home
RSS
September 12th, 2012
06:55 AM ET

Belief Blog's Morning Speed Read for Wednesday, September 12

By Arielle Hawkins, CNN

Here's the Belief Blog’s morning rundown of the top faith-angle stories from around the United States and around the world. Click the headlines for the full stories.

From the Blog:

CNN: Mom wants Muslim son’s name moved to be among first responders at 9/11 memorial
You won’t find Mohammed Hamdani among the names of the first responders that are etched in a wall at the 9/11 memorial in New York. But on the day of the 9/11 attacks, the 23-year-old certified EMT and onetime NYPD police cadet skipped his job at a university research lab to rush to the World Trade Center. Not long after, his family posted Hamdani’s picture on a wall of the missing. Six months later, his remains were found – in 34 parts.

Tweet of the Day:

Belief on TV:

Enlightening Reads:

Wall Street Journal: U.S. Missions Stormed in Libya, Egypt
Demonstrators attacked a U.S. consulate in Libya, killing one American, and breached the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, amid angry protests over a film by a U.S. producer that mocks and insults the Prophet Muhammad. The movie, "Innocence of Muslims," was directed and produced by an Israeli-American real-estate developer who characterized it as a political effort to call attention to the hypocrisies of Islam. It has been promoted by Terry Jones, the Florida pastor whose burning of Qurans previously sparked deadly riots around the world.

Catholic News Agency: Franciscan University defends deviance course against critics
A Franciscan University of Steubenville course description that lists homosexuality as deviant behavior has drawn critical attention from the only social work accreditation council in the U.S. Franciscan University said its “Deviant Behavior” social work class – which takes its description from a standard public university textbook – is intended to “help students learn how to better serve and assist future clients.”

AFP: Exorcism boom in Poland sees magazine launch
With exorcism booming in Poland, Roman Catholic priests have joined forces with a publisher to launch what they claim is the world's first monthly magazine focused exclusively on chasing out the devil.

The Jerusalem Post: Israeli envoy slams ‘anti-Israel’ US academic award
Israeli Ambassador to Germany Yakov Hadas-Handelsman ratcheted up on Monday Jerusalem’s criticism of the city of Frankfurt for its decision to grant an award to a US academic who has called for a boycott of the Jewish state. The Theodor Adorno Prize and its cash grant of 50,000 euros was given on Tuesday to Judith Butler, a gender studies theorist at the University of California at Berkeley.

Religion News Service: Pope Benedict XVI prepares to embark on high-risk trip to Lebanon
Pope Benedict XVI embarks Friday (Sept. 14) on a high-risk trip to Lebanon, as the country's stability is threatened by spillover from the conflict in neighboring Syria. The three-day visit is also the pope's first foray into the Middle East after the Arab Spring, giving him the opportunity to reassure the region's Christian minorities who fear the recent rise to power of Islamist leaders in the region.

Opinion of the Day:

CNN: Opinion: American Muslims live in fear 11 years after 9/11
Sumbul Ali-Karamali, author of The Muslim Next Door: the Qur’an, the Media, and that Veil Thing, and Growing up Muslim: Understanding the Beliefs and Practices of Islam, says “the reason Americans were so quick to believe the worst about Muslims after the horrific attacks of 9/11 was that Americans knew little about even the most basic tenets of Islam.”

Join the conversation…

CNN: Atheists continue battle against World Trade Center cross at memorial
Eleven years after the World Trade Center attack, the billion dollar memorial and museum dedicated to the victims of 9/11 is just half that – a memorial without an operating museum. And though a dispute between New York City’s mayor and New York’s governor is responsible for delaying the opening, a separate legal battle is aimed at blocking one museum exhibit in particular: a large cross made of one of the twin tower’s T-beams that became a national symbol in the days after the 2001 attacks.

- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Uncategorized

soundoff (124 Responses)
  1. turban

    quran is a copy of jewish bible

    September 16, 2012 at 7:32 am |
  2. mikey

    "Somebody told me that there's no such thing as truth, I said if that's the case then why should I believe you?"

    September 14, 2012 at 9:49 am |
  3. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things
    Proven

    September 13, 2012 at 4:43 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      You betcha. Those embassy killers prayed at least 5 times a day while planning and executing this attack. They most probably prayed as they shot each RPG.

      September 13, 2012 at 4:52 am |
    • truth be told

      You lose your bet and your life if you think Muslims pray to God.

      September 13, 2012 at 4:55 am |
    • A Frayed Knot

      What makes you think that you pray to "God"?

      September 13, 2012 at 4:57 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 13, 2012 at 10:28 am |
  4. Iqbal Khan

    Washington's Double-take at the Non-Aligned Movement Revival

    By Thierry Meyssan

    Ayatollah Ali Khamenei publicly gave advice to the United states: free yourself of Israeli influence, defend your own interests and cease discrediting yourself by your support for Israeli crimes. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32426.htm

    September 12, 2012 at 9:23 pm |
  5. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    September 12, 2012 at 7:35 pm |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 12, 2012 at 9:12 pm |
  6. Robert Brown

    BRC,
    There were and may still be other gods. We believe there were other gods from the accounts in the bible. Take Exodus for example, the pharaohs magicians were able to duplicate several of the wonders and plagues God did, up to a point. This seems to indicate that they had some power, just not as much as God. It would make sense that their power came from satan. He has power just not equivalent to God’s. So, the other gods are really just the deception of the devil.

    September 12, 2012 at 12:28 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "It would make sense that their power came from satan. He has power just not equivalent to God’s. So, the other gods are really just the deception of the devil."

      Please try to support any of this biblically. Basically, you can't explain it, so you just make stuff up so that it aligns nicely with your mythology. Sad, really.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:39 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      No gods, no devils.
      Time to join the 21st Century.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:42 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      facepalm*,
      Have you ever read Exodus? Admittedly, where they received their power is opinion, but what God did, compared to what they were able to duplicate, is recorded in the book.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      "Admittedly, where they received their power is opinion"

      Which is precise what I asked you to back up. You make claims without any basis. That's not even an opinion, it's just a blind guess.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:54 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      facepalm*,
      Opinion or as sumption, yes, blind guess, no. If you take the bible as a whole it is logical.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:17 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Taking the bible as a whole and logic don't make sense together unless you walk away without faith.

      And 'taking it as a whole' is such a cop-out. You can't back up your "opinions" They are entirely baseless, you know this, you can't defend them, so you just respond with a pathetically lame excuse. Try a little harder, please.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:43 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      facepalm*,
      Actually, I could do the research, quote a lot of scripture and explain it to you as best I could and yet you would still complain, so I will save myself a lot of effort and frustration and just skip that step. If you are genuinely interested, go to your favorite bible website and search satan, devil, demon, evil, serpent, dragon, false gods, idols, and so on and you will get the idea. Otherwise, have a nice day.

      September 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm |
    • Answer

      What Robert wants everyone to do is "accept my stupidity for the truth".

      September 12, 2012 at 2:50 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Robert, I'm not going to defend your baseless comments for you.

      Fail.

      September 12, 2012 at 3:20 pm |
    • fred

      Robert Brown
      You are suggesting other gods which would suggest that the Hebrew God cannot be God as revealed in the Bible. When you say "we believe" are you LDS ?

      September 12, 2012 at 3:27 pm |
    • fred

      Answer
      You have demonstrated that you are a fundamentalist (of the materialist kind) meaning you cannot comprehend the spiritual or that which is known to exist outside of physical matter. Thus, it is not a matter of being stupid as you suggest on Roberts part rather an issue of ignorance on your part.

      September 12, 2012 at 3:31 pm |
    • Robert Brown

      facepalm*,
      Thanks, that saves us both a lot of grief.

      Fred,
      Not lds, just ordinary everyday Christian. I will take the we back and say I if you like.

      September 12, 2012 at 4:21 pm |
    • fred

      Robert Brown
      Given that Mosses snake swallowed up the others I would agree the Egyptian gods were no match for the real God.

      September 12, 2012 at 5:32 pm |
  7. therealpeace2all

    From today's belief blog morning speed read Wednesday, September 12th, 2012:

    " ***AFP: Exorcism boom in Poland sees magazine launch***
    With exorcism booming in Poland, Roman Catholic priests have joined forces with a publisher to launch what they claim is the world's first monthly magazine focused exclusively on chasing out the devil."

    Can't wait to see the new magazine... should be a hoot. Very sad... but a hoot, nonetheless.

    Peace...

    September 12, 2012 at 11:49 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Look in the adds. It's probably an add space for little boys.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:03 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Will there be centerfolds of little girls covered in pea soup vomit with their heads on backwards?

      September 12, 2012 at 12:23 pm |
  8. myweightinwords

    @Topher,

    Morning. Hope you are well.

    To BRC you said, I don't think there are other gods. Just the God of the Bible. And especially if you are specifically talking about the gods of other known religions. They can't all exist because they contradict each other. Either one is real or none are real, but they can't all be.

    In actuality, I don't think it's true that all the gods contradict one another. For centuries each culture had it's own gods, and many of those cultures got along very well...so well in fact that they adopted other gods, or realized that "hey, this god of ours is an awful lot like this god of yours...they must be the same god" (obviously paraphrased, LOL). One need only look at the Greco-Roman pantheons to see this.

    It isn't until monotheistic religions began to rise, as the amalgamation of gods in a region spawned all powerful, all knowing deity that exclusion began to happen. Zeus, as it happens, had no need to declare that Jupiter didn't exist.

    Even in the earliest days of the faith that came to be the Jewish faith, those who believed in YHWH didn't have a problem believing that other gods existed. It says so in your own bible, in the words attributed to your own god. He was the one that told his people that they should not have any other gods before him. Doesn't even demand that they worship only him, just that he comes first.

    September 12, 2012 at 11:42 am |
    • Topher

      myweightinwords

      I am well, thank you. Hope you are also.

      "In actuality, I don't think it's true that all the gods contradict one another. ..."

      Well, if Jesus Christ (and the Bible) are true, the other religions' gods can't be. For instance, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." That's exclusivistic.

      In Islam, they believe Jesus existed, but that he was just a prophet ... not God. So which is it? If Islam is correct, the Bible is wrong, and vice versa.

      Or take Mormonism, which has someone named Jesus, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. They can't both be right.

      "Even in the earliest days of the faith that came to be the Jewish faith, those who believed in YHWH didn't have a problem believing that other gods existed."

      You seem to have a presupposition that the Bible isn't true. Correct me if I'm wrong. But you have to understand that God was interacting with Adam and Eve, the first people, so that faith was there from Day 6 (when man was made) and so was not later developed.

      "It says so in your own bible, in the words attributed to your own god. He was the one that told his people that they should not have any other gods before him. Doesn't even demand that they worship only him, just that he comes first."

      This was asked by someone else, and since you've also asked, I'll answer you both here. Yes, God does say to have no other gods before Him. But that doesn't only mean other gods. A "god" can mean anything you put before Him. Say, for instance, you don't go to church on Sundays because you'd rather watch the 8-hour pre-game shows. Football is your god. Or maybe you don't read your Bible every day because you have only one free hour and you'd rather watch a game show. Television is your god.

      There are plenty of verses that state the there is only one God. For instance, John 17:3 ... "And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." 1 Timothy 2:5 ... "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

      September 12, 2012 at 12:33 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Topher,

      Why is your god such an insecure narcissist that even people worship other, non-existent deities, you god commands you to kill them?

      September 12, 2012 at 12:37 pm |
    • myweightinwords

      @Topher,

      I am well, thank you. Hope you are also.

      Aside from the aches and pains of 44 years of living life, I'm doing well. Life is sweet and I am blessed with amazing gifts.

      Well, if Jesus Christ (and the Bible) are true, the other religions' gods can't be. For instance, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." That's exclusivistic.

      That's a pretty big assumption to start a conversation on.

      In Islam, they believe Jesus existed, but that he was just a prophet ... not God. So which is it? If Islam is correct, the Bible is wrong, and vice versa.

      That depends on many things, including an interpretation of the bible. I know a small group of Christians and Muslims who are working on a pretty in depth study of the two religions, the Quran and the Bible. They've only been at it since January, but so far I'm intrigued by the things they're saying.

      Or take Mormonism, which has someone named Jesus, but that's pretty much where the similarities end. They can't both be right.

      You seem to be very focused on the Abrahamic religions. You do realize that there are many, many more religions in this world, don't you?

      You seem to have a presupposition that the Bible isn't true. Correct me if I'm wrong.

      I guess that's going to depend on your definition of "true". Do I believe that it's 100% absolutely historical word for word? No. I don't.

      But you have to understand that God was interacting with Adam and Eve, the first people, so that faith was there from Day 6 (when man was made) and so was not later developed.

      That would fall into one of those bits that I don't think actually happened. It's a myth, a story told to explain where the world came from and why bad things happen to people. Every culture has at least one, every religion tells a story about how we were made.

      This was asked by someone else, and since you've also asked, I'll answer you both here.

      I wasn't actually asking anything. I was making a statement...but okay...

      Yes, God does say to have no other gods before Him. But that doesn't only mean other gods. A "god" can mean anything you put before Him.

      Kind of a cop out, don't you think? The specific words are "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of bondage. You shall have no other gods before me." and given in the place it is said within the myth of the Hebrew people it is fairly clear that it is a call to clarify his place among the multitude of other gods that the people worshipped in and around the land where the Hebrews were settling.

      Say, for instance, you don't go to church on Sundays because you'd rather watch the 8-hour pre-game shows. Football is your god. Or maybe you don't read your Bible every day because you have only one free hour and you'd rather watch a game show. Television is your god.

      Wow. That really kind of diminishes who/what you think your god is, doesn't it? An hour out of a day is spent trying to de-stress and unwind? And THAT makes television your god? What about the ten hours spent working or the two spent commuting, the 2.5 spent cooking/eating, 1 spent working out, helping the kids with homework, cleaning the house, making love to your spouse...and maybe, if you're very lucky, getting 5 hours of sleep? Are those all gods too? No wonder your god feels a need to put his foot down and demand he comes first.

      Clearly your god is 1) childish, 2) needy, 3) unrealistic in his demands, 4) is more than a little insecure about this "other god" thing.

      There are plenty of verses that state the there is only one God. For instance, John 17:3 ... "And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." 1 Timothy 2:5 ... "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

      So...just because some book, that we've already established isn't something exactly filled with historical accuracy, said something, I should just...believe it to be true? Even when my personal experience has proven it to be false?

      My Gods have no need to be anyone's "one and only"...they have no need to deny the existence of others. Sure, they can be demanding in their own way, but they aren't exclusionary. That was the point I was making. Maybe I was being too coy about it. I apologize for not speaking more clearly.

      September 13, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Topher

      myweightinwords

      No worries. So which religion are you, if you don't mind me asking.

      September 13, 2012 at 11:38 am |
    • myweightinwords

      @Topher,

      I'm not a real fan of labels, truth be told. I fall under the very general religious umbrella of "Pagan", but much like the very general religious umbrella "Christian" that is really just a basic description. What I believe is far more complex.

      September 13, 2012 at 1:35 pm |
  9. Doc Vestibule

    Fun with Catholic Priests.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/father-angel-armando-perez-chasing-boy_n_1784538.html

    The priest has been given an open ended load from The Archdiocese of Portland to hire the best criminal lawyer money can buy. Just a few years ago, the self-same archdiocese went bankrupt after settling a whole slew of child abuse claims.

    September 12, 2012 at 11:36 am |
    • realbuckyball

      This article does not talk about the loan, but there are many that do. Google it.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:58 am |
  10. There Needs to Be a Response

    from the story:

    "Hamdani’s picture on a wall of the missing. Six months later, his remains were found – in 34 parts."

    Stick them in the downstairs "museum" so people can pay a quarter to see 'em (along with many of the others...)

    What a goddam disgusting idea. Putting human remains in a museum. I want to retch.

    F'n New York making a mockery of a tragedy.

    September 12, 2012 at 11:28 am |
    • Juan Tanamo

      A lot of museums have human remains.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:27 pm |
    • Chuckles

      Ever seen Lenin or Ho Chi Minh? or even body worlds? As gross as it might be, on some level it's fascinating, but that's just opinion.

      September 12, 2012 at 3:26 pm |
  11. BRC

    A question to the believers for today: If one god is real, doesn't that make it possible (perhaps even likely) that other gods are real? With the exception of origion myths, which are dmittedly mutually exclusive, wouldn't the existence of one supernatural being allow for the existance of more supernatural beings?

    September 12, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • William Demuth

      If God is omnipotent then the existence of an original God means we are logically all Gods ourselves.

      Perfection cannot beget imperfection.

      It's the old Captain Kirk "logic box"

      September 12, 2012 at 10:21 am |
    • Topher

      I don't think there are other gods. Just the God of the Bible. And especially if you are specifically talking about the gods of other known religions. They can't all exist because they contradict each other. Either one is real or none are real, but they can't all be.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:28 am |
    • William Demuth

      So Topher

      Did it ever occur to yuou that Mohammed may have been the profit for Satan?

      September 12, 2012 at 10:34 am |
    • Topher

      No, not really. I think he was a false prophet, but no I never thought he was the prophet for Satan. Why?

      Also, as an addendum to my earlier statement, I really don't think the "none are true" choice is a possibility.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:36 am |
    • William Demuth

      Well I see the political process and extrapolate it to the God level.

      Jeesus as Leftist, Mohammed as Rightest.

      All Gods seem to have a foil, and evil counterpart, a contender if you will.

      Perhaps prayers are just votes for the God you want in power.

      Thats why I don't pray OR vote.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:45 am |
    • Topher

      God has no evil counterpart.

      Also, it's not a matter of who/what I WANT to be in power. The question is who IS in power.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • Satan

      "God has no evil counterpart."

      Oh yes he does.....

      September 12, 2012 at 10:50 am |
    • Satan

      Topher you are going to hell!

      September 12, 2012 at 10:51 am |
    • Topher

      Read the last book.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:52 am |
    • William Demuth

      Topher

      SAY WHAT?

      Christ has no evil enemy? What church are you from? EVERY denomination has all sorts of antaganists in Christianity.

      Demons, Fallen angels, Devils, Gargoyles, Incubi, Sucubi.

      Literaly every sect I have EVER heard of in over half a century of studying them.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:53 am |
    • Topher

      William Demuth

      "Christ has no evil enemy? What church are you from? EVERY denomination has all sorts of antaganists in Christianity."

      Yes, Christ has enemies, but what I mean is that none of them are even on the same playing field. They aren't equal.

      "Demons, Fallen angels, Devils, Gargoyles, Incubi, Sucubi."

      Don't forget "people."

      September 12, 2012 at 10:58 am |
    • Satan

      "Yes, Christ has enemies, but what I mean is that none of them are even on the same playing field. They aren't equal."

      I am what creates fear in your heart so you will believe in your God – I am actually more powerful and better than him because fear sells. Plus so few of you make it to heaven anyways especially since only about 30% of people believe in your god. I make a killing with those odds – billions of souls for me! ~ Satan!

      September 12, 2012 at 11:05 am |
    • realbuckyball

      If a god is truly infinite, then that encompasses us, and we are actually a part of the god, not a creature, (or she is not really infinite). Of course she doesn't exist, so it's not a problem.

      I know today is not yesterday. That is a "tensed" fact. If god is omniscient, she would also know that today is not yesterday. Today vs yesterday is relative to MY experience. God cannot, if she is eternal, "know" a relative "tensed" fact. Therefore she is not omniscient.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:07 am |
    • William Demuth

      So Topher / Satan

      Do you believe in democracy?

      Should we vote? Jeebus or Satan?

      Would Jeebus accept the will of his people, or is he just another Middle Eastern dictator?

      September 12, 2012 at 11:09 am |
    • Topher

      The "will of the people" has zero to do with whether something is right or wrong.

      Also, please respect my beliefs and spell His name correctly.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:13 am |
    • Topher

      And I'd like to add that the "will of His people" (meaning Christians) should be whatever His will is. Not the other way around.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • ME II

      In a "world" of miracles and supernatural, how is it impossible for all gods to exist?

      September 12, 2012 at 11:19 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Topher,
      You need to study ABOUT the Bible, not just "do" Bible study. In fact, in the great compendium of Biblical Study, in 1952, William Foxwell Albright, including many conservative Baptist scholars wrote, "The Interpreters Bible" :
      In it they stated : "Religion appropriates ALREADY extant cultural norms, NOT the other way around. The ONLY reason the laws are in the Bible, is because humans, living in a culture with the norms, wrote them there". All the conservative scholars agreed with that, including YOUR Baptist scholars.

      http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-The-Old-Testament-Texts-Another-Look?highlight=Old+Testament

      September 12, 2012 at 11:27 am |
    • Doc Vestibule

      The God of Abraham never claims to be the one and only God.
      In fact, the First Commandment admits that there are others, but the judeo-christian God describes Itself as "jealous" and therefore demands to be the sole object of It's followers' woship.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:39 am |
    • BRC

      @Topher,
      How about the fact that in the Bible (OT at least), "God" never denies the existence of other gods. They are called false gods, and lesser gods, or even evil gods, and he bans his people from following and worshipping them, but "God" never says they don't exist. In fact, if they didn't exist, why would "God" go out of his way to discuss them. Worshipping nothing does nothing.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:40 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Doc,
      Every scholar knows that Yahweh had a wife, (Ashura, or Ashera), and that the Hebrews were polytheistic until around 550 BCE, when King Josiah, (a Yahwist), and 2nd Isaiah attempted to get the fighting priests and Yahwist land owners to stop fighting, by unifying the culture in Jerusalem, and insisted the other gods not be worshiped any longer. (Some have called it the "Persian Imperative", due to external historical influences..a long story). Josiah also, at this time cooked up Deuteronomy, (the High Priest said "oh look what I found" during temple renovations).

      SO yup, for as long as the Isra-EL-ites existed, they were polytheistic, except for the the years after they were "ordered" to stop worshiping the others they believed in.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:47 am |
    • Topher

      realbuckyball

      So these "Christians" don't think the Bible is God's word? That He didn't write the whole thing? When it comes down to it, I don't care what man THINKS about how the Bible was written ... the only thing that matters is what God says in it and about it. What laws are these men talking about? ... the priestly laws? the laws meant only for those people at that time? the 10 Commandments (The Law)?

      And no offense dude, but you leave a link to an atheist website and think I'm going to go there and trust anything it says?

      September 12, 2012 at 11:50 am |
    • Topher

      BRC

      What do you think it means when God said the others were false?

      September 12, 2012 at 11:53 am |
    • ME II

      Isn't it:
      "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

      September 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • William Demuth

      Well Topher if I have to spell your Demi God a certain way, you must spell the anti-demi God the proper way as well

      Whenever you refer to my Leige, please address him as Beelzebub- Leviathan- Belphegor- Lucifer– Mammon- Romney- Asmodeus- Satan- Netenyahu.

      Thank You for your support

      September 12, 2012 at 11:59 am |
    • realbuckyball

      Topher,
      I expect you to think for yourself. You expect ME to go to Christian sites, and trust them. I go there all the time. What are you afraid of ?

      September 12, 2012 at 12:00 pm |
    • realbuckyball

      God wrote nothing. Scholars know when humans wrote what. If a believing human writes what he believes, ...then says "I will read what I wrote to tell me the truth", obviously it's ONLY going to tell him what he already thinks he knows.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Topher

      Reading blasphemy, for one.

      The other, and I'm not saying you are guilty of this, but I read time and time again from atheists lies and heresies ... I'm just not sure if it is willful or not. There's plenty of ridiculousness on this board alone being spread around as fact about where the Bible comes from, when it was written, who wrote it .... so on and so forth. Atheists (for the most part, it seems) have no idea what the Bible says or its history and seem to only read from the atheist handbook about the Bible. I've been guilty of it in the past, too, though. When I was an atheist I'd seek out the Christians and tell them what idiots they were and how stupid and phony the Bible was ... but I never picked it up once and read it during that time.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:13 pm |
    • BRC

      @Topher,
      FALSE gods can easily indicate liars, tricksters, or gods that try to lead the isrealites away from YAHWEH. I theory Satan could be calle da false god. IF they weren't gods at all, then why would "God" (who's supposed to know everything) even call them gods?

      September 12, 2012 at 12:24 pm |
    • Primewonk

      Topher wrote, " Also, please respect my beliefs and spell His name correctly."

      And yet you fundiot nutters have no problem ignoring others beliefs or lack of beliefs. You cretins continue to try and force your particular brand of religious mythology into our secular laws and our public schools.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:34 pm |
    • Topher

      Copied from an answer I gave elsewhere on this page ... "This was asked by someone else, and since you've also asked, I'll answer you both here. Yes, God does say to have no other gods before Him. But that doesn't only mean other gods. A "god" can mean anything you put before Him. Say, for instance, you don't go to church on Sundays because you'd rather watch the 8-hour pre-game shows. Football is your god. Or maybe you don't read your Bible every day because you have only one free hour and you'd rather watch a game show. Television is your god.

      "There are plenty of verses that state the there is only one God. For instance, John 17:3 ... "And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." 1 Timothy 2:5 ... "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

      September 12, 2012 at 12:36 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Topher: 'God has no evil counterpart'

      This is biblically accurate, since, as the biblical god clearly states, he created evil.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:46 pm |
    • Chad

      @*facepalm* "This is biblically accurate, since, as the biblical god clearly states, he created evil."

      @Chad "it does?? where?

      September 12, 2012 at 12:49 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Don't you people ever read your own book? Isiah 45:7

      "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"

      September 12, 2012 at 12:52 pm |
    • Topher

      Depends on the evil.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:04 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      @Topher- biblical reference? Or are you just making things up again because it sounds better to you then what your god supposedly actually said

      September 12, 2012 at 1:10 pm |
    • Topher

      Not making anything up. Does God send tornadoes, hurricanes, droughts? Yes. He's in control of the weather. But does God force a pervert to do bad things to children? No. You can't blame God for the choices we make.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • Huh?

      "But does God force a pervert to do bad things to children? No. You can't blame God for the choices we make."

      So a child chooses to be raped by your poor logic and not only that your all knowing God still allows it to happen to the innocent child.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:22 pm |
    • Topher

      Huh?

      Whoa! What ridiculousness! Nowhere did I say, or even suggest, that a child chooses to be touched in any way.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:32 pm |
    • BRC

      @facepalm,
      Gotta give the Bible credit, it really can be used to support ANYTHING, including the fact that it is a horrible book and the "God" it describes is a murderous child. It's like a swiss army knife for conjecture.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:34 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      Fail – god killed innocent children. On purpose and on numerous occassions.

      Please actually read your book before making yourself look like a fool.

      And I agree that the bible can be used to justify anything, but you can only do so if ignoring the obvious, blatant, and glaring inconsistencies in the bible.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:45 pm |
    • Topher

      Yawn.

      September 12, 2012 at 1:54 pm |
    • *facepalm*

      So, @Topher, you clearly have no defense for your baby-murdering diety. About what I figured.

      Pathetic.

      September 12, 2012 at 2:01 pm |
    • actually...

      Kind of hard to believe anything Topher says.

      September 12, 2012 at 2:40 pm |
  12. William Demuth

    Hey

    Has anyone figured out where Heavensent wound up?

    Detox? Gulag? Psych Ward? Prison?

    September 12, 2012 at 9:53 am |
    • Timmy

      The Psych Ward of a prison?

      September 12, 2012 at 10:08 am |
    • Denise

      She's having some personal plumbing work done.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:10 am |
    • Primewonk

      Oh man! Did she pull the plastic Jesus off her dashboard and get it stuck inside her again? We keep telling her – "More lube HS, more lube". But does she listen? No.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:38 pm |
  13. AvdBerg

    For a better understanding of the purpose of this Blog we invite you to read the article ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’ listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 12, 2012 at 9:47 am |
    • Joe

      Avdberg is spamming again. Report abuse and CNN will eventually get rid of him.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:11 am |
    • mama kindless

      Revelation? Everyone knows some dude crashed his camel in a field of burning poppies or worse to come up with that garbage. My goodness.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:46 am |
    • ME II

      ... after which you might visit http://abloggerdeceived.org/ (no, not a real site)

      September 12, 2012 at 11:21 am |
    • TROLL ALERT

      This poster is a TROLL on this blog, they have been proven LIARS over and over again – and they are only here to sell their book to support their cult. Click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL!

      September 14, 2012 at 6:01 pm |
  14. The World Is Nuts

    HuffPo has a tweet that appears to condemn Christians for a supposed hate of other regions when the new is the day is about hateful and murderous Muslim protests caused by a disrespectful movie made by an Israeli American Jew?!

    Where we're all these people who are defending Muslim "outrage" and murder instead of the American ideal of free speech when American shows like Good Christian Bi***es (GCB), South Park, and Saturday Night Live, among others insult Christians and Jesus?! Talk about hypocrites!

    September 12, 2012 at 9:22 am |
    • William Demuth

      Jesus is just the gay older brother of the wife beating pedophile Muhammad.

      There, I have said it, and while I am at it, JEHOVAH.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:26 am |
    • The World Is Nuts

      At least you know that Christians aren't going to hold mass murderous protests over your "freedom of speech". At least you are an equal opportunity offender. The mainstream media? Not so much. They won't say a negative word about Islam or Mohammad, but they'll tear into Christians with all sorts of abuse.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:31 am |
    • Timmy

      South Park is one of the best shows on TV, and it makes fun of every religion by placing all of the religious figures in the Super Best Friends group, along with Santa.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:40 am |
    • The World Is Nuts

      Timmy, and I recall that Comedy Central refused to show Mohammad in that episode. South Park may be exercising "Equal opportunity offense", but I would argue that they are no better than Pastor Jones and Sam Bacile in their choice to ridicule and belittle the beliefs of others.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:57 am |
    • BRC

      @The World Is Nuts.
      Sometimes we all need a little ridicule. Beliefs and faith are very important to some people, and it may be good on occasion to give people a reminder that what to them is the unerrant and absolute truth, is to others a comically strange notion, and without evidence it can easily be regarded with skepticism. A little ridicule can help people remember that no matter how important someone's faith may be to them, they should not allow it to distort their view of the world around them, or think that everyone else must feel the same way. Simply put, ridicule can put us in our place, and everyone needs a dose of humility now and then.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:05 am |
    • Timmy

      They did dress him up in a bear costume and parade him all over town, however.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:24 am |
    • William Demuth

      BRC

      I remember the Bugs Bunny Anti Axis campaign during WW2

      We DEMONIZED our enemies in EVERY aspect of our communication.
      Our cultural "organizations" were focused like a laser on the different alien cultures and their evil nature
      We then slaughtered our enemies without either discussion or hesitation.

      Perhaps that is why WW2 was actually the last war we really won.

      If we really are at war with the Muslims, we will need the help of the Tele-tubies, Barney and the Power Rangers to encourage our children to wipe out a billion people

      September 12, 2012 at 10:31 am |
    • Erin

      William D: JEHOVAH JEHOVAH JEHOVAH (while wearing loincloth and jumping around madly)
      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkbqzWVHZI&w=640&h=390]

      September 12, 2012 at 11:30 am |
    • Jake-413451

      Respect (v): Admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

      The interpretation of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" demands they not 'respect' other religions at all.
      So yes, according to their own myths they must not give any respect to false gods, which according to their beliefs would encompass all other religions.

      If Huff Po wants to criticize Christians they should at least read their bible first. Logically they must disrespect other religions. Because they will do it every time they say there is only one word of god. only one way to heaven.

      However they are hardly alone in that respect. Jews and Muslims generally hold the same belief about their own religions too, that only they have the whole truth about god.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:02 pm |
    • Bob

      Jake, hardly anyone in the west hasn't had to read the bible, and many of us have better reading comprehension than you do. So think about that one. In addition, why does your god need a book to get his message out, a musty old one at that.

      Furthermore, why can't your god create his own internet presence, and get with the last decade at least? The answer, of course, is that your god rather obviously does not exist.

      September 12, 2012 at 2:21 pm |
  15. Toby

    May I ask what atheists think about exorcisms?

    September 12, 2012 at 8:48 am |
    • William Demuth

      I had a crush on Linda Blair back in the day, so I guess I am for them!

      September 12, 2012 at 8:50 am |
    • Toby

      Looked up her photo on google images and I must say that I’m glad I missed the 70s. That hairstyle that every woman seemed to have just looked horrible and the fashion back then was just hideous.

      September 12, 2012 at 8:54 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It's never actually said, but I think it's the true objective of electroconvulsive therapy. And tasering.

      September 12, 2012 at 8:55 am |
    • William Demuth

      The questions reminds me of a heated argument I had with a Jewish friend.

      The question was do crucifixes work on Jewish vampires?

      He felt that they did, but that was NOT an indication of the divinity of Jesus.

      He wasn't sure why the worked, but he felt if confronted with a vampire he would "try" one.

      SOOO, if I am confronted with a person possessed by a demon and don't have any syringes with an anti-psychotic handy, I might give one a chance

      September 12, 2012 at 9:11 am |
    • BRC

      @Toby,
      I believe that they have all either been staged, exagerated, or the effect of other mental/physical issues with the person being exercised. I have yet to see/here of any evidence that requires a supernatural explanation.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:46 am |
    • Toby

      @ William Demuth

      I would feel that they would work on Jewish vampires.

      I will admit that I do not have any research or eye-witness accounts.

      Come to think of it I do know of two eye-witnesses but they’re shady at best.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:39 am |
    • Toby

      @ BRC
      What do you mean by exaggerated?

      September 12, 2012 at 10:42 am |
    • BRC

      AS in, first hand witnesses exaggerating what they saw and experienced. The satan fish getting bigger each time the story is told as it were.

      September 12, 2012 at 11:37 am |
    • therealpeace2all

      @Toby

      What do 'you' think about exorcisms ?

      Peace...

      September 12, 2012 at 11:56 am |
    • Toby

      I’m a religious person and can believe in them but I’m not looking to convert anyone. I’d admit that some probably are hoaxes or mental issues.

      September 12, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  16. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    CNN needs to go into what Judith Butler is actually about. This is an excerpt from a piece published by her Aug 27, 2012:

    In the United States, I have been alarmed by the number of Jews who, dismayed by Israeli politics, including the occupation, the practices of indefinite detention, the bombing of civilian populations in Gaza, seek to disavow their Jewishness. They make the mistake of thinking that the State of Israel represents Jewishness for our times, and that if one identifies as a Jew, one supports Israel and its actions. And yet, there have always been Jewish traditions that oppose state violence, that affirm multi-cultural co-habitation, and defend principles of equality, and this vital ethical tradition is forgotten or sidelined when any of us accept Israel as the basis of Jewish identification or values. So, on the one hand, Jews who are critical of Israel think perhaps they cannot be Jewish anymore of Israel represents Jewishness; and on the other hand, those who seek to vanquish anyone who criticizes Israel equate Jewishness with Israel as well, leading to the conclusion that the critic must be anti-Semitic or, if Jewish, self-hating. My scholarly and public efforts have been directed toward getting out of this bind. In my view, there are strong Jewish traditions, even early Zionist traditions, that value co-habitation and that offer ways to oppose violence of all kinds, including state violence. It is most important that these traditions be valued and animated for our time – they represent diasporic values, struggles for social justice, and the exceedingly important Jewish value of “repairing the world”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/judith-butler-responds-to-attack-i-affirm-a-judaism-that-is-not-associated-with-state-violence.html

    September 12, 2012 at 8:32 am |
  17. Robert Brown

    To all my skeptical acquaintances on the belief blog,
    No one can convince you by debate or provide physical evidence except God himself. When the gospel is presented, even if you reject it before you hear or read it, at some point God will reveal himself to you by his holy spirit, the realization supernaturally occurs in your heart and mind, and it suddenly dawns on you, HE IS REAL.

    September 12, 2012 at 8:27 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I read one of Francis Collins' books. His conversion was along the lines of what you are describing. He went for a walk in the woods and returned with a completely transformed view of himself and God. He became Christian. Since it's hard to point to what, exactly, changed and why, it's hard for most of us to accept such things as evidence of any truth.

      September 12, 2012 at 8:39 am |
    • Robert Brown

      “…it's hard for most of us to accept such things as evidence of any truth.”
      Tom,
      That is part of what I was trying to convey, God does the work, it will be like the idea dialogue box, it will occur to you. Now whether you accept what he reveals to you, is arguably, up to you, but could you really deny it?

      September 12, 2012 at 9:01 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      I would not reject a direct encounter with God. If there is a God that engages people in that way it probably knows where to find me. In fact, I invite it to do so.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:07 am |
    • mama kindless

      Oooo – HE IS REAL – and capital letters made it so. I don't need any spam from thousands of years ago – we have enough of that today. God will reveal himself my ass. Mental weaknesses on the other hand are pretty good being right at home in the mind – regardless of a person's IQ.

      September 12, 2012 at 9:15 am |
    • Robert Brown

      Tom,
      Yes, that is how I believe God operates. I also believe, if you are sincere in your invitation, you will have the opportunity and I hope it is soon.

      Mama,
      I meant to bold those caps too. I was just trying to emphasize how sudden and overwhelming the realization will be if you are ever so blessed. He can do it and I hope he does, regardless of your vehement denial, mental state, or IQ.

      September 12, 2012 at 10:01 am |
    • What IF

      Tom, Tom,

      I've read a few stories about people who have found "God" while on a walk in the woods. I wonder if there are trapped hallucinogenic outgassings there from decaying organic matter (mushrooms) or something?!

      September 12, 2012 at 1:29 pm |
    • niknak

      Why, because you say so?
      F you and your god.

      September 12, 2012 at 3:01 pm |
  18. Atheism is Great for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

    It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.

    Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Sometimes, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society).

    So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.

    mama kindless

    September 12, 2012 at 8:25 am |

Post a comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.

Advertisement
About this blog

The CNN Belief Blog covers the faith angles of the day's biggest stories, from breaking news to politics to entertainment, fostering a global conversation about the role of religion and belief in readers' lives. It's edited by CNN's Daniel Burke with contributions from Eric Marrapodi and CNN's worldwide news gathering team.