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September 13th, 2012
11:31 PM ET

Coptic Church condemns anti-Islam film

CNN's Brian Todd reports on a link between the anti-Islam film and the Coptic Church. The church condemns the movie.

- A. Hawkins

Filed under: Coptic Church

soundoff (44 Responses)
  1. ma & pa

    common cents at 10:49am and 10:57am has shown true explanation.

    September 14, 2012 at 11:50 pm |
  2. Iqbal Khan

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv_XSTI2lqM&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 10:04 pm |
  3. CrimsonCrusader1776

    Christians, Jews, Hindus, Bhuddists UNITE!!

    It is time to rid the world of Islam and its followers. Wipe them all off the face of the earth and purge the earth of everything ever associated with them.

    O that the world could understand that this is a war. A war they wage against everyone who does not believe what they believe. Against everyone who does not convert to their way.

    It is now time to stop trying to coddle them along in hopes that they will "live in peace" with us. It is clear that they will not stop until the whole world has converted to Islam.

    If you don't believe me, listen and read the words of their own leaders, imams, and Quran. They want total and complete domination of the world.

    If it is a holy war they want, it is a holy war they will get, and a holy war they will lose.

    Death to Islam! Death to Allah!

    September 14, 2012 at 5:19 pm |
  4. Atheism is Great for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

    It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago**; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.

    Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Sometimes, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). Sometimes, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!

    Religions are just big old evil clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division along the way (disguised as love).

    So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.

    ** (yes, charlatan spam started long before the Bible; what would make your think it hadn't?)

    mama kindless

    September 14, 2012 at 4:38 pm |
  5. Atheism is Great for Kids and Grown-Ups Too!

    It's really best for all people including children to have an agnostic approach to god, and an atheistic approach to all religion. It keeps things simple for kids, and let's them be all that they can be. They just need to be taught that some things, like all religion, were just made up by salesmen and politicians from long ago**; and that other things, like god, we really don't know a damn thing about.

    Atheists have strong minds and don't need a religion. Sometimes, religious folk run and hide their misdeeds within their religion (and by doing so, they disserve society). Sometimes, religious folk are easily offended when someone mocks their make-believe characters – and, as we can see they can get really CRAZY!

    Religions are just big old evil clubs – each trying to out do each other and inspiring hate and division along the way (disguised as love).

    So instead of praying to make-believe people, get a good cup of tea and go on and sit down and collect your damn thoughts. My goodness.

    ** (yes, charlatan spam started long before the Bible; what would make your think it hadn't?)

    mama kindless

    September 14, 2012 at 12:17 pm |
  6. callywag

    Well of course the Coptic's condemn the movie...they live in Egypt and don't want to be killed. That doesn't mean anything. I think that Islam is using this "movie" as an excuse to be violent...something they've wanted to do for a long time. Have you looked at the pictures? These are young men protesting...the generation that Bush made. Yay.

    September 14, 2012 at 9:20 am |
    • VanHagar

      No fan of Bush here either, but this is really the generation that Islam made.

      September 14, 2012 at 11:20 am |
  7. AvdBerg

    The latest outrage by Muslims has nothing to do with a small film but rather the unrest and attacks on US Embassies is a culmination of the rising tensions and deep-rooted hatred amongst civilizations in a divided world (Matthew 12:25,26). For a better understanding of the history of Islam and the Middle East we invite you to read the articles ‘World History and Developments in the Middle East’, ‘Clash of Civilizations’ and ‘CNN Belief Blog – Sign of the Times’, listed on our website http://www.aworlddeceived.ca

    All of the other pages and articles listed on our website explain how and by whom this whole world has been deceived as confirmed in Revelation 12:9.

    September 14, 2012 at 8:31 am |
    • mama kindless

      Revelation?? Everyone knows whoever wrote that mess was high as a kite. St. John the Opium Addict I think it was.

      September 14, 2012 at 10:15 am |
    • common cents

      @mamma kinless read Revelation 12:13 that person whom you called high, just wrote of the persecution of the woman who brought forth the man-child ..that child is Jesus and that woman is Israel ... and we have history to back it up from the Abomination Of Desolation of the Temple in Jerusalem to this present moment!!!!! :) :) :)

      September 14, 2012 at 10:49 am |
    • common cents

      Also AvdBerg Jesus sowed the good seed in the parable of the tares and Satan sowed the tares in that parable written in Matthew 13 bout the 36th to 43rd verse... :)
      This verse and it's explanations needs to be presented to the whole world out in the open so every one can see it...then will the Muslims really have a conniption .... :) :) :)

      September 14, 2012 at 10:57 am |
    • save the world and slap some sense into a christard today!

      Nothing like good old circular validation from Xtians. (common cents)

      September 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm |
    • TROLL ALERT

      This poster is a TROLL on this blog, they are proven LIARS and they are only here to sell their book to support their cult. Click the report abuse link to get rid of this TROLL!

      September 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm |
  8. PAUL

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmigBOhYTns&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 5:54 am |
  9. Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things

    Prayer changes things

    September 14, 2012 at 5:05 am |
    • hal 9000

      I'm sorry "Atheism is not healthy for children and other living things", but you assertions regarding atheism and prayer are unfounded. I see that you repeat these unfounded statements with high frequency. Perhaps the following book might help you overcome this problem:

      I'm Told I Have Dementia: What You Can Do... Who You Can Turn to...
      by the Alzheimer's Disease Society

      September 14, 2012 at 10:16 am |
    • Jesus

      Prayer does not; you are such a LIAR. You have NO proof it changes anything! A great example of prayer proven not to work is the Christians in jail because prayer didn't work and their children died. For example: Susan Grady, who relied on prayer to heal her son. Nine-year-old Aaron Grady died and Susan Grady was arrested.

      An article in the Journal of Pediatrics examined the deaths of 172 children from families who relied upon faith healing from 1975 to 1995. They concluded that four out of five ill children, who died under the care of faith healers or being left to prayer only, would most likely have survived if they had received medical care.

      The statistical studies from the nineteenth century and the three CCU studies on prayer are quite consistent with the fact that humanity is wasting a huge amount of time on a procedure that simply doesn’t work. Nonetheless, faith in prayer is so pervasive and deeply rooted, you can be sure believers will continue to devise future studies in a desperate effort to confirm their beliefs!

      September 14, 2012 at 5:42 pm |
  10. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu7AQTs_y5A&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 1:46 am |
  11. Tom, Tom, the Other One

    Clearly the movie was a initiated by anti-Christian provocateurs.

    Quran 3:54
    And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.

    September 14, 2012 at 1:13 am |
    • I wonder

      Tom, Tom,

      Do you mean a cinematographic Poe?!

      September 14, 2012 at 1:18 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      The movie was not art. It's objective was probably to bring about the predictable reaction in the Muslim world.

      September 14, 2012 at 1:26 am |
    • ScottCA

      It is not your place to decide what is art or not. If a person created it, then it was a creative endeavor and thus art.
      But more important is that this was clearly an act of parody and free speech. Parody is an invaluable tool for logic. Parody challenges us to reexamine our deepest held beliefs and those we often fail to consider because we have held them for so long. Parody and free speech must always be protected and maintained for democracy and free society to work.

      September 14, 2012 at 1:51 am |
    • Tom, Tom, the Other One

      It's my place to decide and express whatever I want, ScottCA. That's free speech. I'm not suggesting that movies like this should be suppressed in any way, but I think it's important to recognize this one for what it is.

      September 14, 2012 at 9:01 am |
  12. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJCFRYXUSbg&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 1:04 am |
  13. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TApvveQk1wM&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 12:47 am |
    • b4bigbang

      [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNkpgbygROg&w=640&h=390]

      September 14, 2012 at 1:17 am |
    • ScottCA

      b4bigbang, why did you post this video of a lunatic screaming at the camera about a dead man? There is no evidence of any god. You are only displaying your insane belief in imaginative fantasies. You need therapy.

      September 14, 2012 at 1:48 am |
  14. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E1u9lQeAsY&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 12:46 am |
  15. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RnhufDPbuM&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 12:46 am |
  16. Reality

    AND THE INFAMOUS ANGELIC CONS CONTINUE TO WREAK STUPIDITY UPON THE WORLD (but they give fodder for movies)

    Joe Smith had his Moroni. (As does M. Romney)

    "Latter-day Saints like M. Romney also believe that Michael the Archangel was Adam (the first man) when he was mortal, and Gabriel lived on the earth as Noah."

    Jehovah Witnesses have their Jesus /Michael the archangel, the first angelic being created by God;

    Mohammed had his Gabriel (this "tin-kerbell" got around).

    Jesus and his family had/has Michael, Gabriel, and Satan, the latter being a modern day demon of the demented. (As does BO and his family)(As does Biden and Ryan)

    The Abraham-Moses myths had their Angel of Death and other "no-namers" to do their dirty work or other assorted duties.

    Contemporary biblical and religious scholars have relegated these "pretty wingie/horn-blowing thingies" to the myth pile. We should do the same to include deleting all references to them in our religious operating manuals. Doing this will eliminate the prophet/profit/prophecy status of these founders and put them where they belong as simple humans just like the rest of us.
    Some added references to "tink-erbells".

    newadvent.org/cathen/07049c.htm

    "The belief in guardian angels can be traced throughout all antiquity; pagans, like Menander and Plutarch (cf. Euseb., "Praep. Evang.", xii), and Neo-Platonists, like Plotinus, held it. It was also the belief of the Babylonians and As-syrians, as their monuments testify, for a figure of a guardian angel now in the British Museum once decorated an As-syrian palace, and might well serve for a modern representation; while Nabopolassar, father of Nebuchadnezzar the Great, says: "He (Marduk) sent a tutelary deity (cherub) of grace to go at my side; in everything that I did, he made my work to succeed."
    Catholic monks and Dark Age theologians also did their share of hallu-cinating:

    "TUBUAS-A member of the group of angels who were removed from the ranks of officially recognized celestial hierarchy in 745 by a council in Rome under Pope Zachary. He was joined by Uriel, Adimus, Sabaoth, Simiel, and Raguel."

    And tin-ker- bells go way, way back:

    "In Zoroastrianism there are different angel like creatures. For example each person has a guardian angel called Fravashi. They patronize human being and other creatures and also manifest god’s energy. Also, the Amesha Spentas have often been regarded as angels, but they don't convey messages, but are rather emanations of Ahura Mazda ("Wise Lord", God); they appear in an abstract fashion in the religious thought of Zarathustra and then later (during the Achaemenid period of Zoroastrianism) became personalized, associated with an aspect of the divine creation (fire, plants, water...)."

    "The beginnings of the biblical belief in angels must be sought in very early folklore. The gods of the Hitti-tes and Canaanites had their supernatural messengers, and parallels to the Old Testament stories of angels are found in Near Eastern literature. "

    "The 'Magic Papyri' contain many spells to secure just such help and protection of angels. From magic traditions arose the concept of the guardian angel. "

    For added information see the review at:

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel

    September 14, 2012 at 12:38 am |
  17. ScottCA

    Parody is an important logical tool. It enables us to be challenged regarding our deepest held beliefs. This helps us rethink those things we have stopped questioning. Parody must not be hindered.

    September 14, 2012 at 12:34 am |
  18. ScottCA

    [youtube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfKLV6rmLxE&w=640&h=390]

    September 14, 2012 at 12:33 am |
  19. Alpa Chino

    This just in: no one gives a rat's ass.

    September 14, 2012 at 12:20 am |
  20. Reality

    Condemning the Coptic Church and all other Christian churches for the infamous resurrection con:

    From that famous passage: In 1 Corinthians 15 St. Paul reasoned, "If Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith."

    Even now Catholic/Christian professors of theology are questioning the bodily resurrection of the simple, preacher man aka Jesus.

    To wit;

    From a major Catholic university's theology professor’s grad school white-board notes:

    "Heaven is a Spirit state or spiritual reality of union with God in love, without earthly – earth bound distractions.
    Jesus and Mary's bodies are therefore not in Heaven.

    Most believe that it to mean that the personal spiritual self that survives death is in continuity with the self we were while living on earth as an embodied person.

    Again, the physical Resurrection (meaning a resuscitated corpse returning to life), Ascension (of Jesus' crucified corpse), and Assumption (Mary's corpse) into heaven did not take place.

    The Ascension symbolizes the end of Jesus' earthly ministry and the beginning of the Church.

    Only Luke records it. (Luke mentions it in his gospel and Acts, i.e. a single attestation and therefore historically untenable). The Ascension ties Jesus' mission to Pentecost and missionary activity of Jesus' followers.

    The Assumption has multiple layers of symbolism, some are related to Mary's special role as "Christ bearer" (theotokos). It does not seem fitting that Mary, the body of Jesus' Virgin-Mother (another biblically based symbol found in Luke 1) would be derived by worms upon her death. Mary's assumption also shows God's positive regard, not only for Christ's male body, but also for female bodies." "

    "In three controversial Wednesday Audiences, Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places, as commonly perceived and represented in human language. This language of place is, according to the Pope, inadequate to describe the realities involved, since it is tied to the temporal order in which this world and we exist. In this he is applying the philosophical categories used by the Church in her theology and saying what St. Thomas Aquinas said long before him."

    http://eternal-word.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2HEAVN.HTM

    The Vatican quickly embellished this story with a lot CYAP.

    With respect to rising from the dead, we also have this account:

    An added note: As per R.B. Stewart in his introduction to the recent book, The Resurrection of Jesus, Crossan and Wright in Dialogue,

    p.4

    "Reimarus (1774-1778) posits that Jesus became sidetracked by embracing a political position, sought to force God's hand and that he died alone deserted by his disciples. What began as a call for repentance ended up as a misguided attempt to usher in the earthly political kingdom of God. After Jesus' failure and death, his disciples stole his body and declared his resurrection in order to maintain their financial security and ensure themselves some standing."

    p.168. by Ted Peters:

    Even so, asking historical questions is our responsibility. Did Jesus really rise from the tomb? Is it necessary to have been raised from the tomb and to appear to his disciples in order to explain the rise of early church and the transcription of the bible? Crossan answers no, Wright answers, yes. "

    So where are the bones"? As per Professor Crossan's analyses in his many books, the body of Jesus would have ended up in the mass graves of the crucified, eaten by wild dogs, covered with lime in a shallow grave, or under a pile of stones.

    September 13, 2012 at 11:49 pm |
    • ....

      BULL SH IT ALERT

      September 14, 2012 at 8:03 am |
    • Wrenn_NYC

      Learn something about the history of the early church.

      That line is in Paul because there were people preaching that Jesus wasn't physical at all, but only spiritual. Paul was preaching out against this.

      Read Tertullian's writings on this subject.

      Interestingly, the Jehovah's Witnesses of today believe that Jesus' ressurection was purely spirtual in nature.

      September 14, 2012 at 11:16 am |
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