't love me, after all that we have been through.”

Brenda became a registered nurse, largely to learn how to better cope with Zachary’s condition. To make ends meet, she stood in line for food stamps and moved out of her parent’s basement and into low-income housing.

Then, another bombshell.

One night in 1996, Brenda’s sister called to report that their mother and father, who had retired to a cabin in Arkansas, had been killed in a tornado. Their house had been wiped off the map.

“They were always my soft place to fall,” Brenda tells the crowd.

At this point, the woman with her head in her T-shirt is a sobbing headless body. But as quickly as she has just dropped the mood, Brenda builds it up by telling the women that God brought her through it all.

“I married that football player,” she says, gesturing toward Kurt. “He adopted my two and we have five more.” Tears are giving way to applause.

Kurt and Brenda Warner first met when Kurt was playing college football at University of Northern Iowa.

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Near the end of the speech, Brenda brings Zachary out to say hello to the crowd.

“If you have ever felt like life has cheated you, stand up with me,” Brenda says. “If you have ever felt disappointed in life, stand with me. If you have ever received a call that changed your life forever, brought you to your knees and took your breath away, look around, we are all in this together, we need each other, we all have a story.”

Afterward, many women say they saw themselves in Brenda’s story.

“She is just a normal everyday mom raising a family just like everybody,” says Sena Hohman, her two daughters accompanying her to the event. “Hearing these stories, you find out she is just like me, with ups and downs in life, with peaks and valleys.

“To be able to see somebody has overcome” what she has, said Judy Gerlitz from Centerville, Virginia, “shows me that I can do it.”

Super Bowl champion, philanthropist

When she’s offstage, Brenda and Kurt often operate as a team in their faith-based work.

On the recent Friday morning before Brenda addresses the Women of Faith conference, the couple find themselves in a small, bland conference room in downtown Washington.

Kurt takes notes while Brenda’s eyes stay fixed on the architect who’s briefing them. The topic: plans for a multi-apartment home for developmentally disabled young adults that the Warners want to build in their hometown of Scottsdale, Arizona.

The project is inspired by Zachary, now a 23-year-old high school graduate.

“Zach has probably impacted more people than all of us combined because there is something unique and special and honest about these individuals that see it like it is and call it like they see it,” Kurt says.

Zachary lives in a group house in St. Louis. The Warners are modeling the group home they’re building in Arizona, called Treasure House, on the St. Louis Life concept for independent living for those with special needs.

At the meeting in Washington, Kurt is very much in control, with the architect and a consultant urge the Warners to use Kurt’s celebrity to help raise funds. “Leverage your history,” the consultant says, looking at Kurt and talking football.

Kurt’s story, like Brenda’s, includes some letdowns. After going unselected in the 1994 NFL draft as a quarterback out of University of Northern Iowa, Kurt became a Hy-Vee grocery store stock clerk to make money. While stocking shelves, he signed with the Iowa Barnstorms, an Arena Football League team in Des Moines, Iowa. With his big arm and accuracy, he became an AFL star.

After a short stint with NFL Europe, Kurt became the third -tring quarterback for the St. Louis Rams for the 1998 season. In 1999, after an injury to the Rams’ starting quarterback, he got his chance. Leading the Rams to a Super Bowl XXXIV victory, Kurt won both the league and Super Bowl MVP award that year.

Kurt Warner drops back to pass in Super Bowl XXXIV, a game his St. Louis Rams defeated the Tennessee Titans, 23-16.

Brenda was there through all of it, from AFL to NFL. She and Kurt met while Kurt was attending college in Cedar Falls, Iowa, at a country bar where she was taking line dancing classes. She worried he wouldn’t be able to handle the fact she was divorced with two kids.

When he showed up the morning after their first date and said he wanted to meet her kids, Brenda says, “I feel in love with him before he fell in love with me.”

When Kurt led the Rams to their 1999 Super Bowl victory, not only was Brenda there - she became part of the story.

Brenda was vocally defensive of her husband when he had a bad game, even calling into radio stations to criticize the Rams coaching staff. That zeal and her on-camera postgame kisses for the star quarterback had some fans calling her the Yoko Ono of football.

Throughout his 12-year NFL career, Kurt was known for both his skill and overt faith. “Well, first things first,” Warner told a reporter after his first Super Bowl victory. “I've got to thank my Lord and Savior up above — thank you, Jesus!”

The interview provided a name for Kurt’s foundation, First Things First, which is “dedicated to impacting lives by promoting Christian values, sharing experiences and providing opportunities.” The group raises money, taking advantage of Kurt’s NFL connections, and organizes events for ill and developmentally disabled children.

Today, Kurt spends much of his time on such work. It’s why he’s talking building schematics instead of defensive schemes.

“My retirement isn’t quite like what people think about with retirement,” Warner says. “I am very busy and have a lot of things that I am active in. It is not a complete 180 from being gone every day to being home every day.”

But talking about civil engineering in a drab hotel conference room is a long way from the National Football League. The common thread: Brenda and their religious faith.

Bonded by faith

Kurt says he had wanted Brenda to pursue her speaking career for years. But while he rose to superstardom, Brenda was a stay-at-home mom.

Now that Kurt is home more, he says, Brenda is free to pursue her dreams.

“What we have realized is there are seasons in all of our lives and dreams take sacrifices but they become family things,” Kurt says. “Dreams are family dreams.”

Brenda and Kurt now work closely together planning the couple's newest philanthropic venture – Treasure House.

Armed with her story and the star power that comes with her last name, Brenda has carved her own path on the Christian speaking circuit. Asked about the Warners at the Verizon Center’s Women of Faith event, only a few of the attendees know about her famous husband.

The tour is marketed to evangelical women to “celebrate what matters,” and also features appearances by female evangelical authors and media personalities. The tour is like a conference, with sessions on different challenges women face.

Kurt and Brenda see their changing professional seasons as part of God’s plan for them. “I don’t think that is the way that I would have written it, but I see that God has worked it out for good,” Brenda says. “I can see how he has been faithful. I can say now I am grateful.”

Telling her story has become second nature for Brenda. She has become expert in pitching God as the cure to heartache.

“He called me by name, he loves me and he won’t leave me,” Brenda repeats in her speech. “God was true to his word that he wouldn’t leave me.”

And neither, it seems, will Kurt.

- Dan Merica

Filed under: Belief • Christianity • Faith Now • Sports

soundoff (1,652 Responses)
  1. Truth

    “If you have ever felt like life has cheated you, stand up with me,” Brenda says. “If you have ever felt disappointed in life, stand with me."

    If you go back 10 generations (250 years) the chance of you being born at all is at most 1 divided by 6 x 10100 or 1 in 6000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.

    Life is such a cheater, so disappointing...right? Yeah, it's hard when you aren't born with a silver spo.on in your mouth. Problem is there are plenty in the world who wish to have even a wooden spo.on in their mouths, and others with silver spo.ons wishing for golden ones. No matter what you experience in life, whether it's having a child get injured or killed or major health problems or anything, you are already a winner and nothing can take that away if you fully understand it. "It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you, not by angels or by demons, heaven or heII."

    September 10, 2012 at 2:16 pm |
    • tuvia suks

      Hey Truth. Kudos! Don't need a god to be all you can.

      September 11, 2012 at 10:07 am |
  2. Love Rhino

    I bet she's a screamer

    September 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • God makes retards

      What about anal?

      September 10, 2012 at 1:36 pm |
    • Big Ben Dover

      @ God Loves Retards:

      Anal? Sure! Bend over – I'll have ya' crying out for god, even if you are a non-believer!

      September 10, 2012 at 7:37 pm |
  3. tuvia

    ****

    B"H
    JERUSALEM: ISRAEL

    September 10, 2012 at 12:56 pm |
  4. Honey Badger Dont Care

    So in summary, her life sucks so bad that she needs an imaginary friend to talk to/blame everything on/hope to meet some day.

    September 10, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
  5. Purnelll Meagre

    If Newt Gingrich, Mittt ROmney and John McCain were left in a rooom with together witha lll of their respective wives, I'd say there's a good chance they wouldn't be able to figure out who belonged to whom without name tags.

    September 10, 2012 at 11:37 am |
  6. nottolate

    “Brenda Warner is no longer Kurt Warner’s wife,” one awestruck woman says after listening to Brenda’s story at the Verizon Center. “Kurt Warner is now Brenda Warner’s husband.”

    Not exactly the mind of the authentic Christian is it?

    September 10, 2012 at 11:26 am |
    • OY

      nottol does not exactly have the mind of an authentic rational being.

      September 10, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      At the end of the day, he is still the boss of her.

      September 10, 2012 at 2:17 pm |
  7. johnwms

    why not keep these about people that lift up others, do good things, give away lots of money. And stand for something most
    of us believe in to be true. Why give all this space to all this petty blah blahs when there are much more to to discuss? There kids, mom's, families that need the kind of assistance the Warner's provide. Let's keep the focus there, huh ....

    September 10, 2012 at 11:23 am |
  8. m

    Tammy Faye II....scams

    September 10, 2012 at 11:23 am |
  9. PumpNDump

    The sheer stupidity and ignorance of evangelicals can never be underestimated.

    Let me help the foolish evangelicals:
    1. The earth is approximately 4.5 BILLION YEARS OLD. Radiometric dating proves this.
    2. "god" and "jesus" are no more relevant than the Greek or Roman Gods and are just as real/true.
    3. The whole parting of the red sea, noahs ark, adam/eve, rising from the dead, walking on water, just like "miracles", are all myths. Just an FYI.
    4. There is absolutely no legitimate, academically accepted peer reviewed proof that "jesus" ever existed. None whatsoever.
    5. Evolution is a scientific fact. Get over it. Our ancestors are over 6 Million years old.
    6. How can anyone "hate" a myth? It's like me proclaiming I hate "Batman". Batman is just as real as "jesus".
    7. http://godisimaginary.com/
    8. The bible was written by men to control/manipulate and profit from man. It's that simple.
    9. Roe vs. Wade is the law of land.
    I don't care what myths or fables you believe in provided you keep them to yourself and don't inflict them on others. Keep them out of public schools, science/math, public policy, foreign policy, law and jurisprudence. If you want to raise your children to flip burgers, dig ditches and believe in myths, bully for you. We don't care as long as you don't inflict them on others.

    From Seneca, a Roman senator:

    "Religion is regarded by the Common People as true, by the Wise as false, and by the Powerful as useful"]

    From Epicurus:

    "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?Then he is not omnipotent.Is he able, but not willing?Then he is malevolent.If he is both able and willing?Then whence comes evil?If he is neither able, nor willingThen why call him God?"

    September 10, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • just me

      You are on a faith blog. Sorry if a non faith blog does not exist for you....

      September 10, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • PumpNDump

      "just me" you are a sad, pathetic, ignorant person. Now run along. Don't you have a planned parenthood clinic to protest at and firebomb in the name of your "god". Lol

      September 10, 2012 at 12:14 pm |
    • Byrd

      Sorry, but it is just you: This is a belief blog, so if you can't handle the level of conversation I highly suggest you either tune into FOX or go back to listening to some self-anointed preacher who'll interpret the words "faith" and "belief" in terms you might understand. Maybe CNN will increase the font size of the banner even more, if that will help.

      September 10, 2012 at 12:16 pm |
  10. Carrie

    It's clear God helped carried her through the traumas. God is love and cares for us. All we have to do is turn to Him with an honest heart. It's not "religion". It's a relationship. Thank you Warners.

    September 10, 2012 at 11:22 am |
    • PumpNDump

      You can have the same "relationship" with the bag that holds your groceries at the supermarket, and it's just as real and valid. Facepalm. Lol

      September 10, 2012 at 11:23 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      God is not love.
      God is jealousy. It says so right in the 1st commandment.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:45 am |
    • sybaris

      "It's not a religion, it's a relationship" is just another new mantra by the sheeple to escape the growing negativity being attributed to organized religion.

      My sister lives 800 miles away
      Yet I know:
      Her eye color
      What she likes to eat
      Her husband's name
      What car she drives
      Things that make her happy
      Things that make her sad
      Where she will be vacationing this year
      What she got for her birthday
      Her favorite restaurant
      Her cats name
      When she was born
      When she got married
      Her child's name
      When she graduated college
      When she broke her left leg
      When I will see her next
      When she will call me
      Etc., etc.

      THAT is a relationship

      If you say "it's beyond human definition" you're just being dishonest.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Why

      Why must a supposed loving God torture and make people suffer to then be there for them in the heartache. If there were a loving God perhaps he could make things far better by not torturing, killing and other evil acts.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • willy

      @why: why do you attribute evil acts to God? If God got rid of this annoying free choice thing then there would be no evil but for some reason he keeps it in place.

      September 10, 2012 at 12:31 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      sybaris:

      My God inhabits all things and I know:

      He sees me always
      He invites me to His banquet
      The names of those He loves
      How He came to be
      Things that bring Him joy
      Things that cause Him sadness
      How He spent His time on earth
      What He got for His birthday *(and for Easter)
      Who He ate His last supper with
      When He was born
      Who He is married to
      What His purpose is
      How He was broken
      When I will see Him next
      What He calls me toward

      etc etc.

      It is a relationship by your definition

      September 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • Jesus freaker

      I had a relationship with Jesus until the day I realized I was talking to myself.

      September 10, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
    • sybaris

      @ Bill Deacon

      You are missing the most obvious difference.....................you have no evidence to support your claim.

      September 10, 2012 at 3:32 pm |
  11. Art

    If you do not like what Ms.Warner why don't you go elsewhere. I believe in God..If you don't that's your businness.

    September 10, 2012 at 11:20 am |
    • MIchele

      ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! It is MY business, so why do small-government conservatives want to put their noses into it? Why are Republicans trying to make this a "Christian" nation? (An idea that the founders warned against explicitly) Isn't that what you all claim to hate about Islam? How is a Christian nation different from an Islamic Republic? You want to make ALL of us kowtow to your imaginary friend in the sky and live by rules YOU proclaim are justified by the "Bible". Take your religion, fold it four ways, and store it where the sun never shines.......those of us capable of critical thinking want nothing to do with it. Christians have become the American Taliban.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • willy

      The Christian Taliban? You've never lived anywhere else but here have you? Maybe Canada.

      September 10, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
  12. Stephanie

    In my humble opinion, religion is a man made explanation of a world not completely understood. I personally believe in God, a non gender being who in great wisdom (and with a hell of a sense of humor) placed the universe where She did, allowing life to grow as it would with a touch of her gentle hand nudging and creating the divine life forms that came to be. I believe the universe follows a holy rule of mathematics with a twist. As humans, we will never figure it all out. No one has God down pat-we all return to Him whether we like it or not. Humans have this driving need to make sense of things. Explain everything and find a reason for everything. We should instead, accept the knowledge that not everything is meant to be understood, but in searching for answers, we find growth.

    God does not care if we believe in Him/Her or not. God has nothing to lose or win. God will answer if called upon, but will never force Herself on us. We insist on bogging ourselves down with symantics, stories and the window dressings called "religion" instead of focusing on what is really important-family, life (human or not), and each other.

    September 10, 2012 at 11:06 am |
    • Linda

      Stephanie, with your permission I'd like to copy your comment & save it to read everyday! You have put into words what I've spent many, many years reasoning out & I thank you for your insight.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:24 am |
    • snowboarder

      it sounds like you made that up out of whole cloth. what would be the reason to believe any of it?

      September 10, 2012 at 11:29 am |
    • PumpNDump

      Stephanie, Evolution is a scientific fact. How do you square that against the myth you call "god" or "god"? What makes your "god" more relevant or real than the Greek Gods, Roman Gods, Egyptian Gods, American Indian Gods, The Hindu Gods, Mithrasian faiths, Druidism, etc?

      September 10, 2012 at 11:31 am |
    • Nope!

      Some people mean well, but they are sincerely WRONG

      September 10, 2012 at 8:12 pm |
  13. Reality

    Dear Kurt and Brenda,

    As per your request for added details:

    AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD
    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As does Biden and Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
    Some added references to "tink-erbells".

    newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

    "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
    Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

    "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

    And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

    "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

    "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

    "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

    For added information see the review at:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

    September 10, 2012 at 10:56 am |
    • Stephanie

      Wow, you have really done the homework!! Again, here is how the peoples of those times explained how their world worked. Their limited knowledge of a world/universe they didn't really understand helped them create the answers they needed to have because of our need to "know" how the world works, the reason we are here, the "rules" of nature. God knows us intimately and has no issues with our creating the answers that help us explain our environment, but I think God expects us to each allow every person to respect anothers belief whether its in gods and angels and demons or no belief whatsoever in a deity. The trick is allowing others to believe as they will and respecting those differences. Violence in religion is the reaction of people who seek to control others through those beliefs or who insist that others believe as they do.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:16 am |
  14. Neil

    I am a Cardinals fan and I miss Warner every game since he retired. But this is so much bigger than the NFL so its good to see!!! Keep it up Warners!!

    September 10, 2012 at 10:54 am |
    • Ting

      But this is so much bigger than the NFL

      I don't know about that. God has been proven to love football.

      September 10, 2012 at 2:27 pm |
  15. That's What's Up

    Every christian I know says you will absolutely go to hell if you ever get a divorce. So why is this woman wasting all of her time?

    September 10, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • chieftrainer

      Apparently you don't know any Christians then. A true Christian believes that the only way to go to hell is to die not believing that Jesus is your lord and savior.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:41 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Epic True Scottsman Fallacy Fail.

      So, among those that are not 'true' xtians: 1 billion+ Catholics.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • chieftrainer

      To facepalm: This is not the True Scottsman fallacy. That involves the mindset of the "because I said so" type of thinking. The 'true Christian' definition for me comes from the bible and I am only relating what it says. If you don't believe the bible, of course you would say that what I say is a fallacy. However, I can't help it if you want to ignore the basis of my statement in order to believe that you have refuted mine.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • willy

      Those Christians need to find out from the bible what sends you to hell. It isn't sin. It is a lack of salvation. Complicated but true.

      September 10, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  16. biglio

    They are good people, no doubt about it. But I'm conflicted about wearing your faith so openly, I'm European and we had centuries, if not millenia, of wars due to religion so we know what militant faith leads too.
    I have the utmost respect for them but also am very wary about keeping faith and politics separated because that breeds intolerance to other people's beliefs (and I would like to know their position on other faiths) and ultimately to conflict. That is what we are witnessing in the US right now, the most "christian" nation by far of the OECD ones and the one that treats their poor and downtrodden the worst, the level of poverty and degradation existing in the US is nowhere to be seen in other civilized countries. I just hope the Warners are not part of the intolerants and bigots and really follow the teachings of Jesus as they were intended....if that is the case then good luck to them.

    September 10, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • John

      If we would only follow what our founding father's intended and laid out so carefully for us then the US would be Utopia. Christianity in this country is constantly trying to drag us back to the dark ages and fights against any progress that threatens their world view and delusions....kind of like the Taliban.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:47 am |
    • JDJ

      John,

      While we will never have utopia prior to the end of the world, we would have a much better America if we followed the Founding Fathers' example. The firm reliance of many of these patriots on the Gospel is an example to us all. The Founding Fathers had wisdom though to say that Congress could not establish a state religion. As you know, this was grounded in their recent history since England did (and still does) have a state religion and the Pilgrims came to America for religious freedom.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:04 am |
    • just me

      This story is about a "Christian Womens Conference" no politics involved. What conference did you think they were speaking about? This is "belief" blog. Where would people like for us to speak of our faith? Not in public, not in church, not at a christian conference.... talk about intolerance

      September 10, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
  17. john

    I find it very curious that the "atheists" who complain that they don't want others religions crammed down their throats come onto a blog that is Christian in nature and then proceed to cram their beliefs down everyone's throats. If you truly don't care about God and religion then why are you even commenting here? It doesn't matter....it's irrelevant...Right?
    By commenting you're only showing your ignorance and hypocrisy at the same time and making yourself look very uneducated and foolish.

    September 10, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • God makes retards

      Uneducated and foolish is believing that the myths perpetuated by religions are truths. When religious people try to dictate social policy based on archaic ways of thinking, then it is problem and religious stupidity needs to be pointed out. If religion is so steeped in "love" why is it the religious sects of society are the ones who are the most intolerant and try the hardest to deny the rights of others?

      September 10, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • BRC

      Actually the blod is BELIEF based, not Christian based (it very clearly says so and commonly features stories on various beliefs). Athiests believe there are no gods, so they have as much reason to come here and comment as anyone. Gotta love the free exchange of ideas.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • sam stone

      John: We DO care about religion. We are wary of those who want to condify their religious beliefs into law

      September 10, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • Brian Mouland

      Seems every Atheist likes to preach on these comments forums. Two of my best friends are real atheists who offer little or no opinions on religion because they have no belief in the concept. They are the real atheists not the attention seeking fakes you see on most forums.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:38 am |
    • Matt

      Well said, John.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:41 am |
    • Matt

      I really don't believe people, the Warner's especially, are trying to use organized religion as a means to dictate policy. I think they are simply using it as a conduit to attain something good and meaningful, something that has impacted their lives' directly. Really, keep the hate out of these threads unless you have something constructive to offer. And using the term retard as an pejorative in any approach is highly offensive!

      September 10, 2012 at 10:44 am |
    • Read biglio

      @John
      If you understand the excellant post by biglio you will be half way to seeing why any of the gods shoud not have an influence over how a country is run. Keep your religion in your churches and temples, out of schools, others rights (a womans right to choose) and politics and no one will care. Typical tunnel vision of a christian, belief is not restricted to one faith, there is a whole big world that you live in. Belief in Iraq or Afghanistan is far differnt and far more dangerous than belief by some christian cult in Utah. Of course religion is relevant to everyone, we can not let some crazy belief in god lead us back into the attrocities of the past; that is the christian hypocracy of denying their own past and covering up their sins and their lust for wealth and power.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • sybaris

      Well John when you have a President who uses his military to invade a country and murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians because he believes his god told him it was the right thing to do then religion becomes everybody's business.

      After all, don't you think religion became an issue for you after followers of another religion believed it was the right thing to do when they flew some planes into buildings?

      September 10, 2012 at 11:03 am |
    • PRISM 1234

      G.M. Retard,
      Some of the MOST RETARDED COMENTS and views displayed on these blogs come from characters who label Christians as retards! ANYONE with unbiased agenda will see and acknowledge this!

      September 10, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • God makes retards

      God creates retarted children, children with abnormalities and defects, does God not do this?

      September 10, 2012 at 12:07 pm |
    • PRISM 1234

      For a season of time God allows suffering. The creation is under the curse, so all are subjected to it. But it will not last forever. The Word of God has all the answers we need, if you care to know.

      September 10, 2012 at 1:05 pm |
    • Bill Deacon

      God makes retards who are sometimes indistinguishable from college professors

      September 10, 2012 at 1:23 pm |
    • God makes retards

      So in other words PRISM, "no good reason, or you have no fvcking clue". Your God is a joke.

      September 10, 2012 at 1:30 pm |
    • OY

      PRISM adores and worships a sadistic monster... that tells us a lot about PRISM - **shudder**.

      September 10, 2012 at 1:41 pm |
  18. tuvia suks

    @ Topher. You really have nothing to bring to a discussion. You don't answer questions directly. You evade and dodge. You ask questions to a question, hoping it diverts. You use strawman tactics. In short, you bring nothing of intelligence to these discussions. Time and again you get trounced, yet you persist. You are one of the most obtuse and densest person going. Only HeavenSent beats you out. You are a close second.

    September 10, 2012 at 10:14 am |
    • Topher

      What question have I evaded or dodged? Perhaps it was something I just didn't know the answer to.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:23 am |
    • *facepalm*

      Topher is either a very dedicated Poe or a clueless troll – either way, simply ignore or move on.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • Topher

      Nothing? Typical. One more atheist with no other defense than to call names and run away.

      September 10, 2012 at 10:36 am |
  19. Jack M.

    "Whether or not you accept the God part?" Really?? Her entire story is about the "God Part!"

    September 10, 2012 at 10:09 am |
  20. Byrd

    Evangelists are the lowest form of human life, presuming as they do that this god they purport to worship is so unskilled in his use of language as to require an interpreter for those unable to grasp his meaning and intent. Maybe they'd all be better off finding themselves another god, or just dropping the fantasy altogether.

    September 10, 2012 at 10:04 am |
    • Brian Mouland

      Okay you are an atheist, I get it now go away!

      September 10, 2012 at 10:40 am |
    • Byrd

      OK, you're a christian. Go hang yourself on a cross.

      September 10, 2012 at 11:39 am |
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